=== Elimin8r is now known as Elimin8er
[19:04] <alo21> hi, can someone give me some advice on how find a bug to fix once I chose a package, please?
[19:05] <Noskcaj> alo21, sure
[19:05] <alo21> Noskcaj: thanks :)
[19:07] <Noskcaj> There are three bug trackers that affect ubuntu. bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/PACKAGE bugs.debian.org and whatever upstream's bug tracker is
[19:16] <alo21> Noskcaj: ok...but some bugs are related to old version of software, or for older version of ubuntu....should I fix them (if I want)?
[19:16] <Noskcaj> If they still exist (try to work on bugs you can reproduce), they still need fixing
[19:17] <Noskcaj> If you can't reproduce it and it's only reported in non-supported versions of ubuntu, mark it incomplete and say someone needs to reproduce it in a supported release
[19:29] <alo21> Noskcaj: I found I bug which I am interested in...I read all comments, and now I would like to work on it...
[19:29] <Noskcaj> ...
[19:29] <alo21> but, how can I run a program in debug mode (like transmission)?
[19:30] <Noskcaj> If you're looking at transmission, a good way to start would be merging the latest version from debian
[19:31] <Noskcaj> but for running it in debug, i'd just google how to
[19:33] <Noskcaj> https://trac.transmissionbt.com/wiki/EnvironmentVariables
[19:34] <alo21> Noskcaj: Is therer a page where are listed all packaged to be synced or eventually marged?
[19:34] <alo21> there*
[19:35] <Noskcaj> merges.ubuntu.com
[19:35] <Noskcaj> universe.html main.html multiverse.html
[19:43] <alo21> Noskcaj: I read the changelog of transmission on debian, and how can I see if worth it?
[19:45] <Noskcaj> The "new upstream release" line means there's new stuff, also "Fixes build with newer miniupnpc" means that it needs merging soon since that version of miniupnpc is in vivid-proposed
[19:48] <alo21> Noskcaj: where did you read it?
[19:49] <Noskcaj> http://packages.qa.debian.org/transmission, then click changelog
[19:51] <alo21> Noskcaj: ok... How did you deduce the fact that a new version of miniupnpc is a vivid proposed?
[19:51] <Noskcaj> I went to launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/miniupnpc
[19:52] <Noskcaj> Which also is linked from packages.qa.debian.org/miniupnpc
[19:53] <alo21> Noskcaj: in there a page (for newbie) that explain when a package worth to be merged?
[19:55] <Noskcaj> not really, if there's any changes that aren't in ubuntu and improve ubuntu in some way, merge it. http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/udd-merging.html explains most of how
[19:56] <Noskcaj> If the debian changes fix all the ubuntu ones, sync the package
[19:57] <alo21> and how do I know if I packaged should be merged now or later?
[19:57] <Noskcaj> if it will work in ubuntu, and doesn't cause a transition of some sort, it should be merged as soon as someone has the time
[19:59] <alo21> for example if there is  a new upstream release on 30 nov 2014, and I merge a package tomorrow, I lost precious time because I should re-marge (or sync) again
[19:59] <Noskcaj> that is correct
[20:00] <alo21> Noskcaj: and how can I avoid to loose time due to this reason?
[20:01] <alo21> is there a way to know future release date?
[20:01] <Noskcaj> Nothing you can do really
[20:01] <Noskcaj> Maybe checking the debian vcs (if there is one) to see if something is being worked on
[20:02] <alo21> vcs strands for?
[20:02] <Noskcaj> version control system, e.g. bzr, subversion, git
[20:04] <alo21> Noskcaj: If someone is working on a bug in upstream, does not mean a new version is being released shortly, right?
[20:05] <Noskcaj> not necessarily.
[20:06] <alo21> Noskcaj: great... so the next step is to contact the maintainer (who previously merged the package) and know if he will merge it or not, right-0
[20:06] <alo21> ?*
[20:06] <Noskcaj> yep
[20:07] <Noskcaj> S have a look through https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html , and see if there's a package that you use
[20:08] <alo21> Noskcaj: thank a lot, and really sorry to annoying you :)
[20:08] <Noskcaj> *so
[20:08] <Noskcaj> alo21, it's fine, i've got nothing to do, and it's good to see new people here
[20:08] <alo21> Noskcaj: I checked minutes ago, and all related pages to know if is a worth-merge...
[20:09] <alo21> then I preferred to ask here to do as best as I can
[20:11] <Noskcaj> i'll be back in 5 min. need breakfast
[20:23] <Noskcaj> alo21, Just to demonstrate, merge thunar with me
[20:45] <alo21> Noskcaj: I am so glad about your proposal :9
[20:45] <alo21> :)*
[20:46] <alo21> Noskcaj: guide me trough... :)
[20:47] <Noskcaj> First, go to packages.qa.debian.org/thunar , and check that we don't need to sync it
[20:48] <Noskcaj> Then check the changelogs to see if there's any changes we are going to drop
[20:48] <Noskcaj> clue: We don't drop any changes
[20:49] <Noskcaj> Next, go to the folder you want to work in, and run bzr branch lp:ubuntu/thunar && cd thunar && bzr merge lp:debian/thunar
[20:50] <Noskcaj> that gets the ubuntu version then merges the debian one
[21:02] <alo21> Noskcaj: How can I check if we do not need to sync?
[21:02] <Noskcaj> We can only sync if all the ubuntu changes are unneeded or fixed in debian
[21:04] <alo21> so I have to compare debian and ubuntu changelog...right?
[21:05] <Noskcaj> yep
[21:05] <alo21> we can't sync
[21:05] <Noskcaj> yep
[21:06] <Noskcaj> I have to go to school now. The links from earlier should be enough
[21:06] <alo21> Noskcaj: ook... have a nice day :)
[21:06] <Noskcaj> I did the merge already at lp:~noskcaj/ubuntu/vivid/thunar/merge if you need to see what changes were where.
[21:06] <Noskcaj> bye
[21:06] <alo21> byee
[21:09] <alo21> Permission denied (publickey).
[21:10] <alo21> this is what happened when I try to download from bzr
[21:18] <alo21> done
[21:31] <HFSPLUS> !OPS | HEY RWW WISDOM CRIES OUT FOR YOU TO REPENT BUT YOU DONT WANT TO LISTEN(PROVERBS 1:20-30)
[21:33] <HFSPLUS> rww, WISDOM CRIES OUT FOR MEN TO REPENT BUT THEY DONT WANT TO LISTEN
[22:16] <alo21> how do I build with pbuilder? I downloaded the source with bzr
[22:16] <alo21> ?