[00:26] <AlbertA> asac: ok, it does point to media-hub client though....
[05:59] <pitti> dobey: FTR, apport doesn't create reports on SIGKILL (that would be quite wrong), so dash crashing is something else than deliberate lifecycle mgmt
[07:09] <dholbach> good morning
[09:26] <Manvindar> is there any ubuntu touch port for MT6592?
[09:39] <manvindar> hello
[09:39] <popey> hi
[09:39] <manvindar> is there any ubuntu touch port for mediatek MT6952 SoC
[09:40] <popey> dont think so
[09:41] <popey> which device has that soc?
[09:41] <manvindar> Alcatel Onetouch Idol X+
[09:42] <manvindar> http://www.gsmarena.com/alcatel_idol_x+-5937.php
[09:42] <popey> nice device!
[09:43] <manvindar> ye but there isnt much resources available to play with it :D
[09:46] <manvindar> so there are no ports for any mediatek SoC's?
[09:46] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Internet Day, and happy Cat Day! :-D
[09:47] <popey> manvindar: there may be
[09:47] <manvindar> hmm
[09:48] <manvindar> thought 6952 had one.....cuz its Octa core
[09:49] <diwic> JamesTait, oh, what a coincidence! Maybe if we could combine "Internet" and "Cat" somehow...hmm...
[09:50] <ogra_> caternet ?
[09:51] <manvindar> intercat
[09:51] <diwic> ogra_, I'm thinking, maybe one could take a photo or video of a cat and share on the Internet...what do you think of that idea?
[09:51] <diwic> I must be the first one thinking that!
[09:53] <JamesTait> diwic, tbf, I thought it went without saying that Internet Day *is* Cat Day.
[09:53] <JamesTait> Because http://youtu.be/zi8VTeDHjcM
[09:54] <ogra_> diwic, hmm, we could form groups around that ... on a centralized web page ... you could personalize it with a picture of your face even ... that you put next to your cat picture collection
[09:55] <popey> It's crazy. It'll never work.
[09:55] <ogra_> and we could call that catbook ...
[09:55] <ogra_> since it shows your cat ...
[09:55] <diwic> wow
[09:57] <diwic> sounds like a flawless plan...but not clawless
[10:36] <oSoMoN> anyone knows who would be the right person to review a url-dispatcher MR? (https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/url-dispatcher/more-sophisticated-urls/+merge/239514)
[10:37] <popey> oSoMoN: charles_
[10:37] <popey> going by https://code.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/url-dispatcher/trunk.14.10
[10:37] <oSoMoN> popey, thanks (I should have thought of looking at the branch history…)
[10:38] <popey> np
[10:42] <coderus> what is the right channel to promote application development for ubuntu touch?
[10:43] <ogra_> coderus, #ubuntu-app-devel
[10:47] <coderus> ogra_: thx
[11:34] <JStalin> how can i disable t9 for certain input, I'm trying to type url and it constantly changes feeds into Leeds
[11:37] <mpt> kemmko, is there a bug report on fixing that SIM PIN dialog you showed me?
[11:41] <JStalin> battery drains extremely fast with wifi enabled on nexus5
[11:43] <brendand> JStalin, which channel are you using?
[11:44] <JStalin> i reinstalled to rtm yesterday
[11:45] <JStalin> i was using devel recently, and it didn't even last 8 hours without much wifi usage, today it seems to be slightly better, but still
[11:45] <brendand> JStalin, rtm devel or -proposed?
[11:45] <JStalin> proposed
[11:45] <brendand> JStalin, hmm ok. maybe a hw specific thing to hammerhead
[11:45] <brendand> tbh hammerhead is not really much supported
[11:49] <step> gt i8552 !!!!!!!
[11:52] <JStalin> but it will be supported in future, right?
[11:52] <ogra_> unlikely
[11:53] <ogra_> there will be pre-installed ubuntu phones soon ...
[12:03] <JStalin> one other funny thing, people talking with me hear their voice back
[12:04] <JStalin> and it doesnt happen on android, so its not hardware issue
[12:25] <mterry> seb128, jgdx: heyo -- I have a review for u-s-s that is targeted for 10/30: https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/ubuntu-system-settings/passphrase-continue/+merge/239367
[12:25] <mterry> What's the scheduling for the next u-s-s release?
[12:27] <jgdx> mterry, hey, I think ken's doing one. Asap I think.
[12:28] <jgdx> mterry, need a review?
[12:28] <mterry> jgdx, yes please!
[12:32] <kemmko> mpt: no, not yet
[12:38] <jgdx> mterry, how do i install unity 8.01?
[12:39] <mterry> jgdx, from the jenkins bot debs in the other unity8 branch
[12:40] <jgdx> mterry, thanks
[12:42] <pngo_> is it possible to send/receive a mms msg?
[12:47] <jgdx> mterry, I thought we did pot updates post merge? :) I.e. lowering noise in mps.
[12:48] <mterry> jgdx, oh I thought I remembered the opposite (though I would love that if true -- I can undo the pot changes)
[12:49] <jgdx> mterry, whatever works for you. The QML looks good.
[12:49] <mterry> jgdx, I'll drop the pot changes, one moment
[12:51] <mterry> jgdx, dropped
[12:51] <mterry> hopefully makes the diff easier to read  :)
[12:53] <seb128> mterry, hey
[12:53] <seb128> mterry, I can do review if still needed
[12:53] <mterry> seb128, jgdx is in process on it, thanks though!
[12:53] <seb128> yw!
[12:53] <mterry> seb128, jgdx: I'm a little uncertain on the timing of landing, since this branch requires the latest (unreleased as of this moment) unity8
[12:54] <seb128> mterry, not sure, we can land in u-s-s trunk, we have  a separate vcs for rtm now and do backports
[12:54] <seb128> so step one is landing in trunk/vivid
[12:54] <seb128> then we can organizer a rtm landing
[13:05] <pngo_> ubuntu 14.10 (r114), nexus 4, can not change time zone. only input shows. keyboard is not showing when input is tapped.
[13:07] <pngo_> can I change time zone via adb?
[13:10] <jgdx> pngo_, anything pertinent in the logs? Can you reproduce it?
[13:10] <jgdx> does the osk pop up anywhere else?
[13:11] <pngo_> jgdx: a reboot fixed it.
[13:11] <pngo_> jgdx, where can I find logs
[13:13] <jgdx> pngo_, depends on what's relevant. If the OSK failed only for the settings application or system wide, e.g.
[13:13] <pngo_> jgdx, in this case only for this app
[13:14] <jgdx> pngo_, then /home/$USER/.cache/upstart/application-legacy-ubuntu-system-settings-.log
[13:19] <pngo_> 2014-10-29 12:40:33,407 - WARNING - file:///usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Components/ListItems/SingleControl.qml:59:14: Unable to assign [undefined] to bool
[13:19] <pngo_> UbuntuWindow - regular geometry
[13:19] <pngo_> 2014-10-29 12:40:33,737 - WARNING - UbuntuClipboard - Got invalid serialized mime data. Ignoring it.
[13:19] <pngo_> 2014-10-29 12:40:40,149 - WARNING - file:///usr/share/ubuntu/settings/system/qml-plugins/cellular/PageComponent.qml:30:1: QML PageComponent: Binding loop detected for property "flickable"
[13:19] <pngo_> 2014-10-29 12:40:43,091 - WARNING - file:///usr/share/ubuntu/settings/system/qml-plugins/cellular/PageChooseCarrier.qml:28:1: QML PageChooseCarrier: Binding loop detected for property "flickable"
[13:19] <pngo_> 2014-10-29 12:40:43,091 - WARNING - file:///usr/share/ubuntu/settings/system/qml-plugins/cellular/PageChooseCarrier.qml:28:1: QML PageChooseCarrier: Binding loop detected for property "flickable"
[13:19] <pngo_> 2014-10-29 12:40:43,144 - WARNING - file:///usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Components/ListItems/SingleControl.qml:59:14: Unable to assign [undefined] to bool
[13:19] <pngo_> 2014-10-29 13:00:56,265 - WARNING - UbuntuClipboard - Got invalid serialized mime data. Ignoring it.
[13:19] <pngo_> 2014-10-29 13:01:04,535 - WARNING - QDBusConnection: name 'org.freedesktop.timedate1' had owner '' but we thought it was ':1.90'
[13:19] <pngo_> 2014-10-29 13:10:08,070 - WARNING - file:///usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Components/ListItems/SingleControl.qml:59:14: Unable to assign [undefined] to bool
[13:19] <pngo_> UbuntuWindow - regular geometry
[13:19] <pngo_> 2014-10-29 13:10:08,461 - WARNING - UbuntuClipboard - Got invalid serialized mime data. Ignoring it.
[13:19] <pngo_> 2014-10-29 13:10:17,406 - WARNING - QDBusConnection: name 'org.freedesktop.timedate1' had owner '' but we thought it was ':1.84'
[13:20] <MacSlow> pngo_, please use pastebin.ubuntu.com for such things
[13:20] <pngo_> sorry
[13:20] <pngo_> I will next time
[13:22] <jgdx> pngo_, you can now reproduce it? Even after the reboot?
[13:45] <barry> stgraber: i think the keyrings on p.s.o are still broken.  afaict, image-signing doesn't sign channels.json
[13:47] <mterry> kenvandine, there you are
[13:48] <mterry> kenvandine, you are prepping a new utopic release for u-s-s?
[13:48] <kenvandine> mterry, not utopic...
[13:49] <kenvandine> mterry, i landed your T&C link fix in vivid and rtm
[13:50] <mterry> kenvandine, OK awesome.  There are some other approved u-s-s branches targeted for 10/30 but haven't landed in trunk yet
[13:50] <mterry> kenvandine, but at least one requires the latest unity8 which isn't in utopic either yet
[13:50] <mterry> kenvandine, was just trying to see how to coordinate them
[13:50] <kenvandine> mterry, yeah, those should land together
[13:50] <kenvandine> mterry, i guess get them together in a silo
[13:50] <mterry> kenvandine, well u8 can land first if it has time to
[13:51] <kenvandine> ok, it won't break settings?
[13:51] <mterry> kenvandine, no it just exposes a property that settings wants
[13:51] <kenvandine> ok, do you know when u8 will land?
[13:52] <mterry> Saviq, what is your timing plan for a u8 utopic release?  there is at least one u8 branch that needs to land before u-s-s does.  Can we bundle a tiny u8 release together with u-s-s or is there an imminent u8 release for utopic?
[13:53] <kenvandine> mterry, you mean vivid and rtm right?
[13:53] <kenvandine> not sure we are doing SRU's for this
[13:53] <mterry> ugh, right.  vivid  :)
[13:53] <kenvandine> good...  :)
[13:54] <Saviq> mterry, today
[13:55] <Saviq> mterry, there's silo 5
[13:55] <stgraber> barry: hmm, I think I know why...
[13:56] <stgraber> barry: try now
[13:56] <Saviq> mterry, which MP?
[13:56] <stgraber> (since channels.json had no reason to change, it never got re-signed with the new key...)
[13:57] <mterry> Saviq, can I add https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/expose-lockscreen-passphrase/+merge/239364 ?
[13:57] <Saviq> mterry, just did
[13:57] <mterry> Saviq, thank you!
[13:58] <mterry> kenvandine, ok -- so everything we need is in silo 5
[13:58] <mterry> kenvandine, would waiting on that slow you down?
[13:58] <mterry> (I don't know when you planned your next vivid release)
[14:00] <kenvandine> mterry, your passphrase continue and shutdown dialog fixes are the ones on the rtm list for this week right?
[14:01] <mterry> kenvandine, yes
[14:01] <mterry> both want changes in u8
[14:01] <kenvandine> mterry, i was going to do one later today that included those 2 and one branch from jgdx
[14:01] <mterry> but only one *requires* it to build
[14:02] <kenvandine> yeah, i was worried about the u8 part :)
[14:02] <kenvandine> i can land jgdx's first
[14:02] <kenvandine> then prepare a second with your's
[14:02] <mterry> kenvandine, ok thank you!
[14:02] <kenvandine> mterry, can you also propose those against the rtm branch?
[14:03] <kenvandine> mterry, it'll speed things up, instead of waiting for the trunk merge then cherry pick
[14:03] <mterry> kenvandine, oh sure
[14:04] <dobey> pitti: yes, i know. that's what i said :)
[14:04] <kenvandine> mterry, thanks!
[14:04] <Wellark> brendand: I know you can appreciate line 37: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8732373/ ;)
[14:05] <oSoMoN> charles_, hey, would you mind reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/url-dispatcher/more-sophisticated-urls/+merge/239514 ? it’s needed as part of an RTM bug fix
[14:05] <brendand> Wellark, nooooooooooooo
[14:05] <Wellark> brendand: yes!
[14:05] <brendand> Wellark, don't do that :/
[14:05] <barry> stgraber: perfect, thanks
[14:06] <Wellark> brendand: there is a valid reason to use two step construction with std::enable_shared_from_this ;)
[14:06] <Wellark> brendand: trust me, I'm an engineer.
[14:06] <Wellark> :P
[14:06] <barry> stgraber: and it's nice to see the phase actually work (at least for one update)
[14:06] <barry> :)
[14:07] <Wellark> with my epic skills and epic gear
[14:07] <Wellark> marcustomlinson: now I broke brendand... :(
[14:08] <Wellark> he probably fainted
[14:08] <Wellark> should we call the medics to his address?
[14:08] <brendand> Wellark, i'm shaking in the corner
[14:09] <brendand> Wellark, having hallucinations of being attacked by the dreaded Cleanup Stack
[14:09] <brendand> oh no here comes Active Object!!!!!
[14:09] <brendand> aaargh
[14:10] <Wellark> brendand: now that you mentioned it....
[14:13] <mpt> “Sorry, the application phablet-config has stopped unexpectedly.”
[14:13]  * mpt wonders why Apport thinks phablet-config is an application
[14:14]  * Wellark proposes a patch to C++14 standard to enable two step constructors as a language feature
[14:14] <jelkner> I all!  Does anyone know anything about a "Flickr example application"?
[14:14] <jelkner> It is referenced here: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/QtLocation.PositionSource/
[14:14] <ogra_> mpt, because it is silly, it does that for all python things
[14:14] <Wellark> it could have the form of <ClassName>(-.-);
[14:14] <jelkner> but I can't find it anywhere.
[14:15] <jelkner> A google search only returns the same link I just posted.
[14:15] <Wellark> mpt: it _is_ an application
[14:15] <ogra_> mpt, gets really funny if you remotely run python scripts on your desktop ... and cant find your apps anymore the next morning underneath the stack of popups
[14:15] <Wellark> apps written in python are apps as well ;)
[14:16] <ogra_> apps usually have a UI though
[14:16] <mpt> Wellark, not in the sense that I meant when I wrote that error message. It’s a terminal command.
[14:16] <ogra_> and are not just scripts
[14:16] <Wellark> well, depends.. :)
[14:16] <Wellark> although would be awesome to have a GUI for all of the phablet- tools
[14:21] <oSoMoN> tedg, is https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/url-dispatcher/more-sophisticated-urls/+merge/239514 targetting the correct branch for a RTM landing?
[14:22] <mpt> Wellark, yes, I’m trying (and failing) to use “phablet-config welcome-wizard --enable”, and I didn’t even know it existed until yesterday … A phone equivalent to <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributorConsole> would be nifty
[14:23] <tedg> oSoMoN, Not sure :-) We don't have an RTM branch for it currently. I guess we could make one.
[14:23] <Wellark> mpt: bug oSoMoN and ogra_ ;)
[14:23] <tedg> oSoMoN, Though I'm not sure we'll ever land something on 14.10…
[14:24] <ogra_> mpt, !
[14:24] <ogra_> mpt, this is sweet !!! why didnt i know about iit
[14:24] <oSoMoN> tedg, would you mind creating one and re-targetting the MR? I’d like to land that today if possible, together with the oxide and dialer-app fixes
[14:26] <ogra_> mpt, phablet-tools will only work with properly set up developer mode indeed ... is that enabled ?
[14:26] <tedg> oSoMoN, sure
[14:27] <mpt> ogra_, with Developer Mode off it displays “subprocess.CalledProcessError: Command 'adb shell ls /home/phablet/.config/ubuntu-system-settings/wizard-has-run' returned non-zero exit status 255” in the terminal. With Developer Mode on, it does the same thing, but in Apport. :-P
[14:27] <mpt> ls: cannot access /home/phablet/.config/ubuntu-system-settings/wizard-has-run: No such file or directory
[14:28] <seb128> does anyone know where to look at a "doesn't receive smses from a specific number"?
[14:28] <seb128> not sure if that's an issue with my other phone or with the carrier or with the ubuntu phone code
[14:28] <seb128>  but sending smses from phone 1 -> 2 works, replying seems to work but 1 never get the reply
[14:28] <seb128>  1 being a krillin and 2 an android phone
[14:28] <ogra_> mpt, hmm, are you sure developer mode is actually on ? we use that phablet-config command on a daily basis in every image smoke test
[14:29] <ogra_> mpt, also is your phablet-tools package up to date with the patest from the phablet-team PPA ?
[14:29] <mpt> ogra_, other than the GUI, how do I tell?
[14:29] <ogra_> adb shell
[14:29] <ogra_> from a terminal
[14:29] <ogra_> or adb devices
[14:33] <charles_> oSoMoN, commented + approved
[14:36] <mpt> ogra_, “adb shell” works fine
[14:37] <mpt> and /home/phablet/.config/ubuntu-system-settings/ indeed does not contain a wizard-has-run directory
[14:39] <ogra_>         adb.shell('sudo -u phablet mkdir -p %s' % config_dir)
[14:39] <ogra_>         adb.shell('sudo -u phablet touch %s' % ran_file)
[14:39] <ogra_> hmm, i see it creating it in the code there
[14:40] <ogra_> oh
[14:41] <ogra_> mpt, please file a bug against phablet-tools and feel free to assign to me
[14:41] <ogra_> i see ti tries to ls the file before the dir exists
[15:03] <tedg> oSoMoN, https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/url-dispatcher/more-sophisticated-urls/+merge/240006
[15:04] <oSoMoN> tedg, seen that, thanks! I just commented to answer charles’ comment
[15:04] <oSoMoN> tedg, charles, the MR looks good to me, can one of you top-approve so I get it in a silo?
[15:05] <tedg> oSoMoN, charles has top approved it.
[15:05] <oSoMoN> ah, I should have refreshed the page :) thanks
[15:05] <charles> :-)
[15:05] <oSoMoN> awesome, now to get it in a silo
[15:07] <oSoMoN> tedg, does url-dispatcher have a manual test plan that I could link to in the landing request?
[15:08] <tedg> oSoMoN, Yes, it still uses the old scope design though. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/Merges/TestPlan/url-dispatcher
[15:09] <tedg> oSoMoN, You'll have to find the wikipedia scope yourself :-)
[15:09] <oSoMoN> :)
[15:23] <mpt> ogra_, nm, I installed all updates and now it works
[15:23] <ogra_> phew
[15:23] <mpt> though the setup still skipped the step I was interested in (setting lock security)
[15:35] <tedg> oSoMoN, So I've got a webapp that I setup with the new fancy splash screen config. Which works, but the browser seems to initialize to white, then the first page (which matches my splash screen color), is it possible to skip that white init?
[15:43] <oSoMoN> tedg, I imagine that happens in the time between the webview is instantiated and the content starts rendering
[15:44] <oSoMoN> tedg, we would need a signal in oxide to notify us when the content starts rendering, and delay showing the webview until then
[15:44] <oSoMoN> tedg, or a cheaper solution would be to wait for the page to be fully loaded, that wouldn’t require an extra signal
[15:45] <oSoMoN> but that would also give the user the impression that the app is slower to start
[15:45] <tedg> oSoMoN, I'm not sure of all the implications of those, but yes, something like that. Perhaps with a time out, fully rendered or 5 secs.
[15:45] <oSoMoN> tedg, can you file a bug to track the issue, against webbrowser-app ?
[15:46] <tedg> Sure
[15:49] <tedg> oSoMoN, bug 1387245
[15:49] <oSoMoN> thanks
[15:50] <oSoMoN> tedg, any chance you can attach your webapp (or a link to its homepage) to the bug, as well as the splash color you use? that would ease reproducing and fixing
[15:51] <tedg> Oh, sure.
[16:00] <jgdx> kenvandine, https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/cellular-split-radio-pref-and-data-fix-1378812/+merge/238304 is gtg for review
[16:00] <jgdx> :)
[16:01] <kenvandine> jgdx, i plan to get it into a silo today
[16:01] <jgdx> nice
[16:01] <jgdx> kenvandine, could you e-mail me when the silo is ready?
[16:33] <oSoMoN> mandel, who handles landing requests for udm?
[16:35] <sergiusens> oSoMoN: I thought the idea of the test plans for landings was that any lander could land stuff
[16:35] <sergiusens> oSoMoN: but mandel owns it in the end
[16:36] <oSoMoN> sergiusens, yeah, I understand that, the question was more, who usually does it? (that’s in reference to bug #1387268, we’re gonna need an upload to utopic and vivid)
[16:37] <sergiusens> oSoMoN: how did that happen? :-/
[16:37] <sergiusens> the bug...
[16:37] <oSoMoN> sergiusens, I guess changes to udm landed in rtm only, whereas webbrowser-app changes landed both in rtm and utopic
[16:38] <oSoMoN> sergiusens, and the question really is: why didn’t the udm changes land in utopic?
[16:38] <sergiusens> oSoMoN: oh, that explains it; but how did the webbrowser land there I guess
[16:38] <sergiusens> oSoMoN: I thought the silo was one atomic thing
[16:38] <oSoMoN> I thought so too
[16:39] <oSoMoN> let’s see if the spreadsheet has the logs for this landing
[16:39] <sergiusens> oSoMoN: so who put the new webbrowser into utopic didn't run the testplan as it clearly would of failed
[16:39] <ogra_> oSoMoN, for utopic you need an SRU ...
[16:39] <ogra_> oSoMoN, does that affect desktop ?
[16:40] <oSoMoN> ogra_, it doesn’t affect the desktop
[16:40] <oSoMoN> only devices
[16:41] <oSoMoN> sergiusens, indeed, the test plan wasn’t correctly run on utopic, it would have failed
[16:41] <sergiusens> oSoMoN: if it only affects devices, we just need to wait for vivid
[16:41] <ogra_> oSoMoN, then ignore utopiic
[16:41] <oSoMoN> sergiusens, that won’t solve it automagically though, the version in vivid still is the same as in utopic, so we need a new landing
[16:41] <ogra_> sure, you can do a vivid only landing
[16:42] <ogra_> point is that forr devices utopic is dead
[16:42] <sergiusens> yeah
[16:42] <sergiusens> there isn't going to be a new image either
[16:42] <ogra_> if we have new images the aliases for  devel ad devel-proposed will be pointing to vivid
[16:42] <sergiusens> 'series' are sort of dead to us
[16:42] <ogra_> right
[16:43] <oSoMoN> good that we don’t have to care for utopic too much (apart from desktop obviously)
[16:43] <oSoMoN> given that the bug only affects devices, fixing it in vivid will be easy (as opposed to doing a SRU)
[16:43] <ogra_> well, there are plans for a 14.10-rtm merger
[16:44] <ogra_> but in that case your rtm landing will simply override whatever comes from utopic
[16:44] <sergiusens> oSoMoN: ogra_ let's just copy_package udm
[16:44] <sergiusens> into vivid
[16:44] <ogra_> feel free
[16:45] <sergiusens> there's no way to test it and it will be overwritten anyways with an override
[16:45] <sergiusens> ogra_: I can't :-)
[16:45] <ogra_> right
[16:45] <ogra_> why ? who moved it to main ?
[16:45] <sergiusens> ogra_: I'm not motu; just ppu
[16:45] <sergiusens> oh wait, let me check if that's on my list
[16:46] <ogra_> i think you got PPU when you did all the uploads for mandel
[16:46] <sergiusens> ogra_: not on my list
[16:46] <ogra_> bah
[16:46] <sergiusens> ogra_: nope; I just do silo landings for him
[16:46] <ogra_> ah, k
[16:47] <ogra_> sergiusens, so from utopic to vivid ro from rtm to vivid ?
[16:53] <sergiusens> ogra_: from rtm to vivid
[16:54] <sergiusens> ogra_: I'd make it source copy only, but your choice
[16:54] <ogra_> indeed, source only
[17:04] <oSoMoN> ogra_, so you’re handling the source copy of udm from rtm to vivid?
[17:05] <ogra_> oSoMoN, yep, after the landing meeting
[17:05] <ogra_> (~1h)
[17:05] <oSoMoN> ogra_, awesome, thanks!
[17:06] <DaSpirit> How stable is Ubuntu Touch, currently?
[17:06] <sergiusens> oSoMoN: the bug for unzip will have a fixed released for vivid most likely, so you can probably dup it
[17:06] <ogra_> enough to go on sale before end of the year
[17:08] <DaSpirit> Great, does the install guide linked in the topic tell you how to dual boot Android and Ubuntu Touch?
[17:08] <ogra_> no
[17:09] <ogra_> thats not officially supported ... so you have to refer to community info7docs for that
[17:09] <ogra_> *info/docs
[17:10] <DaSpirit> Hm, sounds risky.
[17:12] <oSoMoN> ogra_, can you assign bug #1387268 to yourself ?
[17:15] <ogra_> oSoMoN, will do
[17:23] <seb128> hum
[17:23] <seb128> replying from the indicator-message to sms acts like if it was working but it's not
[17:23] <seb128> the sms are not in the messaging app view and don't seem to be sent
[17:23] <seb128> is that a known issue?
[17:23] <seb128> using rtm 135 on krillin
[17:33] <Elleo> sergiusens: wasn't there something that needs recompiling against UDM due to ABI changes; wouldn't that cause issues if you just copied the UDM package without also copying whatever the other thing was?
[17:34] <sergiusens> Elleo: right unity-scope-click... ogra :-)
[17:34] <dobey> sergiusens: did that change land?
[17:34] <sergiusens> ogra_: once udm is done on vivid, can you trigger a rebuild for unity-scope-click
[17:35] <sergiusens> dobey: not on vivid; only rtm
[17:35] <ogra_> sergiusens, i dont think i can without a re-uplaod
[17:35] <sergiusens> ogra_: right, I meant copy package really :-)
[17:35] <sergiusens> feels like we are in a mess :-p
[17:35] <dobey> ogra_, sergiusens: i have a silo with unity-scope-click to copy to vivid, but i was waiting for a vivid image to test it againt
[17:36] <dobey> we are in a mess :P
[17:36] <ogra_> no, we are at the start of a cycle :)
[17:37] <mandel> ogra_, PPU??
[17:37] <ogra_> mandel, per package uploadrights
[17:37] <dobey> and we have a distribution based off the previous cycle, which isn't finished yet :)
[17:37] <ogra_> dobey, right, thats why i dont get why people complain about vivid
[17:38] <ogra_> focus on rtm ....
[17:38] <ogra_> land your stuff in vivid so it doesnt get lost there
[17:38] <dobey> ogra_: because the spreadsheets that track the bugs are broken and looking at the "ubuntu" tasks instead of the "ubuntu-rtm" tasks
[17:38] <ogra_> i expect to have images ready later tonight for vivid ...
[17:38] <mandel> ogra_, ok
[17:38] <ogra_> but that doesnt mean they will boot :P
[17:39] <mandel> sergiusens, oSoMoN AFAIK I did not land anything recently that would break the browser, can you give me a little feedback
[17:39] <mandel> better said, background
[17:39] <dobey> ogra_: the problem is if i just land thigns in vivid without testing them in vivid, i can't be sure if they broke or not
[17:39] <ogra_> dobey, well, if you land things in vivid but systemd breaks services, you wont boot the image anyway ...
[17:40] <dobey> my stuff is already in rtm, and i'm just trying to land it in vivid to be sure it doesn't get lost :)
[17:40] <ogra_> and no, we havent switched to it by default yet
[17:40] <oSoMoN> mandel, it’s not a change in udm per-se that broke it, but the browser is now using a QML type recently introduced in udm (Metadata), which is not available in the utopic version
[17:40] <ogra_> but a lot of daemons come with systemd
[17:40] <dobey> yeah, i know systemd might break stuff when we switch to it
[17:40] <dobey> but that is out of my control :)
[17:40] <ogra_> well, systemd was just an example
[17:41] <ogra_> for desktop isos the general rule of thumb is "if alpha 1 boots" thats good
[17:41] <mandel> oSoMoN, ah, got you, so we have the wrong match between udm + browser
[17:41] <ogra_> and alpha images are like 6 weeks into the cycle or so
[17:41] <ogra_> if we are lucky, vivid will boot
[17:41] <oSoMoN> mandel, yup, exactly
[17:41] <ogra_> but i wouldnt bet on it
[17:41] <dobey> well, that will have to change going forward, if we're going to do this convergence thing
[17:42] <sergiusens> oSoMoN: it's hard with silos, but it would be good for next time to hard depend (>=) on a package's version
[17:42] <dobey> but i guess we'll burn that bridge when we cross it, too :)
[17:42] <ogra_> i assume phone/tablet will regulary have to branch off into rtm
[17:43] <oSoMoN> sergiusens, agreed, I hadn’t realized that we were using a newly introduced type, otherwise I would have requested such a hard dependency
[17:45] <dobey> ogra_: well, if we're going to have a converged platform by 16.04, i think that means we need to be using system images on all platforms, and get off the current archive/deb stuff, and if we have to keep diverging, we're doing the opposite of our goal :)
[17:45] <dobey> anyway
[17:45] <dobey> back to ubuntu-download-manager and unity-scope-click for right now
[17:45] <ogra_> dobey, deb will never go away
[17:45] <Adrian47> Hello, for poritng new ubuntu-touc (based on 4.4.2) should I use ubuntu  or cm Makefile?
[17:46] <ogra_> we need them *at leat* to build the images
[17:46] <ogra_> dobey, and we're not alone in our world ... we cant just break all flavours by switching to a completely rolling model
[17:50] <dobey> sergiusens: what happened to your branch for unity-scope-click? i thought you had one that fixed the tests for the udm change?
[18:02] <sergiusens> dobey: I did, for rtm
[18:02] <sergiusens> dobey: but someone landed webbrowser standalone on utopic
[18:02] <sergiusens> dobey: and obviously didn't run the test plan
[18:02] <sergiusens> dobey: which broke because it's missing udm and in consequence, content-hub and unity-scope-click
[18:05] <dobey> sergiusens: i don't see your branch anywhere, and it's not merged into unity-scope-click, though
[18:06] <sergiusens> dobey: it should of been; was it overwritten maybe?
[18:06] <dobey> i don't see how.
[18:06] <dobey> ok, found the MP
[18:07] <dobey> oh it was merged 2 weeks ago
[18:07] <sergiusens> dobey: 1911 on the archived tab on the spreadsheet
[18:07] <sergiusens> dobey: I can't be held accountable for infra issues :-P
[18:08] <dobey> if it merged 2 weeks ago, why are we having problems today?!
[18:09] <dobey> sergiusens: hrmm, should we just land silo 14 (row 44 in spreadsheet) then?
[18:10] <ogra_> Copy candidates:
[18:10] <ogra_> 	ubuntu-download-manager 0.9+14.10.20141014.1-0ubuntu1 in 14.09
[18:10] <ogra_> Candidate copy target: https://api.launchpad.net/devel/ubuntu/+archive/primary
[18:10] <ogra_> sergiusens, oSoMoN ^^^^is that the version you want ?
[18:11] <ogra_> oops, i should probably better copy to vivid-proposed :P
[18:11]  * ogra_ changes the cmdline
[18:11] <oSoMoN> ogra_, yes, that’s the correct version
[18:11]  * ogra_ hugs the yes/no prompt of copy-package 
[18:12] <dobey> "Are you sure you want to quit? [y/N]"
[18:12] <ogra_> Copy [y|N]? y
[18:12] <ogra_> 1 package successfully copied.
[18:12] <ogra_> :)
[18:20] <sergiusens> dobey: utopic is having problems, not rtm
[18:20] <dobey> sergiusens: utopic?
[18:20] <sergiusens> dobey: and only because someone synced webbrowser into utopic without the others
[18:21] <sergiusens> dobey: yes, utopic
[18:21] <sergiusens> dobey: we are just preemptively fixing it for vivid
[18:21]  * dobey thought utopic was released last week
[18:21] <ogra_> dobey, sad, aint it ?
[18:22] <ogra_> with breakage !
[18:22] <dobey> there was a party and everything. i was there!
[18:23] <dobey> stop living in the past people :P
[18:24] <dobey> sergiusens: so should i rebuild my silo when udm lands into vivid release pocket?
[18:24] <ogra_> stgraber, hmm, now i'm confused ... looking at the /etc/group diff in https://launchpadlibrarian.net/188621599/buildlog_ubuntu_vivid_armhf_ubuntu-touch_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz i see a lot of phablet in there .... and actually that is also in my installed rtm image, how did that not fail when building rtm images ?
[18:24] <ogra_> did you actually mangle the md5 ?
[18:25] <rickspencer3> popey, is it fine for me to post some pics of the new music app?
[18:25] <sergiusens> dobey: yes; testing in vivid is still a no go right?
[18:26] <ogra_> unless someone makes images magically work :P
[18:26] <sergiusens> rickspencer3: it's so fast now that screenshotting is impossible
[18:26] <ogra_> lol
[18:26] <rickspencer3> I'll take that as a very sarcastic "yes" ;)
[18:26] <sergiusens> rickspencer3: but I'm not popey :-)
[18:26] <ogra_> rickspencer3, just dont use album art with nekkid people :)
[18:26] <dobey> sergiusens: yeah, no images built yet
[18:26] <ahayzen> sergiusens, we've managed to halve the startup time :)
[18:27] <jhodapp> magic!
[18:27] <sergiusens> ahayzen: is it releazzzed already?
[18:28] <ahayzen> sergiusens, just letting it settle and checking for bugs...basically final process before a landing hopefully :)
[18:40] <gcollura> nik90, ping
[19:29] <nik90> gcollura_: pong
[19:39] <daker> ogra_: ping
[19:39] <ogra_> daker, yo
[19:39] <daker> ogra_: is it possible to switch channel(from devel to rtm) without loosing stuff data ?
[19:41] <ogra_> sure
[19:41] <ogra_> you can use ubuntu-device-flash ... just dont use --wipe or --bootstrap
[19:42] <ogra_> that will flash over your existing install and not touch home data
[19:42] <ogra_> you will have to reinstall all your clicks though
[19:43] <daker> ogra_: ok, what's the recommended rtm channel ?
[19:43] <ogra_> alternatively you can use system-image-cli --switch (see the help of s-i-cli)
[19:43] <ogra_> devel-proposed ... as usual
[19:44] <ogra_> use --list-channels with ubuntu-device-flash
[19:44] <daker> ok, thanks i'll test that
[19:49] <gcollura_> nik90, are you able to review u1qt merge requests?
[19:49] <nik90> gcollura_: for the u1db project?
[19:49] <gcollura_> nik90, yes sorry for the typo
[19:50] <nik90> gcollura_: do you have a link?
[19:51] <gcollura_> nik90, https://code.launchpad.net/~gcollura/u1db-qt/fix-1387294/+merge/240035
[19:51] <sergiusens> ogra_: you don't need to reinstall all your clicks though
[19:52] <sergiusens> ogra_: only the ones that were once upon a time on the rootfs and magically dissappeared ;-)
[19:52] <ogra_> sergiusens, ah, i never used u-d-f without --bootstrap :)
[19:52]  * ogra_ is OTA all the way ... once installed
[19:52] <sergiusens> ogra_: doesn't erase user or system data
[19:52] <ogra_> yeah, i didnt know about system
[19:52] <daker> ogra_: system-image-cli --switch ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/devel-proposed , right ?
[19:53] <sergiusens> ogra_: that's why I don't mind mount -o remount,rw /; apt install [package]
[19:53] <ogra_> yep
[19:53] <sergiusens> ogra_: as I can full flash and forget :-)
[19:53] <nik90> gcollura_: I think kalikiana would be a better person to review that MP
[19:53] <ogra_> sergiusens, right, thats how i test packages .... and i think we should switch pahblet-tools to that behavior ...
[19:53] <nik90> gcollura_: I initially helped out with the triaging, documentation and testing of u1db branches
[19:53] <ogra_> it seems way cleaner than having everything writable
[19:54] <ogra_> especially since we reboot once after touching the file ... you never know what gets touched on boot ... or shutdown ... so your system could be different
[19:54] <sergiusens> ogra_: I would normally agree, yes; mostly so for silo testing
[19:55] <ogra_> right, thats what i mean
[19:55] <ogra_> writable-image should actually give you a fully writable rootfs and wipe /etc/system-image/writable-paths
[19:56] <ogra_> i.e. all bind mounts and everything
[19:58] <gcollura_> nik90, ok no problem :)
[19:58] <Adrian47> Hello, for porting new ubuntu-touch (based on 4.4.2) should I use ubuntu or cm Makefile?
[20:43] <daker> ogra_: works, data and apps are still here :)
[21:44] <ybon> humm, I don't see anymore the setting to change the date format from 12AM/PM to 24h. Any idea?
[21:44] <ybon> sorry, the *time* format
[22:03] <pngo_> Yesterday I upgraded my phone to ubuntu-rtm channel and I found that Notes are not there. How can I install it?
[22:04] <anpok> from the store
[22:07] <pngo_> but why I have to log in/create ubuntu one account in order to install it?
[22:20] <pngo_> Can I install it via apt-get?
[22:57] <popey> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTgyNTM lolz
[23:05] <sergiusens> popey: wth!
[23:05] <popey> also http://liliputing.com/2014/10/ut-one-tablet-ubuntu-touch-coming-december.html
[23:05] <popey> same young, enthusiastic guy who did https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/560448486/operating-system-u
[23:56] <Wellark> we probably should hurry with the tablet interface http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTgyNTM
[23:57] <Wellark> XD
[23:59] <Wellark> Saviq: start whipping! ;)