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| mgedmin | ah the pain that is a kernel update when your / has insufficient free space | 06:33 |
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| Noskcaj | darkxst, Is there anything i can do to speed up the gtk3 transition? | 07:44 |
| Noskcaj | and is it the only thing we're waiting for to and upower? | 07:45 |
| darkxst | they are the two most important | 07:45 |
| Noskcaj | *to land | 07:45 |
| darkxst | for gtk3 it will be a lot of patching Ubuntu themes etc, code fixes | 07:46 |
| Noskcaj | ok | 07:47 |
| darkxst | it would be good to start a thread on -desktop list about it, we are often left out of the loop when it comes to GTK transition. | 07:47 |
| darkxst | Otherwise pushing through the upower transition as soon as possible would be most useful | 07:48 |
| Noskcaj | Actually, do we need gtk3 first for upower? | 07:48 |
| darkxst | no | 07:48 |
| darkxst | upower was 3.12 stuff | 07:48 |
| Noskcaj | I'll prep my PPA so it can be copied straight to ubuntu | 07:49 |
| darkxst | so is BlueZ5 | 07:49 |
| Noskcaj | bluez looks like more of a mess to actually package though | 07:49 |
| darkxst | (I would actually be curious to hear what debian did about that transition) | 07:49 |
| darkxst | if they removed old packages for it, we can probably do the same in vivid, but not sure if it happens via auto-sync | 07:50 |
| darkxst | there is so much stale cruft in the archives, that holds up these already painful transitions | 07:50 |
| darkxst | Noskcaj, It would also be good to fill out the packaging blueprint with more details about what is blocking what etc, I've been meaning to but havent yet | 07:54 |
| berglh | darkxst: I've been going through some tough life stuff at the moment, kind of in the middle of packing my lfe up and moving back to Brisbane, when I have landed and setteled I should have some more time! | 07:57 |
| darkxst | berglh, no problem, whenever you are ready! and all the best with the move back | 07:59 |
| darkxst | things will be pretty quite until gtk+ 3.14 lands anyway | 08:00 |
| darkxst | hopefully that will be in 3-4weeks, but that is complete guess | 08:01 |
| darkxst | Noskcaj, also maybe you can email -devel list and find out what/if any plans there are for ubuntu to implement DEP-11 (for gnome-software) | 08:07 |
| Noskcaj | ok | 08:08 |
| Noskcaj | I'll just ask in irc first in case someone there knows | 08:08 |
| darkxst | sure | 08:09 |
| filipposironi | hey everyone, sorry to bother but I just finished configuring a new Ubuntu GNOME installation with encrypted LVM and I found out a few issues. Basically, the system doesn | 08:27 |
| filipposironi | basically, the system doesn't reliably boot, the first time I switch the power on grub doesn't show any choice and the boot doesn't proceed, after a power cycle grub shows up and I'm asked for my passphrase | 08:29 |
| filipposironi | I also have an issue with the shutdown, which may not end at all requiring me to power off my system the hard way | 08:29 |
| filipposironi | have anyone encountered these issues before? | 08:29 |
| mgedmin | I only tested encrypted LVM once in KVM | 08:36 |
| darkxst | there were some possible issues with LVM in VM's but havent heard of much on real hardware | 08:37 |
| mgedmin | the grub boot menu shows up when the system failed to boot successfully the last time | 08:37 |
| mgedmin | normally it's hidden, unless you press the right key at the right time in the boot process | 08:37 |
| mgedmin | as for failures to shut down | 08:41 |
| mgedmin | I'm experiencing some due to virtualbox | 08:42 |
| mgedmin | http://pad.lv/1373860 | 08:42 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1373860 in virtualbox (Ubuntu) "/etc/rc6.d/K20virtualbox hangs on reboot if a VM is running" [Undecided,New] | 08:42 |
| mgedmin | filipposironi, if a system fails to shut down cleanly, I suggest you use the "magic sysrq" to shut it down semi-cleanly | 08:43 |
| mgedmin | press alt-sysrq (same key as printscreen, usually), then while holding those two keys down press S, wait a second or two until your hard disk LED goes off, then U, then B (to reboot) or O (to poweroff) | 08:44 |
| mgedmin | this will prevent potential disk corruption due to unwritten data in the OS disk cache | 08:44 |
| mgedmin | back to encrypted boot issues: you may want to browse https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cryptsetup and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth | 08:45 |
| mgedmin | those two components are responsible for presenting a password prompt during boot | 08:45 |
| mgedmin | (they're supposed to collaborate) | 08:45 |
| filipposironi | mgedmin, thanks for the suggestion, I'll try at the next reboot . On the grub side, if at the second boot (reboot) grub shows up it means during the first it doesn't ask for my passphrase :S I don't know if the issue is within grub or the system itself then | 08:46 |
| mgedmin | what happens? | 08:47 |
| mgedmin | does it show any text on the screen? | 08:47 |
| mgedmin | does it hang on boot and you hit ctrl-alt-del? | 08:47 |
| mgedmin | does it fail then restart by itself? | 08:47 |
| mgedmin | do any keys work? | 08:47 |
| filipposironi | nope, it just shows a gray-ish screen | 08:47 |
| filipposironi | no logos or whatsoever | 08:48 |
| filipposironi | ctrl-alt-del works | 08:50 |
| filipposironi | other keys don't | 08:50 |
| mgedmin | what have you tried? | 08:50 |
| mgedmin | useful keys to try: esc, alt-left (repeatedly) | 08:50 |
| filipposironi | a maybe useful note, the boot issue is consistent while the shutdown issue sadly is not, which makes it even more complex to analyze | 08:52 |
| filipposironi | apparently, both esc and lalt do nothing interesting | 08:53 |
| mgedmin | a picture of the gray-ish screen might be useful (or not) | 09:02 |
| mgedmin | the background used for the splash screen in ubuntu-gnome is sort of gray-oish | 09:02 |
| mgedmin | but it has a noticeable texture | 09:02 |
| filipposironi | it's the very same gray | 09:02 |
| filipposironi | anyway, I disabled all the graphical things both in the system boot and in grub and the boot became reliable | 09:03 |
| filipposironi | :S | 09:03 |
| mgedmin | what's your graphics hardware? | 09:06 |
| filipposironi | it's an aspeed gpu | 09:20 |
| filipposironi | Aspeed AST2300 to be precise | 09:21 |
| mgedmin | whoa, never heard of those before | 09:22 |
| filipposironi | it's integrated into a server motherboard | 09:25 |
| filipposironi | http://www.asus.com/Commercial_Servers_Workstations/P9DC4L/specifications/ | 09:25 |
| darkxst | filipposironi, not heard of those either, but if the drivers aren't great you will have problems | 09:33 |
| darkxst | thats the main thing keeping linux DE's off Arm hardware as well | 09:33 |
| mgedmin | afaiu this thing has no 3d acceleration and uses xserver-xorg-video-modesetting | 09:35 |
| darkxst | that will be horrid, it should fall back to software rendering, but that is far from ideal | 09:36 |
| filipposironi | I know, this was an headless machine once but it know became my workstation, I'm still waiting for my new GPU to get shipped | 09:39 |
| filipposironi | I hope everything will start working better with my NVIDIA GTX 750 Ti | 09:40 |
| mgedmin | maybe | 09:40 |
| mgedmin | nvidia is not known for linux-friendliness | 09:40 |
| darkxst | mgedmin, nvidia is not know for open-source friendly | 09:41 |
| mgedmin | for gaming nvidia closed-source drivers probably provide best performance and feature support | 09:41 |
| mgedmin | for a regular desktop I'd be happiest with intel graphics | 09:41 |
| darkxst | their linux drivers are first-class and 750Ti runs rock solid here | 09:41 |
| filipposironi | Intel doesn't build PCI/PCIe graphics card as far as I know and my CPU doesn't come with an integrated GPU | 09:45 |
| filipposironi | I was going for NVIDIA since I'll have a multidisplay setup and I found out that NVIDIA works better in this setting than AMD (which may be a little friendlier with respect to FOSS) | 09:46 |
| mgedmin | so does it boot into gnome successfully now? | 09:49 |
| mgedmin | how fast or slow does the desktop feel? | 09:49 |
| filipposironi | anyway, thanks everyone for the kindness | 09:50 |
| filipposironi | yeah, it boots without issues and I couldn't see the shutdown issue anymore | 09:51 |
| darkxst | filipposironi, 750Ti with NVIDIA propriety drivers works great with my 3 monitors here | 09:51 |
| filipposironi | the desktop is really bad since the GPU doesn't go beyond 1024x768 and I've a 1280x1024 LCD attached | 09:51 |
| mgedmin | ouch ouch ouch | 09:52 |
| filipposironi | but as of now, I'm using my laptop to access the machine via SSH while I'm waiting for the new graphic card and the multidisplay setup to be completed | 09:52 |
| darkxst | filipposironi, I run 2x1280x1024 and a full HD TV panel on 750 | 09:53 |
| darkxst | the only thing that won't work is plymouth graphical boot screen, so you don't get the nice GNOME logo at boot | 09:54 |
| filipposironi | I bought two 24" 1920x1080 displays, which I plan on connecting via DVI | 09:54 |
| darkxst | that will work as well | 09:55 |
| filipposironi | so, if the graphical boot doesn't work for you it means I'll have to disabled it too, and type the passphrase as I'm doing now | 09:55 |
| filipposironi | without any fancy graphic | 09:56 |
| darkxst | it uses text mode automatically | 09:56 |
| darkxst | once NVIDIA release their wayland drivers, graphical plymouth should work fine | 09:56 |
| DASPRiD | darkxst, oh, gnome shell finally supports more than 2 monitors? | 09:57 |
| darkxst | DASPRiD, it always has! | 09:57 |
| DASPRiD | i remember in being quite brken some versions ago | 09:57 |
| darkxst | some drivers have issues with it though | 09:57 |
| darkxst | I've been running 3 since about 3.4 | 09:57 |
| filipposironi | darkxst, so I can uncomment the quite splash option in my /etc/default/grub and grub/kernel should be able to figure out everything | 10:00 |
| DASPRiD | darkxst, that is, on a single-head card, right? | 10:01 |
| darkxst | filipposironi, yes, | 10:02 |
| darkxst | DASPRiD, maybe not all the way back then, but for the most part yes | 10:03 |
| LinDol | hi all | 11:12 |
| mgedmin | there's a memory leak in 14.10 + staging ppa | 14:34 |
| mgedmin | this was the 3rd time my laptop died a swappy death | 14:35 |
| octoquad | darkxst, yes both flgrx and flgrx-updates are 2:14.201-0ubuntu2. Just updated from flgrx to fglrx-updates to see if anything would change but it still wants to remove all fglrx packages :( | 17:42 |
| celeRon_ | greetings | 18:58 |
| celeRon_ | Looking to replace windows 8 with Ubuntu Gnome, however, I'm a little puzzled because the UEFI thing isn't allowing me to install | 19:01 |
| celeRon_ | the only work around it is to disable secure boot, which isn't all that great because I use it to protect my system in general, when leaving it unattended. | 19:02 |
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| darkxst | octoquad, can you try boot a live CD and try there, just to rule out any local issues on your system | 21:14 |
| darkxst | if it was really that broken I would expect to have seen dozens of reports by now | 21:14 |
| octoquad | sure | 21:58 |
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