[01:22] <carlos> Hello, guys
[01:22] <ObrienDave> Greetings & Welcome
[01:23] <carlos> I screwed up with xubuntu video drivers, and now display is super slow.
[01:23] <carlos> How do I fix it?
[01:23] <ObrienDave> which video card?
[01:24] <carlos> It says it is an ATI radeon, but aticonfig finds no chip
[01:24] <carlos> carlos@Aspire-5517:~$ aticonfig
[01:24] <carlos> aticonfig: No supported adapters detected
[01:25] <ObrienDave> what tells you it's a radeon?
[01:26] <carlos> There is a sticker here saying ATI Radeon Graphics
[01:26] <ObrienDave> k. is it dedicated or shared memory?
[01:27] <carlos> Shared, I suppose
[01:34]  * ball burns Xubuntu 14.10 to a blank DVD
[01:44] <LinusTorvaldII> i havent tried 1410 yet
[01:45] <ball> I should go and test it.
[01:45]  * LinusTorvaldII wonders about 1410...
[01:45] <ball> Need to find a wireless NIC first though.
[01:45] <ball> I'll be back later.
[01:45] <LinusTorvaldII> maybe ill drop it in my VM
[01:47] <LinusTorvaldII> xubuntu has always intrigued me, it is advertised as "lighter/faster than ubuntu" but all the testing data says it uses slighty more ram...makes no sence, less features built in at default, more ram usage?
[01:48] <holstein> LinusTorvaldII: with all statements like that, you can always assume ymmv.. depends mostly on how well the hardware support the linux kernel
[01:48] <LinusTorvaldII> can anyone explain this phenomena?
[01:48] <holstein> LinusTorvaldII: i am trying.. hardware support is the main explanation
[01:49] <LinusTorvaldII> ok, well i guess that covers it-thanks.
[01:49] <holstein> drivers.. if you installed the 3d driver that would best support unity or gnome3's d3 requirement, they may make the system run "better".. or seem peppier
[01:49] <Unit193> Also, Xubuntu doesn't advertise itself as the lightweight OS, though you'd have to prove to me that it's heavier than Ubuntu.
[01:49] <xangua> xubuntu does has as many services enabled by default as ubuntu, you can try disabling 'gnome services' LinusTorvaldII
[01:49] <holstein> you could be comparing ubuntu 14.04 and xubuntu 14.10.. thats not an apples to apples comparison.. since, the kernel is different
[01:50]  * ObrienDave sticks to LTS
[01:50] <LinusTorvaldII> i have a hard believing it also but have read it on the internet several times over the years, back in the days around 904 it was very fast.
[01:50] <Unit193> Check top/htop to see what's running.
[01:50] <holstein> LinusTorvaldII: try it yourself on your actual hardware.. you can read literally *anything* online..
[01:52] <LinusTorvaldII> ok
[01:53] <LinusTorvaldII> one moment
[01:54] <holstein> LinusTorvaldII: if you are going to to *realistic* comparisons of unity and xfce, i suggest you spend more than one moment.. i would actually install them both on the same hardware.. though, you could get a pretty good idea in VM, or with live iso's.. depending on how well the hardware supports linux
[01:57] <LinusTorvaldII> well it will be fair then, because they are both going to be in this machine right here
[01:57] <LinusTorvaldII> both will be in the same vm too
[01:58] <LinusTorvaldII> its an i7-4770, 1tb HDD, 12gb ram and gtx 645 1gb gddr5.
[01:59] <LinusTorvaldII> too me it should use a lot less ram and run a lot faster
[01:59] <xangua> ubuntu unity 12.04 uses almost the same ram that gnome2 after disabling some of ubuntu services that come enabled by default
[01:59] <xangua> did you already disabled gnome services?
[01:59] <LinusTorvaldII> i havent even got the xubuntu download yet
[02:00] <LinusTorvaldII> but i have 1404 ubuntu in vm now
[02:00] <holstein> you can save a snapshot, and "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop"..
[02:01] <ray_> does anyone know how to keep the desktop icons from rearranging every time I log in?  They used to stay static brfore I upgraded to 14.10
[02:02] <relaxed> ray_: right click on the desktop, I think there's an option for what you want.
[02:02] <LinusTorvaldII> says download will be done in 6 minuted
[02:02] <LinusTorvaldII> minutes
[02:03] <LinusTorvaldII> this will be interesting, always wondered about this.
[02:03] <holstein> LinusTorvaldII: great!.. feel free to chat in the #xubuntu-offtopic channel
[02:05] <LinusTorvaldII> im in that channel now actually
[02:15] <neotron> Hi every one
[02:15] <neotron> i need help plz ?
[02:15] <ObrienDave> !ask | neotron
[02:16] <neotron> how can i delete guest user from the login screen and thanks
[02:16] <neotron> info: i'm new in xubuntu i don't know nothing
[02:16] <Unit193> allow-guest=false in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[02:17] <ObrienDave> edit file ^^^
[02:17] <neotron> thanks man
[02:18] <neotron> edit with nano command ? or gedit
[02:18] <ObrienDave> either one
[02:18] <neotron> cool thanks alot
[02:21] <neotron> another question plz ?
[02:22] <neotron> When i type su + entre he ask me the password but i don't know what password he is talking about can any one help me plz ?
[02:23] <ray_> your own password
[02:24] <neotron> he don't accp it
[02:24] <neotron> '(
[02:25] <neotron> the same password i log with ?
[02:26] <neotron> he give me this : su: Authentication failure
[02:27] <ObrienDave> yes, the same password you logon with
[02:28] <neotron> i will try again
[02:28] <neotron> thanks for helping guys
[02:29] <ObrienDave> that's what we get paid for. oops, NOT paid for LOL
[02:29] <neotron> :D
[02:30] <neotron> don't want work
[02:30] <neotron> :(
[02:30] <xubuntu17w> good morning from germany
[02:30] <neotron> good night
[02:30] <neotron> from my contry
[02:32] <xubuntu17w>  I habe problems with defekt Line 55 Quellliste /etc/apt/  Uri-parse after update installation
[02:34] <xubuntu17w> I had also post this terrible problem in www.ubuntusers.de, but this guy's piss me off
[02:34] <xubuntu17w> they  a
[02:35] <neotron> sorry i cant help you
[02:35] <holstein> xubuntu17w: after update of what? to what?
[02:35] <neotron> because i'm new in linux
[02:35] <xubuntu17w> 14,o4.0
[02:36] <xubuntu17w> than synaptic and softwarecenter was down
[02:36] <holstein> xubuntu17w: which is that? what you updated from ?or to?
[02:36] <neotron> can this fix your problem * sudo apt-get update * ??
[02:36] <holstein> xubuntu17w: those just access the repositories.. the repositories were down?
[02:36] <xubuntu17w> it was a actualisierung
[02:37]  * ObrienDave chokes Google translate
[02:37] <holstein> xubuntu17w: ok.. since thats "past tense" and you are saying "was".. then, lets move on
[02:37] <neotron> or try sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:37] <holstein> xubuntu17w: whats the issue?
[02:37] <xubuntu17w> nothing with  sudo ----
[02:37] <neotron> this is what i know in linux :)
[02:37] <xangua> xubuntu17w: is english your native language?
[02:37] <xubuntu17w> do not working
[02:37] <holstein> xubuntu17w: what is not working?
[02:38] <ObrienDave> !de | xubuntu17w
[02:38] <xubuntu17w> german
[02:40] <xubuntu17w> my english geht so lala hab auf shipyards und us - baracks english gesprochen , nur ist das 30 jahre her,
[02:40] <neotron> guys any books for beginners like me to understand linux ?
[02:40] <xubuntu17w> by
[02:40] <neotron> have a nice day
[02:40] <xubuntu17w> bnso
[02:40] <holstein> neotron: plenty of resources.. i would pick something specific, and take that on..
[02:41] <neotron> ok thanks
[02:42] <xubuntu17w> Holstein where do you from, I live in Ploen!
[02:43] <neotron> guys i forget the password of my root user how can i get it back plzzz
[02:43] <xangua> there is no root pasword for default in *ubuntu
[02:44] <holstein> xubuntu17w: US
[02:45] <holstein> !sudo | neotron
[02:45] <neotron> thanks alot
[03:16] <neotron> have a nice day guys
[03:16] <neotron> cya and thanks for help
[03:20] <LinusTorvaldII> cool simplistic xubuntu desktop http://i.imgur.com/8lfYHnS.jpg
[03:37] <neotron> Hi guys
[03:37] <neotron> this command dont want work for me lshal
[03:37] <neotron> what to do ?
[03:37] <holstein> neotron: what are you trying to do?
[03:38] <neotron> this command dont want to work
[03:38] <neotron> lshal
[03:38] <holstein> neotron: in a larger sense, friend.. what are you trying to accomplish?
[03:38] <neotron> i dont know what this command do i just found it in net
[03:39] <holstein> neotron: dont do that
[03:39] <neotron> i'm new in linux  i dont know nothing
[03:39] <neotron> can you explain this command for me plz ?
[03:39] <xangua> you know nothing and you want to run random commands you found?
[03:39] <holstein> neotron: thats *not* a good way to learn.. but, thats a good way to break the system, or allow someone to compromise your machine..
[03:39] <ObrienDave> or re-install a LOT of times
[03:39] <holstein> neotron: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/intrepid/man1/ls.1.html
[03:40] <neotron> ya i try to understand commands job
[03:41] <neotron> like nano job ps aux
[03:41] <holstein> neotron: try going the other way.. like, im trying to accomplish this task .. what are some ways to do that
[03:41] <holstein> neotron: you wont set down in a few hours and learn all the commands and what they do
[03:41] <holstein> sit*
[03:42] <theKrnlM_> eni bardy elsw?
[03:42] <neotron> because i lost years using windows
[03:42] <theKrnlM_> Есть кто живой
[03:43] <theKrnlM_> ???
[03:43] <theKrnlM_> wtfOMG
[03:43] <neotron> russa lol
[03:43] <theKrnlM_> lolWhat
[03:44] <neotron> suka
[03:44] <neotron> lol
[03:44] <neotron> kakjla theKrmlM_
[03:44] <theKrnlM_> pzl  f*ck  не ебите мозги
[03:44] <neotron> english
[03:44] <theKrnlM_> Мама роди меня обратно в Виндовс
[03:45] <holstein> !ru
[03:50] <ObrienDave> wait! full moon is next week ;P
[04:00] <theKrnlM_> ubottu - бот?
[04:00] <holstein> !bot
[04:00] <theKrnlM_> ззс
[04:02] <theKrnlM_> Самый умный тут
[04:02] <theKrnlM_> ?
[04:02] <ObrienDave> !ru | theKrnlM_
[04:02] <theKrnlM_> !ru
[04:03] <Unit193> theKrnlM_: /join #ubuntu-ru
[04:03] <theKrnlM_> nooooooooooooooooooooo i want this
[04:03] <theKrnlM_> and BUSTA
[04:10] <theKrnlM_> vodka, matreshka - horosho!
[04:10] <holstein> !ot
[04:23] <theKrnlM_> i need driver
[04:24] <xangua> do you need a car too¿
[04:26] <ball> Hey, it works!
[04:26] <Unit193> \o.
[04:27] <ball> I installed Xubuntu 14.10 amd64 on my daughter's PC.
[04:30] <xangua> awesome ball
[04:31] <xangua> there is also ubuntu mate now, a little more friendly
[04:31] <vrkalak> ball, she like it?
[04:31] <ball> xangua: This looks pretty clean and straightforward.
[04:32] <ball> Whiskers took a little getting used to but it's growing on me.
[04:32] <ball> vrkalak: She hasn't seen it since I reimaged it but she liked the older version it used to run.
[04:32] <ball> ...and Qimo, which it ran before that.
[04:33] <xangua> quimo used xfce right?
[04:33]  * ball nods
[04:33] <ball> Qimo was Xubuntu-based.
[04:36] <ball> Now I need to find some educational programs and perhaps games that would suit a ten-year-old.
[04:37] <ObrienDave> try edubuntu
[04:41] <ball> ObrienDave: Thanks, I'll try some of those packages.
[04:43] <Unit193> Look to see what the meta packages depend on, right.
[04:44] <ball> The Edubuntu Website lists some of them.
[05:03] <ball> Goodnight everyone!
[05:32] <theKrnlM_> exit
[05:33] <theKrnlM_> exit coffee
[05:36] <theKrnlM_>  i will be back
[06:55] <Manlove> Starting to get a headache with this new Xubuntu... I installed disk managment.. Where do I find it to run it?
[06:56] <cfhowlett> Manlove, try the terminal
[06:56] <Manlove> Awesome.. What would I type since software center calls it 'disks'
[06:57] <cfhowlett> Manlove, but I know how to find it.  dpkg -l | grep disks*
[06:58] <Manlove> It's gnome disk utility I'm trying to open
[06:59] <cfhowlett> Manlove, dpkg -l | grep gnome*            will list all the gnome packages.   your's will be on the list
[07:00] <Manlove> So just out of curiosity.. why don't things show up in the  start menu anymore
[07:01] <cfhowlett> Manlove, it's probably there, you just don't see it.  if I had to guess: system > gnome-disk         would be the location
[07:01] <Manlove> Can't find it or launch it... it's in the terminal list
[07:02] <relaxed> Manlove: "dpkg -L foo" will list all the files installed from foo. Look for /bin/something
[07:03] <cfhowlett> Manlove, could be a terminal only command ...
[07:03] <Manlove> I know it's installed. It's just not opening with anything...
[07:04] <cfhowlett> Manlove, huh.  cancel the command and run it again with --verbose          that should show something.
[07:04] <Manlove> I could just give up completely on Xubuntu... it's nothing but problems and so slow anymore... when I log in. I get "critical system error... wish to report".... on 11.10. I never had a problem
[07:07] <relaxed> Manlove: Did you upgrade to 11.10?
[07:07] <Manlove> fresh install
[07:08] <relaxed> you meant 14.10, correct?
[07:09] <cfhowlett> Manlove, try lubuntu.  it's optimized for older hardware.  and use LTS only; 14.04.1 at present
[07:10] <Manlove> I used to love xubuntu... but I don't get why since 12 it's just been so slow... I have a 64bit system.. which is supposed to = fast
[09:59] <Avic> hello
[10:16] <knome> hello
[10:42] <xubuntu79w> hello,
[10:42] <xubuntu79w> somebody knows what flash doesn't work at xubuntu? ¿alguien sabe por que flash no funciona en XUbuntu?
[10:47] <knome> xubuntu79w, it does for me; maybe describe your problem more accurately?
[10:49] <xubuntu79w> I can't use a elearning platform where I need to see some videos. (No puedo usar una plataforma elearning donde necesito ver videos)
[10:51] <xubuntu79w> I use a legacy pc, with a Ati radeon 9200. But the drivers doesn't have installed in my pc (uso un pc antiguo con una tarjeta ati radeon 9200, pero los drivers no se han instalado
[10:52] <xubuntu79w> sorry for my English (perdón por mi inglés)
[10:54] <xubuntu79w> I think that problem are ati drivers (pienso que el problema son los drivers de ati)
[10:54] <xubuntu79w> but I don't know how install them. (pero no se como instalarlos)
[10:54] <knome> xubuntu79w, this is an english only channel, so no reason to write it in spanish too; you can use #ubuntu-es if you want to get support in spanish though
[10:55] <xubuntu79w> thanks
[11:08] <Guest67040> Hello, guys
[11:08] <Guest67040> What is xubuntu`s xorg.conf file?
[11:08] <knome> Guest67040, xubuntu does not use a xorg.conf file by default
[11:09] <Guest67040> How do I make it use it?
[11:11] <knome> Guest67040, just create one and it will be used
[11:19] <nomic> appears to be no way of turning off screen saver on xubuntu 14.04
[11:19] <nomic> why is this screen saver kicking in
[11:19] <nomic> "light locker" I killed
[11:19] <nomic> this is ridiculous
[11:20] <nomic> they mess around with things that work
[11:20] <nomic> worked
[11:20] <knome> nomic, stop complaining now.
[11:20] <nomic> why is my screen going blank - what more can I do
[11:21] <nomic> xset -- xset s off xset s noblank xset s 0 0
[11:21] <nomic> light locker disabled
[11:21] <nomic> the screen still blanks
[11:24] <cfhowlett> nomic, purge xscreensaver - it can conflict lightlocker.  choose one or the other
[11:24] <nomic> sudo apt-get remove xscreensaver?
[11:24] <cfhowlett> nomic, apt-get purge xscreensaver
[11:25] <nomic> 'xscreensaver is not installed'
[11:25] <cfhowlett> nomic, then screenblank is coming from your power settings or from lightlocker
[11:26] <nomic> both are turned off -- still it blanks
[11:26] <cfhowlett> nomic, see your logs to track the trigger, dmesg I think
[11:44] <neotron> Good morning
[11:45] <knome> hello
[11:45] <neotron> How are you guys ?
[11:45] <knome> fine
[11:45] <knome> do you have a support question?
[11:45] <neotron> Gread
[11:45] <neotron> ya
[11:46] <neotron> i on my laptop this morning
[11:46] <neotron> but he didn't give me the screen to entre my password
[11:46] <neotron> he just stay loading and loading
[11:46] <neotron> i get in by chance
[11:47] <neotron> Ctr + Alt
[11:47] <neotron> Ctr + Alt + F5
[11:47] <neotron> after that  my user and password
[11:47] <neotron> startx
[11:48] <neotron> i said he will be fixed
[11:48] <neotron> when i rebooted the machine he didnt he still loading and loading
[11:48] <knome> did you recently upgrade your system or package?
[11:48] <knome> +s
[11:48] <knome> are you using PPA's?
[11:48] <neotron> ya
[11:48] <neotron> knome i'm new in linux
[11:48] <neotron> i just start stay it  5 days
[11:49] <neotron> i make update
[11:49] <neotron> and upgrade
[11:49] <knome> ok, so which xubuntu version are you running now?
[11:49] <relaxed> nomic: what does `xset q| grep Stand` return?
[11:49] <neotron> xubuntu 64
[11:50] <knome> neotron, no, which version (eg. 14.04, 14.10...) ?
[11:50] <neotron> i really don't know
[11:50] <neotron> i think the last one
[11:50] <neotron> there is a way to know ?
[11:51] <knome> neotron, in a terminal, type "lsb_release -r" (without the quotes)
[11:51] <neotron> ok thanks
[11:52] <neotron> Release:	14.04
[11:54] <Jan555> Hi! Anyone knows, if there is a known bug with default applications in xubuntu 14.10? I can't change it, so that e.g. ristretto is the default viewer for jpg files.
[11:55] <Jan555> They always open Firefox. I changed the default application in the "open with..." dialog, but it does not work.
[11:56] <neotron> Sorry i'm new in linux
[11:56] <neotron> knome plz any help ?
[11:56] <Jan555> In the properties of a (sample) jpg, it states "Open With: Ristretto", but on double-click the image is opened in Firefox
[11:57] <knome> neotron, i don't have the answer to your question at this time; maybe others who know the answer will turn up at some point
[11:57] <neotron> ok thanks
[11:57] <neotron> Jan55 try to unstall firefox
[11:57] <neotron> and install it again
[11:59] <nomic> sorry was afk ..says standby 0 suspend 0 off 0
[11:59] <neotron> welcome
[12:00] <nomic> relaxed sorry was afk ..says standby 0 suspend 0 off 0
[12:03] <neotron> any command to fix the whole system ?
[12:07] <neotron> Guys i need help i cant log in he just load and load i need to ( Ctr+Alt+F5 ==>user:***** password:****** : after this i type: startx ) this is the only way i found to get in plz help me
[12:23] <neotron> Hello guys i fixed the problem
[12:24] <knome> good to hear - how did you resolve it?
[12:24] <neotron> yesterday
[12:24] <neotron> i want off the guest account
[12:25] <neotron> and i add this (allow-guest=false)
[12:25] <neotron> in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[12:25] <neotron> this will not work alone
[12:25] <neotron> you should add [SeatDefaults]
[12:25] <neotron> [SeatDefaults]
[12:25] <knome> yep
[12:25] <neotron> and add this allow-guest=false
[12:26] <neotron> i love linux
[12:26] <neotron> he make your use your brain
[12:26] <neotron> you*
[12:26] <neotron> i deleted windows
[12:26] <neotron> :D
[12:27] <neotron> thanks guys
[12:28] <knome> you're welcome - and enjoy
[12:29] <neotron> thanks you too
[13:29] <alexfrench> hello is there here anybody to know how to receive hotmail mail on thunderbird ??
[13:30] <livingdaylight> Ubuntu software is giving me gtk and qt versions of avidemux.
[13:30] <baizon> alexfrench: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/thunderbird-and-hotmail
[13:30] <livingdaylight> Is GTK the better option for xfce?
[13:31] <alexfrench> thanks baizon i do search on google and it gives myself such information
[13:31] <alexfrench> but in french
[13:31] <baizon> livingdaylight: yes imo
[13:32] <livingdaylight> thx!
[13:50] <caliber> hello guys
[13:51] <Avic> hello
[13:51] <Avic> how can i install xubuntu in ubuntu trusty?
[13:51] <Avic> thanks
[13:52] <Avic> can i install vnc4server with it too?
[13:52] <Avic> thank you
[13:54] <alexfrench> no need to install a new distribution no ??
[13:54] <alexfrench> maybe you just change your desktop to xfce no ??
[13:55] <Avic> i have ubuntu trysty in the server, i need a desktop enviornment. so i was thinking about the xfce, but in ubuntu is named xubuntu
[13:57] <jalrnc> how about: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[13:57] <cfhowlett> Avic, or for gui only : sudo apt-get xfce4
[13:58] <Avic> oh
[13:58] <Avic> and it works with kde too?
[13:58] <Avic> i like kde better, but kubuntu is huge
[13:59] <knome> Avic, if you're running a server, you probably want to avoid as many GUI things as you can
[13:59] <cfhowlett> Avic, you are bouncing all over here.  KDE is a desktop environment.  xfce4 is a desktop environment.  choose one.
[13:59] <cfhowlett> Avic, what knome said.  more gui = less server
[13:59] <knome> Avic, adding in KDE and using it does bring the same overload to your system as kubutnu (except the settings, additional apps etc)
[13:59] <Avic> hmm, ok
[14:00] <knome> but same goes for xfce; it will bring overhead
[14:00] <Avic> and lubuntu?
[14:00] <Avic> the same...
[14:00] <knome> same for lubuntu too.
[14:01] <cfhowlett> Avic, you have  server.  why do you need a desktop environment?
[14:01] <Avic> ok, what is the easyest and lightwait, lxde or xfce to use vnc?
[14:01] <cfhowlett> Avic, vnc
[14:02] <knome> Avic, lxde ought to be lighter, but it all depends what you do
[14:02] <Avic> i want to access some spplications with gui
[14:02] <Avic> not all the time
[14:02] <knome> Avic, ultimately running any DE doesn't add very different amount of load to the network (except maybe KDE)
[14:02] <knome> only the server
[14:03] <knome> if you use vnc, you will have a certain amount of load to transfer the GUI stuff over anyway
[14:04] <Avic> i tried freenx yesterday all day... i install it successfully, but couldn't access the server desktop environment
[14:05] <Avic> using the nomachine as the client software, a nightmare...
[14:05] <Avic> i'm so very frustrated that now iḿ going back to vnc again
[14:06] <Avic> so much time waisted
[14:06] <Avic> i'm on this for days finding the best protocol
[14:08] <Avic> knome, its basic sfuff, nothing special, and use the gui sometimes to see how linux works
[14:08] <Avic> use some apps, not all the time
[14:14] <Avic> so it will be ubuntu 14.04 -> lxde + vnc
[14:14] <Avic> is this possible?
[14:15] <Avic> i can't loose any more time with this, i want this configure today.
[15:41] <sleezio> hello, anyone know of the xfce4-weather-plugin 0.8.3 coders are fixing the weather plugin?
[15:41] <sleezio> i just noticed it's no longer working
[15:44] <alexfrench> i don't know
[15:48] <sleezio> i found the github page, i see whats going on with it, thanks anyway
[15:51] <pleia2> last I knew the fix was in the -proposed repository
[15:52] <sleezio> their main page states you need to rebuild source with 2 patches
[15:53] <brainwash> already fixed
[15:53] <brainwash> just update your system
[15:54] <LeMike> some program fetches my ctrl+f12 but I don't want that. Is there any way to find out which app it is?
[15:55] <LeMike> (nothing happens when I press it, while my IDE should do stuff)
[15:57] <sleezio> aaah, i see, just needed to remove plugin from panel and replug for update to kickin
[15:57] <brainwash> right, or relog once
[16:10] <alexfrench> gcc seems to be installed on my xubuntu, but if i should like to use it with an ide which one is the easier ?
[16:11] <alexfrench> i see in ubuntu logitheque codeblock:ide one
[16:14] <Adephit> anyone knows how the ~/.vnc/xstartup should look like with the lubuntu?
[16:32] <vrkalak> Adephit, try #lubuntu
[16:32] <Adephit> i'm there already, thanks
[16:32] <Adephit> but no answer,i'm waiting
[16:33] <Adephit> i think i found how, but going to test
[17:18] <alexfrench> which ide for gcc ??
[17:23] <Hedgework> people still use IDEs?
[17:23]  * Hedgework ducks
[17:23] <Hedgework> alexfrench: In all seriousness, IDEs are very much a matter of personal workflow and preference.
[17:23] <Hedgework> alexfrench: I prefer an editor to an IDE, and try to nudge newbie coders in that direction for a variety of reasons, but it's not the One Right Way or anything.
[17:24] <alexfrench> so it is better to get stuck on terminal with gcc an make all by hand ??
[17:25] <alexfrench>  on amiga i used to do by hand with gcc too
[17:26] <alexfrench> and later with stormc
[17:30] <brainwash> !ot
[17:31] <alexfrench> ok
[17:38] <Hedgework> alexfrench: feel free to pm if you'd like to continue the convo.
[17:38] <Hedgework> brainwash: Apologies, didn't look at what buffer I was in before answering.
[17:45] <alexfrench> thanks Hedgework  but now i have to go, in fact i switch on my pc
[17:46] <alexfrench> there i am on virtualbox
[17:48] <xubuntu852> Hey... Anybody know how I can get a count of open gui windows in a shell script?
[17:50] <brainwash> xubuntu852: install wmctrl
[17:50] <brainwash> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/en/man1/wmctrl.1.html
[17:51] <brainwash> wmctrl -l  pints a list of current managed windows
[17:51] <xubuntu852> thanks so much buddy... that looks like it'll really help
[17:51] <xubuntu852> you know if it'll work okay with stuff running under wine?
[17:52] <xubuntu852> need a count of windows opened from an app that has to run from wine
[17:53] <brainwash> the wine windows are managed by the window manager (xfwm4), so just try it
[17:53] <brainwash> you will have to parse the output of wmctrl -l
[17:54] <brainwash> maybe add some more parameters to tweak the output
[18:01] <xubuntu852> thanks again brainwash... works great buddy and the help is super appreciated I've been looking for a solution for a while now
[18:05] <isjustme> i tried 2 firewalls firestarter and gufw and i still have a port open are the firerwalls not working on xubuntu 12.04? on gufw the status says ON so anyone know what is wrong?
[18:14] <brainwash> !ufw
[18:17] <brainwash> isjustme: you will have to configure the preferred firewall properly
[18:17] <brainwash> I doubt that there is a xubuntu specific issue
[18:21] <isjustme> ok
[18:49] <Airbander> Hi every one
[18:49] <isjustme> hi
[18:49] <Airbander> Good ?
[18:49] <isjustme> ya
[18:49] <Airbander> Great
[18:50] <Airbander> How make backup on linux ? i'm using XUbuntu
[18:51] <isjustme> i havent backup on ubuntu yet
[18:51] <Airbander> so you are new in linux ?
[18:51] <Airbander> I'm :)
[18:51] <brainwash> !backup
[18:51] <isjustme> no but never backup on linux
[18:51] <Airbander> thanks ubottu
[18:52] <Airbander> i have another question
[18:52] <pleia2> ask away :) that's what this channel is for
[18:52] <Airbander> I didnt use swap partition or /home nothing i just installed the OS using all the drive is that good or not ?
[18:53] <Airbander> i mean in one partition
[18:53] <isjustme> normally when i would start a firewall it would stealth all and didnt have to put rules but now when i tried firestarter firewall and gufw it not doing it the firewall is on but the firewall test are still showing port open and not stealth
[18:54] <brainwash> it's bad if you run out of memory.. or if you want to hibernate the system
[18:54] <Airbander> even if i have 8Go ?
[18:54] <brainwash> other than that it should be fine to run a system without swap partition
[18:55] <Airbander> ok thanks very much guys
[18:55] <Airbander> i just take my deforce from windows
[19:12] <sinelaw> How do I make the window border (for resizing) less sensitive? I'm officially ready to punch myself next time I have to resize a window.
[19:15] <deshipu> you can hold down alt and click anywhere in the window
[19:15] <deshipu> instead of using the border
[19:15] <deshipu> one mouse button for moving, the other for resizing
[19:19] <kgb> sinelaw: don't forget to 'hide contents' (IF u want..:)); bc it *will* make life easier; especially on slower machines: http://s29.postimg.org/6e54xoj3r/Screenshot_10292014_08_17_26_PM.png
[19:20] <kgb> *err though eye think it's teh default option
[19:20] <sinelaw> deshipu, thanks! that helps. do you know how to also decrease border sensitivity?
[19:21] <kgb> p.s. it's always *best* NOT to mess w/teh default options..:) IMO :D
[19:22] <sinelaw> the defaults are very hard to use in this case.
[19:23] <sinelaw> and should be changed
[19:25] <deshipu> sinelaw: I guess you could use a window theme that has smaller borders
[19:26] <sinelaw> smaller borders?
[19:26] <sinelaw> the problem is that it's impossible to place the mouse in the correct location for stretching the window
[19:26] <sinelaw> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfwm4/+bug/1056978
[19:27] <sinelaw> ridiculous to not fix this
[19:28] <brainwash> use a theme with wider borders?
[19:28] <pleia2> sinelaw: http://xubuntu.org/news/window-resizing-in-xubuntu-and-xfce/
[19:28] <pleia2> or use one of the other mechanisms for resizing borders, as described ^^
[19:28] <pleia2> s/borders/windows
[19:29] <pleia2> I haven't used border gripping resize in ages
[19:29] <sinelaw> pleia2, that page talks about whether or not the resize grip works at all / is available on all applications
[19:29] <sinelaw> pleia2, what I'm saying is that it's too hard to grab, not that it isn't available
[19:31] <pleia2> sinelaw: the link I gave? it gives you alternatives to using the resize grip if you're having trouble with it due to thin borders
[19:31] <sinelaw> pleia2, true, but the problem it discuss with the resize grip is not that it's hard to use, and it doesn't explain how to make it easy to use.
[19:31] <sinelaw> *discusses
[19:32] <pleia2> yes, it's trying to help you solve the problem in a different way
[19:32] <sinelaw> pleia2, it's good that there are other ways to resize but it doesn't solve the actual problem. people expect to be able to resize with the grip
[19:32] <sinelaw> right
[19:32] <knome> sinelaw, change the theme
[19:32] <kgb> +1
[19:33] <sinelaw> i'll try that, but intuitively the area around the window should be sensitive to grabbing as well (regardless of the theme)
[19:34] <knome> sinelaw, it's not; you can file a feature request and hope it is picked up, but don't expect that to happen soon
[19:35] <sinelaw> the bug I linked to is exactly what I'm saying.
[19:35] <knome> ok, then you've done what you can. thanks for the bug report, and good luck getting it picked up
[19:36] <sinelaw> thanks, but I did not report it ;) it was opened in 2012. I understand it's an open source project. thanks for all the work.
[19:36] <knome> sinelaw, you're welcome
[19:38] <sinelaw> incidentally, xfwm is cool. i tried gnome 2, gnome 3, kde, etc. and they all overcomplicate or oversimplify. xfwm should be the default for any user that comes from windows, especially the whisker menu thingy
[19:38] <brainwash> the bug is marked as won't fix upstream
[19:39] <brainwash> basically, someone needs to implement this feature and provide a patch
[20:27] <Neotron> Hi guys
[20:27] <Neotron> i need help plz
[20:27] <Neotron> when i start RecordeMyDesktop i cant find him to stop recording my desk
[20:28] <Neotron> how can i add him to the panel
[20:28] <Neotron> and thanks
[20:31] <brainwash> Neotron: did you install the graphical interface?
[20:31] <brainwash> should be gtk-recordmydesktop
[20:32] <Neotron> ya
[20:33] <brainwash> I'm not familiar with this application, but I assume that you are missing a tray icon to stop the recording, right?
[20:34] <Neotron> i think yes
[20:35] <Neotron> there is another program to us ?
[20:36] <Neotron> i just found
[20:36] <brainwash> kazam
[20:36] <Neotron> simple screen recorder
[20:36] <Neotron> kazma either
[20:36] <Neotron> thanks
[20:37] <brainwash> there are quite some screencast apps available in the repo
[21:09] <matrixa1> Anyone on 14.10 noticing that laptop batteries never stop charging even after being fully charged?
[21:09] <matrixa1> Fujitsu NH532 here, and this never occurred on 14.04
[21:11] <brainwash> what does "upower --dump" report? open a terminal window and run this command
[21:12] <brainwash> could be a known issue or a hardware problem
[21:17] <matrixa1> brainwash, http://pastebin.com/9ycJuhmx
[21:19] <matrixa1> brainwash, i reacted only because it didn't occur until after the upgrade. Charging/discharging repeatedly pops up around 91%/90%
[21:19] <matrixa1> 90%/91%*
[21:22] <brainwash> matrixa1: not sure, if it is a bug, please file a bug report on launchpad
[21:22] <brainwash> !bug
[21:23] <brainwash> maybe trying a newer kernel version could help to identify the culprit
[21:24] <matrixa1> that's one solution
[21:24] <matrixa1> or the fact that I had TLP installed during the distro upgrade
[21:24] <brainwash> it's not installed anymore?
[21:25] <brainwash> you could also boot into live mode and do some testing
[21:25] <matrixa1> 14.04 behaves as advertised
[21:25] <brainwash> download the 14.04 and 14.10 iso
[21:26] <matrixa1> tried removing it TLP, and installing laptop-mode-tools too
[21:26] <matrixa1> tried removing TLP*
[21:26] <matrixa1> but none of those should have any impact as they're just power saving
[21:26] <brainwash> ok, so trying a newer kernel version is the way to go
[21:27] <matrixa1> got any reliable PPA for that?
[21:27] <brainwash> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[21:28] <brainwash> it's not the usual PPA, you will have to download and install the deb packages manually
[21:29] <brainwash> the v3.18-rc2-utopic build is broken
[21:29] <brainwash> use v3.18-rc2-vivid if you want to try the latest kernel version
[21:40] <matrixa1> fixed it, changed power manager
[21:41] <matrixa1> and loaded an additional kernel module
[21:41] <matrixa1> thanks for your help brainwash
[22:09] <jeblair> hi, i still have the black-screen-on-unlock problem after an upgrade to 14.10 even after following the steps in http://xubuntu.org/news/laptop-users-fix-available-for-the-black-screen-on-unlock-bug/
[22:14] <jeblair> i set HandleLidSwitch=ignore in /etc/systemd/logind.conf so that logind does not always suspend on lid close (i have configured xfce power manager to only suspend on lid close when on battery)
[22:15] <knome> jeblair, if you could file a bug explaining your situation we would be able to gather more data and figure out what's still wrong for some people
[22:16] <knome> there was some process to debug that (and get it working), but i just don't remember that...
[22:17] <jeblair> knome: looks like these are the relevant bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1259339  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1303736
[22:17] <jeblair> i'm still reading through those (200 comments on one) to see if i can learn anything or if i have anything to add
[22:18] <slickymaster> jeblair: it's seems that we might be facing a regression on this one
[22:18] <knome> jeblair, those are related yeah, but we think that there's another bug for those who still have the problem
[22:18] <pleia2> jeblair: so, we learned that part of it was partially hardware dependent, so it was fixed on my folio 9470m when that blog post was made, but not on some other hardware configurations (hence the request for a bug report)
[22:18] <slickymaster> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1303736/comments/201
[22:19] <jeblair> okay, i didn't want to pile on :)  what would be useful to add?  my systemd config change and hardware?
[22:19] <knome> jeblair, let me try to dig up something.
[22:22] <jeblair> (also, i'm glad xscreensaver still works.  i just installed it so i have something to prevent access; happy to remove to test out fixes)
[22:22] <knome> jeblair, here it is...
[22:22] <knome> 13:44  bluesabre: try each of the following, followed by a log out, and then back in.
[22:22] <knome> 13:44  bluesabre: xfconf-query -c xfce4-power-manager -p /xfce4-power-manager/logind-handle-lid-switch -s false
[22:22] <knome> 13:44  bluesabre: xfconf-query -c xfce4-power-manager -p /xfce4-power-manager/logind-handle-lid-switch -s true
[22:23] <jeblair> knome: ack will do.  back in a few :)
[22:39] <jeblair> knome, bluesabre: that didn't seem to work for me; the behavior changed, but was always either light-locker does not run, or screen power is off after unlocking
[22:39] <jeblair> knome, bluesabre: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8738766/
[22:39] <knome> good, thanks for the debug information
[22:39] <jeblair> i tried 4 configurations (each of the logind handle lid switch settings for xfce4-power-manager multiplied by each of the handlelidswitch settings in logind.conf)
[22:44] <knome> jeblair, context: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/09/25/%23xubuntu-devel.html#t10:39
[22:44] <xubuntu54w> hi
[22:45] <xubuntu54w> I need some help with finding drivers for my 56k modem
[22:45] <knome> jeblair, but if you could file a bug with the information you pasted on the pastebin, and be ready to answer for more questions from bluesabre (and other developers), that'd be great
[22:45] <xubuntu54w> it's an Agere 11c11040 chipset
[22:45] <xubuntu54w> and the drivers that I found were outdated
[22:45] <jeblair> knome: will do
[22:46] <knome> jeblair, thanks :)
[22:46] <xubuntu54w> so where could I possibly find updated drivers for my modem?
[22:47] <xubuntu54w> it's an Agere Delphi D40 56k modem
[22:47] <knome> xubuntu54w, 56k modem? i'd check the modem manufacturer..
[22:47] <xubuntu54w> I would
[22:47] <slickymaster> xubuntu54w: http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/ltmodem/11c11040/
[22:47] <xubuntu54w> but they merged with two other companies
[22:47] <xubuntu54w> and there is no official support available iirc
[22:48] <xubuntu54w> slickymaster, I tried those drivers
[22:48] <xubuntu54w> I get errors when installing
[22:48] <xubuntu54w> because the kernel version for them is so old
[22:49] <xubuntu54w> My modem works when using Wary Puppy Linux 5.5; the only issue is that the software I want to use with the modem requires apt-get for easy installation
[22:49] <xubuntu54w> wary puppy linux lets me install .deb packages
[22:50] <xubuntu54w> is there a way to download a package and all of its dependencies at once without using synaptic or ubuntu software center?
[22:50] <bazhang> the command line
[22:50] <xubuntu54w> how
[22:50] <xubuntu54w> on Wary Puppy Linux
[22:50] <bazhang> !apt-get | xubuntu54w
[22:51] <bazhang> xubuntu54w, ask in the puppy channel, this is #xubuntu
[22:51] <xubuntu54w> ya but this is a general question
[22:51] <bazhang> xubuntu54w, so go to ##linux
[22:51] <xubuntu54w> is there a way to download a package and its dependencies without using apt-get?
[22:51] <xubuntu54w> I was hoping you guys might know
[22:51] <xubuntu54w> :/
[22:51] <Naphatul> does hibernate hibernate to disk or just does sleep?
[22:52] <bazhang> why would you ever need to
[22:52] <xubuntu54w> I don't think wary puppy linux supports apt-get
[22:52] <bazhang> xubuntu54w, stop asking about puppy here
[22:52] <xubuntu54w> that wasn't my question
[22:53] <xubuntu54w> read my question.
[22:53] <bazhang> what IS your question, re: xubuntu
[22:53] <xubuntu54w> is there a way to download a package and its dependencies without using apt-get?
[22:53] <xubuntu54w> so that I can put them on a usb
[22:53] <xubuntu54w> the .deb files or whatever
[22:53] <bazhang> xubuntu54w, why would you ever need to do that
[22:54] <xubuntu54w> I JUST explained this
[22:54] <bazhang> put on a USB for what reason
[22:54] <xubuntu54w> last time I explained this you told me to go to a different channel...
[22:54] <Naphatul> xubuntu54w, yes go manually through each file and it's dependancies and download them
[22:54] <xubuntu54w> thought so :?
[22:54] <xubuntu54w> :/*
[22:54] <xubuntu54w> no other way?
[22:55] <xubuntu54w> does sudo apt-get allow you to just download the .debs?
[22:55] <bazhang> other than manually, or with a package manager?
[22:55] <xubuntu54w> other than manually/a package manager
[22:55] <Naphatul> xubuntu54w, yes
[22:55] <Naphatul> apt-get download
[22:55] <Naphatul> that should have been your first question
[22:56] <xubuntu54w> and that'll get the dependencies too?
[22:56] <Naphatul> xubuntu54w, i don't know but you can script it from there
[22:56] <xubuntu54w> thank you so much
[22:56] <Naphatul> ok now, from the logout menu, does "hibernate" mean suspend to disk or to ram?
[22:56] <jeblair> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-locker/+bug/1387413
[22:57] <knome> jeblair, cheers!
[22:59] <xubuntu54w> How do I format a usb from CLI in Xubuntu?
[22:59] <xubuntu54w> I want to format it to fat32
[23:01] <deshipu> xubuntu54w: using mkfs.vfat
[23:01] <slickymaster> xubuntu54w: sudo mkfs.vfat -n 'volume_name' -I /dev/sd_something
[23:03] <xubuntu54w> thanks
[23:14] <Naphatul> anyone? what does hibernate suspend to, disk or ram?
[23:16] <deshipu> Naphatul: hibernate suspends to disk, suspend suspends to ram
[23:16] <slickymaster> Naphatul: ^^ exactly
[23:17] <deshipu> Naphatul: you have to have enough swap to fit your whole ram for it to work
[23:17] <Naphatul> deshipu, yeah i know, i just haven't seen suspend anywhere
[23:17] <holstein> the swap saves the ram state..
[23:17] <Naphatul> and i remember they were interchangable in one distro
[23:17] <holstein> Naphatul: its disabled, by default.. AFAIK
[23:17] <Naphatul> that might be it
[23:17] <holstein> Naphatul: it may be referred to differently, but not interchangable
[23:18] <Naphatul> holstein, possibly
[23:18] <holstein> Naphatul: one is to disk the other to ram... thats *definitely*
[23:18] <Naphatul> well yeah i know they're different, but i know there was an option to change what the "suspend" suspended to
[23:19] <holstein> Naphatul: not in xubuntu/ubuntu.. suspend to disk is referred to as hibernate.. and suspend suspends to ram..
[23:19] <holstein> Naphatul: what are you trying to do?
[23:19] <Naphatul> holstein, nothing just figure out what it suspended to since the last time i remember messing with it it had options to where to suspend, not on xubuntu
[23:20] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/462472/xubuntu-14-04-how-to-enable-hibernate should help you enable hibernation. i personaly dont see a benefit over just shutdown..
[23:20] <Naphatul> i already made a swapfile if that's what you're worried about
[23:20] <Naphatul> and the benefit is that the save sessions in xfce doesn't work well at all
[23:20] <Naphatul> and i'd rather not reopen a hundred things
[23:20] <holstein> Naphatul: on xubuntu, hibernate, or suspend to disk is disable.. so, you get suspend to ram "out of the box" if the hardware supports linux well
[23:21] <holstein> Naphatul: try enabling hibernation, if you want that..
[23:21] <Naphatul> so hibernate suspends to ram after all?
[23:22] <holstein> Naphatul: no
[23:22] <holstein> Naphatul: hibernate *saves* the ram state.. the power goes off on the machine in hibernate..
[23:22] <Naphatul> then why would i have to enable it if it's on by default?
[23:23] <holstein> Naphatul: its not
[23:23] <holstein> Naphatul: hibernate is not on by default.. its off.. suspend is on
[23:23] <Naphatul> holstein, i hit suspend and it suspended fine
[23:23] <holstein> hibernate is not that popular, and can be problematic
[23:23] <Naphatul> oh wait yeah sorry i though the button said hibernate
[23:23] <holstein> Naphatul: correct.. suspend should work fine, "out of the box".. you would need to enable hibernatation
[23:24] <xubuntu54w> ok I made a package download script using Synaptic
[23:24] <holstein> Naphatul: there likely is not hibernate button
[23:24] <xubuntu54w> so now in Puppy Linux my download manager should work
[23:24] <xubuntu54w> thx guys!
[23:24] <Naphatul> holstein, yup, i thought suspend said hibernate
[23:26] <Naphatul> guess suspending is fine for overnight
[23:27] <holstein> Naphatul: suspending just does what it does.. it either works for you or not.. it goes to a lower power state.. i sleep all machines that are laptops.. and shutdown all machines that are desktops
[23:27] <holstein> sleep = suspend ^
[23:27] <holstein> = suspend to ram..
[23:28] <Naphatul> well it's a desktop but i don't see suspending overnight causing any harm
[23:29] <holstein> Naphatul: i wouldnt want the power to shutoff to the unit too many times in that state.. but, if i didnt want to (for whatever reason) troubleshoot why xfce sessions are saving, or add hibernation, or deal with shutdown, or adding what i want to be running to autostart, etc.. i would use suspend on a desktop overnight.. sure
[23:29] <holstein> why sessions are not saving*