[00:40] <cmaloney> Evening
[00:41] <rick_h_> jparty
[00:41] <rick_h_> party
[01:33] <mrgoodcat> prefer pyparty to jparty
[01:33] <rick_h_> yea, goparty?
[01:35] <mrgoodcat> goparty is cool but i can never get the version of goGames i want. Every time they change the rules of a game and assume everybody wants the new version.
[01:37] <cmaloney> Can we just stick with cparty?
[01:42] <mrgoodcat> wouldn't want to rekindle the cparty v cpparty wars
[01:43] <cmaloney> heh
[12:42] <jrwren_> zomg, I just had a PR land 20 months after I created it: https://github.com/JulienPalard/Pipe/pull/12#issuecomment-59826673
[12:42] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/Qf49MQ - implemented windowed function by jrwren · Pull Request #12 · JulienPalard/Pipe · GitHub
[12:45] <mrgoodcat> do-release-upgrade on digital ocean is so fast
[12:45] <mrgoodcat> fetched 346 MB in 3.3 seconds
[12:45] <mrgoodcat> they host an ubuntu mirror and disk access is super fast
[12:45] <brousch> yes
[12:46] <jrwren_> mrgoodcat: and probably took 5 hours to "Prepare, Unpack, Extract" or whatever it is.
[12:47] <mrgoodcat> its doing that now
[12:47] <mrgoodcat> few hundred packages so that makes sense
[12:47] <mrgoodcat> i started at 8:41
[12:47] <mrgoodcat> so we'll see
[12:54] <rick_h_> morning
[13:18] <jrwren_> doesn't matter how fast you can download the packages, unpacking them is SLOW SLOW SLOW
[13:24] <mrgoodcat> actually it wasn't bad
[13:24] <mrgoodcat> full upgrade was ~30 minutes
[13:25] <mrgoodcat> and a lot of it was waiting on prompts from me i suspect
[13:25] <mrgoodcat> from 12.04 to 14.04
[13:25] <jrwren_> not bad at all
[13:25] <mrgoodcat> everything APPEARS to still work too....
[13:25] <mrgoodcat> which is a bit worrying actually
[13:25] <jrwren_> especially given the apache 2.2 ->2.4 upgrade
[13:25] <mrgoodcat> a least if something was obviously broken i could fix it and feel better
[13:25] <jrwren_> running apache?
[13:26] <mrgoodcat> well i run a pretty simple apache setup
[13:26] <mrgoodcat> its in /var/www and its static pages only
[13:26] <mrgoodcat> fully javascript/html
[13:26] <mrgoodcat> pages are stored as markdown files and the javascript renders them
[13:26] <mrgoodcat> only one html page, all the rest are md
[13:27] <jrwren_> ah, so not much in permissions
[13:27] <mrgoodcat> nope. just read
[13:27] <jrwren_> ha!
[13:27] <jrwren_> client rendered MD eh?  cool.
[13:27] <mrgoodcat> yea its pretty cool
[13:27] <mrgoodcat> http://dyladan.me
[13:27] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/38EzRS - MDwiki
[13:27] <mrgoodcat> it works pretty well too
[13:35] <cmaloney> Good morning
[13:35] <mrgoodcat> morning
[13:38] <mrgoodcat> anybody have any opinions on exim v dovecot?
[13:38] <mrgoodcat> er
[13:38] <mrgoodcat> exim vs postfix i mean
[13:38] <mrgoodcat> dovecot isn't even the same thing lol
[13:38] <mrgoodcat> is there a rick approved shortlist of MTAs?
[13:42] <cmaloney> I use postfix and love it
[13:47] <cmaloney> And Postfix appears under more active development than exim
[13:50] <mrgoodcat> which is simpler to set up?
[13:50] <mrgoodcat> its just for self-hosting
[13:50] <mrgoodcat> not work
[13:50] <mrgoodcat> so it doesn't need to be super crazy
[13:51] <jrwren_> postfix <3
[13:51] <jrwren_> its an MTA, there is no simple.
[13:52] <mrgoodcat> lol
[13:58] <cmaloney> Postfix is pretty well configured out of the box under Ubuntu
[13:58] <cmaloney> That said, MTAs are kind of a black box for me.
[13:59] <mrgoodcat> i'm setting up on Arch, so no magic for me
[13:59] <mrgoodcat> half the point is to try to understand the full stack
[13:59] <cmaloney> I'd still go with Postfix
[14:00] <cmaloney> the config files are pretty straightforward
[14:00] <cmaloney> And you're more likely to find Postfix out in the wild than exim
[14:00] <mrgoodcat> sounds good
[14:01] <cmaloney> Also Exim sounds like a MTA written in Emacs.
[14:01] <cmaloney> The name. That's all. :)
[14:03] <mrgoodcat> lol
[14:07] <jrwren_> exim is lightweight, which is why IIRC it is debian default.
[14:10] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: I just use msmtp
[15:26] <mrgoodcat> anybody try/use pgweb? https://github.com/sosedoff/pgweb/
[15:26] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/W1YOXv - sosedoff/pgweb · GitHub
[15:27] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: no, I use pgadmin3 when I go GUI
[15:27] <mrgoodcat> i've never used any pg gui
[15:28] <mrgoodcat> phpmyadmin was a lifesaver when i was learning mysql though
[15:28] <cmaloney> Last gui I used was phpmyadmin
[15:28] <cmaloney> I stopped a long time ago
[15:38] <greg-g> oh no!
[15:38] <greg-g> New packages going to be removed from Debian 'testing' (the maintainer might need help): - gnome-do - https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/gnome-do - removal on 2014-11-26 (bug: #763006) - gnome-do-plugins - https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/gnome-do-plugins - removal on 2014-11-26
[15:38] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/4W1FS6 - Debian Package Tracker - gnome-do
[15:39] <mrgoodcat> thats a bit surprising
[15:39] <rick_h_> man, gnome-do...haven't heard of that in a long time
[15:40] <greg-g> oh good, it's fixed: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=763006
[15:40] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/WdY8Fx - #763006 - gnome-do: Crashes at start - Debian Bug report logs
[16:02] <cmaloney> Didn't think folks still used Gnome DO
[16:02] <greg-g> I do!
[16:02] <greg-g> what do you do instead?
[16:02]  * greg-g doesn't like change
[16:03] <rick_h_> gmrun
[16:03] <rick_h_> it's super light and does what i need
[16:03] <rick_h_> but I only use it to launch things
[16:10] <widox> I use dmenu, its default in i3. just a simple program launcher
[16:23]  * akelling hugs i3f
[16:23] <akelling> i3*
[16:41] <greg-g> I guess I don't use the plugins in gnome-do anymore
[16:42] <greg-g> it's just <launcher>ic<enter> (iceweasel), <launcher>fi (files/nautilous), <launch>ter(minal), and <launcher>lo(ck screen)
[16:42] <greg-g> that's pretty much everything I use
[16:43] <jrwren_> cmd-1, cmd-2, cmd-3, cmd-4 if you setup your bar right :p
[16:43] <jrwren_> oh wait... that is windows 7 taht works that way :)
[16:43] <greg-g> bar?
[16:43] <greg-g> huh
[16:44] <greg-g> (launcher == <ctrl><space> for me)
[16:44] <jrwren_> ever use windows 7 ?
[16:44] <greg-g> nope
[16:44] <jrwren_> then never mind :)
[16:45] <greg-g> never touched one, nothing since XP (well, I used a Vista laptop to checkin for a flight once)
[16:46] <mrgoodcat> i use dmenu
[16:46] <mrgoodcat> greg-g: if you want a good full-feature launcher check out synapse
[16:47] <greg-g> depends on zeitgeist....
[16:47] <mrgoodcat> my i3 meta key is the super key, which is in the caps lock position on my keyboard (chromebook)
[16:47] <mrgoodcat> super convenient
[16:47] <mrgoodcat> i use dmenu, but i used to use synapse
[16:48] <greg-g> capslock->escape (vim4lif) and the super/command key on my kinesis is hard to reach, actually
[16:49] <rick_h_> greg-g: so I moved super to delete on my kenisis
[16:49] <rick_h_> greg-g: so it's right at the thumb because I use it for my tiling WM controls
[16:49] <rick_h_> greg-g: and yea, control on caps lock for all that stuff
[16:49] <mrgoodcat> my desk neighbor has foot pedal meta keys
[16:50] <rick_h_> ugh, forget that. I've got a footrest for ergo and not going to use a foot pedal
[16:50] <jrwren_> mrgoodcat: caps lock is ctrl, vim was written on a adm-3a: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-3A#mediaviewer/File:KB_Terminal_ADM3A.svg
[16:50] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/bQ0SqU - ADM-3A - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[16:52] <greg-g> rick_h_: hmm, I actually use delete frequently
[16:53] <rick_h_> greg-g: gotcha
[16:53] <mrgoodcat> which kinesis do you have?
[16:53] <rick_h_> greg-g: yea, I don't tend to use it, I use delete. And with vim bindings in most things delete is something I rarely need, just move to a place I can use backspace
[16:53] <rick_h_> advantage usb
[16:55] <greg-g> mrgoodcat: advantage usb (black)
[16:55] <jrwren_> I may actually try mapping escape to tab. that could be interesting.
[16:56] <mrgoodcat> greg-g: could try mapping it to end
[16:56] <mrgoodcat> doesn't seem too far to reach
[16:58] <cmaloney> jcastro: http://youtu.be/Hr3HCNIgv40
[16:58] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/UfLrPA - Duran Duran - Rio (Isolated Bass) - YouTube
[16:58] <greg-g> mrgoodcat: I use that all the time as well :)
[16:59] <cmaloney> I just use whatever ships with Ubuntu. ;)
[16:59] <greg-g> I guess I could map the right ctrl key...
[16:59] <greg-g> I use the left one predominately
[17:00] <cmaloney> I like the convenience of knowing that my entire workflow is subject to change whenever there's a new release. :)
[17:00] <cmaloney> Fuck muscle memory. :)
[17:00] <mrgoodcat> D: kinesis so expensive
[17:01] <cmaloney> Actually I'm pretty happy with Unity at the moment
[17:01] <mrgoodcat> i'm pretty happy with unity
[17:01] <greg-g> mrgoodcat: when your wrists start hurting, tell me how much $200 is compared to surgery or lost work time :)
[17:01] <mrgoodcat> yea i know
[17:01] <greg-g> ;)
[17:01] <greg-g> I made work buy me one for the office
[17:02]  * greg-g bought his own one for home office
[17:02] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: yea, it works on helping the pain
[17:03] <cmaloney> I take up air drumming to help with wrist issues.
[17:03] <mrgoodcat> i've never really had problems with RSI, but I imagine if I did 300$ would be a small price to pay
[17:03] <rick_h_> yep
[17:03] <mrgoodcat> have you had problems or is it purely preventative?
[17:03] <rick_h_> I have wrist pain when using my other keyboards for more than a few weeks
[17:04] <greg-g> I've had wrist issues yeah
[17:04] <mrgoodcat> yea so you have a more pressing need for it
[17:04] <greg-g> when I traveled all the time, so using laptop keyboard
[17:04] <greg-g> I started putting my kenises in my carryon for hotel use
[17:04] <mrgoodcat> i get pains in my finger knuckles from hitting the chicklets too hard
[17:05] <mrgoodcat> just the last knuckle on my first 3 fingers of each hand
[17:05] <cmaloney> 0I had some pain in my fingers from using my Cherry Blacks
[17:05]  * greg-g shudders at chicklets
[17:05] <cmaloney> but that was until I got used to them.
[17:05] <mrgoodcat> i'm fine with chicklets ow
[17:05] <mrgoodcat> now*
[17:05] <mrgoodcat> just had to learn to type more gentlly
[17:05] <greg-g> also, +1 to air drumming
[17:05] <cmaloney> I can go back and forth although I prefer the mechanical keyboards.
[17:05] <greg-g> I need to do cadences on my practice pad more
[17:06] <cmaloney> rumidents FTW
[17:06] <greg-g> rudiments, that's it
[17:06] <mrgoodcat> well definitely PREFER mech keyboard
[17:06] <jrwren_> someday I'll get something with cherry switches :)
[17:06] <greg-g> I wish I had my old rudiments book
[17:06] <cmaloney> There's a neat program that I found for helping with hand issues iwth drumming
[17:06] <greg-g> oh?!
[17:06] <cmaloney> http://www.amazon.com/Tommy-Igoe-Great-Hands-Lifetime/dp/B0031SUP26
[17:06] <mrgoodcat> but since my computer is a laptop and i like never work in the same place twice i rarely get to use my mech keyboard when not at work (where i leave it)
[17:06] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/L8ogkl - Amazon.com: Tommy Igoe Great Hands for a Lifetime: Tommy Igoe, Gregory McKean: Movies & TV
[17:06] <cmaloney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MofYoqZzXDw
[17:07] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/afn3Bh - Tommy Igoe: Great Hands for a Lifetime - YouTube
[17:07] <cmaloney> They sold it with a drum pad and sticks
[17:07] <jrwren_> maybe if I end up like JWZ, I will end up like JWZ running a club :p
[17:08] <cmaloney> heh
[17:08] <cmaloney> he still does code from time to time
[17:09] <cmaloney> Or at least he bitches about code from time to time
[17:09] <jrwren_> only enough to bitch about how it takes time to learn a library :p
[17:09] <jrwren_> cmaloney: HA!
[17:16] <greg-g> "we're drumming, we're not playing flute" :) :) :)
[17:20] <cmaloney> Yeah, there's a lot of great quips in there
[17:35] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney brousch you might like this awesome take on tic-tac-toe http://imgur.com/gallery/DhGEz
[17:35] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/Vxaflb - (Super) Ultimate Tic-Tac-Toe - Imgur
[17:37] <cmaloney> Just saw that
[17:37] <cmaloney> Pretty interesting
[17:37] <cmaloney> Makes the number of decisions more interesting
[17:38] <cmaloney> Though I wonder how "solvable" it is (eg: if there's a best move problem like their is in Tic Tac Toe)
[17:38] <brousch> Appify it!
[17:38] <cmaloney> appify?
[17:39] <cmaloney>  /kickban brousch
[17:39] <brousch> Verb: To make it an app
[17:39] <brousch> You can verbify anything these days
[17:39] <cmaloney>  /kickban brousch
[17:39] <cmaloney>  /kickban brousch
[17:40] <cmaloney>  /kickban brousch
[17:40] <cmaloney> craig@gaplus:~$ dict appify
[17:40] <cmaloney> No definitions found for "appify"
[17:40] <mrgoodcat> there is an app for it
[17:40] <brousch> Your old man dictionary means nothing any more
[17:40] <mrgoodcat> and you can play online here http://vikeshkhanna.webfactional.com/ultimate/
[17:40] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/6U3R5F - Ultimate Tic Tac Toe
[17:40] <mrgoodcat> the app is called tic tactics
[17:40] <brousch> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=appify
[17:40] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/2bzjVV - Urban Dictionary: appify
[17:41] <cmaloney> brousch: I leave all matters of language to Urban Dictionary
[17:42] <brousch> I'll dictify appify so appify will be in your dictionary, dawg
[17:47] <cmaloney> Don't make me crowbarify your ass.
[17:55] <mrgoodcat> .ud appify
[17:55] <bookiebot> appify: To create or modify an existing service as to make an [application] of it which in turn can be used in a larger [application]
[17:57] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: I hate you so much right now. :)
[17:57] <mrgoodcat> :)
[17:57] <mrgoodcat> its not even a new feature
[17:58] <mrgoodcat> just one i haven't pulled out yet
[17:58] <cmaloney> .ud rousch
[17:58] <mrgoodbot> No results found
[17:58] <cmaloney> .ud ben
[17:58] <mrgoodbot> Ben: Really tall, super amazing, the best sex on the planet, huge dick, super cute. Every guy wants to be him and every girl wants him. has the most amazing personality. loves plants. Really strong and can stay up for hours just screwing. Has the most amazing eyes and doesnt know how truly amazing he is.
[17:58] <mrgoodcat> wow
[17:58] <cmaloney> That is unintentionally funny
[17:59] <rick_h_> wtf was that and how do we never get that in here again?
[17:59] <cmaloney> hah
[17:59] <rick_h_> seriously, wtf
[17:59] <cmaloney> That's Urban Dictionary
[17:59] <rick_h_> I call it a bad plan
[17:59] <cmaloney> heh
[18:00] <jrwren_> .ud evarlast
[18:00] <mrgoodbot> evarlast: extremely cheap and stingy.
[18:00] <jrwren_> that is me!
[18:00] <cmaloney> .ud craig
[18:00] <mrgoodbot> Craig: The codename for the act of smoking marijuana; used primarily in public places
[18:00] <jrwren_> i never knew!
[18:00] <cmaloney> Me neigher
[18:00] <cmaloney> neither
[18:01] <cmaloney> Bugger. Now we got rid of rick.
[18:01] <brousch> He probably has all IRC traffic read out loud to him
[18:01] <cmaloney> We're done.
[18:03] <mrgoodcat> i can disable that if its annoying...
[18:04] <cmaloney> Please.
[18:04] <mrgoodcat> i added it for my other irc channel
[18:04] <mrgoodcat> hang on
[18:04] <brousch> .ud rick
[18:04] <mrgoodbot> rick: (v.) - to remove something with your tongue. The word is a combination of the words "remove" and "lick," and was popularized by its use in the famous sex column "Savage Love."
[18:04] <cmaloney> brousch: Knock it off, pls.
[18:04] <mrgoodbot> No results found
[18:05] <brousch> But it's so fitting!
[18:05] <mrgoodbot> No results found
[18:05] <brousch> We removed him with our naughty tongues!
[18:05] <brousch> Well fingers, but close enough
[18:06] <mrgoodcat> rick really left the channel?
[18:06] <cmaloney> yeah,
[18:07] <mrgoodcat> now i feel bad...
[18:07] <cmaloney> He's still on IRC.
[18:08] <mrgoodcat> didn't realize it annoyed him that much...
[18:12] <jrwren_> IMO those responses violate the ubuntu code of conduct.
[18:13] <mrgoodcat> yea its disabled now
[18:13] <jrwren_> thank you for disabling.
[18:13] <mrgoodcat> np
[18:14] <cmaloney> tx
[18:14] <cmaloney> Whether or not rick_h_ comes back is debatable.
[18:25] <mrgoodcat> well it seems i killed the channel
[18:26] <greg-g> please remove the ud function
[18:27] <greg-g> ah, thanks
[18:28] <cmaloney> It's gone
[18:28] <greg-g> So, just to be clear, that kind of language and those kinds of jokes aren't ok in here. I no longer have any official say, but, this needs to be a safe place for all people, not just people who are ok with misogony.
[18:29] <cmaloney> understoff
[18:29] <cmaloney> understood, even
[18:30] <mrgoodcat> yea i didn't mean to cause that kind of trouble
[18:30] <greg-g> in other news, it's cold here today, 59 :)
[18:30] <mrgoodcat> its a joke function for another channel
[18:30] <cmaloney> unrelated: I just deleted my Twitter account.
[18:31] <greg-g> cmaloney: whoa
[18:31] <brousch> again?
[18:31] <greg-g> I just cleaned up a ton of people (ie: deleted and or turned off their retweets) and followed some new ones
[18:31] <cmaloney> brousch: No, that was the unfollow and namespace collision prevention
[18:31] <cmaloney> this time around I'm just done
[18:32] <cmaloney> I'm to the point now where I just don't care
[18:37] <mrgoodcat> namespace collision? what do you mean by that?
[18:38] <cmaloney> Someone decides to take over the account
[18:38] <cmaloney> Like they didn with my previous Twitter account.
[18:38] <jrwren_> cmaloney: you follow the wrong peeps :p
[18:39] <cmaloney> (Which they said they didn't allow, but like most things Twitter later relented and did anyway)
[18:39] <cmaloney> jrwren_: No, I follow the right people, on Google+
[18:40] <cmaloney> Tired of seeing conversations halfway in
[18:42] <mrgoodcat> ugh
[18:42] <mrgoodcat> my stupid class requires a windows computer
[18:42] <mrgoodcat> how is this ok with anyone?
[18:43] <mrgoodcat> its a networking class for heaven's sake
[18:44] <brousch> What college?
[18:46] <mrgoodcat> OCC
[18:46] <mrgoodcat> its an online/offline hybrid class
[18:46] <mrgoodcat> and we have to do these things that require silverlight
[18:47] <brousch> ew
[18:47] <mrgoodcat> and i pipelight keeps crashing
[18:47] <mrgoodcat> so now i have to go to the school to use one of their computers
[18:47] <mrgoodcat> meteor.js got 1.0 release today
[18:52] <jrwren_> drop the class.
[18:53] <jrwren_> IME networking courses are useless
[18:54] <mrgoodcat> well...
[18:54] <mrgoodcat> i'm not going to drop the class...
[18:54] <mrgoodcat> good advice tho?
[18:54] <mrgoodcat> just because its useless doesn't mean i don't need it
[19:09] <jrwren_> ah college :)  Things were so different then.
[19:10] <cmaloney> Yeah, all of the good bands were still active
[19:16] <jrwren_> cmaloney: HA!
[19:56] <cmaloney> http://www.jwz.org/blog/2014/10/jwz-has-more-than-two-problems/
[19:56] <mrgoodbot> http://goo.gl/2FFtlh - jwz: "jwz has more than two problems."
[20:14] <mrgoodcat> test
[20:14] <cmaloney> .
[20:18] <mrgoodcat> didn't actually mean to do that here. was trying to get a different window
[20:23] <jrwren_> mrgoodcat: no worries, lets move on like howard deen.
[21:45] <jrwren_> worth mentioning that the pgweb tool mentioned earlier here is not an admin tool exactly. its a browser tool.
[21:46] <jrwren_> its different enough from phppgadmin or pgadmin3