| thumper | what ever happened to webapp integration with the sound menu? | 01:56 |
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| thumper | like spotify? | 01:56 |
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| didrocks | morning | 07:51 |
| pitti | Noskcaj: if the version you branched off in the PPA is the same as in vivid, and you used distro-compatible version numbers, we can sync the sources; otherwise needs merges/uploads | 08:16 |
| pitti | Noskcaj: upower synced; it'll stay in -proposed until the transition is done | 08:19 |
| seb128 | hey pitti | 08:22 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 08:22 |
| pitti | hey seb128 | 08:24 |
| seb128 | pitti, did we decide to start the upower transition? | 08:31 |
| pitti | seb128: well, it was started long ago, and Noskcaj has everything ready in his PPA? I don't see why not? | 08:31 |
| pitti | and so does Debian | 08:31 |
| seb128 | pitti, not sure, we decided to not go for it before utopic because the xubuntu team was unhappy about it | 08:31 |
| seb128 | but I didn't follow the details/what problem it created for them | 08:32 |
| seb128 | I just know they reached to the release team to have the ffe refused | 08:32 |
| pitti | seb128: the only long-time blocker was indicator-power, but Charles ported it recently | 08:32 |
| seb128 | oh well, it's a start of cycle, we can figure out the remaining bits | 08:32 |
| pitti | yes, because it was too close to release indeed | 08:32 |
| pitti | so let's not slip it again :) | 08:32 |
| seb128 | I'm just a bit worried about piling too many transitions at the same time in proposed | 08:33 |
| seb128 | because they interact and we end up with months of untangling before being able to get anything through then | 08:33 |
| seb128 | reading backlog | 08:34 |
| seb128 | Noskcaj, gtk "transition"? I do hope the new GTK is not ABI incompatible/doesn't require a transition | 08:34 |
| pitti | seb128: well, as it stands the old upower makes things more complicated wrt. merging from Debian or updating to new upstream versions, so I think it's one of the first that we should do | 08:34 |
| pitti | it's all ready, after all | 08:34 |
| seb128 | k | 08:35 |
| seb128 | well, some of the transitions are already in proposed by autosyncs | 08:35 |
| seb128 | so we don't get to decide to start or not those | 08:35 |
| seb128 | anyway, let's see how it goes | 08:35 |
| seb128 | reading backlog still | 08:36 |
| seb128 | didrocks, @qtcreator on unity8/mir, bregma had a look previous cycle and know what is not working iirc | 08:37 |
| seb128 | so maybe check with him first | 08:37 |
| seb128 | it might spare some work | 08:37 |
| didrocks | seb128: oh sure, will do :) | 08:37 |
| didrocks | thanks | 08:37 |
| seb128 | yw | 08:37 |
| seb128 | didrocks, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/04/17/%23ubuntu-desktop.html#t14:56 | 08:38 |
| didrocks | thx | 08:39 |
| seb128 | "bregmahey tedg I'm trying to run Qt Creator in my Unity 8 Desktop Preview session but it apparent fails because its subprocesses are not allowed to connect or something, what's the best approach to analysing that problem" | 08:39 |
| * didrocks opens | 08:39 | |
| willcooke | morning | 08:40 |
| seb128 | hey willcooke | 08:40 |
| seb128 | willcooke, ^ btw, about qtcreator | 08:40 |
| willcooke | ah, cool | 08:40 |
| seb128 | so it's rather a process management issue, if the problem is still the same one | 08:41 |
| seb128 | not a rendering one | 08:41 |
| willcooke | hmmmm | 08:41 |
| willcooke | that sounds complicated | 08:41 |
| didrocks | yeah, seems that we depend on the API team :/ | 08:42 |
| didrocks | and they want to know if they implement that using upstart or systemd | 08:42 |
| pitti | Noskcaj: you don't have distro compatible version numbers there (quite rightfully for a PPA), so that'll need uploads; also, several of the gnome-* are in bzr | 08:42 |
| pitti | Noskcaj: also some merges with newer versions | 08:42 |
| seb128 | I've an appointment at 10, need to go, back a bit later (going to have some shifted hours in the evening to compensate) | 08:46 |
| willcooke | seb128, catch you later | 08:47 |
| Laney | morning | 09:03 |
| Laney | darkxst: The problem was that new clutter-1.0 had Breaks on the current mutter | 09:03 |
| Noskcaj | seb128, Just the random visual stuff that always breaks | 09:13 |
| Noskcaj | pitti, That's the utopic stuff, i wasn't sure if i should re-do it in PPA. | 09:14 |
| pitti | Noskcaj: nah, let's just upload it to vidid now | 09:14 |
| pitti | vivid, too | 09:14 |
| Noskcaj | ok | 09:14 |
| Noskcaj | I'll make a heap of MPs in the next few days then | 09:14 |
| Noskcaj | need sleep for now though | 09:17 |
| xnox | seb128: Laney: i think we need to discuss ssh/gpg agents for the default desktop. I'm getting complaints, after re-enabling gnome-keyring by default via SRU. | 09:20 |
| Laney | hi xnox, got some time off? ;-) | 09:44 |
| Laney | what are the complaints? | 09:44 |
| Laney | I have swapped this problem out of my brain state I'm afraid | 09:45 |
| xnox | Laney: gnome-keyring's ssh/gpg agents are subpar compared to openssh/gnupg agents. | 09:46 |
| xnox | Laney: it can't handle eliptic curve keys, keys that are protected by a better encryption algorithms, smartcards, ssh certificates, etc. | 09:46 |
| Laney | what happens without upstart? | 09:46 |
| xnox | Laney: but, it's still the default via xdg autostart, and it's now default for ssh/gpg with upstart. | 09:47 |
| xnox | in xdg autostart it's .desktop file per component (secrects, pkcs11, ssh, gpg), in upstart it's a single job. | 09:47 |
| Laney | I guess before people could just untick it in the startup applications thing? | 09:47 |
| Laney | or is it being non split the problem? | 09:47 |
| xnox | yes. and the untick doesn't migrate to upstart job overrides. | 09:48 |
| Laney | is it lack of UI? | 09:48 |
| Laney | don't understand really | 09:48 |
| xnox | and the upstart job is unsplit so one can't start pkcs11/secrets by gnome-keyring, without it also taking over ssh/gpg agents. | 09:48 |
| xnox | and yeah, there is no UI for it. | 09:48 |
| xnox | (and the xdg autostart override is not honored by the upstart job) | 09:49 |
| Laney | upstart job parsing .desktop file? :) | 09:49 |
| xnox | can the UI ticks/unticks be queried somehow? cause i think upstart job shouldn't run if it was disabled. | 09:49 |
| xnox | and we should split gnome-keyring uptart job into 4 components - keyring, pkcs11, gpg, ssh - just like xdg autostart desktop files are split | 09:50 |
| Laney | it puts a desktop file in .config/ somewhere with Hidden=true, so you could read that | 09:50 |
| xnox | what about giving up on keyring's ssh & gpg agents all together? | 09:51 |
| Laney | don't think so | 09:51 |
| xnox | and only use gnome-keyring for secrets & pkcs11. | 09:51 |
| xnox | cause it can unlock/save the ssh/gpg passwords, right? | 09:51 |
| Laney | I guess I'm a simple ssh key user but it works well enough for me | 09:52 |
| xnox | Laney: any idea what gnome-keyring's pkcs11 component does? | 09:52 |
| Laney | smart card support isn't it? | 09:54 |
| seb128 | back | 09:58 |
| seb128 | Laney, hey, wie gehts? | 09:58 |
| darkxst | Laney, ok, I didnt see that | 10:00 |
| Laney | hey seb128, doing good thanks, went to a ska show last night :-o | 10:00 |
| Laney | then got SOAKED on the way back | 10:00 |
| seb128 | "ska"? | 10:01 |
| Laney | no waterproofs | 10:01 |
| * seb128 googles and learn a new thing | 10:01 | |
| darkxst | Laney, but landing new clutter with current mutter is trivial | 10:01 |
| seb128 | Laney, better to get soaked on the way back than on the way there... | 10:01 |
| Laney | darkxst: maybe, but it's better for you to do it than me | 10:01 |
| Laney | I didn't know if you can have new mutter and old gnome-shell | 10:01 |
| darkxst | Laney, no you can't do that | 10:02 |
| Laney | so then you have to upgrade gnome-shell which requires gtk | 10:02 |
| darkxst | but new clutter with old mutter will work | 10:02 |
| Laney | if you drop the breaks? | 10:02 |
| Laney | why are they there then? | 10:02 |
| Laney | seb128: yep, but if it was raining when I left I would have taken the waterproof stuff :p | 10:03 |
| Laney | some guy standing outside a pub laughed quite a lot at me | 10:03 |
| darkxst | yes, for api/abi break, which there was a minor one | 10:03 |
| darkxst | I suppose | 10:03 |
| Laney | anyway, this can wait until next week to do it properly | 10:04 |
| Laney | did we get a rebased mir patch for gtk 3.14 yet? | 10:05 |
| darkxst | Laney, yes next week is fine | 10:05 |
| darkxst | Laney, I think we will need upower and maybe gnome-desktop before we can land gnome-shell 3.14 ;( | 10:06 |
| Laney | upower is happening or going to happen | 10:07 |
| pitti | darkxst: new upower is in -proposed, we need to upload Noskcaj's PPA changes now | 10:07 |
| Laney | is g-desktop hard? | 10:07 |
| pitti | Laney: ^ | 10:07 |
| Laney | cool | 10:07 |
| pitti | we should do this quickly to reduce delta from debian and unblock other transitions | 10:07 |
| seb128 | Laney, I think larsu's vcs had that "rbeased", read it applies/build, unsure it works | 10:08 |
| Laney | didn't when I looked | 10:08 |
| Laney | maybe it does now? | 10:08 |
| seb128 | didn't work? | 10:08 |
| seb128 | where did you try? unity8 desktop? | 10:09 |
| Laney | was disabled | 10:09 |
| seb128 | hum | 10:09 |
| darkxst | Laney, I think gnome-desktop should be pretty straight forward this time | 10:09 |
| Laney | yeah it is | 10:09 |
| seb128 | k, dunno then | 10:09 |
| Laney | I thought desrt was doing it, might be wrong | 10:09 |
| seb128 | Lars said it applies/builds | 10:09 |
| seb128 | iirc | 10:10 |
| seb128 | but he's not here this week | 10:10 |
| seb128 | that can wait monday imho | 10:10 |
| darkxst | I'm also working on gnome-session merge, which is a little tangled trying to revert old dialogs] | 10:10 |
| Laney | darkxst: mitya57 / Alberts work upstream doesn't help? | 10:10 |
| darkxst | Laney, how far have they got? it only helps if they stop using the gnome-session dialogs | 10:11 |
| Laney | I thought that was the point | 10:11 |
| seb128 | "they"? | 10:11 |
| seb128 | is that gnome-panel? | 10:12 |
| Laney | yep | 10:12 |
| seb128 | do we care about gnome-session sessions not using gnome-shell/unity/gnome-panel? | 10:12 |
| seb128 | is there any of those in use? | 10:12 |
| Laney | does that exist? | 10:12 |
| seb128 | like running gnome with cairodock or something | 10:12 |
| seb128 | instead of panel | 10:12 |
| seb128 | dunno, that's what I'm asking | 10:12 |
| darkxst | seb128, gnome-panel has its own dialogs, but they are not used for keyboard shortcuts, last time I checked | 10:13 |
| Laney | I would check with thowe two | 10:14 |
| seb128 | bah, packages.ubuntu.com is buggy/incomplete | 10:14 |
| Laney | before doing any complex reverts or whatever | 10:14 |
| seb128 | wasn't p.u.c able to look for packages containing a directory, like /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions/ ? | 10:16 |
| darkxst | Laney, will do, I kind of stopped once I saw how tangled it was anyway | 10:18 |
| seb128 | happyaron, hey, did you see my fcitx error yesterday? | 10:29 |
| seb128 | happyaron, bug #1387382 | 10:32 |
| ubot5 | bug 1387382 in fcitx (Ubuntu) "package libfcitx-config4 (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libfcitx-config.so.4.1', which is also in package fcitx-libs:amd64 1:4.2.8.5-1" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1387382 | 10:32 |
| pitti | seb128, Laney, Noskcaj: starting to upload some upower transition bits now, if that's ok? | 10:55 |
| pitti | (with merging/pushing to bzr, etc.) | 10:56 |
| pitti | e. g. gnome-applets is now a fakesync | 10:56 |
| Laney | fine by me | 10:57 |
| Laney | thanks for helping! | 10:57 |
| pitti | I'm doing -proposed cleanup today anyway, so I might just as well :) | 10:57 |
| pitti | and this has been lingering far too long | 10:57 |
| Laney | we planned to do it at the start of this cycle | 10:58 |
| Laney | hey didrocks, CI train question ;-) | 11:25 |
| Laney | if I have a branch with a tagged (uploaded) revision and another commit on top | 11:25 |
| Laney | can CI train figure this out? | 11:25 |
| Laney | i.e. will it notice the extra commit and let me upload it? | 11:26 |
| pitti | darkxst, Noskcaj: gnome-session would need heavy backport patching for upower (in https://launchpad.net/~noskcaj/+archive/ubuntu/upower/+packages); do you actually want to do this, or rather just update to 3.14? | 11:40 |
| pitti | seb128, Laney: unity-control-center/settings-daemon are in a "magic" bzr; is this supposed to go through CI train, or normal commit/push? | 11:43 |
| pitti | .../dput? | 11:43 |
| Laney | pitti: ci train, but dput if you want, I don't mind | 11:44 |
| pitti | and one makes up a new sensible version number? | 11:44 |
| Laney | just commit/tag/push to the branch | 11:44 |
| Laney | just ubuntu2 is fine | 11:44 |
| pitti | 14.10.0+14.10.20140922 would be quite wrong, though | 11:44 |
| pitti | (obvious how to bump, of course) | 11:44 |
| Laney | I don't know how the upstream upstream part is generated | 11:45 |
| Laney | but they're 1.0 so you can just edit the source | 11:45 |
| didrocks | Laney: CI train will always take latest branch content | 11:53 |
| didrocks | so yeah, it will notice this extra commit and let you upload it | 11:54 |
| pitti | so I build the orig.tar.gz from everything except debian/, I suppose? | 11:54 |
| Laney | pitti: just bzr bd -S should do it | 11:54 |
| didrocks | yeah, it's in splitmode | 11:55 |
| Laney | or you can drive the train if you want, all core-devs should have permission | 11:55 |
| * willcooke . . o ( tickets please ) | 11:55 | |
| didrocks | willcooke: on my original airplane vision, there are some tickets concepts :) | 11:56 |
| * pitti hides in the toilet | 11:56 | |
| Laney | is there status and upgrades? | 11:56 |
| Laney | and lost baggage? | 11:56 |
| Laney | :P | 11:56 |
| didrocks | pitti: no smoking please! | 11:56 |
| willcooke | is there a white zone which is for the loading and unloading of passengers only? | 11:57 |
| pitti | didrocks: je ne fume jamais ! | 11:57 |
| didrocks | Laney: well, now, I would implement business class at least ;) | 11:57 |
| willcooke | :D | 11:57 |
| Laney | that's called being a core-dev | 11:58 |
| * Laney breezes right through all of the checks | 11:58 | |
| didrocks | heh | 11:58 |
| pitti | Laney: oh, I see https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/ubuntu-system-settings/upower0.99/+merge/230988 ; that never landed, is that broken, or needs an ack, or it was just forgotten? | 12:02 |
| Laney | the last two | 12:03 |
| darkxst | pitti, not entirely sure what what you are talking about gnome-session, but I will have g-s 3.14 ready soon enough | 12:05 |
| pitti | darkxst: for the upower transition; applying the patches to 3.8 is a bit hackish IMHO | 12:06 |
| pitti | darkxst: it's in the PPA, but I figure you'd rather want to upgrade to 3.14 anyway? | 12:06 |
| darkxst | pitti, gnome-session is at 3.9.90ish in that archives no? | 12:07 |
| pitti | darkxst: right, that's what I meant (not 3.8) | 12:07 |
| pitti | Laney: oh sorry, unity-system-settings != unity-control-center :) | 12:08 |
| Laney | ITYM ubuntu-system-settings | 12:08 |
| darkxst | pitti, and yes we should just go with 3.14 straight up, if possible | 12:09 |
| pitti | darkxst: OK, so I'll leave those two bits of bug 1330037 to you and Noskcaj? | 12:09 |
| ubot5 | bug 1330037 in xfce4-settings (Ubuntu) "[FFe] upower 0.99.1 transition" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1330037 | 12:09 |
| darkxst | pitti, I wont have time to look until the weekend, but ok | 12:12 |
| pitti | darkxst: that sounds fine | 12:12 |
| darkxst | pitti, ok | 12:14 |
| * darkxst must sleep now | 12:15 | |
| Laney | night! | 12:16 |
| didrocks | willcooke: Laney: seb128: so, I have the ubuntu desktop next image booted here, I have the password prompt asking me for a password, empty or "ubuntu" doesn't work | 12:23 |
| didrocks | seb128: is it the thing we saw together and so, the blank password doesn't really work under Qt? | 12:23 |
| didrocks | hum, updated to "ubuntu" in a tty and still doesn't work | 12:25 |
| didrocks | weren't we supposed to autolog in that live image? | 12:26 |
| seb128 | didrocks, just go to a vt and change the passwd | 12:26 |
| didrocks | 13:25:11 didrocks | hum, updated to "ubuntu" in a tty and still doesn't work | 12:26 |
| didrocks | seb128: ^ | 12:26 |
| seb128 | didrocks, or edit https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/unity8/drop-workaround-empty-pwd-login/+merge/239401 by hand | 12:26 |
| seb128 | didrocks, it's one line to delete | 12:27 |
| seb128 | didrocks, we do autologin, you get the unity8 lock screen | 12:27 |
| seb128 | and we don't use "no password" | 12:27 |
| seb128 | we use the empty password set as a passwd | 12:27 |
| seb128 | remember, that's what you helped me with in washington ;-) | 12:27 |
| didrocks | hence my 13:23:49 didrocks | seb128: is it the thing we saw together and so, the blank password doesn't really work under Qt? | 12:28 |
| didrocks | so yeah, I do remember about it :) | 12:28 |
| didrocks | it's still weird to have that prompt, even with empty password | 12:28 |
| seb128 | didrocks, try deleting the line from that mr ^ | 12:28 |
| didrocks | and that it doesn't work if you passwd | 12:28 |
| didrocks | yeah, doing that (restarting, it hanged) | 12:28 |
| seb128 | didrocks, well, prompt is normal, because from a pam viewpoint you have a password | 12:29 |
| seb128 | the text just happens to be the empty string | 12:29 |
| seb128 | still unsure why the livecd guys did that | 12:29 |
| seb128 | rather than using passwd -d | 12:29 |
| didrocks | seb128: unity8 isn't an upstart job? | 12:30 |
| seb128 | it is | 12:30 |
| * didrocks can't sudo restart unity8 | 12:30 | |
| seb128 | no sudo | 12:30 |
| seb128 | it's an user job | 12:30 |
| didrocks | unknown job as well (from a tty) | 12:30 |
| seb128 | same user? | 12:31 |
| didrocks | ubuntu-desktop-next@ | 12:31 |
| Laney | you won't be in the upstart session there | 12:31 |
| seb128 | you need to export the right env | 12:31 |
| seb128 | easier to sig9 unity8 | 12:31 |
| didrocks | seb128: doesn't really restart after a sigkill | 12:33 |
| seb128 | weird | 12:33 |
| didrocks | ok, rebooting then | 12:33 |
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| didrocks | hoping that the key is persistent :) | 12:34 |
| didrocks | humok, not persistent and unity8 definitively doesn't restart after a sigkill. Let me try an installation on that machine… | 12:38 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I usually sudo restart lightdm | 12:38 |
| seb128 | that for sure work | 12:38 |
| didrocks | ah, the whole login… | 12:38 |
| seb128 | yes | 12:39 |
| didrocks | ok, doing | 12:39 |
| seb128 | well, it works on utopuc | 12:39 |
| seb128 | utopic even | 12:39 |
| seb128 | didn't try vivid yet | 12:39 |
| didrocks | I will tell you if this works with vivid :) | 12:39 |
| didrocks | however, booting is quite unreliable… | 12:40 |
| seb128 | :-/ | 12:41 |
| seb128 | usb stick issue you think? | 12:41 |
| didrocks | really unsure, worked well with other live recently, never got a glinch | 12:42 |
| didrocks | ok, restarting lightdm works and I can log in | 12:43 |
| seb128 | great | 12:46 |
| seb128 | now we just need to nag Saviq to get that one liner unity8 change in vivid | 12:46 |
| seb128 | that shouldn't be blocker by rtm | 12:46 |
| Saviq | seb128, yeah, will do | 12:47 |
| seb128 | Saviq, thanks | 12:47 |
| Saviq | seb128, I've one vivid landing that I just ACKed (sync with rtm really) | 12:48 |
| seb128 | Saviq, it doesn't include that change though? | 12:48 |
| Saviq | seb128, not yet | 12:48 |
| seb128 | :-( | 12:48 |
| Saviq | seb128, I need to get a clean-ish slate first | 12:48 |
| seb128 | it's a one liner and safe, shame it takes so much effort to get it landed :/ | 12:48 |
| seb128 | it doesn't even impact codepath used on the phone | 12:49 |
| Saviq | seb128, well, it's not that one that takes so much effort, it's everything else that got out of sync between vivid and rtm | 12:49 |
| Saviq | seb128, yeah, which is why it won't land in rtm at all | 12:49 |
| seb128 | well, you could have batched with whatever else was in there | 12:49 |
| seb128 | it's not going to conflict with rtm work | 12:49 |
| Saviq | seb128, except I already have like 30 branches in there | 12:49 |
| seb128 | so it should apply fine on whatever you upload to vivid | 12:49 |
| seb128 | k, anyway just being grumpy about desktop-next login being buggy since july | 12:50 |
| seb128 | sorry for the ranting | 12:50 |
| Saviq | seb128, it'll happen, really, it will, I just couldn't land that silo yesterday 'cause we had a different issue | 12:50 |
| seb128 | I just wish desktop would get some attention | 12:50 |
| Saviq | seb128, well now, bug was only filed in september | 12:50 |
| seb128 | Saviq, k, thanks | 12:50 |
| Saviq | seb128, MP is ap since when, a week? | 12:51 |
| seb128 | Saviq, yeah, I discussed it a couple of times with mterry and others | 12:51 |
| seb128 | Saviq, right, I did look at fixing because nobody was looking at it since <ages> | 12:51 |
| Saviq | seb128, it's not like we're trying to ignore that actively | 12:51 |
| seb128 | but I guess I could have looked earlier, I'm as much to blame as others | 12:51 |
| Saviq | seb128, we're basically excluded from what happens in desktop-next | 12:51 |
| seb128 | Saviq, well, it's more than we let land things that regress the desktop and then don't bother trying to sort out the regressions | 12:52 |
| seb128 | Saviq, we need the test plans to account for desktop-next | 12:52 |
| seb128 | and stop the line when we bug this one | 12:52 |
| didrocks | argh, I have no way to disable the touchscreen on Mir | 12:53 |
| didrocks | and this hardware gives random inputs, so I needed on X to disable it | 12:53 |
| seb128 | didrocks, we don't have any on unity7/xorg either I think | 12:53 |
| didrocks | seb128: xinput | 12:54 |
| seb128 | oh, right, I though you mean GUI | 12:54 |
| didrocks | and then toggle the correct property | 12:54 |
| didrocks | no | 12:54 |
| didrocks | just want to disable it whatever | 12:54 |
| seb128 | k | 12:54 |
| didrocks | here, my mouse is moving randomely | 12:54 |
| didrocks | clicking | 12:54 |
| didrocks | not really nice to experiment… | 12:54 |
| seb128 | on what device did you install it? | 12:54 |
| didrocks | XT2 | 12:54 |
| seb128 | oh, so you have a test laptop :-) does that have bt? | 12:55 |
| didrocks | it doesn't | 12:55 |
| seb128 | I see | 12:55 |
| didrocks | it claims it has one, but doesnt' work | 12:55 |
| didrocks | tried with fedora/ubuntu | 12:55 |
| didrocks | but yeah, the unity8 image isn't usable at all if I can't turn off the wrongly touch screen :( | 12:55 |
| seb128 | if you are going to work on bluetooth I guess it would be worst expensing a stick | 12:55 |
| didrocks | seb128: well, seems priority changes, so not sure yet, but yeah, it would make sense | 12:56 |
| seb128 | :-( | 12:56 |
| seb128 | did you ask on the mir channel about turning off touch? | 12:56 |
| didrocks | not yet, will try | 12:56 |
| didrocks | have few hope though | 12:56 |
| seb128 | I first had to create some text file for the touch screen to work on the latitude | 12:57 |
| seb128 | not sure if they moved away from those description | 12:57 |
| didrocks | seb128: how would you try starting any random .desktop file? | 12:57 |
| * didrocks goes on #mir | 12:57 | |
| seb128 | if they didn't you might be able to delete a file to make it stop work | 12:57 |
| seb128 | didrocks, X-Ubuntu-Touch=true in the .desktop and restart the session | 12:58 |
| seb128 | (or maybe just the dash process is enough, or a lens) | 12:58 |
| seb128 | that makes the .desktop listed in the dash | 12:58 |
| seb128 | I can run gedit like that | 12:58 |
| didrocks | ok, let's try | 12:58 |
| didrocks | seb128: perfect, thanks! :) | 12:59 |
| didrocks | so, confirming Qtcreator is quite, unusable | 13:00 |
| didrocks | can't even switch back to it clicking to the .desktop file | 13:01 |
| seb128 | didrocks, can you right swipe back to it? | 13:02 |
| desrt | good morning | 13:02 |
| didrocks | yeah, this is working | 13:02 |
| didrocks | morning desrt | 13:02 |
| desrt | Laney: what am i supposed to have been doing? | 13:03 |
| seb128 | hey desrt, how are you? | 13:03 |
| desrt | sleepy :) | 13:03 |
| pitti | hey desrt | 13:03 |
| desrt | pitti: good morning | 13:04 |
| seb128 | desrt, rebasing the gtk-mir patch on current stable gtk I think | 13:04 |
| desrt | oh. i did that and pastebinned it to larsu | 13:04 |
| desrt | it was pretty simple -- only had one conflict in configure.ac | 13:04 |
| seb128 | who is off this week | 13:04 |
| desrt | i can do it again | 13:04 |
| seb128 | so maybe he did it but didn't push his work | 13:04 |
| seb128 | don't bother | 13:04 |
| seb128 | that can wait monday for Lars to be back | 13:05 |
| desrt | sure | 13:05 |
| * desrt acquires coffee | 13:06 | |
| Laney | I was just saying that I thought it did happen | 13:06 |
| * didrocks waits for an answer on #ubuntu-mir… | 13:07 | |
| seb128 | didrocks, east is sleeping, u.k is eating, u.s is sleeping, not the best time of the day ;-) | 13:07 |
| didrocks | seb128: let's see if they will reply when being back | 13:08 |
| seb128 | yeah | 13:08 |
| didrocks | I'm afraid from past experience though :) | 13:08 |
| didrocks | ok, great, I have a name to bother now :) | 13:09 |
| seb128 | didrocks, see :-) | 13:09 |
| seb128 | I was going to suggest racarr as well | 13:09 |
| seb128 | nice to see you got a reply though | 13:09 |
| didrocks | yeah, things are changing with years :) | 13:09 |
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| desrt | seb128: us may be sleeping, but .ca is drinking coffee | 13:13 |
| didrocks | interesting, the tty was in fr, and unity8 used US layout | 13:25 |
| didrocks | I guess we'll have quite a lot of such bugs… | 13:26 |
| seb128 | "input" under Mir is not something that got lot of work yet, that's on the list for this cycle though | 13:28 |
| * didrocks waits on tedg to get up now! :) | 13:30 | |
| ChrisTownsend | seb128: Hey, I was reading the backlog here and noticed some discussion about https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/unity8/drop-workaround-empty-pwd-login/+merge/239401 which is linked to bug #1360307. I think that bug is slightly different than what your fix is addressing. | 13:32 |
| ubot5 | bug 1360307 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "Logging in to the desktop session brings up the lock screen" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1360307 | 13:32 |
| seb128 | ChrisTownsend, hey, shrug | 13:33 |
| ChrisTownsend | seb128: Correct me if I'm wrong, but your fix doesn't get rid of the unity-greeter prompt at that point, right? It only accepts an empty password, right? | 13:33 |
| seb128 | ChrisTownsend, did you open another one for "can't log in from unity8 log screen"? | 13:33 |
| seb128 | ChrisTownsend, no, it doesn't but I though your bug was about the "can't get to the session" | 13:33 |
| ChrisTownsend | seb128: Hmm, I don't remember. Let me go look around. | 13:33 |
| seb128 | feel free to change for another one | 13:33 |
| ChrisTownsend | seb128: Ok, if I didn't then I'll create one. But thanks a bunch for fixing that! | 13:34 |
| seb128 | ChrisTownsend, thanks | 13:34 |
| seb128 | yw! | 13:34 |
| desrt | so i did some research last night | 13:35 |
| desrt | looks like halifax has a few good hotels with lots of conference space | 13:36 |
| desrt | it also has (relatively short) direct flights from london and frankfurt | 13:37 |
| willcooke | hummm. Do we need a GStreamer sink for Mir? | 13:40 |
| desrt | "doesn't _really_ work like that" | 13:40 |
| willcooke | k | 13:41 |
| willcooke | :) | 13:41 |
| ogra_ | desrt, well ... | 13:41 |
| desrt | you need a gstreamer sink for drmable video memory | 13:41 |
| ogra_ | there are x11 sinks ... so you can take screenshots | 13:41 |
| desrt | ogra_: *sources | 13:42 |
| desrt | and this wouldn't work in mir from what i understand (for security reasons) | 13:42 |
| ogra_ | we kind of lack the same thing for mir | 13:42 |
| ogra_ | oh, right .. wrong term | 13:42 |
| * ogra_ was looking into doing screen captures locally on the phone before ... sadly you need to convert the raw data somehow | 13:43 | |
| desrt | willcooke: in short, you're probably never going to want gstreamer talking directly to the display server, but rather displaying something that's wrapped at least a little bit by some toolkit-provided chrome (controls and such) | 13:43 |
| desrt | unless you want a really trivial demo output for debug/demo purposes (and indeed this exists for x11) | 13:43 |
| desrt | and the way that gstreamer talks to the toolkit for showing video in wayland is going to be more or less exactly the same as for mir | 13:44 |
| desrt | and it has more to do with the acceleration capabilities of the graphics card than it has to do with the display server | 13:45 |
| tedg | didrocks, ping | 13:48 |
| didrocks | tedg: pong | 13:50 |
| tedg | didrocks, You were waiting for me to wake up, but I can't figure out context. | 13:50 |
| didrocks | tedg: ah no worry :) some questions on what next steps we need to take to make qtcreator running on the desktop next image a reality | 13:50 |
| didrocks | tedg: I know you talked a little bit about it with bregma a while back | 13:51 |
| didrocks | I see that there are few X11 calls (mainly to raise the main window) | 13:51 |
| tedg | didrocks, I think that the part I was blocking on was landing the cgroups support in UAL, which we've done. | 13:51 |
| didrocks | but apart from multi-window managements, it seems you thought about other issues to the multi-process needs? | 13:51 |
| tedg | didrocks, That way Mir can detect all the process connections for an app. | 13:52 |
| didrocks | tedg: ok, this part is now over. and all processes are tagged for Mir to know it's part of this app | 13:52 |
| tedg | didrocks, I don't think that bregma is focused on Qt Desktop apps right now, they're trying to get something generic for legacy X apps. | 13:52 |
| bregma | the problem still happens but evidently cgroups was not the answer | 13:52 |
| didrocks | bregma: what was the problem you are talking about? | 13:53 |
| bregma | I haven't looked in to it lately, other than to check that it's still a problem | 13:53 |
| didrocks | the fact that one surface is displayed but doesn't receive any inputs? | 13:53 |
| bregma | QtCreator hangs after presenting the startup screen, witing for two subprocesses to complete | 13:53 |
| didrocks | how did you identify it was waiting on some subprocesses to complete? | 13:54 |
| didrocks | I see the same number of processes between my Xorg and Mir sessions | 13:54 |
| bregma | maybe there's a new problem then | 13:55 |
| bregma | it's the usual whack-a-mole problem getting stuff to run | 13:55 |
| didrocks | seems this likely won't be trivial | 13:55 |
| didrocks | also, I wonder why only the welcome screen is displayed | 13:55 |
| didrocks | not the chrome | 13:55 |
| didrocks | it's like it was sending the wrong surface to Mir? | 13:56 |
| bregma | I'll take a quick look again today, now that I've unbroken my test system again | 13:56 |
| didrocks | bregma: unbroken doesn't mean fixed? :) | 13:56 |
| didrocks | bregma: keep me posted if I can help you in any mean ;) | 13:57 |
| bregma | evidently you can DOS upstart with a well-crafter config file | 13:57 |
| didrocks | ahah | 13:57 |
| didrocks | stop calling upstart within upstart! :) | 13:57 |
| bregma | and an SSD can full up really fast with log messages | 13:57 |
| didrocks | yeah ;) | 13:58 |
| bregma | 13158 ? Ssl 0:01 | \_ qtcreator | 14:02 |
| bregma | 13221 ? Z 0:00 | | \_ [cmake] <defunct> | 14:02 |
| bregma | that's the problem there | 14:02 |
| bregma | dunno whu cmake gets run, that would require looking at code again | 14:03 |
| kenvandine | seb128, who takes care of ubuntu-themes these days? | 14:04 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, you! | 14:04 |
| seb128 | thanks for stepping up | 14:05 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 14:05 |
| willcooke | attente_, pingaling | 14:05 |
| * kenvandine disconnects | 14:05 | |
| seb128 | kenvandine, you are looking at the indicator updated icons? | 14:05 |
| kenvandine | bzr says larsu has been active | 14:05 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, I replied to Pat yesterday that I was ok taking that one | 14:05 |
| kenvandine | https://code.launchpad.net/~tiheum/ubuntu-themes/new-indicators/+merge/235598 | 14:05 |
| kenvandine | seb128, great | 14:05 |
| seb128 | but if you want to do it feel free | 14:05 |
| kenvandine | it doesn't merge cleanly though | 14:05 |
| seb128 | oh? :-/ | 14:05 |
| kenvandine | i replied on the MP | 14:05 |
| kenvandine | i'd rather not :) | 14:06 |
| seb128 | tiheum, ^ known issue? you might need to rebase | 14:06 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, thanks | 14:06 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, well, larsu has been maintaining the desktop theme/updating for newer GTK versions | 14:06 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, I'm fine handling those landings | 14:06 |
| attente_ | willcooke: hi | 14:07 |
| kenvandine | seb128, thanks :) | 14:08 |
| willcooke | attente_ in the house!! | 14:08 |
| didrocks | bregma: what are you using? I don't see that with pstree -p -s | 14:09 |
| kenvandine | seb128, i'm creating a vivid landing for everything not blocked by the unity8 landing | 14:09 |
| kenvandine | seb128, but no free silos right now | 14:09 |
| didrocks | bregma: with ps axf, I see the same (2 subprocess defunct, named qtcreator), as when run on X11 | 14:10 |
| didrocks | nice to see you back attente_! | 14:11 |
| didrocks | attente_: how are things in Canada? :) | 14:11 |
| bregma | didrocks, after a while the zombies seem to get reaped and regular Mir buffer swaps start happening, so it may be a non-problem there | 14:11 |
| bregma | as in, the problem is something else | 14:11 |
| attente_ | didrocks: pretty good, how was japan? | 14:11 |
| didrocks | attente_: excellent! Really worthed the travel and double jetlag :) | 14:12 |
| didrocks | attente_: I'll show you some photos if you want at next sprint (but not all of them, 2100+ ;)) | 14:12 |
| didrocks | at least, was nice to compare SNCF and a real train organization in a civilized country | 14:13 |
| attente_ | wow, you photographed everything there, ha | 14:13 |
| didrocks | yeah, it was really really nice, and had some splendid weather | 14:13 |
| didrocks | even discussed with an ubuntu fan at a shrine :) | 14:13 |
| didrocks | bregma: it seems that a subsurface is rendered anyway, I wonder if the inputs are just not matching the surface | 14:14 |
| didrocks | bregma: do you think we should ask the Mir team to look at this? | 14:15 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, excellent | 14:15 |
| didrocks | attente_: is it cold in Canada already? | 14:15 |
| bregma | didrocks, it wouldn't hurt: it may be pure Qt needs integration that's already in qt-mir or something | 14:16 |
| didrocks | yeah | 14:16 |
| attente_ | didrocks: not particularly, in toronto at least | 14:16 |
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| attente_ | it's about 5 degrees i think | 14:17 |
| willcooke | do we have an official IRC client? | 14:17 |
| willcooke | s/official/default | 14:17 |
| bregma | didrocks, forecast is for snow on Hallowe'en (Friday) here | 14:17 |
| * didrocks reads "not particularly cold" and "5" in the same sentence -> doesn't compute! :) | 14:18 | |
| didrocks | bregma: waow, lovely ;) | 14:18 |
| didrocks | willcooke: we don't, but most sane people don't use xchat-gnome and rather a CLI one | 14:18 |
| didrocks | willcooke: the kind of people using xchat-gnome are emacs users generally btw | 14:18 |
| willcooke | didrocks, BUUUUUULLLLLLLLLLSHHIIIII........ | 14:18 |
| didrocks | :p | 14:18 |
| willcooke | :D | 14:19 |
| willcooke | so I was chatting with attente_ about this | 14:19 |
| * seb128 doesn't feel concerned | 14:19 | |
| willcooke | and seb128 | 14:19 |
| willcooke | and didrocks | 14:19 |
| seb128 | who would use emacs and xchat-gnome? | 14:19 |
| willcooke | well lots of people | 14:19 |
| seb128 | crazyness ;-) | 14:19 |
| didrocks | seb128: isn't it? ;) | 14:19 |
| * mdeslaur slaps didrocks | 14:19 | |
| willcooke | right - so we (I) think we should get XChat Gnome working on Mir | 14:19 |
| willcooke | the reason for that is because I assumed thats what "most people" use | 14:20 |
| willcooke | if that's not the case, then perhaps we shouldnt do that | 14:20 |
| willcooke | my gut feeling is that we should though | 14:20 |
| seb128 | willcooke, didrocks was mostly trolling there ... | 14:20 |
| didrocks | yeah, I agree it's what most of people are using | 14:20 |
| didrocks | I was just trolling a half-french-german on the channel :) | 14:20 |
| * seb128 still not feeling concerned | 14:21 | |
| seb128 | :p | 14:21 |
| didrocks | seb128: try harder! | 14:21 |
| seb128 | or just a bit... | 14:21 |
| seb128 | anyway | 14:21 |
| seb128 | yeah, xchat-gnome running on Mir would be nice | 14:21 |
| willcooke | the we are agreed | 14:21 |
| willcooke | \o/ | 14:21 |
| didrocks | so yeah, agreed that xchat gnome is needed as part of what people using IRC are going to need | 14:21 |
| willcooke | ok attente_ so all that ummming and errring was for nought - looks like you've got a big job on your hands | 14:22 |
| willcooke | good luck | 14:22 |
| willcooke | wake me up when you've finished it | 14:22 |
| willcooke | o/ | 14:22 |
| didrocks | "kthxbye" | 14:22 |
| willcooke | :D | 14:22 |
| tiheum | seb128: concerning the mp, how can I know what the conflicts are? | 14:32 |
| seb128 | tiheum, just branch trunk and try to bzr merge your vcs on | 14:33 |
| seb128 | or take you version and bzr merge lp:ubuntu-themes | 14:33 |
| seb128 | your* | 14:33 |
| tiheum | seb128: sorry but what do you call vcs? | 14:38 |
| seb128 | tiheum, your checkout of lp:ubuntu-themes with your changes | 14:38 |
| seb128 | tiheum, if you are not fluent with bzr, the easier might be to do a fresh checkout from trunk and copy your files over again | 14:39 |
| seb128 | or do whatever you did the first itme | 14:39 |
| seb128 | time | 14:39 |
| tiheum | seb128: ok, will try | 14:39 |
| seb128 | tiheum, don't hesitate to ask here if you have questions/issues | 14:39 |
| tiheum | seb128: sure (actually, I am not very fluent with bzr) | 14:40 |
| tiheum | thanks | 14:40 |
| tiheum | seb128: can I have two mp for two different branches at the same time? At the moment, there's already this one: https://code.launchpad.net/~tiheum/ubuntu-themes/suru-icons/+merge/231533 | 14:46 |
| tiheum | ready to land since more than one month :/ | 14:47 |
| didrocks | interesting, seems there was not (at least in my installation) sshd host key | 15:10 |
| willcooke | didrocks, ahh | 15:11 |
| willcooke | didrocks, on a desktop next install? | 15:11 |
| didrocks | willcooke: yeah | 15:11 |
| willcooke | didrocks, yeah, I noticed that too, I assume I'd done something daft | 15:11 |
| didrocks | I'll need to reinstall to confirm it's not a one-time bug | 15:11 |
| didrocks | ah, it's not one-time | 15:11 |
| willcooke | in the end I removed and reinstalled and it sorted it | 15:11 |
| didrocks | I think we have a hook on ubiquity | 15:11 |
| didrocks | willcooke: well, this happen on package reconfigure | 15:12 |
| didrocks | so dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server is enough | 15:12 |
| willcooke | I did a remove and an install | 15:12 |
| didrocks | will have a look once achieved the current debugging on qtcreator | 15:16 |
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| === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g | ||
| happyaron | seb128: I've uploaded the fix to exp this morning, synced just now | 15:47 |
| happyaron | Laney: ibus was on my list after fcitx actually, but you are quicker, :) | 15:47 |
| Laney | I didn't upload that | 15:47 |
| didrocks | Mirv: hey, I'm trying to find libqt5widgets5-dbgsym, but it doesn't seem to exist? | 15:48 |
| happyaron | Laney: okay, that's dholbach | 15:49 |
| Laney | yeah I just told someone off for stealing merges ;-) | 15:50 |
| Mirv | didrocks: qt packages build their own debug packages, so try installing qtbase5-dbg | 15:51 |
| didrocks | Mirv: ok, doing that, thanks! | 15:51 |
| Mirv | np | 15:53 |
| didrocks | bregma: so that you don't waste your time: https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtmir/+bug/1387762 | 16:08 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1387762 in qtmir (Ubuntu) "Qtcreator is hanging at startup on the desktop next image" [Undecided,New] | 16:08 |
| seb128 | happyaron, thanks | 16:22 |
| * seb128 watches pitti happily skipping the CI process and commiting directly to unity-control-center ;-) | 16:30 | |
| pitti | seb128: see scrollback from this morning, apparently that was ok? | 16:30 |
| seb128 | pitti, I'm a bit lost to what is ok or not nowadays to be honest, I though things under CI shouldn't be manually uploaded | 16:31 |
| seb128 | but I'm not going to complain at the same time | 16:31 |
| seb128 | the CI way is more tedious and not always that useful | 16:31 |
| * desrt hits seb128 with a train | 16:31 | |
| seb128 | desrt, :p | 16:31 |
| pitti | anyway, I'm mostly through the transition now | 16:32 |
| seb128 | pitti, thanks for working on that btw ;-) | 16:32 |
| * seb128 hugs pitti | 16:32 | |
| pitti | required quite a number of merges, porting, etc., but darkxst really did most of the work already | 16:32 |
| pitti | seb128: yeah, I'm not sure why we even bother with the train for that; these packages have no autopkgtests, aren't on touch images, etc. | 16:33 |
| pitti | one needs to manually test them anyway | 16:33 |
| pitti | so I take some pride in my core-dev powers and skip all the machinery :) | 16:33 |
| pitti | err, I mean "no autopilot tests", but same difference | 16:33 |
| didrocks | if the build-deps/deps are well defined and not half of the transition is moving to the release pocket, I don't think we need to have the silo phase | 16:34 |
| didrocks | (especially if it's not on touch) | 16:34 |
| didrocks | things will happily stays in proposed while testing | 16:35 |
| pitti | yeah, that too | 16:35 |
| pitti | this is going to stay around in -proposed for a few days | 16:35 |
| pitti | Laney needs to land his system-settings MP, darkxst/Noskcaj their gnome-session bits, etc. | 16:36 |
| pitti | and they don't have CI train access | 16:36 |
| pitti | or I upload the backported patches if it takes too long | 16:36 |
| seb128 | Laney has landig/CI access | 16:37 |
| Laney | he meant the last two | 16:38 |
| seb128 | gnome-session isn't under CI though | 16:38 |
| Laney | iiiiiiiiiiindeede | 16:39 |
| seb128 | I maybe mis-parsed the bit about CI and backporting then | 16:39 |
| * Laney shrugs | 16:39 | |
| seb128 | anyway, shouldn't be too difficult to land those | 16:39 |
| seb128 | settings-rtm has its own vcs now and vivid landing are not restricted | 16:40 |
| pitti | so that leaves powerd | 16:40 |
| pitti | I'll do an MP and land that via train then, I guess | 16:41 |
| pitti | (and hope review will be quicker than https://code.launchpad.net/~sforshee/powerd/fix-warnings/+merge/188613 :-) ) | 16:41 |
| didrocks | Laney: do you know of a good documentation explaining how logind works? like concepts and so on | 16:43 |
| Laney | like http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/multiseat/ ? | 16:44 |
| didrocks | Laney: perfect! thx | 16:44 |
| didrocks | eod, see you tomorrow or on Monday for those swapping :) | 17:08 |
| pitti | seb128: I just discovered a stronger reason why the train fails here -- the builds don't seem to use -proposed | 17:10 |
| pitti | so we can't land that transition in a silo, but use -proposed only | 17:10 |
| pitti | -ECOMPLICATED! | 17:10 |
| seb128 | pitti, I think that's by design | 17:10 |
| pitti | seb128: the "complicated"? :-) | 17:11 |
| seb128 | but yeah, the way it should be done is to have the full transition in a silo | 17:11 |
| seb128 | including upower | 17:11 |
| pitti | (TGIF .. almost) | 17:11 |
| seb128 | and yeah | 17:11 |
| seb128 | overcomplicated | 17:11 |
| xnox | seb128: Laney: can lightdm use a gtk2 greeter? | 17:14 |
| seb128 | xnox, I guess so | 17:14 |
| seb128 | why not? | 17:14 |
| seb128 | it has qt4 and qt5 greeters | 17:14 |
| seb128 | the interface between lightdm and the greeters is not toolkit dependent | 17:14 |
| desrt | pro tip: when you hear 'train' or 'silo' just stop paying attention | 17:22 |
| desrt | saves brain cells that way | 17:22 |
| Laney | THERE'S A TRAIN COMING | 17:23 |
| desrt | la la la | 17:23 |
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| mitya57 | seb128, darkxst: Re gnome-flashback dialogs: first, this is not in gnome-panel, but rather in a separate application (which can be used in Unity as well). | 17:30 |
| mitya57 | Next, that app basically provides an org.gnome.Shell.something D-Bus interface that gnome-session talks to. | 17:31 |
| mitya57 | So it does not know whether it was called from keyboard shortcut, via UI or just using "gnome-session-quit". | 17:31 |
| seb128 | cool | 17:32 |
| mitya57 | That application also does other useful things like drawing the wallpaper (which we currently do via Nautilus patch). | 17:32 |
| mitya57 | Ubuntu currently has gnome-flashback 3.10, but I am going to upload 3.14 shortly (can't sync as it needs some Ubuntu-specific patches). | 17:33 |
| Laney | do we use any of those dialogs in unity? | 17:34 |
| seb128 | no | 17:34 |
| mitya57 | But anything that is not gnome-shell or Unity can use that app. So it should be safe to drop these dialogs from gnome-session. | 17:36 |
| seb128 | desrt, in case you don't see launchpad bug pings, https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-42189 got some debugging action and a suggested patch and people would welcome you giving it a look ;-) | 17:36 |
| desrt | i saw that | 17:37 |
| desrt | not sure i have anything to say about it though | 17:37 |
| seb128 | k, just comment saying that if you don't, so people don't think you didn't see it | 17:39 |
| darthbunny | anyone knows how you can enable the virtual keyboard on unity8 ? | 17:46 |
| seb128 | bregma, you might know ^ ? | 17:50 |
| bregma | darthbunny, there is no automated way (yet) | 17:50 |
| darthbunny | hou about manually? | 17:51 |
| bregma | mmm, not sure, I think the keyboard designed to work on the phone is click-packaged only | 17:51 |
| bregma | other keyboards won't work, since they're X11 keyboards | 17:52 |
| seb128 | click work on unity8 desktop though | 17:52 |
| seb128 | you can install things from the click store | 17:52 |
| darthbunny | yup | 17:52 |
| seb128 | so maybe it's possible to install the osk click? | 17:53 |
| bregma | yes, but it means I haven't tested it | 17:53 |
| seb128 | something to add to the todolist I guess | 17:53 |
| darthbunny | but when I click text fields it doesn't auto-show nothing :) | 17:53 |
| bregma | yep | 17:53 |
| seb128 | desrt, thanks | 17:54 |
| darthbunny | osk click is a package or store app? | 17:55 |
| bregma | darthbunny, try 'apt-get install ubuntu-keyboard' and restart Unity 8 | 17:56 |
| bregma | it might *just* work | 17:56 |
| darthbunny | atm I'm on the live iso | 17:56 |
| darthbunny | and seems installed | 17:56 |
| darthbunny | any chance it would work if I undock my tab? | 17:56 |
| bregma | ah, I see it's installed for me, too, but Unity 8 is not finding it, there must be some other magic required | 17:57 |
| darthbunny | I'll do a full install | 17:57 |
| bregma | darthbunny, I don't think undocking will help, I see errors in the log like 'UbuntuKeyboardInfo - socket error: "QLocalSocket::connectToServer: Invalid name"' so I think it needs some development work | 17:58 |
| bregma | some kinds of configuration that gets statically installed on the phone image perhaps | 17:59 |
| darthbunny | I also see there is an ubuntu-touch package | 18:00 |
| darthbunny | I don't suppose that would help... | 18:00 |
| bregma | darthbunny, ubuntu-touch is a metapackage for installing the phone image, it pulls in things that break the desktop in general | 18:02 |
| bregma | it's likely that there are some config files that are "seeded" in the phone image, in other words not included in and packages that get pulled in as a dependency, and keyboard support may be one of them | 18:03 |
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| darthbunny | I see | 18:04 |
| darthbunny | should I report this as a bug somewhere? | 18:04 |
| Laney | right, I'm outta here, see you on Monday | 18:09 |
| seb128 | Laney, enjoy your swap day and w.e! | 18:10 |
| Laney | cheers, will do ;-) | 18:11 |
| Laney | there's a halloween climbing competition or something | 18:11 |
| Laney | ... | 18:11 |
| willcooke | off too, day off tomorrow | 18:11 |
| willcooke | ttfn | 18:11 |
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