| Glamdring | I'm guessing you have nothing to dissuade me of that new conclusion? | 00:02 |
|---|---|---|
| holstein | Glamdring: its all open. do what you like | 00:02 |
| holstein | Glamdring: i would have to know more context to make a suggestion | 00:02 |
| * Glamdring nods. | 00:03 | |
| Glamdring | Well, I certainly wouldn't want to make my USB controller uselsss as a gamepad. I've seen programs which can opt to "grab" the mouse, but... are they set up to also "grab" the controller? | 00:04 |
| Glamdring | I'm talking above my pay grade. | 00:04 |
| Glamdring | (Still, an openness to mistakes is the only way to learn.) | 00:06 |
| Glamdring | Actually, what context do you need? | 00:07 |
| holstein | Glamdring: just details.. may already be something doing what you are looking for | 00:11 |
| * Glamdring nods. | 00:12 | |
| Glamdring | Well, I'd hardly be surprised if there were an appropriate keyboard shortcut. (An extant mouse shortcut would surprise me.) I think I can find a way to look at the configuration of my keyboard shortcuts; it's a file somewhere, and there's no LXDE-native GUI for that, right? | 00:14 |
| holstein | Glamdring: i usually try and just do the shortcuts in the openbox config files.. so, i havent tried a GUI for that | 00:14 |
| * Glamdring nods. | 00:15 | |
| holstein | Glamdring: i thought there was one in the menu.. | 00:15 |
| Glamdring | I didn't see one I understood as having it, and one of my Google results seemed to indicate there wasn't a GUI for it. | 00:15 |
| * Glamdring is really terrible with Google. | 00:15 | |
| holstein | Glamdring: and, things are changing... | 00:16 |
| Glamdring | Oh? How so? | 00:16 |
| holstein | Glamdring: lxqt or whatever | 00:18 |
| holstein | i mean, not like "before your very eyes" or anything.. but, things are moving around a bit | 00:18 |
| Glamdring | Well, I can't say as I quite understand, but it sounds like you're describing ongoing development decisions, yes? | 00:19 |
| holstein | Glamdring: upstream.. yes | 00:21 |
| Glamdring | I'll have to be aware, and perhaps a little wary. :) | 00:22 |
| holstein | Glamdring: nah.. you can sit on 14.04 for a long time anyways.. if you want | 00:22 |
| Glamdring | So it would probably be a service to myself to familiarize myself with the openbox config file, right? | 00:22 |
| Glamdring | Well, hence wariness. | 00:22 |
| holstein | Glamdring: i dont think it would hurt.. i actually learned a lot from running crunchbang | 00:23 |
| holstein | Glamdring: i'll still grab those config files and use them in lubuntu or where ever else | 00:23 |
| Glamdring | Crunchbang? | 00:23 |
| Glamdring | That's a deliberately disturbing epithet. | 00:24 |
| ianorlin | that is a distribution | 00:24 |
| holstein | Glamdring: its another linux distro.. minimal. but, just setup like i would setup the OS.. | 00:24 |
| ianorlin | that uses pure openbox | 00:24 |
| holstein | Glamdring: the configs are compatible, though.. mostly | 00:24 |
| Glamdring | I can't say as I really understand openbox yet. In the sense that I don't understand what it encompasses, and what other distros use instead for the same. | 00:25 |
| Glamdring | But that I'm sure I can wiki. | 00:25 |
| holstein | Glamdring: i learned a lot from virtualizing.. saved snapshots.. able to reallly tweak and revert | 00:26 |
| Glamdring | Oh my. That sounds nice. The reversion capability sounds quite crucial... | 00:28 |
| holstein | you cant necessarily test everything on live CD"s.. though, that is nice too | 00:28 |
| Glamdring | I've got a couple different distros on CDs right now. I just can't afford a stack of DVDs, so I started looking for things I could use in a pinch. Found LXDE and Lubuntu, read the descriptions, thought I'd give them a shot. | 00:30 |
| Glamdring | I'm adding my own bloat as time goes on, but it's so gosh darn nice not to start with any. | 00:30 |
| holstein | i like the base as well | 00:31 |
| Glamdring | That too. I don't feel like my hands are tied; I simply feel unfamiliar with the tool chest. It's unnerving, but not painful. | 00:33 |
| Glamdring | It's also a constant reminder that I should be using the command line more. | 00:33 |
| holstein | Glamdring: i just moved some things to the command line.. but, that was after i had been using the system for a few years, actually | 00:34 |
| holstein | i moved IRC chat to irssi in screen.. and i would just try and do simple file manipulation there.. cp, cd.. ls.. simple things | 00:34 |
| holstein | ssh as well.. to get to and maintain other machines | 00:35 |
| Glamdring | I need to start using screen, really. I mostly just use irssi right off the bat. | 00:35 |
| holstein | i used weechat for a bit.. and liked it | 00:35 |
| Glamdring | Is that a command line client? | 00:35 |
| ianorlin | yes | 00:36 |
| * Glamdring looks that up, sees the screenshot, smiles. | 00:36 | |
| holstein | !info weechat | 00:36 |
| ubottu | weechat (source: weechat): Fast, light and extensible chat client. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-1 (utopic), package size 2 kB, installed size 71 kB | 00:36 |
| Glamdring | I may have to try that... | 00:36 |
| Glamdring | Heh. And given its size, I highly doubt I'll regret installing it. | 00:36 |
| Glamdring | Has a few dependencies I lacked. I should learn more about that sea of information. | 00:38 |
| koell | Glamdring: dont forget to install weechat-plugins as well | 00:38 |
| Glamdring | Noted | 00:39 |
| Glamdring | Looks like it came with the package I installed. | 00:39 |
| Glamdring | Now, holstein, you were saying crunchbang was a good learning experience for you? Would you suggest I give it a shot on some future box of mine? | 00:44 |
| holstein | Glamdring: well, i use the configs for openbox.. it really just depends on what you are looking for | 00:44 |
| holstein | it may not do anything you are interested in doing.. | 00:45 |
| Glamdring | Well, one thing I need to learn is to take off the training wheels now and then. | 00:45 |
| Glamdring | There's a great deal I don't know how to do, fix, or even just maintain. | 00:46 |
| holstein | and, just be patient with yourself.. sounds like you are doing it right | 00:46 |
| holstein | Glamdring: keep good backups, since all hard drives fail, and plan for total failure.. on *any* os.. | 00:46 |
| Glamdring | Okay. | 00:47 |
| Glamdring | So, I'm thinking I should find and print up a good cheat sheet of bash commands, yes? | 00:47 |
| holstein | if you want.. | 00:47 |
| holstein | or just search as you go | 00:47 |
| holstein | also, the "history" command.. | 00:47 |
| Glamdring | Searching as I go doesn't seem to stick in my head, though. I often seem to forget the command and have to search for it again. | 00:48 |
| Glamdring | I'm hoping for something which more reliably sticks once I learn it. | 00:48 |
| Glamdring | Any suggestions? | 00:50 |
| holstein | when you use them more, it'll just happen | 00:50 |
| * Glamdring sighs. | 00:51 | |
| Glamdring | Been at this a couple years and I haven't used the command line enough to be comfortable. It's an uphill climb, apparently. | 00:51 |
| holstein | i had some cheat sheet printed out, and as my desktop wallpaper | 00:51 |
| Glamdring | That's a really brilliant idea. | 00:51 |
| holstein | Glamdring: nah. just get clear tasks, and complete them.. like, whatever you are need to do next | 00:51 |
| Glamdring | Oh god. | 00:52 |
| holstein | converting mp3's to whatever? do it in the command line.. deleting files? CLI | 00:52 |
| Glamdring | I mean, right now my major task is trying to share folders between two boxen. | 00:52 |
| Glamdring | Probably not the best place to start. | 00:52 |
| holstein | so, ssh, and scp | 00:52 |
| holstein | scp whatever you want from one machine to the other.. | 00:52 |
| holstein | or, setup samba in nano in the terminal. | 00:52 |
| Glamdring | Holy crap. What's nano? | 00:53 |
| holstein | !info nano | 00:53 |
| ubottu | nano (source: nano): small, friendly text editor inspired by Pico. In component main, is standard. Version 2.2.6-3 (utopic), package size 162 kB, installed size 596 kB | 00:53 |
| Glamdring | (That sounds a lot harder to wiki.) | 00:53 |
| holstein | just a simple CLI text editor.. | 00:53 |
| holstein | its more my speed :) | 00:53 |
| Glamdring | Oh! Right. | 00:53 |
| Glamdring | Shazbot, I should have remembered that. | 00:53 |
| Glamdring | scp = secure copy? | 00:54 |
| holstein | its a way you can move files between machine in the command line | 00:55 |
| Glamdring | Oh. And here I thought I'd found it. | 00:55 |
| Glamdring | The Wikipedia page on secure copy seemed like it fit the bill. What's the difference? | 00:56 |
| holstein | Glamdring: the difference in what? | 00:56 |
| Glamdring | Between the scp you're talking about and the secure copy the Wikipedia page is talking about. | 00:57 |
| holstein | they are likely the same | 00:57 |
| Glamdring | Oh. Okay. | 00:57 |
| Glamdring | Sorry, learning as I go. Trying to improve my google-fu while I'm at it, too. | 00:58 |
| Glamdring | Folks tend to get kinda pissed when you ask questions you could look up instead. | 00:59 |
| holstein | ubuntu community can be a little more loose and forgiving. | 00:59 |
| * Glamdring nods. | 01:00 | |
| Glamdring | Anyway, I'm apt to return to this at some point, but right now I think I'm going to go lay down. Been fighting a migraine all day. | 01:00 |
| Glamdring | If that doesn't work out, maybe more Fallout. | 01:01 |
| Glamdring | Thank you. I'll make a cheat sheet and put it on the desktop background. That sounds like a really good idea, and one I'll use a lot. | 01:03 |
| holstein | Glamdring: good luck.. i just downloaded mine, BTW.. there is a tshirt as well, with them upside down on it ;) | 01:04 |
| Glamdring | HA! Wish I could afford that! | 01:04 |
| holstein | well.. the background will be fre.. | 01:04 |
| holstein | free* | 01:04 |
| Glamdring | When you say "I just downloaded mine," you don't mean "just" as in "a moment ago," do you? | 01:04 |
| Glamdring | 'Cause if so, I would dig a URL. I just doubt it's the case. | 01:04 |
| holstein | no.. i mean, i didnt make it.. | 01:05 |
| Glamdring | I thought as much. The sentence reads both ways sans inflection, so it was worth asking. | 01:05 |
| Glamdring | I'm'a go look up a cheat sheet. Again, thank you! I'm sure I'll be back in here soon. | 01:05 |
| holstein | this was it though | 01:05 |
| holstein | http://i.imgur.com/1c9y0.png | 01:05 |
| Glamdring | Oh jebus, thank you. | 01:06 |
| Glamdring | Wow. Dense. But awesome. | 01:06 |
| Glamdring | Thank you. I'm off. | 01:06 |
| === LarrySteeze|Away is now known as LarrySteeze | ||
| firebb | why i need to set "Light Locker" every time I login to disable screen lock? | 05:17 |
| maven | Help needed with Lubuntu. Planning to install in 150 systems. | 06:25 |
| === roberto is now known as Guest12394 | ||
| __unik | hello. How can I make LXterminal realy transperency? | 12:52 |
| zy3pD | __unik, i think you could only make it transparent so you see the background | 12:55 |
| __unik | zy3pD no, I want to see the behind window | 12:55 |
| __unik | not the background | 12:55 |
| zy3pD | __unik, maybe with other termianl or composite mgr | 12:55 |
| __unik | zy3pD yeah so How can I do with compto | 12:56 |
| __unik | compton | 12:56 |
| __unik | thanks | 12:56 |
| zy3pD | __unik, i think you could do this yourself, but its Lubuntu! it must be a bit minimalisic ;-) | 12:56 |
| testdr | __unik: you change the background-color transparency | 12:57 |
| __unik | testdr: changing the opacity only helped me see the background | 12:57 |
| __unik | not behind window one | 12:57 |
| testdr | __unik: thats what zy3pD already tried to explain - those things are only fake-look-thru | 12:58 |
| __unik | well I am trying to make a real-look | 12:59 |
| __unik | lol | 12:59 |
| testdr | __unik: you have to use a windowmanager, that will not only provide background, it must have the possibility to provide different background for each window depending on what other things are behind | 12:59 |
| testdr | __unik: cause LXDE (and openbox) should run on low-power-graphics-devices, this is not possible. | 13:01 |
| zy3pD | testdr, it is possible but it doesn't make sence __unik! | 13:02 |
| zy3pD | testdr, do you speak german? | 13:02 |
| testdr | zy3pD: yep - ma english may suspect it | 13:03 |
| zy3pD | testdr, nö geht schon aber ich glaub ich hatte dich schonma in #ubuntu-de-offtopic gesehen deshalb | 13:04 |
| just4humans | hi all | 16:06 |
| holstein | o/ | 16:06 |
| bollullera | \o/ | 16:06 |
| zy3pD | does anybody cares about this bug: when i use 2 monitors on the first the desktop contexttmenu is the normal one but on the secound he shows the ob menu | 16:16 |
| testdr | zy3pD: maybe i would care about, can you buy me a second flatscreen? -- sing: Oh Lord -- would you buy me -- a flatscreen TV -.- | 16:19 |
| zy3pD | testdr, ich würde dir gerne helfen, aber ich kann dir grad keinen monitor abgeben, hab selbst nur 5 ^^ | 16:22 |
| testdr | sing along: My friends all have quad-cores -- i must make amends! | 16:22 |
| testdr | zy3pD: LXDE(openbox) kennt Einstellungen was der primäre Bildschirm sein soll - und dann gibt es noch die feste X11-conf Einstellungen | 16:23 |
| testdr | !sorry forgot - speak english here! | 16:25 |
| ubottu | testdr: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 16:25 |
| zy3pD | hehe | 16:25 |
| testdr | LXDE(openbox) has settings what screen/desktop is the primary one or if every should be treated the same | 16:26 |
| ianorlin | zy3pD: zy3pD which version of lubuntu are you on? | 16:33 |
| ianorlin | That is actaully better than having it show no menu at all on right click | 16:33 |
| zy3pD | which version: my first lubuntu was 13.04 ... since 13.04 ^^ (now on 14.04.1) | 16:39 |
| zh1 | http://lubuntu.net/tags/upgrade video links on this link are down | 16:55 |
| zh1 | sirs whats the proper comando to upgrade lubuntu to next release sudo do-release-upgrade? | 16:55 |
| zh1 | *comand | 16:56 |
| wxl | zh1: add the -d switch | 16:56 |
| zh1 | like sudo do-release-upgrade -d ? | 16:56 |
| wxl | zh1: yep | 16:58 |
| zh1 | wxl any more thing? | 17:00 |
| wxl | zh1: nope | 17:01 |
| zh1 | apt-get and aptitude on lubuntu are never used to upgrade on lubuntu? | 17:02 |
| wxl | zh1: do-release-upgrade, like those two, are a front end to dpkg (plus some other stuff) | 17:02 |
| zh1 | ah ok | 17:02 |
| wxl | s/are/is/ | 17:02 |
| zh1 | wxl thanks, gonna give this info to my friend to update system | 17:03 |
| wxl | zh1: note there has to be an upgrade path | 17:04 |
| wxl | e.g. 9.04 → 14.10 ain't going to work :) | 17:05 |
| zh1 | but from 13.10 to 14.10 will? | 17:05 |
| zh1 | i think he has 13.10 | 17:05 |
| wxl | anything on the EoL list (including 13.10) is going to be a problem https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases | 17:06 |
| wxl | there are upgrade paths between LTS releases (10.04 → 12.04 for example) | 17:06 |
| wxl | but not EoL LTS releases | 17:06 |
| wxl | here's how https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades | 17:07 |
| wxl | total pain in the butt! | 17:07 |
| zh1 | wxl if it doesnt work the command will just fail, right? | 17:07 |
| zh1 | so i can try it ? | 17:07 |
| wxl | yep | 17:07 |
| wxl | if i remember correctly it is possible to use the installer to upgrade | 17:08 |
| zh1 | i was checking those releases maybe its not 13.10 | 17:08 |
| zh1 | i know i installed the system around march this year | 17:08 |
| zh1 | ah no, there is one 13.10 | 17:10 |
| === just4humans__ is now known as just4humans | ||
| === IAmNotThatGuy is now known as Mohi | ||
| ianorlin | zh1 intsalling lts may be better for people that don't really keep track of support windows | 17:41 |
| genii | !purelxde | 20:22 |
| ubottu | If you want to remove all !KDE, !GNOME and !XFCE packages and have a default !Lubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxde » | 20:22 |
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