Bluefoxicygeofft:  I checked for updates and patches and fixes.  14.04 wasn't this broke, and it had hundreds of updates in the first week or so. This has been a dead stick; no patches coming down.  I am completely up to date.  :|00:00
Bluefoxicyoh, and I'm using an Intel core i5 with Intel HD 3000 graphics00:00
BluefoxicyIf anything should not be broken, it's the Intel graphics driver :|00:00
JanCBluefoxicy: keep dreaming  :p00:01
BluefoxicySeriously this is like when people had XP and installed Vista.  I was like "ahahaha I have Ubuntu over here"00:01
JanC(Intel driver did break several tbefore)00:01
Bluefoxicyand now I'm like A*<#AG<Y(%I#(CT#<IU)(#$C00:01
BluefoxicyGnome keeps forgetting my keymap, so I have to go load something else and then delete it to get dvorak back00:02
JanCbut not sure this is what's happening here00:02
Bluefoxicyoh and then I get a pop-up dialog telling me I have multiple input methods installed and that it doesn't know what to do with my config.00:02
JanCdo you?00:05
JanC(do you use multiple input methods?)00:10
BluefoxicyJanC:  I mean like... ibus and imx or such00:20
Bluefoxicyit's found 2 different installed back-ends to type in Gapanese or Arab or something.00:20
JanCso, any reason why you have 2?00:20
BluefoxicyThink of it like having SystemD and upstart both running00:20
Bluefoxicyno, no reason I have 2.  I wound up with 2 during the 14.04 to 14.10 upgrade and don't know why.00:21
JanClikely you had 2 before?00:22
JanCor maybe ibus got pulled in while you had another one00:23
BluefoxicyPossibly.  Not sure how I got 2 in the first place.  I know how I got 1:  I had set up the keyboard a year ago to type japanese00:23
* Bluefoxicy eats a pork chop.00:24
BluefoxicyI'm pretty sure this is the first time I've actually regretted upgrading my OS.  Ever.00:24
Bluefoxicymy god.00:36
BluefoxicyJanC:  it's sound.00:37
BluefoxicyRhythmbox hangs.  VLC won't play sound, but plays video.  Flash plays video, but no sound.00:37
Bluefoxicyso is this bad?00:41
Bluefoxicyseems like an occasion to reboot, to me00:43
BluefoxicyYeah... that's bad.00:47
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hyperairwhat's the colour of the default ubuntu tty?03:05
hyperairi mean the actual tty, not gnome-termianl03:06
infinityhyperair: Black?03:07
hyperairi'm still sane.03:07
hyperairstill sane03:07
hyperair*deep breaths*03:07
infinityDoesn't sound like it...03:07
* infinity backs away slowly.03:08
hyperair11:00:14 <bonsaikitten> ubuntu just lacks basic QA03:08
hyperair11:00:35 <hyperair> :/03:08
hyperair11:00:39 <bonsaikitten> e.g. their black is still broken, startup flickers in ways that suggest no one cares, and distro upgrade usually self-destructs03:08
hyperair11:00:44 <hyperair> black?03:08
hyperair11:00:52 <bonsaikitten> yeah, black is purple03:08
hyperairdeep calming breaths03:08
hyperairmust not rage03:08
hyperairmust not flip tables03:08
rww> gentoo developer03:09
rww> complaining about upgrade stability03:09
infinityhyperair: I'd love bug reports for the last thing.03:09
hyperairrww: lol! i didn't notice!03:09
geofftalso it's not purple, it's aubergine. please.03:09
infinityhyperair: I mean, assuming he's interested in being constructive instead of just slagging Ubuntu for kicks.03:10
RAOFGRUB's background is aubergine, which is what most people will be seeing for most of the boot...03:10
hyperairinfinity: unfortunately i haven't been able to reproduce the distro upgrading self-destructing issue, because once i'm done, it's kinda... gone..03:10
hyperairinfinity: and i'm just stuck picking up the pieces with dpkg --configure -a03:11
hyperairand apt-get install -f03:11
hyperairand aptitude install -f03:11
hyperairi ran those commands almost 20 times, each time upgrading 200 packages or so03:11
infinityhyperair: There are logs from the upgrade, generally.  The first failure is the interesting one.03:11
infinityhyperair: In your experience, is this with update-manager/do-release-upgrade, or raw apt-get?03:12
hyperairinfinity: do-release-upgrade bails halfwya03:12
hyperairit's done that for the past few distro upgrades for me03:12
hyperairbut this time was particularly bad, because apt-get install -f wouldn't budge03:12
hyperaira bunch of odd broken packages here and there03:12
hyperairaptitude install -f did work03:12
infinityKay.  It leaves a log somewhere (I forget the precise name) when it explodes.03:12
hyperairbut even that only managed to move 200 packages or so03:13
infinityI wonder if we could get away with taking "anonymous usage statistics" that grabbed people's package lists.03:13
hyperairand then it bailed again a few times due to broken postinst or something03:13
infinityCause testing random upgrade paths is nice, but doesn't simulate real users.03:13
hyperairinfinity: cue: ubuntu IS SPYWARE03:13
infinityhyperair: Yeah.03:13
hyperairgod fucking damnit03:14
ScottKWell once you start sending local search results to remote servers by default, you can't blame people for being suspicious.03:21
hyperairyeah well, it's a little hard to benefit from hive-mind optimization without sending local search results to remote servers.04:30
JanCinfinity: if you ask the users nicely, probably04:36
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Logan_is it okay to forward patches to debian for build-depending on libappindicator-dev for indicator support? they do have that package as well05:53
pittiGood morning05:57
hyperairLogan_: it depends.05:58
hyperairLogan_: debian does have libappindicator05:58
hyperairbut most people don't use it, and more importantly, it breaks the UX on DEs that use GtkStatusIcon05:58
Logan_ah, I see05:58
hyperairi mean the standard notification area05:58
Logan_so a given Debian maintainer probably wouldn't accept the patch?05:59
Logan_and I should keep the delta?05:59
hyperairi know appindicator has some fallback that stuffs itself into the notification area, but it clobbers left click launch, and launches the menu on left click05:59
Logan_well that's wonderful :P05:59
hyperairit depends. don't file a bug, just try looking for the maintainer directly05:59
Logan_he orphaned the package05:59
hyperairoh lol05:59
hyperairthen it's up to qa.debian.org05:59
hyperairwhich package is this?05:59
Logan_some obscure Bittorrent client06:00
hyperairheh i see06:00
hyperairis upstream still alive?06:00
Logan_idk, I like forwarding things whenever possible06:00
Logan_no, it's inactive06:00
hyperairyou could try forwarding06:00
Logan_I guess the worst that could happen is they don't accept the patch06:00
Logan_usually Debian gets mad if we forward things without justification, though06:01
hyperairnot Debian in general, but some maintainers06:01
Logan_yes, I should've clarified that06:01
ScottKIf it's orphaned and dead upstream, removal is more likely the right move.06:01
hyperairtrue that06:02
Logan_the Git repo hasn't been touched in two years06:02
Logan_it's marked as inactive on Sourceforge06:02
Logan_and it doesn't even support magnet links :P06:02
hyperairLogan_: with my DD hat on, i'd say that the first time a dumb patch is uploaded, i'd reject it with an explanation. and the following times, possibly without an explanation06:03
Logan_if it's orphaned, do I have to ask for approval from QA before filing for removal in Debian?06:03
ScottKLogan_: In Debian, the QA team is everyone.06:03
Logan_so I can ask myself06:03
hyperairi don't think there's any prereq for filing for removal06:03
hyperaircheck popcon06:04
hyperairsome users might get annoyed06:04
hyperairbut that could be a good thing06:04
ScottKThen they can maintain it.06:04
* hyperair has stepped up as maintainer for things that have been RM'd before06:04
hyperairmostly out of rage06:04
Logan_I was so surprised when they removed compiz06:04
ScottKTake your motivation where you can get it.06:04
hyperaircompiz was removed?06:04
hyperairwhatever floats their boat.06:05
Logan_they said it was dead upstream I believe06:05
Logan_which is BS06:05
hyperairis it still maintained?06:05
hyperairsmspillaz has retired from compiz iirc06:05
goodwillcompiz is not dead?06:05
Logan_it's definitely still being developed06:06
hyperairafaik it's an undead state06:06
hyperairunity's moving away from compiz06:06
hyperairand after what canonical's done to compiz, it's probably just going to die without unity's support06:06
* hyperair shrugs06:06
Logan_there's now an ITP for compiz in Debian06:06
Logan_that's amusing06:07
goodwillor is somewhere else now?06:07
goodwilllast change anywhere was 5 months and compiz core has not been updated in 3 years06:08
hyperairLogan_: that typically happens with RM'd packages.06:08
hyperairLogan_: i think it happened for aircrack also06:08
hyperairgoodwill: bzr possibly06:08
hyperairbecause canonical loves bzr06:08
goodwillI've been meaning to ask does anyone else use bzr? what is it about bzr that Canonical loves06:09
goodwillhmmm ... I guess it is not dead06:10
goodwillhow nice06:10
hyperairhmm, i think emacs used to use bzr06:10
Logan_I think they haven't switched to Git because it would require changing the whole LP infrastructure06:10
hyperairthen they moved to git06:10
hyperairlike every other sane project ;-)06:10
infinityWe're working on git in LP, it's just not done yet.06:10
Logan_there's nothing special about Bazaar, other than that it's backed by Canonical06:11
hyperairinfinity: oh, so it's actually being worked on!06:11
Logan_infinity: that's music to my ears06:11
hyperairinfinity: that's nice!06:11
Tribaalinfinity: nice :) Good to hear06:11
infinitygoodwill: As for "what Canonical loves about it", it's that we developed it (and it predates git), and inertia is hard to overcome, even when you've "lost".06:11
goodwillmercurial is still alive right?06:11
infinityAlive and well.06:11
goodwilllove mercurial06:11
hyperairgit ftw06:11
ScottKWritten in Python and used by Python upstream.06:11
infinityNot my cup of tea, but some communities swear by it.06:11
Logan_Mozilla does, for sure06:12
Logan_although they've been using Git for some projects as well06:12
hyperairoh mariadb uses bzr too06:12
infinityI'm a simple man, though.  I still don't mind SVN, even though that makes me a social pariah in the modern DVCS world.06:12
Logan_they'll probably move away from it once Ubuntu does06:12
Logan_go away Adam, we don't want your outdated opinions here ;)06:13
Tribaalwell, bzr is a GNU project technically06:13
infinityRCS FOR LIFE.06:13
hyperairi wouldn't mind bzr so much if git-bzr was actually properly usable06:13
hyperairbut about half of the time, it fails with some kind of error due to some weird compatibility issue with the repo it's trying to fetch from06:14
RAOFProbably doesn't help that bzr has a slightly richer data model.06:20
hyperairi've found some repositories with unresolvable tags as well06:21
hyperairreferring to wrong hashes06:21
infinityRAOF: The richer data model, unfortunately, is sometimes a hindrance.06:22
Logan_I accidentally wrote utopic in a changelog instead of vivid06:22
infinityRAOF: Overly complicates things like tracking moves in merges and such.06:22
infinityLogan_: Need a reject from the queue?06:22
Logan_can someone please reject 0.9.12-3.1ubuntu1 from topic?06:22
infinityLogan_: flush, I assume?06:23
Logan_thanks :)06:23
Logan_I probably shouldn't be doing package merges at 2:30 AM06:23
* Logan_ goes to sleep06:23
RAOFinfinity: Right. I've not found git's non-handling of moves problematic, whereas bzr sometimes gets shirty.06:23
Logan_infinity: I thoroughly appreciated your rejection reason06:25
infinityLogan_: :)06:25
infinityLogan_: That's my default for "people I know/like well enough to not be professional".06:25
infinityLogan_: So, welcome to the inner circle, I guess.06:26
Logan_I feel so honored06:26
pittioh, upgrading util-linux triggers update-initramfs -u, which now synchronously starts fstrim.service06:26
pittithat causes the package upgrade to hang a looooong time06:26
pittiinfinity: ^ that's presumably not intended? fstrim.service shouldn't be started on package install IMHO06:26
infinitypitti: I feel like there's a Debian bug about this that I've seen fly by my INBOX.06:27
infinitypitti: I've been amazingly disconnected from all of that, but I need to get involved again before ah shanks me in my sleep.06:27
pittioh, it was mvo who merged that, nevermind06:27
pittiI don't see anything relevant on https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=util-linux, I'll file one then06:28
pittifiled now as Debian bug 767194, I'll have a look06:45
ubottuDebian bug 767194 in util-linux "util-linux upgrade synchronously starts fstrim multiple times" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/76719406:45
pittiit's highly annoying as each initramfs upgrade now takes 10 minutes or longer06:45
pittiwgrant: hey William!06:47
pittiwgrant: all the outstanding imports at https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/14.09/+source/ciborium/+imports?field.filter_status=all&field.filter_extension=all , are these normal? the pots got imported over a week ago06:48
wgrantpitti: Probably because of the arch in the path?06:48
pittiwgrant: well, I imported the armhf pot and deleted all the others (as this is RTM)06:48
wgrantSome packages end up with the POs in both the source and binary directories.06:48
pittiwgrant: but the outstanding PO files are from all arches06:49
pittii. e. neither get the armhf ones imported nor the !armhf ones ignored06:49
pittiwgrant: yeah, unfortunately stuff only ends up in the per-arch build dir for ciborium06:49
pittibut then again, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+source/ciborium/+imports?field.filter_status=all&field.filter_extension=all looks similar06:50
pittiso perhaps that's "normal"06:50
wgrantpitti: Are you sure? The template path is currently set to "po/ciborium.pot", no arch.06:50
pittiwgrant: hm, that's not what I imported, but perhaps someone else already did that06:50
pittihttps://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/14.09/+source/ciborium/+pots/ciborium has translations, so supposedly it somehow works06:51
wgrantExamining the tarballs in the queue, they're in source/po/*.po too06:51
wgrantSomeone should really fix all these cmake-y build systems to not produce both, though.06:51
wgrantI don't think there's a problem here, besides the duplicated import entries.06:52
wgranthttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/14.09/+queue?queue_state=3&queue_text=ciborium, look at one of those tarballs.06:52
pittiwgrant: so po files in dirs where pot files got explicitly deleted/rejected don't get cleaned up, they just keep stuck in "needs review"?06:52
wgrantpitti: Files are approved based on templates, not based on other files.06:52
wgrantA queue entry has no idea that another queue entry was rejected.06:53
wgrantThough Blocked has some special handling.06:53
pittiwgrant: ok, so that is normal then?06:53
wgrantThis particular case seems very common with qt things; someone should investigate and remove the duplication, I think.06:53
wgrantThis behaviour is normal and expected given the input tarball, yes.06:53
pittiwgrant: ack, thanks for checking!06:53
pitti(and yay broken build systems)06:54
wgrantpitti: I guess that's probably easy enough to fix in pkgstriptranslations, too.07:01
dholbachgood morning07:09
pittihey dholbach07:12
dholbachhey pitti07:14
dholbachhow's life over there?07:14
pittidholbach: lots of catch-up to do from last week :)07:15
dholbachyep, I can relate to that :)07:15
pittimvo: guten Morgen07:51
pittimvo: so where's the magic in http://launchpadlibrarian.net/188488665/command-not-found_0.3ubuntu15_0.3ubuntu15.1.diff.gz ? is there an external blacklist which isn't represented in that diff, or did you hand-edit scan.data after scanning?07:52
mvopitti: there is a external blacklist on nusakan07:54
mvopitti: I ran a full scan with postgresql-xc blacklisted07:55
pittimvo: ah, thanks; so SRUing this to trusty would merely mean to re-run scan, and it picks up the blacklist?08:00
mvopitti: yeah, thats probably the most simple way, do you want me to prepare trusty too?08:02
pittimvo: depends, if it's not too much effort for you; otherwise I can look into it. I mostly wanted to understand the mechanics how this works08:03
pittimvo: I verified the utopic SRU, thanks!08:06
mvopitti: no problem, I just started the extraction08:07
NoskcajDoes ubuntu have any plans to implement dep-11? https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCEQFjAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.debian.org%2FDEP-11&ei=uaBQVPyeE8btmQW7oYLYCQ&usg=AFQjCNFAC6PqqgyxzcQWi42MmlGzNBouKQ&sig2=mZX3PiNYRlsX2hlWGzHwKg08:09
mvopitti: it takes some time to run though08:09
pittimvo: would hand-editing have been faster?08:10
pittiwell, I assume "yes"; I meant "more appropriate"08:10
mvopitti: either way is fine, the upside of running the extraction again is that we catch if more got changed in trusty (which really shouldn't be the case). but yeah, hand-editing is the fastest path :)08:11
ogra_mvo, i just noticed that ubuntu-core-system-image fails to build images in vivid ... with the same issue we had on touch and ubuntu-core yesterday (image builds accidentially using PPA builders) ... infinity knows what to do (he fixed the two others)08:21
mvoogra_: thanks, but it seems like the latest image build was successful (3h ago) - I had to update a bunch of stuff in the PPA because of vidid changes08:27
ogra_ah, k08:27
ogra_sorry, didnt check the timestamp on the mail08:28
mvoogra_: no problem :)08:33
* ogra_ has by accident looked into his router syslog ... runnint minimal trusty there and i just noticed os-prober running there 09:04
ogra_is that normal ?09:04
ogra_i never saw that on an installed system09:04
Laney@pilot in09:09
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ogra_irritating ...09:09
ogra_it also seems to load a lot of filesystem modules doing that09:09
ogra_even before os-prober runs09:10
xnoxogra_: os-prober is executed by update-grub09:13
xnoxogra_: well one of the snippets to test/check/detect/generate boot entries.09:13
ogra_xnox, why would that run on a regular basis on a running system  though ?09:13
ogra_i seem to see it pretty regular in syslog09:13
xnoxogra_: trusty gets new kernels every two weeks. so i'd expect it to run every two weeks.09:14
xnoxogra_: unless your /boot is full, and unattended upgrades active, which would constantly try to configure new kernel, run os-prober, and fail.09:14
* ogra_ checks his /boot 09:14
ogra_indeed i run unattended upgrades  ... since its a router :)09:15
ogra_andin fact there is a newer kernel than i run09:15
ogra_so why didnt i get a reboot notification on login09:16
ogra_my trusty server install definitely gives me one ... weird09:16
* ogra_ guesses ubuntu-minimal lacks that bit 09:17
ogra_xnox, thanks ! you rock !09:17
cjwatsonLaney: dh-autoreconf> I don't think so; part of the rationale for the split is that virtually nothing actually needs /usr/bin/libtool, and typically should be fixed if it does10:11
LocutusOfBorg1Laney, so should I ask for miniupnpc and transmission merges? I actually did them both, also rdesktop10:16
LocutusOfBorg1usually dholbach doesn't ask me to do, but I can ask if needed :)10:16
LocutusOfBorg1they are all trivial merges10:16
Laneycjwatson: Maybe so. I found three packages broken by this during the gi transition, which were using `libtool --mode=execute' in their test wrappers. (Okay, these three were Ubuntu specific)10:24
LaneyLocutusOfBorg1: You risk duplicating work or missing some piece of knowledge10:24
LaneyLocutusOfBorg1: See the first bullet https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html10:24
LaneyThis cycle I've already had two merges I was already working on performed by someone else10:25
cjwatsonLaney: If they're doing that, then they should have a direct build-dependency anyway, rather than relying on dh-autoreconf to supply it for them.10:26
cjwatsonLaney: But the right fix is to make them use the libtool in their build tree, not /usr/bin/libtool which may bear only passing resemblance in terms of configuration.10:26
cjwatsonLaney: Compare e.g. http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/man-db.git/tree/src/tests/testlib.sh#n1710:27
LaneyI'm just observing that there are things now which have become broken because they were assuming dh-autoreconf gave them /u/b/libtool10:28
LocutusOfBorg1oh indeed, so do you plan to merge gdcm? it is a package I worked on debian10:28
cjwatsonOh, yeah, just saying those are things to be fixed and not papered over10:28
LocutusOfBorg1bdrung, you there?10:29
bdrung_workLocutusOfBorg1, yes10:30
LocutusOfBorg1I would like to report a bug against wrap-and-sort10:30
LocutusOfBorg1but I ask you prior10:30
LocutusOfBorg1look at this10:30
Laneyyou know he's in #debian-devel too? :)10:30
LocutusOfBorg1wrap-and-sort dropped dpkg-dev b-d, because seems to strip everything after the first comment "#" in b-d10:30
LocutusOfBorg1ops :)10:30
Laneygdcm> go ahead10:31
LocutusOfBorg1Sometimes I feel more confortable here rather than in debian :)10:31
bdrung_workLocutusOfBorg1, i am 99% sure that this is a bug in python-debian (and it is probably already reported)10:31
cjwatsondpm: If you're talking about myspell-ca, I copied that in a few days back, you just weren't on IRC for me to respond at the time10:32
darkxstSo Noskcaj posted a silly google link, but are there any plans for DEP-11 in ubuntu in the near future?10:32
darkxstpitti, cjwatson ^10:32
darkxstUbuntu GNOME will probably switch to gnome-software at some point, but without that, is largely useless10:33
pittiI don't think it has ever been discussed so far10:33
LocutusOfBorg1bdrung_work, you mean something like #694142?10:33
bdrung_workLocutusOfBorg1, yes, that's exactly the bug you described10:34
LocutusOfBorg1:D thanks!10:34
LocutusOfBorg1I subscribed to it, thanks for avoiding me to report a new bug10:34
bdrung_worki should implement an option to just show the diff instead of applying it10:35
bdrung_workthanks for asking10:35
LocutusOfBorg1bdrung_work, I'm wondering how many times people drops b-d in an unaware mode10:35
LocutusOfBorg1seems dangerous!10:35
bdrung_worki only run wrap-and-sort in git repositories (where you can run 'git diff' afterwards to check the result)10:36
LocutusOfBorg1yes, but sometimes with huge dependencies it becomes difficult to track all of them, I double check them (this is why I spotted this one, in the transmission merge)10:36
dpmcjwatson, ah, awesome. I hadn't re-pinged as I wasn't sure if you were away. Thanks!10:37
LocutusOfBorg1but the "one-line" to multiline switch makes things hard10:37
GunnarHjdholbach: Thanks for uploading https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu/vivid/im-config/merge-0.27-1/+merge/23985310:38
GunnarHjdholbach: Can you please push the branch too? (The bots didn't do their job.)10:38
darkxstpitti, right, would be good to start that discussion at some point, but not really a priority this cycle10:40
darkxstthough given it require backend changes to the archives afaics it might be better to start sooner than later?10:41
dholbachGunnarHj, done10:44
GunnarHjdholbach: Great, thanks!10:45
LocutusOfBorg1Laney, can I give you the debdiff or should I open abug?10:57
LaneyLocutusOfBorg1: bug please10:57
LocutusOfBorg1s/abug/a bug/10:57
LocutusOfBorg1FYI #138711411:01
LocutusOfBorg1was trivial :)11:01
* ogra_ glares at his half pushed livecd-rootfs branch 11:08
LocutusOfBorg1so will the next ubuntu have systemd by default?11:17
LocutusOfBorg1most of the ubuntu deltas I'm looking at have upstart init scripts, I'm wondering if they can be synced over11:18
ogra_mvo, any objections to me uploading livecd-rootfs ?11:23
ogra_(just ran into your changes there)11:24
* ogra_ uploads ... 11:27
Laneyogra_: there's a sponsor request in the queue11:29
Laneycan you take that at the same time?11:29
Laneyactually two11:29
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cjwatsonLocutusOfBorg1: we'll need to retain upstart jobs as a transition mechanism for a while no matter what11:34
cjwatsonLocutusOfBorg1: please don't drop those11:34
ogra_Laney, i'll have to do more subsequent uploads of livecd-rootfs today (this one is just to give you proper info in the build error so all needed changes are listed in it, i actually need to make these changes i teh next one)11:38
ogra_Laney, so yeah, i'll happily take them with the next one11:39
LaneyOne of them is basically a c+p of a script in ubuntu-touch hooks, wonder if they can be shared somehow11:39
ogra_i'll take a look11:40
ogra_hoperfully not the password hardcoding :)11:40
ogra_(since i'm just changing that bit)11:40
Laneynah, /etc/writable stuf11:40
ogra_ah, thats fine11:41
* ogra_ notes that systemd causes issues in touch even before being the default 11:41
* ogra_ blames lennart ... because everyone does11:42
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mdeslaur@pilot in11:49
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mvoogra_: none, thanks11:54
mvoogra_: sorry for the delay, was having lunch11:54
ogra_to late anyway :)11:54
mvoogra_: I meant to upload them but got distracted :)11:55
ogra_(i assumed if you merge into trunk the code would be ready)11:55
mvoogra_: yes, it should be fine and got tested in our PPA for some time already11:57
mvoogra_: oh, just got the mail from the archive that I did indeed upload (and not dreamed it). so you will have to do another upload with your "  * properly redirect error output in 99zz-check-uid-gid.chroot" change and a new version number. maybe you looked while LP was still processing the upload11:59
ogra_mvo, did you debcommit ?11:59
ogra_the tree didnt have a new tag12:00
ogra_oh, and there is the rejected mail :P12:00
ogra_hmm the tree is a mess12:01
ogra_mvo, please push --overwrite your upload and do a proper debcommit ... seems the tree has my debian/changelog and my tag now12:02
mvoogra_: sure, done12:03
mvoogra_: at r99012:03
mvoogra_: sorry for the trouble, that was the part I meant to do and got distracted12:03
ogra_yeah, no prob ...12:04
* mvo hugs ogra_12:04
* ogra_ hugs mvo 12:05
LocutusOfBorg1cjwatson, I never drop without asking first :) and of course *not* before any systemd transition :D12:23
LocutusOfBorg1and thanks for the clarification ;)12:23
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LaneyLocutusOfBorg1: are you going to handle rebuilds for gdcm?12:53
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LocutusOfBorg1Laney, I have no upload privileges :( I can try a rebuild in a ppa if this helps13:03
LocutusOfBorg1should I?13:03
Laneytest builds would be helpful13:03
LocutusOfBorg1camitk insighttoolkit insighttoolkit4 itksnap vmtk vtk-dicom right?13:04
LocutusOfBorg1this is what is given me with reverse-depends -b src:gdcm13:05
Laneyanything that has a depends on libgdcm2.213:05
LaneyLocutusOfBorg1: miniupnpc is the same13:12
gesercould someone please give-back gexiv2 and grilo. They failed as the gir files weren't in multi-arch directories, they should build now with the current gobject-introspection from vivid.13:12
Laneygeser: yep13:14
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LocutusOfBorg1Laney, uploading rdeps :)13:48
seb128bdmurray, pitti: do you know what that means?14:04
seb128SegvAnalysis: Skipped: missing required field "Disassembly"14:04
seb128unity8 segfault on the phone, apport failed to collect a dump, I wonder if that's the cause or a consequence14:05
bdmurrayseb128: I believe the Disassembly is still in the report14:17
bdmurrayseb128: I reported this as bug 1374544 a little while ago14:19
ubottubug 1374544 in apport (Ubuntu) "crash file indicates Disassembly is missing when it isn't" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137454414:19
seb128bdmurray, thanks14:19
seb128in my case it is14:19
seb128no coredump/stacktrace in the .crash14:19
bdmurrayah, I believe that usually happens due to lack of memory on the device14:19
LocutusOfBorg1Laney, rebuilds for miniupnc done (I hope)14:21
LocutusOfBorg1some spurious armhf failures due to qemu crashes (multithread stuff)14:21
LocutusOfBorg1I also uploaded a vino merge in my ppa, I hope to have a feedback from seb128 :)14:23
seb128LocutusOfBorg1, read https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vino/+bug/1271358 ยง?14:23
ubottuUbuntu bug 1271358 in vino (Ubuntu) "Update to 3.12" [Wishlist,In progress]14:23
seb128LocutusOfBorg1, basically we can't update since the new version drops the UI for controlling it, which is used under !GNOME desktops, including Unity14:24
LocutusOfBorg1anyway vino at least in debian uses the embedded miniupnpc14:25
LocutusOfBorg1so I hope it can be patched to use again it also in ubuntu, right?14:26
seb128LocutusOfBorg1, no, we don't want to use the embedded one14:28
seb128LocutusOfBorg1, we can't update anyway due to what I wrote before14:28
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LocutusOfBorg1mmm so  miniupnpc is blocked by 1271358?14:35
seb128LocutusOfBorg1, why would it?14:36
seb128LocutusOfBorg1, did miniupnpc change soname/abi? in which case somebody needs to rebuild vino/make it work with that version14:36
seb128LocutusOfBorg1, updating vino is not the only way to get there14:36
LocutusOfBorg1ok so I'll try to rebuild it :)14:38
LocutusOfBorg1thanks to you for pointing me to the best solution ;)14:40
LocutusOfBorg1:( https://launchpadlibrarian.net/188608080/buildlog_ubuntu-vivid-amd64.vino_3.14.0-2ubuntu2.is.3.8.1-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz14:45
seb128LocutusOfBorg1, yeah, needs code changes...14:50
LocutusOfBorg1seb128, yes, working on it14:56
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pittiseb128: I'm back -- seems you figured that out?15:35
LocutusOfBorg1seb128, I fixed it :)15:36
LocutusOfBorg1Laney,  miniupnpc seems fine :)15:49
Laneyk, i'll look soon15:50
LocutusOfBorg1Laney, no hurry :) I was just giving you the information, sorry if I bother :D15:59
RiddellLocutusOfBorg1: ping16:56
RiddellLocutusOfBorg1: bug 1357270 you included multiarch-python-include-dirs.diff16:56
ubottubug 1357270 in cmake (Ubuntu) "Merge cmake (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135727016:56
RiddellLocutusOfBorg1: that points to http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=1415616:56
Riddellwhich xnox says should be dropped16:57
Riddellwho's right?16:57
jonomdeslaur, hey, pal16:57
mdeslauruh-oh :)16:57
jonomdeslaur, can I ask a favor? there is an interesting discussion going on on the Bad Voltage forum about packaging, and your name came up :-)16:57
mdeslaurjono: what'd I do?16:57
jonowould you mind going and responding? http://community.badvoltage.org/t/on-package-creation-and-maintenance/835816:58
jonoothers are of course, welcome to respond too :-)16:58
xnoxRiddell: it's mostly harmless. But imho should be dropped, but i didn't retest rebuilding cmakish/pythony packages.17:01
Riddellxnox: there's two other patches, should I submit them upstream?17:01
xnoxRiddell: timeline-wise LocutusOfBorg1 simply did the merge, with his intended change, preserving all others.17:01
Riddellboost-multiarch.patch cmake-crosscompile.patch17:01
tewardis there a list of supported ubuntu architectures for precise and later lying around anywhere?  trying to figure out what alternative architectures exist for any given release17:02
xnoxRiddell: boost-multiarch.patch possibly can also be dropped, but needs reverse-dep builds test.17:02
xnoxRiddell: cmake-crosscompile.patch is required to stay, and is not fully ready for submission to upstream.17:02
xnoxRiddell: i'm adding cmake-crosscompile patch re-review to my floss todo list. Will look at it during mini-debconf uk next weekend.17:03
Riddellthanks xnox17:03
xnoxRiddell: i don't even have a vivid chroot yet, so I haven't done anything for this cycle yet.17:04
xnox(well sans all the things that got synced in)17:04
pittiNoskcaj, Laney: FYI, your libmediaart sync broke tracker: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/vivid-adt-tracker/11/?17:17
pittiso it's held back in -proposed17:17
pitti(uploader notifications aren't yet reenabled for vivid)17:18
pittilooks like this needs some porting, maybe a newer tracker upstream version17:18
LocutusOfBorg1Riddell, yes, as xnox said, that patch was intended for cmake 317:20
seb128LocutusOfBorg1, nice17:20
LocutusOfBorg1with cmake 3 some things can be dropped, and the debian changelog from fgeyer was already mentioning that17:20
LocutusOfBorg1I didn't open a new one, sorry for that :)17:20
LocutusOfBorg1seb128, thaks, was trivial17:20
seb128pitti, not really, well I still don't know why apport doesn't collect dumps for unity8 segfault on my phone, I edited the .py to change the 3/4 of free memory requirement to see if it's that17:20
pittiseb128: the dash takes more than  half of available memory (~ 550 MB), so it's indeed difficult; but with that check disabled it might work (unless it then runs into OOM, of course)17:21
mdeslaurjono: replied, thanks17:22
seb128pitti, yeah, let's see, it would be nice if apport was writing in the log if that'sthe reason it doesn't do the collection17:22
pittiseb128: ack; bug report appreciated (and assign to me)17:23
seb128pitti, I can do that, thanks ;-)17:24
Laneypitti: Indeed, new versions fix this17:24
LocutusOfBorg1xnox, why MultiArchCross.cmake is not in debian?17:28
LocutusOfBorg1I'm wondering why a plain sync isn't possible now17:28
xnoxLocutusOfBorg1: because it's incomplete, and relies on (not present in debian) at the time qt packaging changes.17:29
xnoxi need to reconcile it with debian's developments.17:29
xnoxand as i said, i'll do that soon.17:30
xnoxplease keep it for now. otherwise ubuntu-touch sdk will break.17:30
jonomdeslaur, thanks!17:35
mdeslaurjono: ARGH We're sorry, but new users are temporarily limited to 3 replies in the same topic17:35
jonomdeslaur, I can fix that for you if you like?17:35
mdeslaurjono:  please, I have a long post #4 :)17:36
jonomdeslaur, ok one sec17:36
LocutusOfBorg1thanks for clarifying17:36
jonomdeslaur, should be fixed now17:36
mdeslaurjono: awesome, thanks!17:37
LocutusOfBorg1we are in the early development, so if cmake breaks something in python we can handle it, right?17:38
LocutusOfBorg1anyway, keeping a patch is safer :D17:38
jonothanks mdeslaur, for replying :-)17:42
mdeslaurjono: FWIW, my wife agrees that I am rude.17:43
ogra_mdeslaur, lies !!! she doesnt know you as good as we do !17:45
mdeslaurogra_: I know, right? :)17:45
jonomdeslaur, LOL17:50
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Noskcajpitti: That was to be expected. The new version has been merged18:57
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infinityIck.  bash is telling me about sudo on every invocation now?19:33
* infinity wonders what's meant to write in_successful /etc/bash.bashrc 19:36
infinityWhat's meant to write $HOME/.sudo_as_admin_successful and why don't I have one?19:37
mdeslaurinfinity: oh, did that get dropped in sudo? /me checks19:39
mdeslaurinfinity: ah, crud, sudo is looking at the group called "admin" too19:40
mdeslaurinfinity: I'll fix sudo19:42
Jelle_Hello guys. At the moment I got my Ubuntu server up and running, but I have to install the server-software for Jira. I followed the following tutorial: https://confluence.atlassian.com/display/JIRA/Installing+JIRA+on+Linux , altho at step 2.1 I need to execute a .sh file, but I get the 'Command not found' error. I hope someone can help me out :)19:42
infinitymdeslaur: Ah-ha.19:42
infinitymdeslaur: Make it check both, I guess, we get to retain backward compat forever.19:42
infinitymdeslaur: Might want to SRU the sudo change back too, so people on old releases get the semaphore created before they upgrade and get the message back for no good reason.  But I guess that's purely cosmetic, so meh.19:44
jtaylorJelle_: you are probably missing the 32 bit linker19:44
jtaylorlibc6-i386 I think19:44
Jelle_I've no idea what that could be.. :P I'm very new to linux actually19:45
Jelle_http://paste.ubuntu.com/8736982/  btw that is my output19:45
jtaylorJelle_: try bash instead of sh19:45
Jelle_Nope didn't do the trick :/19:46
Jelle_looks like the same error19:46
infinityWhich error are you referring to?19:47
infinityIn your output, the only error is bashisms.19:47
Jelle_well the output link I just pasted19:47
infinityRight, using "sudo bash ./start-jira.sh" would fix the unexpected operator errors.19:48
infinityAnd I see no other errors.19:48
infinityJelle_: Anyhow, this is very much not a support channel.  #ubuntu for Ubuntu support, or some Jira channel for Jira support would be much more appropriate.19:49
Jelle_Oh I'm sorry, I thought this would match devs19:49
Jelle_Couldn't find any jira support channel, excuse me!19:50
sergiusensJelle_: only if it's for dev'ing ubuntu19:50
Jelle_i'm sorry :) good night!19:51
Wellarkwhat super powers I need to be able to target bugs for ubuntu series?19:59
Wellarkright now I can only nominate20:00
Wellarkinfinity: you probably know --^20:01
ogra_Wellark, #ubuntu-bugs does ...20:01
Wellarkoh, we have such channel as well..20:03
infinityWellark: There's a superpower team I can add you to if you make a solid argument for why you need to be in it.20:04
infinityWellark: I'm heading out for lunch, so you have time to convince me while I'm gone. :P20:04
Wellarkinfinity: I'm upstream of i-network, unity-action-api and connectivity-api20:05
Wellarkand would be easier for anyone if I get the powers to handle the targeting myself20:05
Wellarkinfinity: or other option is that I give you the list of multiple dozens of bugs and you can do the targeting for me ;)20:06
Wellarkinfinity: + there will be some other projects coming in during this cycle20:06
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