carlosHello, guys01:22
ObrienDaveGreetings & Welcome01:22
carlosI screwed up with xubuntu video drivers, and now display is super slow.01:23
carlosHow do I fix it?01:23
ObrienDavewhich video card?01:23
carlosIt says it is an ATI radeon, but aticonfig finds no chip01:24
carloscarlos@Aspire-5517:~$ aticonfig01:24
carlosaticonfig: No supported adapters detected01:24
ObrienDavewhat tells you it's a radeon?01:25
carlosThere is a sticker here saying ATI Radeon Graphics01:26
ObrienDavek. is it dedicated or shared memory?01:26
carlosShared, I suppose01:27
* ball burns Xubuntu 14.10 to a blank DVD01:34
LinusTorvaldIIi havent tried 1410 yet01:44
ballI should go and test it.01:45
* LinusTorvaldII wonders about 1410...01:45
ballNeed to find a wireless NIC first though.01:45
ballI'll be back later.01:45
LinusTorvaldIImaybe ill drop it in my VM01:45
LinusTorvaldIIxubuntu has always intrigued me, it is advertised as "lighter/faster than ubuntu" but all the testing data says it uses slighty more ram...makes no sence, less features built in at default, more ram usage?01:47
holsteinLinusTorvaldII: with all statements like that, you can always assume ymmv.. depends mostly on how well the hardware support the linux kernel01:48
LinusTorvaldIIcan anyone explain this phenomena?01:48
holsteinLinusTorvaldII: i am trying.. hardware support is the main explanation01:48
LinusTorvaldIIok, well i guess that covers it-thanks.01:49
holsteindrivers.. if you installed the 3d driver that would best support unity or gnome3's d3 requirement, they may make the system run "better".. or seem peppier01:49
Unit193Also, Xubuntu doesn't advertise itself as the lightweight OS, though you'd have to prove to me that it's heavier than Ubuntu.01:49
xanguaxubuntu does has as many services enabled by default as ubuntu, you can try disabling 'gnome services' LinusTorvaldII01:49
holsteinyou could be comparing ubuntu 14.04 and xubuntu 14.10.. thats not an apples to apples comparison.. since, the kernel is different01:49
* ObrienDave sticks to LTS01:50
LinusTorvaldIIi have a hard believing it also but have read it on the internet several times over the years, back in the days around 904 it was very fast.01:50
Unit193Check top/htop to see what's running.01:50
holsteinLinusTorvaldII: try it yourself on your actual hardware.. you can read literally *anything* online..01:50
LinusTorvaldIIone moment01:53
holsteinLinusTorvaldII: if you are going to to *realistic* comparisons of unity and xfce, i suggest you spend more than one moment.. i would actually install them both on the same hardware.. though, you could get a pretty good idea in VM, or with live iso's.. depending on how well the hardware supports linux01:54
LinusTorvaldIIwell it will be fair then, because they are both going to be in this machine right here01:57
LinusTorvaldIIboth will be in the same vm too01:57
LinusTorvaldIIits an i7-4770, 1tb HDD, 12gb ram and gtx 645 1gb gddr5.01:58
LinusTorvaldIItoo me it should use a lot less ram and run a lot faster01:59
xanguaubuntu unity 12.04 uses almost the same ram that gnome2 after disabling some of ubuntu services that come enabled by default01:59
xanguadid you already disabled gnome services?01:59
LinusTorvaldIIi havent even got the xubuntu download yet01:59
LinusTorvaldIIbut i have 1404 ubuntu in vm now02:00
holsteinyou can save a snapshot, and "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop"..02:00
ray_does anyone know how to keep the desktop icons from rearranging every time I log in?  They used to stay static brfore I upgraded to 14.1002:01
relaxedray_: right click on the desktop, I think there's an option for what you want.02:02
LinusTorvaldIIsays download will be done in 6 minuted02:02
LinusTorvaldIIthis will be interesting, always wondered about this.02:03
holsteinLinusTorvaldII: great!.. feel free to chat in the #xubuntu-offtopic channel02:03
LinusTorvaldIIim in that channel now actually02:05
neotronHi every one02:15
neotroni need help plz ?02:15
ObrienDave!ask | neotron02:15
ubottuneotron: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience02:15
neotronhow can i delete guest user from the login screen and thanks02:16
neotroninfo: i'm new in xubuntu i don't know nothing02:16
Unit193allow-guest=false in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf02:16
ObrienDaveedit file ^^^02:17
neotronthanks man02:17
neotronedit with nano command ? or gedit02:18
ObrienDaveeither one02:18
neotroncool thanks alot02:18
neotronanother question plz ?02:21
neotronWhen i type su + entre he ask me the password but i don't know what password he is talking about can any one help me plz ?02:22
ray_your own password02:23
neotronhe don't accp it02:24
neotronthe same password i log with ?02:25
neotronhe give me this : su: Authentication failure02:26
ObrienDaveyes, the same password you logon with02:27
neotroni will try again02:28
neotronthanks for helping guys02:28
ObrienDavethat's what we get paid for. oops, NOT paid for LOL02:29
neotrondon't want work02:30
xubuntu17wgood morning from germany02:30
neotrongood night02:30
neotronfrom my contry02:30
xubuntu17w I habe problems with defekt Line 55 Quellliste /etc/apt/  Uri-parse after update installation02:32
xubuntu17wI had also post this terrible problem in www.ubuntusers.de, but this guy's piss me off02:34
xubuntu17wthey  a02:34
neotronsorry i cant help you02:35
holsteinxubuntu17w: after update of what? to what?02:35
neotronbecause i'm new in linux02:35
xubuntu17wthan synaptic and softwarecenter was down02:36
holsteinxubuntu17w: which is that? what you updated from ?or to?02:36
neotroncan this fix your problem * sudo apt-get update * ??02:36
holsteinxubuntu17w: those just access the repositories.. the repositories were down?02:36
xubuntu17wit was a actualisierung02:36
* ObrienDave chokes Google translate02:37
holsteinxubuntu17w: ok.. since thats "past tense" and you are saying "was".. then, lets move on02:37
neotronor try sudo apt-get upgrade02:37
holsteinxubuntu17w: whats the issue?02:37
xubuntu17wnothing with  sudo ----02:37
neotronthis is what i know in linux :)02:37
xanguaxubuntu17w: is english your native language?02:37
xubuntu17wdo not working02:37
holsteinxubuntu17w: what is not working?02:37
ObrienDave!de | xubuntu17w02:38
ubottuxubuntu17w: In den meisten Ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuche bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Einfach "/join #ubuntu-de" eingeben. Danke für Dein Verständnis!02:38
xubuntu17wmy english geht so lala hab auf shipyards und us - baracks english gesprochen , nur ist das 30 jahre her,02:40
neotronguys any books for beginners like me to understand linux ?02:40
neotronhave a nice day02:40
holsteinneotron: plenty of resources.. i would pick something specific, and take that on..02:40
neotronok thanks02:41
xubuntu17wHolstein where do you from, I live in Ploen!02:42
neotronguys i forget the password of my root user how can i get it back plzzz02:43
xanguathere is no root pasword for default in *ubuntu02:43
holsteinxubuntu17w: US02:44
holstein!sudo | neotron02:45
ubottuneotron: sudo is a command to run command-line programs with superuser privileges ("root") (also see !cli). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !gksu (GNOME, Xfce), or !kdesudo (KDE). If you're unable to execute commands with sudo see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo02:45
neotronthanks alot02:45
neotronhave a nice day guys03:16
neotroncya and thanks for help03:16
LinusTorvaldIIcool simplistic xubuntu desktop http://i.imgur.com/8lfYHnS.jpg03:20
neotronHi guys03:37
neotronthis command dont want work for me lshal03:37
neotronwhat to do ?03:37
holsteinneotron: what are you trying to do?03:37
neotronthis command dont want to work03:38
holsteinneotron: in a larger sense, friend.. what are you trying to accomplish?03:38
neotroni dont know what this command do i just found it in net03:38
holsteinneotron: dont do that03:39
neotroni'm new in linux  i dont know nothing03:39
neotroncan you explain this command for me plz ?03:39
xanguayou know nothing and you want to run random commands you found?03:39
holsteinneotron: thats *not* a good way to learn.. but, thats a good way to break the system, or allow someone to compromise your machine..03:39
ObrienDaveor re-install a LOT of times03:39
holsteinneotron: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/intrepid/man1/ls.1.html03:39
neotronya i try to understand commands job03:40
neotronlike nano job ps aux03:41
holsteinneotron: try going the other way.. like, im trying to accomplish this task .. what are some ways to do that03:41
holsteinneotron: you wont set down in a few hours and learn all the commands and what they do03:41
theKrnlM_eni bardy elsw?03:42
neotronbecause i lost years using windows03:42
theKrnlM_Есть кто живой03:42
neotronrussa lol03:43
neotronkakjla theKrmlM_03:44
theKrnlM_pzl  f*ck  не ебите мозги03:44
theKrnlM_Мама роди меня обратно в Виндовс03:44
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ObrienDavewait! full moon is next week ;P03:50
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theKrnlM_i need driver04:23
xanguado you need a car too¿04:24
ballHey, it works!04:26
ballI installed Xubuntu 14.10 amd64 on my daughter's PC.04:27
xanguaawesome ball04:30
xanguathere is also ubuntu mate now, a little more friendly04:31
vrkalakball, she like it?04:31
ballxangua: This looks pretty clean and straightforward.04:31
ballWhiskers took a little getting used to but it's growing on me.04:32
ballvrkalak: She hasn't seen it since I reimaged it but she liked the older version it used to run.04:32
ball...and Qimo, which it ran before that.04:32
xanguaquimo used xfce right?04:33
* ball nods04:33
ballQimo was Xubuntu-based.04:33
ballNow I need to find some educational programs and perhaps games that would suit a ten-year-old.04:36
ObrienDavetry edubuntu04:37
ballObrienDave: Thanks, I'll try some of those packages.04:41
Unit193Look to see what the meta packages depend on, right.04:43
ballThe Edubuntu Website lists some of them.04:44
ballGoodnight everyone!05:03
theKrnlM_exit coffee05:33
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ManloveStarting to get a headache with this new Xubuntu... I installed disk managment.. Where do I find it to run it?06:55
cfhowlettManlove, try the terminal06:56
ManloveAwesome.. What would I type since software center calls it 'disks'06:56
cfhowlettManlove, but I know how to find it.  dpkg -l | grep disks*06:57
ManloveIt's gnome disk utility I'm trying to open06:58
cfhowlettManlove, dpkg -l | grep gnome*            will list all the gnome packages.   your's will be on the list06:59
ManloveSo just out of curiosity.. why don't things show up in the  start menu anymore07:00
cfhowlettManlove, it's probably there, you just don't see it.  if I had to guess: system > gnome-disk         would be the location07:01
ManloveCan't find it or launch it... it's in the terminal list07:01
relaxedManlove: "dpkg -L foo" will list all the files installed from foo. Look for /bin/something07:02
cfhowlettManlove, could be a terminal only command ...07:03
ManloveI know it's installed. It's just not opening with anything...07:03
cfhowlettManlove, huh.  cancel the command and run it again with --verbose          that should show something.07:04
ManloveI could just give up completely on Xubuntu... it's nothing but problems and so slow anymore... when I log in. I get "critical system error... wish to report".... on 11.10. I never had a problem07:04
relaxedManlove: Did you upgrade to 11.10?07:07
Manlovefresh install07:07
relaxedyou meant 14.10, correct?07:08
cfhowlettManlove, try lubuntu.  it's optimized for older hardware.  and use LTS only; 14.04.1 at present07:09
ManloveI used to love xubuntu... but I don't get why since 12 it's just been so slow... I have a 64bit system.. which is supposed to = fast07:10
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xubuntu79wsomebody knows what flash doesn't work at xubuntu? ¿alguien sabe por que flash no funciona en XUbuntu?10:42
knomexubuntu79w, it does for me; maybe describe your problem more accurately?10:47
xubuntu79wI can't use a elearning platform where I need to see some videos. (No puedo usar una plataforma elearning donde necesito ver videos)10:49
xubuntu79wI use a legacy pc, with a Ati radeon 9200. But the drivers doesn't have installed in my pc (uso un pc antiguo con una tarjeta ati radeon 9200, pero los drivers no se han instalado10:51
xubuntu79wsorry for my English (perdón por mi inglés)10:52
xubuntu79wI think that problem are ati drivers (pienso que el problema son los drivers de ati)10:54
xubuntu79wbut I don't know how install them. (pero no se como instalarlos)10:54
knomexubuntu79w, this is an english only channel, so no reason to write it in spanish too; you can use #ubuntu-es if you want to get support in spanish though10:54
Guest67040Hello, guys11:08
Guest67040What is xubuntu`s xorg.conf file?11:08
knomeGuest67040, xubuntu does not use a xorg.conf file by default11:08
Guest67040How do I make it use it?11:09
knomeGuest67040, just create one and it will be used11:11
nomicappears to be no way of turning off screen saver on xubuntu 14.0411:19
nomicwhy is this screen saver kicking in11:19
nomic"light locker" I killed11:19
nomicthis is ridiculous11:19
nomicthey mess around with things that work11:20
knomenomic, stop complaining now.11:20
nomicwhy is my screen going blank - what more can I do11:20
nomicxset -- xset s off xset s noblank xset s 0 011:21
nomiclight locker disabled11:21
nomicthe screen still blanks11:21
cfhowlettnomic, purge xscreensaver - it can conflict lightlocker.  choose one or the other11:24
nomicsudo apt-get remove xscreensaver?11:24
cfhowlettnomic, apt-get purge xscreensaver11:24
nomic'xscreensaver is not installed'11:25
cfhowlettnomic, then screenblank is coming from your power settings or from lightlocker11:25
nomicboth are turned off -- still it blanks11:26
cfhowlettnomic, see your logs to track the trigger, dmesg I think11:26
neotronGood morning11:44
neotronHow are you guys ?11:45
knomedo you have a support question?11:45
neotroni on my laptop this morning11:46
neotronbut he didn't give me the screen to entre my password11:46
neotronhe just stay loading and loading11:46
neotroni get in by chance11:46
neotronCtr + Alt11:47
neotronCtr + Alt + F511:47
neotronafter that  my user and password11:47
neotroni said he will be fixed11:48
neotronwhen i rebooted the machine he didnt he still loading and loading11:48
knomedid you recently upgrade your system or package?11:48
knomeare you using PPA's?11:48
neotronknome i'm new in linux11:48
neotroni just start stay it  5 days11:48
neotroni make update11:49
neotronand upgrade11:49
knomeok, so which xubuntu version are you running now?11:49
relaxednomic: what does `xset q| grep Stand` return?11:49
neotronxubuntu 6411:49
knomeneotron, no, which version (eg. 14.04, 14.10...) ?11:50
neotroni really don't know11:50
neotroni think the last one11:50
neotronthere is a way to know ?11:50
knomeneotron, in a terminal, type "lsb_release -r" (without the quotes)11:51
neotronok thanks11:51
Jan555Hi! Anyone knows, if there is a known bug with default applications in xubuntu 14.10? I can't change it, so that e.g. ristretto is the default viewer for jpg files.11:54
Jan555They always open Firefox. I changed the default application in the "open with..." dialog, but it does not work.11:55
neotronSorry i'm new in linux11:56
neotronknome plz any help ?11:56
Jan555In the properties of a (sample) jpg, it states "Open With: Ristretto", but on double-click the image is opened in Firefox11:56
knomeneotron, i don't have the answer to your question at this time; maybe others who know the answer will turn up at some point11:57
neotronok thanks11:57
neotronJan55 try to unstall firefox11:57
neotronand install it again11:57
nomicsorry was afk ..says standby 0 suspend 0 off 011:59
nomicrelaxed sorry was afk ..says standby 0 suspend 0 off 012:00
neotronany command to fix the whole system ?12:03
neotronGuys i need help i cant log in he just load and load i need to ( Ctr+Alt+F5 ==>user:***** password:****** : after this i type: startx ) this is the only way i found to get in plz help me12:07
neotronHello guys i fixed the problem12:23
knomegood to hear - how did you resolve it?12:24
neotroni want off the guest account12:24
neotronand i add this (allow-guest=false)12:25
neotronin /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf12:25
neotronthis will not work alone12:25
neotronyou should add [SeatDefaults]12:25
neotronand add this allow-guest=false12:25
neotroni love linux12:26
neotronhe make your use your brain12:26
neotroni deleted windows12:26
neotronthanks guys12:27
knomeyou're welcome - and enjoy12:28
neotronthanks you too12:29
alexfrenchhello is there here anybody to know how to receive hotmail mail on thunderbird ??13:29
livingdaylightUbuntu software is giving me gtk and qt versions of avidemux.13:30
baizonalexfrench: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/thunderbird-and-hotmail13:30
livingdaylightIs GTK the better option for xfce?13:30
alexfrenchthanks baizon i do search on google and it gives myself such information13:31
alexfrenchbut in french13:31
baizonlivingdaylight: yes imo13:31
caliberhello guys13:50
Avichow can i install xubuntu in ubuntu trusty?13:51
Aviccan i install vnc4server with it too?13:52
Avicthank you13:52
alexfrenchno need to install a new distribution no ??13:54
alexfrenchmaybe you just change your desktop to xfce no ??13:54
Avici have ubuntu trysty in the server, i need a desktop enviornment. so i was thinking about the xfce, but in ubuntu is named xubuntu13:55
jalrnchow about: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop13:57
cfhowlettAvic, or for gui only : sudo apt-get xfce413:57
Avicand it works with kde too?13:58
Avici like kde better, but kubuntu is huge13:58
knomeAvic, if you're running a server, you probably want to avoid as many GUI things as you can13:59
cfhowlettAvic, you are bouncing all over here.  KDE is a desktop environment.  xfce4 is a desktop environment.  choose one.13:59
cfhowlettAvic, what knome said.  more gui = less server13:59
knomeAvic, adding in KDE and using it does bring the same overload to your system as kubutnu (except the settings, additional apps etc)13:59
Avichmm, ok13:59
knomebut same goes for xfce; it will bring overhead14:00
Avicand lubuntu?14:00
Avicthe same...14:00
knomesame for lubuntu too.14:00
cfhowlettAvic, you have  server.  why do you need a desktop environment?14:01
Avicok, what is the easyest and lightwait, lxde or xfce to use vnc?14:01
cfhowlettAvic, vnc14:01
knomeAvic, lxde ought to be lighter, but it all depends what you do14:02
Avici want to access some spplications with gui14:02
Avicnot all the time14:02
knomeAvic, ultimately running any DE doesn't add very different amount of load to the network (except maybe KDE)14:02
knomeonly the server14:02
knomeif you use vnc, you will have a certain amount of load to transfer the GUI stuff over anyway14:03
Avici tried freenx yesterday all day... i install it successfully, but couldn't access the server desktop environment14:04
Avicusing the nomachine as the client software, a nightmare...14:05
Avici'm so very frustrated that now iḿ going back to vnc again14:05
Avicso much time waisted14:06
Avici'm on this for days finding the best protocol14:06
Avicknome, its basic sfuff, nothing special, and use the gui sometimes to see how linux works14:08
Avicuse some apps, not all the time14:08
Avicso it will be ubuntu 14.04 -> lxde + vnc14:14
Avicis this possible?14:14
Avici can't loose any more time with this, i want this configure today.14:15
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sleeziohello, anyone know of the xfce4-weather-plugin 0.8.3 coders are fixing the weather plugin?15:41
sleezioi just noticed it's no longer working15:41
alexfrenchi don't know15:44
sleezioi found the github page, i see whats going on with it, thanks anyway15:48
pleia2last I knew the fix was in the -proposed repository15:51
sleeziotheir main page states you need to rebuild source with 2 patches15:52
brainwashalready fixed15:53
brainwashjust update your system15:53
LeMikesome program fetches my ctrl+f12 but I don't want that. Is there any way to find out which app it is?15:54
LeMike(nothing happens when I press it, while my IDE should do stuff)15:55
sleezioaaah, i see, just needed to remove plugin from panel and replug for update to kickin15:57
brainwashright, or relog once15:57
alexfrenchgcc seems to be installed on my xubuntu, but if i should like to use it with an ide which one is the easier ?16:10
alexfrenchi see in ubuntu logitheque codeblock:ide one16:11
Adephitanyone knows how the ~/.vnc/xstartup should look like with the lubuntu?16:14
vrkalakAdephit, try #lubuntu16:32
Adephiti'm there already, thanks16:32
Adephitbut no answer,i'm waiting16:32
Adephiti think i found how, but going to test16:33
alexfrenchwhich ide for gcc ??17:18
Hedgeworkpeople still use IDEs?17:23
* Hedgework ducks17:23
Hedgeworkalexfrench: In all seriousness, IDEs are very much a matter of personal workflow and preference.17:23
Hedgeworkalexfrench: I prefer an editor to an IDE, and try to nudge newbie coders in that direction for a variety of reasons, but it's not the One Right Way or anything.17:23
alexfrenchso it is better to get stuck on terminal with gcc an make all by hand ??17:24
alexfrench on amiga i used to do by hand with gcc too17:25
alexfrenchand later with stormc17:26
ubottu#xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!17:30
Hedgeworkalexfrench: feel free to pm if you'd like to continue the convo.17:38
Hedgeworkbrainwash: Apologies, didn't look at what buffer I was in before answering.17:38
alexfrenchthanks Hedgework  but now i have to go, in fact i switch on my pc17:45
alexfrenchthere i am on virtualbox17:46
xubuntu852Hey... Anybody know how I can get a count of open gui windows in a shell script?17:48
brainwashxubuntu852: install wmctrl17:50
brainwashwmctrl -l  pints a list of current managed windows17:51
xubuntu852thanks so much buddy... that looks like it'll really help17:51
xubuntu852you know if it'll work okay with stuff running under wine?17:51
xubuntu852need a count of windows opened from an app that has to run from wine17:52
brainwashthe wine windows are managed by the window manager (xfwm4), so just try it17:53
brainwashyou will have to parse the output of wmctrl -l17:53
brainwashmaybe add some more parameters to tweak the output17:54
xubuntu852thanks again brainwash... works great buddy and the help is super appreciated I've been looking for a solution for a while now18:01
isjustmei tried 2 firewalls firestarter and gufw and i still have a port open are the firerwalls not working on xubuntu 12.04? on gufw the status says ON so anyone know what is wrong?18:05
ubottuUbuntu, like any other Linux distribution, has built-in firewall capabilities. The firewall is managed using the 'ufw' command - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UFW | GUI frontends such as gufw and ufw-kde also exist. | An alternative to ufw is the 'iptables' command - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo18:14
brainwashisjustme: you will have to configure the preferred firewall properly18:17
brainwashI doubt that there is a xubuntu specific issue18:17
AirbanderHi every one18:49
AirbanderGood ?18:49
AirbanderHow make backup on linux ? i'm using XUbuntu18:50
isjustmei havent backup on ubuntu yet18:51
Airbanderso you are new in linux ?18:51
AirbanderI'm :)18:51
ubottuThere are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning18:51
isjustmeno but never backup on linux18:51
Airbanderthanks ubottu18:51
Airbanderi have another question18:52
pleia2ask away :) that's what this channel is for18:52
AirbanderI didnt use swap partition or /home nothing i just installed the OS using all the drive is that good or not ?18:52
Airbanderi mean in one partition18:53
isjustmenormally when i would start a firewall it would stealth all and didnt have to put rules but now when i tried firestarter firewall and gufw it not doing it the firewall is on but the firewall test are still showing port open and not stealth18:53
brainwashit's bad if you run out of memory.. or if you want to hibernate the system18:54
Airbandereven if i have 8Go ?18:54
brainwashother than that it should be fine to run a system without swap partition18:54
Airbanderok thanks very much guys18:55
Airbanderi just take my deforce from windows18:55
sinelawHow do I make the window border (for resizing) less sensitive? I'm officially ready to punch myself next time I have to resize a window.19:12
deshipuyou can hold down alt and click anywhere in the window19:15
deshipuinstead of using the border19:15
deshipuone mouse button for moving, the other for resizing19:15
kgbsinelaw: don't forget to 'hide contents' (IF u want..:)); bc it *will* make life easier; especially on slower machines: http://s29.postimg.org/6e54xoj3r/Screenshot_10292014_08_17_26_PM.png19:19
kgb*err though eye think it's teh default option19:20
sinelawdeshipu, thanks! that helps. do you know how to also decrease border sensitivity?19:20
kgbp.s. it's always *best* NOT to mess w/teh default options..:) IMO :D19:21
sinelawthe defaults are very hard to use in this case.19:22
sinelawand should be changed19:23
deshipusinelaw: I guess you could use a window theme that has smaller borders19:25
sinelawsmaller borders?19:26
sinelawthe problem is that it's impossible to place the mouse in the correct location for stretching the window19:26
ubottuUbuntu bug 1056978 in xfwm4 (Ubuntu) "Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult" [Undecided,Confirmed]19:27
sinelawridiculous to not fix this19:27
brainwashuse a theme with wider borders?19:28
pleia2sinelaw: http://xubuntu.org/news/window-resizing-in-xubuntu-and-xfce/19:28
pleia2or use one of the other mechanisms for resizing borders, as described ^^19:28
pleia2I haven't used border gripping resize in ages19:29
sinelawpleia2, that page talks about whether or not the resize grip works at all / is available on all applications19:29
sinelawpleia2, what I'm saying is that it's too hard to grab, not that it isn't available19:29
pleia2sinelaw: the link I gave? it gives you alternatives to using the resize grip if you're having trouble with it due to thin borders19:31
sinelawpleia2, true, but the problem it discuss with the resize grip is not that it's hard to use, and it doesn't explain how to make it easy to use.19:31
pleia2yes, it's trying to help you solve the problem in a different way19:32
sinelawpleia2, it's good that there are other ways to resize but it doesn't solve the actual problem. people expect to be able to resize with the grip19:32
knomesinelaw, change the theme19:32
sinelawi'll try that, but intuitively the area around the window should be sensitive to grabbing as well (regardless of the theme)19:33
knomesinelaw, it's not; you can file a feature request and hope it is picked up, but don't expect that to happen soon19:34
sinelawthe bug I linked to is exactly what I'm saying.19:35
knomeok, then you've done what you can. thanks for the bug report, and good luck getting it picked up19:35
sinelawthanks, but I did not report it ;) it was opened in 2012. I understand it's an open source project. thanks for all the work.19:36
knomesinelaw, you're welcome19:36
sinelawincidentally, xfwm is cool. i tried gnome 2, gnome 3, kde, etc. and they all overcomplicate or oversimplify. xfwm should be the default for any user that comes from windows, especially the whisker menu thingy19:38
brainwashthe bug is marked as won't fix upstream19:38
brainwashbasically, someone needs to implement this feature and provide a patch19:39
NeotronHi guys20:27
Neotroni need help plz20:27
Neotronwhen i start RecordeMyDesktop i cant find him to stop recording my desk20:27
Neotronhow can i add him to the panel20:28
Neotronand thanks20:28
brainwashNeotron: did you install the graphical interface?20:31
brainwashshould be gtk-recordmydesktop20:31
brainwashI'm not familiar with this application, but I assume that you are missing a tray icon to stop the recording, right?20:33
Neotroni think yes20:34
Neotronthere is another program to us ?20:35
Neotroni just found20:36
Neotronsimple screen recorder20:36
Neotronkazma either20:36
brainwashthere are quite some screencast apps available in the repo20:37
matrixa1Anyone on 14.10 noticing that laptop batteries never stop charging even after being fully charged?21:09
matrixa1Fujitsu NH532 here, and this never occurred on 14.0421:09
brainwashwhat does "upower --dump" report? open a terminal window and run this command21:11
brainwashcould be a known issue or a hardware problem21:12
matrixa1brainwash, http://pastebin.com/9ycJuhmx21:17
matrixa1brainwash, i reacted only because it didn't occur until after the upgrade. Charging/discharging repeatedly pops up around 91%/90%21:19
brainwashmatrixa1: not sure, if it is a bug, please file a bug report on launchpad21:22
ubottuIf you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs.21:22
brainwashmaybe trying a newer kernel version could help to identify the culprit21:23
matrixa1that's one solution21:24
matrixa1or the fact that I had TLP installed during the distro upgrade21:24
brainwashit's not installed anymore?21:24
brainwashyou could also boot into live mode and do some testing21:25
matrixa114.04 behaves as advertised21:25
brainwashdownload the 14.04 and 14.10 iso21:25
matrixa1tried removing it TLP, and installing laptop-mode-tools too21:26
matrixa1tried removing TLP*21:26
matrixa1but none of those should have any impact as they're just power saving21:26
brainwashok, so trying a newer kernel version is the way to go21:26
matrixa1got any reliable PPA for that?21:27
brainwashit's not the usual PPA, you will have to download and install the deb packages manually21:28
brainwashthe v3.18-rc2-utopic build is broken21:29
brainwashuse v3.18-rc2-vivid if you want to try the latest kernel version21:29
matrixa1fixed it, changed power manager21:40
matrixa1and loaded an additional kernel module21:41
matrixa1thanks for your help brainwash21:41
jeblairhi, i still have the black-screen-on-unlock problem after an upgrade to 14.10 even after following the steps in http://xubuntu.org/news/laptop-users-fix-available-for-the-black-screen-on-unlock-bug/22:09
jeblairi set HandleLidSwitch=ignore in /etc/systemd/logind.conf so that logind does not always suspend on lid close (i have configured xfce power manager to only suspend on lid close when on battery)22:14
knomejeblair, if you could file a bug explaining your situation we would be able to gather more data and figure out what's still wrong for some people22:15
knomethere was some process to debug that (and get it working), but i just don't remember that...22:16
jeblairknome: looks like these are the relevant bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1259339  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/130373622:17
ubottuUbuntu bug 1303736 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1259339 [SRU] Black screen after wakeup from suspending by closing the laptop lid" [High,Fix released]22:17
ubottuUbuntu bug 1303736 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "[SRU] Black screen after wakeup from suspending by closing the laptop lid" [High,Fix released]22:17
jeblairi'm still reading through those (200 comments on one) to see if i can learn anything or if i have anything to add22:17
slickymasterjeblair: it's seems that we might be facing a regression on this one22:18
knomejeblair, those are related yeah, but we think that there's another bug for those who still have the problem22:18
pleia2jeblair: so, we learned that part of it was partially hardware dependent, so it was fixed on my folio 9470m when that blog post was made, but not on some other hardware configurations (hence the request for a bug report)22:18
ubottuUbuntu bug 1303736 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "[SRU] Black screen after wakeup from suspending by closing the laptop lid" [High,Fix released]22:18
jeblairokay, i didn't want to pile on :)  what would be useful to add?  my systemd config change and hardware?22:19
knomejeblair, let me try to dig up something.22:19
jeblair(also, i'm glad xscreensaver still works.  i just installed it so i have something to prevent access; happy to remove to test out fixes)22:22
knomejeblair, here it is...22:22
knome13:44  bluesabre: try each of the following, followed by a log out, and then back in.22:22
knome13:44  bluesabre: xfconf-query -c xfce4-power-manager -p /xfce4-power-manager/logind-handle-lid-switch -s false22:22
knome13:44  bluesabre: xfconf-query -c xfce4-power-manager -p /xfce4-power-manager/logind-handle-lid-switch -s true22:22
jeblairknome: ack will do.  back in a few :)22:23
jeblairknome, bluesabre: that didn't seem to work for me; the behavior changed, but was always either light-locker does not run, or screen power is off after unlocking22:39
jeblairknome, bluesabre: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8738766/22:39
knomegood, thanks for the debug information22:39
jeblairi tried 4 configurations (each of the logind handle lid switch settings for xfce4-power-manager multiplied by each of the handlelidswitch settings in logind.conf)22:39
knomejeblair, context: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/09/25/%23xubuntu-devel.html#t10:3922:44
xubuntu54wI need some help with finding drivers for my 56k modem22:45
knomejeblair, but if you could file a bug with the information you pasted on the pastebin, and be ready to answer for more questions from bluesabre (and other developers), that'd be great22:45
xubuntu54wit's an Agere 11c11040 chipset22:45
xubuntu54wand the drivers that I found were outdated22:45
jeblairknome: will do22:45
knomejeblair, thanks :)22:46
xubuntu54wso where could I possibly find updated drivers for my modem?22:46
xubuntu54wit's an Agere Delphi D40 56k modem22:47
knomexubuntu54w, 56k modem? i'd check the modem manufacturer..22:47
xubuntu54wI would22:47
slickymasterxubuntu54w: http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/ltmodem/11c11040/22:47
xubuntu54wbut they merged with two other companies22:47
xubuntu54wand there is no official support available iirc22:47
xubuntu54wslickymaster, I tried those drivers22:48
xubuntu54wI get errors when installing22:48
xubuntu54wbecause the kernel version for them is so old22:48
xubuntu54wMy modem works when using Wary Puppy Linux 5.5; the only issue is that the software I want to use with the modem requires apt-get for easy installation22:49
xubuntu54wwary puppy linux lets me install .deb packages22:49
xubuntu54wis there a way to download a package and all of its dependencies at once without using synaptic or ubuntu software center?22:50
bazhangthe command line22:50
xubuntu54won Wary Puppy Linux22:50
bazhang!apt-get | xubuntu54w22:50
ubottuxubuntu54w: APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome), !Muon (KDE) or !Apper (KDE)22:50
bazhangxubuntu54w, ask in the puppy channel, this is #xubuntu22:51
xubuntu54wya but this is a general question22:51
bazhangxubuntu54w, so go to ##linux22:51
xubuntu54wis there a way to download a package and its dependencies without using apt-get?22:51
xubuntu54wI was hoping you guys might know22:51
Naphatuldoes hibernate hibernate to disk or just does sleep?22:51
bazhangwhy would you ever need to22:52
xubuntu54wI don't think wary puppy linux supports apt-get22:52
bazhangxubuntu54w, stop asking about puppy here22:52
xubuntu54wthat wasn't my question22:52
xubuntu54wread my question.22:53
bazhangwhat IS your question, re: xubuntu22:53
xubuntu54wis there a way to download a package and its dependencies without using apt-get?22:53
xubuntu54wso that I can put them on a usb22:53
xubuntu54wthe .deb files or whatever22:53
bazhangxubuntu54w, why would you ever need to do that22:53
xubuntu54wI JUST explained this22:54
bazhangput on a USB for what reason22:54
xubuntu54wlast time I explained this you told me to go to a different channel...22:54
Naphatulxubuntu54w, yes go manually through each file and it's dependancies and download them22:54
xubuntu54wthought so :?22:54
xubuntu54wno other way?22:54
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xubuntu54wdoes sudo apt-get allow you to just download the .debs?22:55
bazhangother than manually, or with a package manager?22:55
xubuntu54wother than manually/a package manager22:55
Naphatulxubuntu54w, yes22:55
Naphatulapt-get download22:55
Naphatulthat should have been your first question22:55
xubuntu54wand that'll get the dependencies too?22:56
Naphatulxubuntu54w, i don't know but you can script it from there22:56
xubuntu54wthank you so much22:56
Naphatulok now, from the logout menu, does "hibernate" mean suspend to disk or to ram?22:56
ubottuUbuntu bug 1387413 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Black screen after wakeup from suspending by closing the laptop lid" [Undecided,New]22:56
knomejeblair, cheers!22:57
xubuntu54wHow do I format a usb from CLI in Xubuntu?22:59
xubuntu54wI want to format it to fat3222:59
deshipuxubuntu54w: using mkfs.vfat23:01
slickymasterxubuntu54w: sudo mkfs.vfat -n 'volume_name' -I /dev/sd_something23:01
Naphatulanyone? what does hibernate suspend to, disk or ram?23:14
deshipuNaphatul: hibernate suspends to disk, suspend suspends to ram23:16
slickymasterNaphatul: ^^ exactly23:16
deshipuNaphatul: you have to have enough swap to fit your whole ram for it to work23:17
Naphatuldeshipu, yeah i know, i just haven't seen suspend anywhere23:17
holsteinthe swap saves the ram state..23:17
Naphatuland i remember they were interchangable in one distro23:17
holsteinNaphatul: its disabled, by default.. AFAIK23:17
Naphatulthat might be it23:17
holsteinNaphatul: it may be referred to differently, but not interchangable23:17
Naphatulholstein, possibly23:18
holsteinNaphatul: one is to disk the other to ram... thats *definitely*23:18
Naphatulwell yeah i know they're different, but i know there was an option to change what the "suspend" suspended to23:18
holsteinNaphatul: not in xubuntu/ubuntu.. suspend to disk is referred to as hibernate.. and suspend suspends to ram..23:19
holsteinNaphatul: what are you trying to do?23:19
Naphatulholstein, nothing just figure out what it suspended to since the last time i remember messing with it it had options to where to suspend, not on xubuntu23:19
holsteinhttp://askubuntu.com/questions/462472/xubuntu-14-04-how-to-enable-hibernate should help you enable hibernation. i personaly dont see a benefit over just shutdown..23:20
Naphatuli already made a swapfile if that's what you're worried about23:20
Naphatuland the benefit is that the save sessions in xfce doesn't work well at all23:20
Naphatuland i'd rather not reopen a hundred things23:20
holsteinNaphatul: on xubuntu, hibernate, or suspend to disk is disable.. so, you get suspend to ram "out of the box" if the hardware supports linux well23:20
holsteinNaphatul: try enabling hibernation, if you want that..23:21
Naphatulso hibernate suspends to ram after all?23:21
holsteinNaphatul: no23:22
holsteinNaphatul: hibernate *saves* the ram state.. the power goes off on the machine in hibernate..23:22
Naphatulthen why would i have to enable it if it's on by default?23:22
holsteinNaphatul: its not23:23
holsteinNaphatul: hibernate is not on by default.. its off.. suspend is on23:23
Naphatulholstein, i hit suspend and it suspended fine23:23
holsteinhibernate is not that popular, and can be problematic23:23
Naphatuloh wait yeah sorry i though the button said hibernate23:23
holsteinNaphatul: correct.. suspend should work fine, "out of the box".. you would need to enable hibernatation23:23
xubuntu54wok I made a package download script using Synaptic23:24
holsteinNaphatul: there likely is not hibernate button23:24
xubuntu54wso now in Puppy Linux my download manager should work23:24
xubuntu54wthx guys!23:24
Naphatulholstein, yup, i thought suspend said hibernate23:24
Naphatulguess suspending is fine for overnight23:26
holsteinNaphatul: suspending just does what it does.. it either works for you or not.. it goes to a lower power state.. i sleep all machines that are laptops.. and shutdown all machines that are desktops23:27
holsteinsleep = suspend ^23:27
holstein= suspend to ram..23:27
Naphatulwell it's a desktop but i don't see suspending overnight causing any harm23:28
holsteinNaphatul: i wouldnt want the power to shutoff to the unit too many times in that state.. but, if i didnt want to (for whatever reason) troubleshoot why xfce sessions are saving, or add hibernation, or deal with shutdown, or adding what i want to be running to autostart, etc.. i would use suspend on a desktop overnight.. sure23:29
holsteinwhy sessions are not saving*23:29

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