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lpotterpngo_: Settings->Cellular->Carrier->APN->00:19
pngo_lpotter: I can not find APN option00:24
pngo_I read this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/413438/no-mobile-data-on-nexus-4-ubuntu-touch00:31
pngo_but I'm not sure how to change options00:31
strigoi818303Hello room, anyone here worked with the droid incredible 2?00:38
hardtaildoes anyone know how to install ubuntu on an asus transformerbook t100?00:42
pngo_my cellular data has stopped working. can someone tell me what is device name ex: wlan0 to activate it.00:45
pngo_I would like to back up my txt messages.03:40
AzhHey   y'all04:14
PuneetHi06:23
PuneetI have some issues with my Ubuntu 14.0406:23
PuneetRecently I bought new HP laptop with Ubuntu 12.04 as default OS06:24
Puneetand upgraded it to 14.04 but post upgrade, I am facing some issues06:24
Puneetlike touchpad stopped working06:25
Puneetcan someone guide me how to fix this?06:25
PuneetI goggled and try to fix it but could not find the solution06:25
tbrthat's a general #ubuntu thing though06:28
PuneetCan someone guide me to resolve this issue?06:36
tbrgo to the #ubuntu channel. this channel is about phones.06:37
dholbachgood morning07:27
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JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Animation Day! :-D09:40
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asacpitti: can you confirm that our retracers for rtm distro use the right symbol in general nowadays?11:40
asacogra was wonderingf if thats the case11:40
asacogra_: so i dont have a crash of unity at all  in /var/crash that is newer than oct 2411:41
ogra_asac, as long as we dont have errors.u.c for rtm having thr retracers doesnt help much ... we also need to get the info somehoe11:41
* asac removes all files11:41
asacogra_: we have afaik11:41
asacbdmurray: ^^11:41
ogra_i do have a crash right after reboot usually11:41
asacogra_: do you have a oops id?11:42
ogra_unity8, mediascanner-service-2.0, ubuntu-app-launch_desktop-hook11:42
pittiasac: unsure, I don't run errors.u.c., that's bdmurray's territory; Brian? ^11:42
ogra_these three are crashing rather reliable here11:42
asacpitti: right, but the retracing machinary is supposed to do its job, right?11:43
ogra_ubuntu-app-launch is a recoverable error though ..11:43
asacogra_: do you have oops for your crashes?11:43
ogra_i have a .crash file11:43
pittiasac: yes, it should; the pieces (ddebs, apt sources, logic etc.) are all there11:43
asacogra_: can you paste /var/log/upstart/whoopsie.log ?11:44
asacso right after reboot i get https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/b1bc3df0-5e97-11e4-abd6-fa163e37368311:45
ogra_http://paste.ubuntu.com/8718395/11:45
ogra_asac, yeah, thats a recoverable error11:46
asacogra_: https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/3f6b473c-5e83-11e4-a8bb-fa163e37368311:46
ogra_ignore that ... doesnt do harm (apart from producing noise ... cwayne is aware of it)11:46
asacogra_: https://errors.ubuntu.com/bucket/?id=/usr/bin/unity8%3A6%3A__assert_fail_base%3A__GI___assert_fail%3A__GI___pthread_mutex_lock%3A__gthread_mutex_lock%3Astd%3A%3Amutex%3A%3Alock11:46
asacthats the crash you see11:47
asaclooks reasonably ok from retracing pov11:47
asacplaybackstatus11:47
asacstarted on oct 1011:48
asacpitti: any hope that https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/47162672-5e98-11e4-a34f-fa163e22e467 might get retraced etc.?11:53
asacor is that fail?11:53
pittiasac: I don't know what's wrong; I can't look in the errors.u.c. logs11:54
pittibut it was reported just now, and I think bdmurray said that the retracers have quite some backlog11:55
ogra_asac, that only has 9 failures in rtm ...11:55
ogra_(see the "derivatives" column in the table)11:55
ogra_the actual thing must be way higher11:56
asacpitti: kk. guess showing retracing status would help figuring if this is going to get better11:59
ogra_we're looking for a unity8 crash with at least two, if not three digit occurence in rtm11:59
asacogra_: well, might be there are various variants11:59
asacthis one surely is real and made my phone screen go black11:59
asachehe11:59
ogra_sure, youre might just be a side effect11:59
asacmight be we get various random ones, instead of just one big one12:00
ogra_but many people see it often ... the occurence must be really high12:00
ogra_smoke tests also see constant ones during unity8 tests12:00
asacreally?12:01
asacthen lets go for those12:01
asacno question asked12:01
asacfix those and world will be at least more stable :P12:01
ogra_scoperunner and unity8 itself12:02
sergiusensasac: ogra_ try this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-scope-scopes/+bug/138665312:02
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1361221 in unity-scopes-shell (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1386653 Manage Dash does not notice when the phone comes online" [Undecided,In progress]12:02
ogra_and media-hub-server at times12:02
sergiusensogra_: I know you complained about it at least ;-)12:02
ogra_sergiusens, nice one12:03
asacsil2100: ogra_: can we file a bug about the unity8 automation crashers?12:03
ogra_sergiusens, we are researching unity8 restarts atm though ...12:03
asacmaybe there is something in that?12:03
ogra_asac, yes12:03
asacyou got it already?12:03
ogra_asac, i talked to Saviq about it during the sprint ...12:03
sergiusensogra_: yeah, I can't triage the bug but should go into the list12:04
asacdo we have a bug?12:04
ogra_and he was saying he had some ideas but no solution yet12:04
ogra_no, no bug filed yet12:04
asaci am sure this will become a big prio12:04
asacogra_: sil2100: can you file one so we can track this?12:04
asacthanks12:04
asacjust post a bug about super crashy RTM phone and point to the automation crashes we see12:04
sil2100asac: we have one bug for overall smoketesting automation failures, but I guess one separate for this issue might be good12:11
ogra_so going bachwards through the images i see unity8 crashes in about every second image ... also media-hub ... what i see *constantly* though is unity-scopes_scoperunner12:11
ogra_(during the uniry8 tests that is)12:12
ogra_so we shoulld perhaps rather forcus on scoperunner since unity8 and media-hub might just be fallout12:12
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JStalinhi, why I cannot add a contact from recent calls list12:24
JStalinclicking on a number instantly starts dial12:24
tbrJStalin: tap and hold12:26
popeyJStalin: i see two ways to do that12:26
popeyJStalin: swipe up recent, swipe number left and tap "add contact"12:27
popeyJStalin: or, swipe up recent, tap number, tap "add contact"12:27
JStalinwhen i tap and hold it switches to select mode, when the only thing i can do is remove items from the list12:28
JStalinbut swipe left12:29
tbrfor me that opens a context menu12:29
JStalinamazing12:29
JStalin:P12:29
JStalinit works12:29
JStalinthanks12:29
JStalini don't know how i couldn't noticed it12:29
JStalinthank you, poor battery life on nexus5 though12:30
popeyhow poor?12:30
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JStalinwell, i suppose it was fully powered up in the morning or almost fully, although it was powered only by usb connected to computer12:40
JStalinand now, after 8 hours its almost dead12:40
JStalinand i didn't do much, just used some wifi at work, answered few calls12:40
ogra_well, in the recent rtm images there were a good bunch of power related fixes12:40
ogra_but no idea how much of that was actually driver related for the supported devices and how much was generic12:41
ogra_(you would indeed only benefit from the generic fixes on N5)12:41
JStalinafaik it should update automatically, right?12:41
ogra_if you are on the rtm-proposed channel you would have gotten tzhem with one of the latest images12:42
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pngo_I got new sim card and cellular data stopped working since than. How can I fix it?12:54
jgdxpngo_, what device are you using? What build of ut?12:58
pngo_nexus 4. ubuntu 14.10(r243)12:59
zhsjhi, anyone uses Meizu MX3? is there any available img to flash?13:00
pngo_jgdx: nexus4, ubuntu 14.10 (r243)13:00
ogra_pngo_, thats dead beef ...13:00
ogra_you should really use ubuntu-rtm instead13:00
pngo_ogra_: can I get a link?13:01
ogra_just use the rtm or rtm-proposed channel with ubuntu-device-flash13:01
pngo_ok thank you13:02
ogra_the --list-channels option should show all rtm channels and the right syntax to use13:02
jgdxpngo_, and while you're at it, install ofono-scripts13:02
jgdxpngo_, if the upgrade doesn't fix it, the output from list-modems is very helpful (remember to redact any personal information)13:03
ogra_also refrain from using versioned channels (14.09 in case of rtm or 14.10 or utopic or vivid ... ) better use devel or devel-proposed ... these are aliases and get moved to the next release automatically ... while all versioned ones (or the ones with release names) stop being updated at some point13:03
ogra_jgdx, ofono-scripts is preinstalled ;)13:05
jdstrandbarry: hello again. trying to use 'sudo system-image-cli -b 0 -c ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09-proposed -vvv' on a device to change channels from promoted to proposed, but it is just hanging: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8719192/13:05
jdstrandbarry: (mako)13:06
jdstrandE1028 07:35:23.824100 25217 apparmor.cpp:112]  org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Disconnected:Not connected to D-Bus server13:06
jdstrandthat came up a couple of times13:06
jdstrandso did: W1028 07:35:23.826511 25217 manager.cpp:140]  bc951ef547fc49faa52fe0ba891aaca8could not be stored in the db13:06
* ogra_ blames dbus-cpp :) 13:06
ogra_our constant blame target recently13:07
jgdxogra_, k, thanks13:07
jgdx:)13:07
jdstrandbarry: ah, it finally timed out: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8719334/13:20
barryjdstrand: that assertion error *should* be fixed by the udm fix that's in flight13:38
jdstrandbarry: so, I need to install that silo to change channels?13:39
jgdxseb128, titles that are the text properties of some listelements, shoulnd't they also benefit from the new title element you created (in uss)?13:40
barryjdstrand: doesn't look like udm is in a silo yet13:40
seb128jgdx, do you have an example?13:41
jdstrandhmm13:41
filmee24hi, ive installed ubuntu on my wetab tablet, but i would upgrade to ubuntu touch, how can i install it?13:41
jdstrandI guess I'll just need to test my stuff in the emulator13:41
jdstrandbarry: thanks13:41
* jdstrand wonders if the emulator fix for rtm landed yet13:41
jdstrandbarry: thanks13:42
barryjdstrand: yeah.  i'll keep watching it13:42
jgdxseb128, time and date -> set time and date13:43
jgdxhuuuge problem for my guerilla testers13:44
filmee24i would install ubuntu touch on ubuntu tablet13:44
popeyfilmee24: i dont think we have a build for the wetab13:44
popeyfilmee24: but that's an x86 tablet?13:44
filmee24yes13:44
seb128jgdx, that's an ItemSelector13:44
seb128jgdx, but I changed that one in my mps13:45
seb128jgdx, but using a Title followed by a selector without text:13:45
popeyfilmee24: then perhaps you can apt-get install some of the necessary bits from the repo, but no guarantees it'll work. We don't test on x86 tablets yet13:45
popeyfilmee24: what GPU is it?13:45
seb128jgdx, which is a workaround but does the correct result13:45
jgdxseb128, oh right, excellent. I saw a bunch of those not changed in cellular, so I figured you left them alone.13:45
jgdxseb128, can I propose a branch against yours fixing those?13:45
filmee24idk, ubuntu works on it13:46
seb128jgdx, sure, please do13:46
popeyfilmee24: intel atom cpu?13:46
seb128jgdx, I put up mine to have a deb to test, I was expecting it to miss some cases, I want to give it a round of testing still before proposing for merging13:46
alexabreupitti, hey, quick question about language packs ... the name of the .po file corresponding to a project contained in a given lang LC_MESSAGES (thinking oxide for instance), is picked up from the name of the imported .pot file in the project right?13:46
filmee24i think intel13:46
jgdxseb128, makes sense.13:47
popeyfilmee24: you could certainly try unity8 on it...13:47
pittialexabreu: that confuses several unrelated things13:48
alexabreupitti, I thought it would :)13:48
pittialexabreu: the .pot file should have the exact same name as the project's translation domain13:48
alexabreupitti, right ...13:49
pittialexabreu: that's not a strict requirement (the build system might spit out different .mo file names during build), but it avoids confusion13:49
pittialexabreu: the .po file names are named ll.po or ll_CC.po, i. e. a locale name or just a language code13:50
alexabreupitti, yup ...13:50
pittialexabreu: and finally, LC_MESSAGES always specifies a complete locale name (like en_US.UTF_8)13:50
filmee24im installing unity8 now13:52
pittialexabreu: finally at runtie, gettext looks up /usr/share/locale/<LC_MESSAGES prefix>/LC_MESSAGES/<domain>.mo13:52
alexabreupitti, my question was not entirely clear hence the confusion I guess ... what I mean is that in the current lang packs the oxide mo file has the wrong name, I have the branches that fixes it and wanted to make sure where the name of the ./mo file in the final langpack was coming from13:53
alexabreupitti, you answered my question ..13:53
pittialexabreu: ok, good :)13:53
alexabreupitti, the domain for oxide should be oxide-qt and afaik it is now oxide ... https://code.launchpad.net/~abreu-alexandre/oxide/fix-pt-BR-po-msgid/+merge/23975513:54
filmee24i did install unity8, so what should i do now to use it?13:54
filmee24?13:57
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jgdxseb128, ListItem.Header / the new element. When to use what?14:00
seb128jgdx, I'm unsure, I don't understand the distinction, I guess "ping mpt to know"14:04
seb128jgdx, I went for "use the title element when there is a ':' at the end of the label" mostly14:04
mptExcept that I answer questions but never pings ;-)14:04
jgdxseb128, good rule14:05
jgdxmpt, good rule14:05
seb128:-)14:05
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* mpt compares <https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/security-allow-acceptance-of-here-terms-fixes-1375322/+merge/238419> vs. <https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/ubuntu-system-settings/location-three-options/+merge/239274>14:13
mptkemmko, ^ this is wasting a bit of time … We should have a single design and a single implementation of that block, I think (though the bits around them are different in setup vs. System Settings)14:15
mptkemmko, this is similar to how the list of Wi-Fi networks appears both in setup and in System Settings14:16
jgdxmpt, we implemented "radio buttons" in USS as per the spec. https://launchpadlibrarian.net/187010904/location.phone.png14:17
jgdxmpt, this means HERE without location detection would make no sense. Looks like you could choose that scenario in the wizard design.14:17
mptjgdx, in the setup they look like checkboxes but mterry made them behave like radio buttons14:18
mptI’m just wiping my phone so I can see the results :-)14:18
mterrympt, that was per the design I was given, don't blame me  :)14:18
jgdxmpt, to get to the wizard quicly do $ phablet-config welcome-wizard --enable14:18
popeymterry: you dont need to wipe - just "phablet-config welcome-wi....14:18
mterrympt, you don't have to wipe your phone to see the wizard14:18
popeysee^ ☻14:18
jgdx:p14:19
popeyalso, sorry mterry ☻14:19
mptmterry, I said I reported the bug on the toolkit, you know I’m not blaming you ;-)14:19
mterrympt, I know  :)14:19
mptkemmko and I are going to nag gventuri until he agrees14:19
jgdxjust make the ubuntu shape rounder14:20
mptThat is a drawback of rounded checkboxes, yes … They look needlessly similar to radio buttons14:21
jgdxmpt, why can't both designs use a boolean plus a checkbox? Boolean for location detection, then a sensistive/insensitive checkbox for HERE?14:22
jgdxs/boolean/switch14:23
mptjgdx, that was my initial design. But even if we managed to avoid it here, there are other cases where radio selection makes much more sense.14:24
jgdxmpt, as in only one click to enable both loc. det. and HERE?14:25
jgdxyes, radio is a good, conventional design pattern14:25
dobeyit would be nice if the setting actually stuck after reboot, and the indicator didn't disappear when turning the buttons off in the indicator (because it looks like it just crashed)14:28
dobeythen again, i wonder why the location stuff isn't in the radios indicator14:28
mptdobey, what’s the “radios indicator”?14:30
jgdxdobey, former is by design14:30
jgdxor was at least..14:31
mptjgdx, eh? All settings should persist after restart14:31
dobeympt: network indicator. and confusing why those settings aren't connected to the airplane mode14:31
jgdxmpt, indicator disappearing14:32
dobeysince location detecton is a feature of network connectivity, it seems appropriate there14:32
jgdxseb128, https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/titles-uis-tweaks/+merge/23985814:32
mptdobey, ah … Because while engineers may think of location detection as a networking feature, most people would not14:32
mptEven Bluetooth isn’t in there, and that’s much more network-y than location is14:33
dobeybluetooth doesn't depend on a data connection to be functional14:33
dobeyHERE does14:33
dobeyironically, enabling airplane mode though, does turn off bt and cause that indicator to disappear, while location and GPS are both still enabled, and indicator is still there14:35
mptSo does automatic time zone detection (clock), or streaming audio (sound)14:35
mptThat something depends on a data connection isn’t really interesting … The network menu is primarily for “I don’t have Internet/cellular connection and I want to fix it”14:36
tsdgeosseb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/ubuntu-system-settings/missingi18n/+merge/23986214:37
tsdgeosdobey: ↑14:37
kemmkompt: mterry it should look similar indeed but I don't think the option selector is a good solution for the WiFi screen in the oobe14:38
mptkemmko, is that because the setup should be less “list-y” in general than System Settings?14:39
tsdgeosdamn this is pretty bad14:39
tsdgeos"<b>%1:</b> %2".arg(i18n.tr("From"))14:40
tsdgeoswe are assuming all languages use : and that structure :/14:40
dobeytsdgeos: that is indeed awful14:40
dobeytsdgeos: especially in hebrew or arabic14:41
tsdgeosyeah14:41
tsdgeoslet me open a bug14:41
tsdgeosor just fix it...14:41
dobeytsdgeos: i think you need a bug, and get it identified as critical, and on the list :)14:42
tsdgeosarg14:42
tsdgeosdobey: for https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/ubuntu-system-settings/missingi18n/+merge/239862  too?14:42
dobeytsdgeos: probably14:43
tsdgeosarg14:43
kemmkompt. yes, the idea was to make it look different but still Ubuntu because in the end users won't see it again14:43
tsdgeosdobey: ok ^_^14:43
dobeytsdgeos: i'm not sure how system-settings manages the pot file, but i'd say you should ensure it's updated in the tree with your branch too, when changing strings like that14:43
dobeyor adding new i18n.tr() calls14:43
tsdgeosdobey: i've been told we just push to it14:44
tsdgeosafter14:44
tsdgeosthe MR14:44
kemmkompt:  where you are right though is that a certain recognition from users end should happen, therefor similarity is a good call14:44
tsdgeosbut what do i know in this world of changing things14:44
mptkemmko, I just saw the new “Lock security” screen in the setup, and I can see why you don’t want the same widget for Location ;-)14:45
kemmkohahaha14:45
kemmkompt: exactly14:45
kemmkompt: we need radio buttons14:46
mptAs Tufte might put it, the data-ink ratio is a bit low14:46
kemmkompt:  mterry did the right thing to implement the checkboxes behave like radio buttons for now, it is an interim solution until we (hopefully) have radio buttons14:47
mptyeah14:47
* mpt runs into bug 1379381 again14:48
ubot5bug 1379381 in Ubuntu UX "[Dash] shows splash screen with "Scopes" when starting up the phone" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137938114:48
dobeympt: aside from "make things start faster or prevent unlock until dash is started" i'm not sure how one would fix that; and forcing the screen to be locked would seem a bit frustrating15:02
mptdobey, Unity already has a system for customizing the splash screen per-app. So I imagine it would be easy to special-case the splash screen of the Dash. I could be wrong.15:04
dobeympt: well, it's the splash screen for unity. it used to say "Dash" but i'm not sure adding an icon or changing the name would be particularly helpful to the user experience at that point. as a user my expectation when i unlock the screen, is that i can access my apps15:07
mptdobey, naturally. But if we can’t just show the apps instantly, showing just the header (so it looked like a momentarily-empty Dash) would be less distracting.15:09
mptLike we do for System Settings, though it would be a little more complicated since the Dash uses a logo in its header.15:10
dobeyoh, huh. how does system settings do that15:11
mptdobey, http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/platform/guides/splash-screens/15:18
bdmurrayasac: that one is waiting to retrace possibly due to a corrupt core dump15:18
bdmurraypitti: fyi, there is not a backlog for armhf (only i386 and amd64)15:18
pittibdmurray: ah thanks, good to know15:19
asacbdmurray: waiting for a new, potential better core submission?15:19
asacgotcha15:19
dobeyoh15:19
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cwayneogra_: so how do we run autopilot tests now that autopilot is removed from the seed?15:28
ogra_cwayne, like you always did15:28
pittiphablet-test-run should just install it15:28
ogra_right15:29
ogra_it will magically pulled in as dep15:29
pittiogra_: related to that, I taught autopkgtest enough now; it happily runs AP tests with AP being uninstalled, and without r/w15:29
ogra_(it would have before ... just that this wasnt necessary because it was seeded)15:29
ogra_pitti, yay !!15:29
cwaynepitti: ooh, im interested in using autopkgtest as well (as i hear that's going to be CI standard soon)15:30
ogra_cwayne, phablet-test-run will soon be switched15:32
ogra_so you can just use the default test procedures as documented15:32
ogra_(it will become a wrapper for autopkgtest ... (indeed you can also use it directly without wrapping if you want))15:32
cwayneogra_: right, so I'd just need to add stuff to the click manifest to use it then?15:33
ogra_Saviq, mterry, do you guys know if the fix for "cant properly type on most left column in the keyboard" is supposed to be fully final ? or are there still bits missing ?15:34
ogra_my kbd is still very hard to use on the left side15:34
Saviqogra_, not there on rtm15:34
Saviqogra_, in silo 1515:34
ogra_ah15:34
ogra_phew15:34
* ogra_ is happy then15:34
* ogra_ was scared it was supposed to be fixed already15:35
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pramodi tried to install ubuntu touch on my Nokia X mobile16:50
pramodwhich is A dual core mobile16:50
pramodBut on using cmd "$ adb devices " it shows "List of devices attached 025d138e2f521413 offline"16:51
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barrystgraber: ping16:59
stgraberbarry: pong17:00
barrystgraber: hi.  i'm working on the test plan for the phased updates, using phablet.stgraber.org.  i grab your archive-master keys, but then i get an error because i think the image-signing.tar.xz (and possibly other keyrings) have expired timestamps.  can you update and regen the sigs for the ubuntu-touch/test channel, mako?17:01
barrystgraber: keeping the same phased update values17:01
stgraberbarry: oh, yeah, that server may very well be more than a year old :)17:01
barry:)17:01
stgraberbarry: I'll re-gen all the keys after lunch+TB meeting17:01
barrystgraber: awesome, thanks.  i'll be out for a bit soon, but ping me when it's updated and i'll retest this afternoon17:02
* dobey wonders what the deal with ubuntu-touch/vivid-proposed channel is17:17
ogra_not building yet17:18
Tassadardobey: I noticed it too, I'll switch to it on tasemnice once devel(-proposed) starts pointing to it on s-i.u.com17:19
dobeyogra_: any idea when it will be? it didn't even exist yesterday, but now it does and is empty. and i really need a vivd mako image to test on :)17:19
ogra_once it works17:19
ogra_dobey, you are only the 244675th pinging me about it today ... :P17:20
dobeyogra_: actually i haven't pinged you about it today. you just happeend to appear when i asked. i did ping yesterday though. ;)17:23
ogra_heh17:24
ogra_dobey, well, infinity is on it, trying to find out why debootstrap doesnt work on the armhf build machines ... just be patient ... images will pop out as soon as possible17:24
dobeyogra_: yeah, being as patient as i can. just trying to see visible status that's not just me re-running ubuntu-device-flash constantly and having it fail. and i'm feeling a bit useless at the moment :)17:26
ogra_but why do you care about vivid ... you need to land in rtm17:27
ogra_vivid will likely be completely wonky for weeks anyway17:27
davmor2ogra_: so about ubuntu-touch/vivid-proposed /me only asking to see how many pings count as a ddos on ogra_ ;)17:27
dobeyogra_: i already landed in rtm. i have to sync it to vivid now.17:27
ogra_just do it then17:27
davmor2ogra_: no wonky is 15.1017:27
dobeyogra_: so just lie and say the tests passed and let ci train sync it anyway? :)17:28
dobeyi don't have a problem with that, but i would like to make sure it doesn't crash on vivid; as it does crash on utopic when built on vivid (possibly due to some change that's in a lower level vivid lib)17:28
dobeydavmor2: wonky wombat ?17:29
davmor2dobey: that or wobbly weeble :)17:30
dobeyheh17:30
dobeywittle weevil17:30
* popey pokes davmor2 with a hangout from 30 mins ago.17:34
popeyslacker17:34
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kgunnbrendand: hey on bug 1386803, are you saying image #126 is when it started ? or image #126 was good ...then it started18:18
ubot5bug 1386803 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "unity8 crashing a lot since image #126" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138680318:18
brendandkgunn, we're not 100% sure yet but i couldn't make #125 crash18:20
brendandkgunn, nobody has found a reliable test case yet18:21
kgunnbrendand: also, what is the experience exactly ?....screen flashes to black and you get the spinner ? or something else ?18:21
ogra_kgunn, thats exactly it18:21
dobeyhmm, is it just me or does rtm-proposed #113 have issues with rotation?18:21
brendandkgunn, usually there is a long hang, followed by the u-s-c spinner18:22
* ogra_ always gets the spinner right after boot/reboot18:22
dobey113 mako i guess, since apparently the build numbers are not synced across devices18:22
dobeyogra_: spinner on boot is just dash taking longer to start and query the few scopes, than it takes you to unlock the screen, i think18:23
ogra_dobey, you mean after i entered my sim pin it should show me the session and then restart ? ;)18:24
dobeyogra_: you see the list of apps and *then* you see the spinner?18:24
ogra_(irt is clearly a crash and many of us see it)18:24
ogra_yes18:24
dobeyok, yeah that's a crash18:25
ogra_i enter my sim pin, then my pin about 20sec later with the session running the whole thing crashes18:25
ogra_others seem to catch it differently but nearly everyone i talked to today has seen it once18:25
dobeyif i unlock the phone as soon as possible after reboot, i get the spinner, but it's because the dash is still starting, not because of a crash18:26
ogra_well, then it also says "Scopes" above the spinner18:26
ogra_(or at least should say)18:26
dobeywhen i tried to flash 14.09 instead of 14.09-proposed though, on my n5, the dash was crashing constantly; so i flashed to 14.09-proposed instead18:27
ogra_well, it wasnt crashing it was "lifecycle managed" ;)18:27
dobeyogra_: yeah, it does say "Scopes" there. when i've seen the dash crash before, it did as well. but anyway18:27
ogra_(with a way to high oom score ... just like any app)18:27
dobeyogra_: lifecycle management was causing apport to keep collecting crashes?18:28
ogra_dobey, no, but restarting the dash all the time18:29
ogra_dash had the same score as apps ... and was SIGKILLed18:29
dobeyogra_: yeah, for me apport kept getting started whenever the dash crashed. so was definitely crashing (at least on my n5 on 14.09) :)18:29
ogra_today the score is a lot woer but still not 100% perfect ... next iteration of the fix is supposed to land soon though18:29
ogra_kgunn, fyi, i seem to have mediascanner and media-hub crashing alongside unity8 (according to /var/crash timestamps) not sure thats any valuable as a hint18:35
kgunnogra_: yeah, for sure....looking at commits #126 fwd18:35
kgunnseems media hub might be the suspicion18:35
kgunnno unity8 change in there18:35
ogra_well, we were suspecting the hud dropping18:36
ogra_since that pulled so many unseeded additional packages18:36
ogra_but according to unity8 devs nothing of these packages should be used by it18:36
kgunnogra_: i've been testing with version 133 today...quite a bit, and haven't seen it....18:42
ogra_i have had it at least three times18:42
kgunnogra_: what are your steps ?18:42
ogra_and i actually did a fresh bootstrap today18:42
kgunnmmm18:43
ogra_well, i did a bootstrap, went through the wizard ... punched in my sim pin ... then my pin... then opened system settings and got the spinner18:43
ogra_so i thought i better reboot ...18:43
ogra_did that  ... spinner after pin again ... then it stopped doing that18:44
ogra_at some point a webapp hung ... spinner again ...18:44
ogra_thats the tree cases i had18:44
ogra_i know popey, davmor2 and brendand saw it more often than me18:44
kgunnpopey: davmor2 brendand ....was it at a similar moment ? ^18:45
davmor2kgunn: I have it all over the place, so notify osd pops up crash, open and app crash, create an account crash, close and app crash, unlock the sim before you unlock the phone crash18:47
brendandkgunn, most commonly for me it's when i unlock the second of my two locked sims18:47
brendandkgunn, but it happens in a lot of places18:47
kgunndavmor2: curious if you --bootstrap 'd18:47
davmor2kgunn: --wipes18:47
* kgunn still wonders if the delta between --wipe & --bootstrap is documented :)18:48
davmor2kgunn: no idea18:48
pmcgowanogra_, do you often see adb not work to krillin, seems the case after ever update/reboot18:49
kgunnpmcgowan: i've seen that alot myself18:49
ogra_pmcgowan, nope, always works fine for me ...18:49
davmor2kgunn: the worst one by far was when I got back to the uk my wife called me to see how I was getting home from the airport and the popup for the call crashed the phone so I couldn't answer it18:49
kgunndavmor2: mmm, do you agree that #126 is the stinker ?18:50
ogra_pmcgowan, but as i said above i did a fresh bootstrap of my krillin today for the first time since re-partitioning ... lest see how it goes after my foorst OTA18:50
kgunnpre 126 seemed fine?18:50
ogra_*first18:50
davmor2kgunn: whatever was out on Saturday, Friday seemed fine I was testing on it all day18:51
pmcgowanogra_, ok, pretty consistent for me for some time, I should log a bug finally18:51
pmcgowanogra_, which package?18:51
ogra_pmcgowan, no idea, android-tools perhaps ...18:51
kgunndavmor2: this is the one of suspicion...18:51
kgunnhttp://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ubuntu-rtm/126.commitlog18:51
kgunnnot sure if you can tell whether or not you were on that?18:52
ogra_pmcgowan, so you mean adb is offline after the session is up on screen ?18:52
pmcgowanogra_, yes18:52
ogra_(before session is expected behavior)18:52
pmcgowanogra_, after I log in to phone18:52
kgunndavmor2: so brendan kind of thinks that's it based on testing...i thikn that's it based on contents18:52
pmcgowanogra_, I need to reboot then it works18:52
ogra_strange18:52
ogra_and you are sure thats not the PC side ?18:52
pmcgowanseems after an update only18:52
* ogra_ has never seen such issues 18:52
pmcgowanI just reboot the phone18:53
ogra_i do that plenty ... no issues here18:53
pmcgowanI have tried unplug/replug etc when in that state and doesnt work18:53
davmor2kgunn: yeah he has been looking into it I think so I would go with that, but it seems odd that it didn't start crashing a lot till saturday18:53
ogra_kgunn, this is my main phone ... i dont run tests on it and see the issue a lot ...18:54
ogra_i guess testing simply triggers it more easily18:54
davmor2kgunn: I'm wondering if this was the initial trigger and something else made it worse18:54
kgunnogra_: sure, no prob...not saying it's not witnessed18:54
kgunnjust trying to discern best info18:54
kgunndavmor2: so you're saying you flashed friday or sat...then haven't updated....and suddenly today it started acting up ?18:55
kgunnpmcgowan: don't forget on host "adb kill-server"18:55
john-mcaleelykgunn, so we (well, joc, but he's away) saw it a lot during our PES QA run yesterday/today18:55
john-mcaleelykgunn, none of that is with test harnesses - just manual use of the phone UI18:56
kgunnjohn-mcaleely: ack18:56
davmor2kgunn: no it started playing up for me a lot on saturday after upgrading to the revert for apt which broke installing apps18:56
pmcgowankgunn, I tried to add silo 1 and it complains about a path to a vivid ppa18:56
davmor2kgunn: up until then it was working okay with occasional glitches18:56
john-mcaleelykgunn, as another data point, he would have exclusively used r12818:57
pmcgowanmhy did that heppen18:57
pmcgowanbah18:57
ogra_must be the jetlag18:57
pmcgowanogra_, I added a silo ppa and it added it as vivid?18:57
ogra_pmcgowan, did you use citrain for that ? (the script from phablet-tools-citrain)18:58
pmcgowanno18:58
pmcgowanjust add-apt-repo18:58
ogra_well, if you dont, you need to use the right url with "ubuntu-rtm" in it18:58
davmor2kgunn: okay so 126 looks like it might be this build http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/rtm/20141025.changes and the 25 was saturday so that sounds correct18:58
pmcgowanogra_, ok but why? I am on rtm18:58
pmcgowanoh18:59
kgunnthanks for the cross check davmor2 & john-mcaleely18:59
pmcgowansilo is not rtm18:59
ogra_ah18:59
pmcgowannot even sure how to do this18:59
kgunnlooking more and more like media hub18:59
john-mcaleelyyou're welcome kgunn18:59
davmor2kgunn: so yes 126 is most likely the cause I just thought that 126 landed friday not saturday :)18:59
ogra_pmcgowan, by hand ... which means adding an /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ file and manually adding the key ... and even then deps might fall over etc19:00
ogra_pmcgowan, rtm is a derivative ... thats a bit like adding a debian jessie archive to your utopic install19:00
ogra_might work, but can also break in heavy ways19:01
pmcgowanogra_, yeah I am backing away, was trying to help oh well19:02
kurt___should I have installed the SDK with a PPA and not the app store?19:03
ogra_mixing distros is a quite advanced task :)  not impossible though19:03
ogra_kurt___, i think thats what the documentation says, yes19:03
kurt___ogra, thanks!19:04
ogra_(else you will be on an old SDK, the PPA constantly moves forward, releases do not)19:04
AlbertAso what do the crashes look like? is there a stacktracetop somewhere?19:04
ogra_AlbertA, i think asac had a link to a traceback on errors.u.c for his19:05
AlbertAogra_: is it the mutex lock assert?19:07
ogra_oh, i dont know19:08
ogra_i had two on my own here though ... 3f6b473c-5e83-11e4-a8bb-fa163e373683 and 6a680838-5e85-11e4-9625-fa163e339c8119:09
kgunnasac: so AlbertA had a good point, that likely there's a audio service create/destroy for every notification...19:09
ogra_they werent processed this morning when we checked19:09
kgunnand that's what we're using for all the prompting....that seems to be a common thread in what the guys are seeing too...19:09
kgunncrash just as their being prompted for something19:09
ogra_https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/3f6b473c-5e83-11e4-a8bb-fa163e37368319:09
ogra_yeah, looks like muutex_lock19:10
ogra_-u19:10
ogra_https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/6a680838-5e85-11e4-9625-fa163e339c8119:10
AlbertAogra_: ok that should be addressed by the dbus-cpp branch in line 57 in the silo....19:10
ogra_the medis-hub one19:10
kgunnyeah...last line on the report is mutex lock19:10
kgunnAlbertA: i take it that's b/c there's some racyness going on wrt previous dead obj on the bus ?19:11
ogra_it is because it is dbus-cpp19:12
ogra_:P19:12
kgunnlol19:12
kgunnman harsh19:12
AlbertAkgunn: yeah there could be accesses to dead objects which is fixed in the dbus-cpp branches listed in line 5719:12
ogra_kgunn, common meme among all devs though19:12
ogra_just say dbus-cpp in a room full of ubuntu touch devs and you will see them running for a pub ... to get really drunk19:13
AlbertAso it kind of makes sense...19:15
ogra_getting drunk ?19:15
ogra_yeah, surely does19:15
ogra_:)19:15
AlbertAthe fix I added friday let's the client player instances receive EOS...so they end up destroying the player instances19:15
AlbertAso the probability of hitting the dead object access bug increases19:16
AlbertAjust speculating....19:16
hardtailanyone install ubuntu on an asus transformerbook t100 can help me with install please/19:42
dobeyhardtail: are you trying to install the phone/tablet image on it?19:44
hardtail@dobey I am trying to install the desktop version but I have been having issues for 3 days now19:45
dobeyhardtail: you would be better off asking in #ubuntu this channel is about the development of the phone/tablet interface19:46
hardtail@dobey been out of luck in there for days...i guess i will try again...is it possible to get a tablet image though?19:47
dobeyhardtail: i have no idea what you can install on that hardware. but i suspect not many people have one.19:48
hardtaildobey well thanks..ill see what i can do19:49
barrystgraber: hi.  back now.  any update on test server?19:57
stgraberbarry: just finished resetting the whole server, importing an image now20:02
barrystgraber: cool, thanks20:02
stgraberbarry: try now20:05
stgraberbarry: note that the channel contains a single image at the moment since I reset the server. If that's a problem, I can probably figure out a way to get you a second image in there20:06
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barrystgraber: nope, it's okay as long as there's a phase20:24
hardtailanyone have an asus t10020:51
asacAlbertA: dunno, is garbled too much i think: https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/47162672-5e98-11e4-a34f-fa163e22e46720:59
hardtaildoes anyone know why this returns an error? linux (hd2,gpt5)/boot/vmlinuz-3.13-xxxx root=/dev/mmcblk0p5 video=VGA-1:1368x768e reboot=pci,force20:59
dobeyhardtail: because the screen is 1366 pixels wide, not 1368 maybe?21:03
dobeythough i don't know what error you are getting21:03
hardtaildobey the error I am getting is error: missing ')' symbol21:05
dobeyhardtail: oh ok. anyway, #ubuntu is the right channel to ask general support questions about ubuntu. please ask in there. #ubuntu-kernel might be able to help you to, as it seems you might be having kernel issues with that machine21:15
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