=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [01:10] Somebody in the #firefox channel pointed me in the right direction [01:10] oh? was it a purge reinstall of firefox? [02:27] No, if you delete the CAs, after firefox restarts, they come back, but are left with no authority. If one goes to advances preferences and edits them, they can be turned back on. I didn't think to check this, as I assumed clicking 'delete' would have deleted them. [02:29] ah :D [02:29] strange to have the access to delete them in the first place if they never truly leave [02:38] you probably don't have access to delete them if you installed firefox from a package... that is probably why they come back [03:03] hey all [03:03] or anyone stll up;p [03:07] guess noone hm [03:09] no daftykins or shauno..shocked [08:28] aloha [08:36] put all your clocks back then czajkowski? [08:38] howdy czajkowski et all [08:42] zmoylan-pi: aye indeed [08:42] MooDoo: howdy [08:46] just seemed a little early [08:50] hens and dog are up [08:50] no rest for the wicked === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [08:54] hens and dogs didn't put their clock back [08:58] hens get up super early and lay [08:58] :/ [08:58] when they lay they tend to tell everyone they're up [08:58] fireworks last night set Bash off :/ [08:59] you can get tranqs for pets this time of year. freaks some of them out [09:00] I think it was just we were unprepared for it [09:00] thought it would be on nov 5th [09:00] usually for 2-3 weeks before for halloween here but since they started massively fining fireworks users has died out a fair bit [09:04] it's so weird to be at your grocery shop and just have a fireworks section [09:04] well ireland... would have made it too easy [09:05] more fun getting them illegally === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [09:40] Good morning all; happy Animation Day! :-D [09:42] morning boys and girls. [09:44] greetings mammals [09:44] morning zmoylan-pi [09:48] morning JamesTait brobostigon [09:48] morning MooDoo [09:53] JamesTait: oooooooo cracking cheese gromit [09:54] JamesTait: Hello, it looks like you're trying to use IRC today! [09:54] Too cheery for Clippy? [09:58] * JamesTait throws davmor2 at nigelb. :-P [09:59] JamesTait: I'm 16stone you're what 10, and you are picking me up :P [09:59] davmor2, probably closer to 12 after last week. :-P [10:00] how much is one stone again? [10:00] nigelb, 14 pounds. ;) [10:01] nigelb, and a pound is 16 ounces. :) [10:01] i'm lots of stones [10:01] That didn't help. I had to convert 14 pounds into kg :P [10:01] nigelb, 1kg = 2.2 pounds. [10:02] Right, so I'm ~14 stones. [10:02] Need to get rid of 3 of 'em. [10:03] stick your leg in tiger enclosure? [10:03] lol [10:03] * MooDoo is a few more stones... [10:03] zmoylan-pi, that would be one way... maybe a tad drastic, but effective. [10:03] not *that* desperate either [10:04] but you'd have a story that would get you free beers for rest of your life :-p [10:06] Rapid weight loss is never good, would not be very healthy loosing the entire leg in one go. Better to start with a foot and work up... [10:07] so a boa constrictor... [10:07] zmoylan-pi: my friend who works on wikipedia gets free beer everywhere. [10:08] If I tell someone I work on ubuntu, I might get a laptop with no sound or something thrown at me instead :P [10:08] students are forever om their debt [10:08] *in [10:10] weight loss is only what you're measuring, not what you actually want though ;-) [10:11] * JamesTait chuckles at nigelb [10:12] I have to admit, we're way better. [10:12] I remember when I started some computers would have wifi or sound issues. [10:12] They days, most laptops just work on linux. [10:15] yeah, I'm now surprised when things don't work [10:16] but I'm not sure if that's my conservative taste in hardware, better consistency from hardware manufacturers, or better support in Linux [10:20] 27 [10:20] (gah) [10:22] that's numberwang! [10:25] Seems there may be a new xps 13 on the horizon... [10:41] i am going to kill apache for a minutw, to work out a ram problem, so the stats will be off for a moment. [10:42] I doubt anyone would notice ☻ [10:42] ok, [10:44] yep, it was apache, it was hogging ram, and lagging the whole server. [10:45] That's normally a good reason to not do anything clever with logrotate [10:46] restart all of apache every night, tidies up after leaky sites [10:46] i just did that, it hasnt helped things, [10:47] How did you deduce that Apache was using all the ram? [10:48] apache hungry! omnomnomnomnom [10:48] a combination of top htop ps and load [10:49] mainframes are weird. [10:49] and now that apache's restarted it's appearting to use a load of memory again? [10:49] yes. [10:50] directhex: you porting mono to s390? [10:50] popey: nah, it's worked on s390 for years. am building stable packages for it though [10:51] ahh [10:52] brobostigon: is it a few children using loads of memory, or just loads of processes sat around hogging it [10:52] for the latter its' often a slow external resource (like the DB) and the children are all just sat there waiting on responses [10:52] popey: using Hercules to emulate a box, as i can't find a way to pay for an s390x VM [10:53] that must be s l o w [10:53] popey: 11 hours compiling so far... [10:53] yup [10:53] BigRedS: both, so i am reducing apache's processes and see what happens. [10:53] 9 hours for the dpkg messing about, plus 2 so far for the class library [10:53] directhex: they're powerpc? [10:53] well, more of your visitors will not get responses [10:53] popey: no. mainframes have their own processors. [10:54] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z/Architecture [10:54] BigRedS: yes, however not that many people use it, therefore, i wont worry yet. [10:55] popey: access to POWER servers is a separate unresolved issue [10:55] Apache doesn't just generate business for its children, though. If you've several processes doing things, then that's because some visitor has asked them to [10:55] now ubuntu builds for power, surely we have PPA access to them for building? [10:56] popey: only for canonical staff. and that's only for 64-bit little-endian ppc, which is "new" & doesn't cover most existing PPC installs in the wild, which are big-endian [10:57] ahh [10:57] and you can't run a big-endian chroot on a little-endian kernel. rage. [10:59] you can get a ppc64el cloud VM for about $30 a month [10:59] thats helped, its still using laods of ram, but the load is definatly lower. [11:01] it's probable that whatever code's running the site just uses loads of memory [11:02] yes. [11:02] then it's a problem for a web developer and I can't help :)_ [11:02] yep. === graingert is now known as Guest63624 === graingert_ is now known as Guest65131 [12:45] howdy all [12:47] yo [12:47] morning! [12:47] just read about ubuntus openstack that you tweeted about....interesting :D [12:48] MooDoo: howdo [12:48] hello davmor2 how are you? [12:49] MooDoo: mostly tired [12:49] davmor2: yeah i bet.... [12:51] davmor2: but did you acheive all you wanted to at the us sprint? [12:52] MooDoo: no I found a bug that stopped me doing it didn't get fixed till the Friday :) [12:55] booo but yay for getting it fixed [14:03] beep boop [14:04] bless you [14:08] SuperMatt: is a bot in disguise [14:09] MooDoo: my big worry is that you understood that as a robot sneeze and didn't expose him as a bot, Now I'm concerned you might be one too ;) [14:10] no human i am. [14:10] everything i say is a lie MooDoo :-p [14:10] * zmoylan-pi waits... [14:11] so you don't don't lie? [14:11] absolutely :-) [14:11] for sure for sure [14:11] "Lucasfilm classics come to GOG.com" http://www.gog.com/ [14:12] only 33% for linux so far. SCANDAL [14:13] i should buy the lucas games. it's more honest than the scummvm data packs i've been lugging around for a decade [14:13] MooDoo: doing impressions of yoda doesn't make you human ;) [14:14] Turing test time ;) [14:15] hmm, would those packs be usable in scummvm? [14:15] popey: good question. gimme 5 mins. [14:15] at the sprint last week someone got scummvm working on ubuntu phone [14:15] which would be fun [14:16] popey: I'm pretty sure there is a scummvm portable for android so if it uses those controls that should be okay for most games :) [14:17] well, it had to be ported to mir [14:17] /opt/GOG Games/Sam And Max Hit The Road/scummvm/scummvm_x86_64 [14:17] does that answer the question? [14:17] lolz [14:17] yes [14:19] directhex: maybe, could you be a little more precise though? ;) [14:21] davmor2: are you being feisty? or just feeling gutsy? ps you're looking dapper. [14:23] MooDoo: nicely done [14:24] davmor2: yeah i was raring to say something....quite breezy actually. [14:29] MooDoo: You sound a little saucy if you do it in public though, as edgy as it can be it will start to become hoary and warty finally, and any raring and vivid reader would tell you as much :) [14:32] weirdos [14:32] oh no, that's 15.10 [14:33] popey: haha [14:34] davmor2: you taking something, you're sounding a bit lucid [14:34] popey: Weirdo Weebles === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [15:46] I finded a bug in chrome-ios [15:46] \o/ me [15:47] I'm awesome! [15:47] https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=427933 [16:19] diddledan: will you get moneys? [16:19] ;) [16:19] daftykins: it's not security hole unfortunately :-( [16:19] :-p [16:19] ah they're security alone, ok [16:19] figures. [16:19] i just clicked and started reading :> [16:19] how are you today sir? [16:20] I'm good ta [16:20] ooh, someone just updated the ticket [16:20] changed the label [16:21] 0o [16:21] i didn't know chromium was on iOS [16:21] it's a weird frankenstein I believe [16:21] hahaha [16:21] is it on the App store? [16:22] it's using the ios webview but they've fudged it to allow support for things that the ios webview doesn't -- like webp images [16:22] it's on the appstore as "google chrome" [16:33] diddledan: moar replies! [16:38] bah, he sucks [16:38] MooDoo, popey: you both might like this https://play.spotify.com/album/5ufeHHYtjfinUjlPHRUcO8 [16:39] not clicking that [16:40] popey: seriously it is just a nice compilation cd promise [16:40] http://cdn.arwrath.com/1/115242.gif [16:41] popey: when have I ever lied to you about good music :P [17:45] davmor2: why am I listening to Albatross? [17:46] shauno: you really should learn not to click random links on the internet - you'll get cooties [17:46] :D [17:46] but but but .. [17:47] worse, you'll catch windows!! [17:47] shauno: that's your trouble - buts [17:47] * diddledan ventures into potentially family-unfriendly places [17:47] an apple store? [17:47] shauno: because it is an excellent piece of music :P not to mention the other tracks on the album :P [17:50] shauno: as to why it started on Albatross no Idea I just clicked on share and paste the link for MooDoo and popey who I thought would also appreciate the music [17:51] I appear to have immunity to windows :) (although I'm getting the hang of putty!) [17:54] my other favourite "windows workflow" is to put things into dropbox so I can mutilate them with sed/awk/etc and send them back [17:55] but it's not really that bad once you've found a way to a) get out of it, and b) get your files out of it [17:55] dropbox or Windows? ;) [17:56] heh, windows [17:59] all i know is you don't get in the way of someone's workflow [17:59] so i don't try and convert people. [17:59] my mac client couldn't work out how to zip a few files the other day, so that and some other reasons have her wanting to jump ship to Windows [18:00] I guess it'd help if it used the verb 'zip' instead of 'archive' [18:01] :D [18:01] and she didn't have a messy desktop so that trying to demo creating one, there was no idea as to where the result went [18:06] * brobostigon wonders if google/android fit is compatible with his pebble. [18:07] hi all [18:07] :D [18:07] o/ === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [18:09] sup daftykins [18:09] not much here mate, getting the winter blues from it being dark early :/ [18:10] :(( [18:10] so tomorrow il call gibtelecom [18:10] should be un fun [18:10] ^_^ [18:10] my 100mbit is only getting 20mbit..done tests at several times of the day etc [18:10] do you just have to shout "ENGLISH!" at them until they put someone on that can speak it? :> [18:11] i dont expect 100 but more than 20 ;p [18:11] nah they speak english and spanish in gibraltar as normal [18:11] ah [18:11] its more a case of speaking to clueless fools [18:11] like when you phone an isp in the uk [18:11] indeed [18:11] i was over my mates yesterday because his ADSL was meant to have been activated, but it wasn't [18:11] my sky isnt the 90mbit i pay for..(the sky im on atm) but cant phone from abroad really [18:11] when the support person kept following the stupid script ideas about resetting the router i was getting very ragey [18:11] but i wasn't the one on the phone [18:11] yea thing is, i was told 100mbit from 24th we got connected on like 18th and it was 4mbit..i guessed temporary [18:12] yeah perhaps until profiles update or something, what kind of tech is it using? coming into the property over fiber, or? [18:12] then she said 100mnbit from 24th well its like 20..dunno if its an error or simply like theyve got my account wromng..when i phoned before she didnt know what speed i should be on (as my net wasnt meant to go live till 24) said i hadnt signed for ANYTHING but 100mbit and she says 'oh well 100mbit from 24' [18:12] so what was i paying for before then and meant to be getting?> [18:13] yea they say its fibre [18:13] got some technicolor router thing cant remember exact model [18:13] if it's going into the phone like that's VDSL and won't hit 100Mb [18:13] they had to come in and change the phone socket tho..sky's better..sky dont have to as their router includes everything thats needed [18:13] *phone line [18:13] bt had to come and change my dads socket [18:14] gimme a sec il find link [18:14] no, the Home 500 sockets are far better than using filters [18:15] my favourite isp story is still sitting there with the win98 sounds folder loaded up in xmms for when Charter wanted me to reboot. I figured out it was easier to fake it than to fight the script [18:15] :D [18:15] that's great [18:15] LOL [18:15] i like it [18:15] daftykins: https://www.gibtele.com/fibrebroadband/ [18:15] i'd just say i had them turned off, 'cause that's what i did in 98 era [18:16] I tried explaining a few times that if there's not enough lights on the modem, the router can't find internet and my debian boxes cease to become relevant [18:16] :D [18:16] it turns out the correct answer is "okay. done that, what now?" [18:16] i was trying to get my mate to say there's no damned line sync last night [18:17] so no point resetting routers and "avoiding going on the web admin for 15 minutes" [18:17] also lol at that last bit. [18:17] because an HTTP request hitting a router will clearly make it throw its' toys out of the pram [18:17] you looked at the url daftykins [18:18] maps|wrk: yeah but it's not exactly technical. mentions FTTN [18:18] si [18:18] clown company [18:18] doesn't say whether you can get it where you are [18:18] what do you mean? [18:18] er, doesn't mean* rather [18:18] "Most local addresses are no more than 400-500m away from these sites, ensuring that SuperSwift fibre broadband speeds are available throughout." [18:18] did they speed test your premises to say it could be had? [18:19] yea when i was there they saud they checked toi see if i could get 100mbit [18:19] but did they really.... [18:21] I gotta say, my current isp have been great for that. the only time I've need to call them, they used the magic words "hang on, I'll find someone who should know what you're talking about". win! [18:21] maps|wrk: the key thing here is to look at what speeds your device is actually syncing at, not what speed tests say [18:21] shauno: XD [18:21] yeah i got that when i called in to report packet loss [18:22] got transferred away from the newb helpdeskers [18:22] whats the chance someone at work could see what im doing without actually viewing my pc as i type? -- im using ssl https://frogs.zapto.org 0- the site is run on my server in my room and uses basic user/pass - [18:22] though nobody ever phoned me to say they fixed it, i just saw it drop one day and came back ok [18:22] that was exactly it. I was trying to describe how pinging google was bouncing between, eg, 18, 3000, nope, back to 18, back to nope .. [18:22] hehe [18:22] lovely jitter [18:23] maps|wrk: i was being told of workplaces just the other day that strip SSL and intercept employees SSL sessions [18:23] but who knows [18:23] hmm [18:23] if there's risk, you shouldn't be doing it over their infrastructure [18:23] is it likely ythey could and how would i know? it still shows that its using ssl [18:23] ours do that :/ everything comes in signed with zscaler [18:24] D: [18:24] that'll be why your colleague uses that 3G modem and Pi combo then? [18:24] :> [18:24] well, that's specifically because ssh is blocked heh [18:24] i use ajaxterm [18:24] just updating my trusty old dell atm [18:24] :D [18:25] our only outbound access is via proxy. the same proxy that re-signs everything. and there's no "getting around it" because there isn't a route [18:25] nasty! [18:25] re-signs? [18:25] I have a little mifi that I use with my own laptop. he has a serial cable to his pi, dressed up in white so it really does look like multiplayer notepad [18:25] certificates [18:26] XD [18:27] maps|wrk: you can actually query these Technicolor routers for their line sync via UPnP queries, as the web admin doesn't reveal them. [18:28] you don't have a working PC though do you? [18:28] yea i do..my trusty old netbook :D samsung nc10 :D [18:28] i can use that? [18:29] if it has a Loonix on it sure [18:29] and is new enough to have the right packages [18:32] ah no wrunning winblows 7 [18:32] you can knock up a live session though right? [18:32] on a flash drive [18:33] yea i could ..would have to be USB as no cd/dvd drive [18:33] :D [18:33] ubuntu live cd prob got an iso or 2 on the hdd as it is [18:34] http://frogs.zapto.org/images/main/mouse.jpg [18:34] :D [18:34] nobody uses optical media for live sessions anymore, as ubuntus are too big now [18:34] well, too big for CD that is [18:38] maps|wrk: here we go, got it running on my VM [18:39] maps|wrk: the package "miniupnpc" provides the binary "upnpc", so you install it and run "upnpc -s" as a standard user, which then queries the router for its' connection status [18:39] hm [18:39] no way to fiund out from the web based config for the router [18:39] mine responds with MaxBitRateDown: 45492000 bps (45.4 Mbps) MaxBitRateUp 11087000 bps (11.0 Mbps ) [18:39] no, as i started by saying :) [18:40] your router will only tell you your *provisioned* speed [18:40] for example that's telling me 45 and 11, my provisioned speed is 40 and 5 [18:40] i'd love to have 10Mb up :( [18:41] heh [18:43] do we need to reel another string out to your island? [18:43] :D [18:43] shauno: careful it might sink [18:43] shauno: actually we need to employ more opera singers to sing across the coast. [18:43] daftykins: Like sirens? [18:43] it'll just snag on a submarine again [18:44] submarines are rarely the issue .. they're usually trying to miss the floor. it's freight dragging anchor that ruins your weekend [18:45] or angry sharks [18:45] most of those are safely employed in london :) [18:45] XD [18:45] 40/5 is quite good for an island though [18:45] especially as we have no FUPs on our broadband services [18:46] FUP FTW [18:46] I'm hungry [18:47] I really should turn a light on, too [18:47] hahaha [18:47] lit alone by the screens eh? [18:47] i do that far too often [18:48] as long as it's green text on black background :-) [18:49] hah === Daryl is now known as Guest65857 [18:57] surely cables rarely get cut/damaged these days...theyre so far down and surely got big thick casings protecting them [18:58] nope regular occurence [18:58] some eastern country lost an entire route not long ago [18:58] didn't egypt lose internet when a cable was broken a few years back [18:58] you'd be surprised what a fisherman can do when he's after a bit of soul [18:58] sole? [18:58] XD [18:58] soul. they're pulling up the cables to download music from. [18:59] regular being how many times a year [18:59] How to piss off your VPS provider: create a 1GB file and mount it as swap [18:59] maybe he's fishing for sole whilst listening to soul. [18:59] alkso..surely most have multiple cables [18:59] as long as he has a priest to administer the last rites [18:59] Azelphur: y u do dis [18:59] daftykins: needed more ram to build flann [18:59] :D [18:59] did their IO spike? [18:59] so came to you in anger? [19:00] no anger yet xD [19:00] friendly queries? ;) [19:00] MooDoo: you listened to that compilation cd I posted earlier? [19:00] c++: internal compiler error: Killed (program cc1plus) | Please submit a full bug report, [19:01] add this to the list of things I broke. [19:01] most of them we don't even hear about. the last I heard was in july. they're not newsworth unless they're big cables [19:01] ah [19:01] like cutting off half of asia [19:01] that was fun [19:01] the gulf ones keep making the news because they are such a primary link between europe and asia. almost everything goes down the red sea because either side is a tad scary [19:01] :-p [19:02] http://thenextweb.com/asia/2014/09/17/internet-speeds-across-southeast-asia-crash-yet-another-undersea-cable-breaks/ [19:04] so if you break the red sea, you have to go the wrong way around the planet to get to singapore/kuala lumpur/tokyo/etc. which is bad for the people who invent fictional money by moving around fictional bits of paper [19:04] :D [19:05] if it has to go the wrong way around the planet it'll go through america where the nsa can uh... back it up :-) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_submarine_cable_disruption#Conspiracy_theories [19:05] I thought all money was fictional these days. country-level gold stockpiling is a thing of the past in favour of "my money is valuable because you want it. yours isn't because I don't" [19:06] zmoylan-pi: lol [19:06] whoops forgot about some laundry again. [19:06] I like that concept [19:06] daftykins: yeah, me too [19:06] daftykins: it's still sat in the machine from yesterday [19:07] I really should get to that [19:07] ouch! [19:07] i'd just wash it again :P [19:07] yeah [19:08] aaaah, The Cranberries in FLAC [19:08] :D [19:17] is anyone up to speed on what voodoo is required in the cipher suite for java6 to connect to a server that's had ssl3 turned off? [19:18] http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/28/7082697/bing-emoji-support [19:18] my oh my [19:20] shauno: that sounds painful [19:20] it gets worse, trust me :) [19:20] shauno: if it doesn't support tls at all then you're stuffed [19:21] shauno: are you writing the code? [19:22] or configuring some piece of java code? [19:22] more doing my homework. we've been trying to figure out why so many clients are dropping off the radar [19:23] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10487962/java-cipher-suites/10488029#10488029 [19:23] every single client is running on java6. the number of clients running on customer sites runs into six digits [19:23] in binary or decimal? :-p [19:23] so what appears to be happening is that if they disconnect for any reason at all, they ain't coming back [19:24] shauno: if you can write a 5-line (OK, 5kb) java6 program that can connect to TLS-only servers, all is well? [19:24] so I'm trying to figure out if there's anything at all we can do at the server side to support the deployed codebase, without falling foul of the ssl3-banhammer [19:25] http://juliusdavies.ca/commons-ssl/ssl.html [19:25] updating the clients is the long-term solution, yeah. a stop-gap until everyone's updated would be absolutely amazing though [19:27]