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SaviqWellark, ;)00:00
WellarkI kinda have the feeling that we won't have those tablets in december..00:01
SaviqWellark, it doesn't say *we* will release it though00:01
WellarkSaviq: I meant "we" as a community00:02
SaviqWellark, if someone actually wants (as the article states) to buy some tablets and put UT on it... as long as they don't call it Ubuntu, they're fine00:02
Wellarkyeah00:03
cwaynelooks like they want to call it Ubuntu Touch though00:04
popeySaviq_: Wellark i spoke to them, they say they've been in contact with legal...00:34
popeyI did point out the Tablet UI aint done yet and wished them luck.00:34
pngo_I'm trying to send a txt msg, and I get SIM Card is locked, but SIM PIN is Off00:38
pngo_is this a bug?00:39
pngo_why I can send mms txt but can not receive it?04:29
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pngo_how can I enable read-write mode. I tried 'phablet-config writable-image' but I get 'PING lunchpad.net... 56(84) bytes of data05:07
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pittialecu, dobey: unity-scope-click now fails to build: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/vivid-adt-unity-scope-click/6/?08:26
pittilooks like the new ubuntu-download-manager breaks it (see http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#ubuntu-download-manager)08:28
pittisil2100: ^ FYI08:28
sil2100pitti: thanks for the info!08:34
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JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Checklist Day! :-D09:36
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seb128does anyone know how to look if the phone received a sms and failed to get through the services/UI, or if it didn't receive it?10:28
seb128I'm 2 phones, an android and a touch one, send from touch to android works, back doesn't work ... the touch phone do receive messages from other people fine though10:28
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pngo_ how can I enable read-write mode. I've  tried 'phablet-config writable-image' but I get 'PING lunchpad.net. (91.189.89.223) 56(84) bytes of data12:11
ogra_pngo_, thats fine, it should eboot after that and be writable12:13
ogra_*reboot12:13
pngo_does not reboot12:13
pngo_also I can send mms txt but can not receive12:14
sergiusensseb128: /var/log/syslog and http://paste.ubuntu.com/8746254/ (that is the monitor output of sending an sms to myself)12:14
ogra_pngo_, you can make the image writable manually ... adb shell ... then sudo touch /userdata/.writable_image ... ctrl-D ... adb reboot12:17
pngo_another think that I found if I get  an image from a devel channel, my sim card id locked, but if I get devel-proposed all works.12:18
ogra_note that you lose the ability for any supported upgrade path though12:18
ogra_yes, thats a known but in the last promoted utopic image ... all focus is on rtm currently12:18
ogra_s/but/bug/12:18
sergiusensstgraber ogra_ is devel (alias to ubuntu-touch/utopic) going to change to vivid? (same for -proposed)12:19
pngo_it is rtm12:19
ogra_sil2100, asac ^^^^ we should consider to promote the last utopic-proposed build into utopic ... so people dont get that issue12:19
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ogra_sergiusens, it will, once we have something in vivid12:19
ogra_i think devel-proposed points to it already if i understood slangasek right12:20
sergiusensogra_: well vivid-proposed would be good to set already; it is after all the development series ;-)12:20
ogra_right12:20
ogra_and i think that happened12:20
ogra_just not vivid yet because the channel is empty12:20
pngo_I tried both: ...rtm/devel and rtm/devel-proposed12:21
ogra_we can only switch the alias once there is something in it12:21
sergiusensogra_: devel-proposed (alias to ubuntu-touch/utopic-proposed)12:21
ogra_oh, ok12:21
ogra_then he was perhaps waiting for it to arrive ... i'll poke him later once he is up12:21
ogra_(i went offline before it arrived on s-i.u.c)12:22
seb128sergiusens, thanks12:29
sergiusensnp12:30
pngo_FYI even when I enabled read-write mode, I always were getting upgrades when I went to system settings. Not sure if this is current now when I'm on rtm channel12:31
ogra_pngo_, yes, you will get upgrades but it isnt supported :)12:31
ogra_expect it to break stuff12:32
ogra_the upgrader doesnt stop people from shooting themselves in the foot ;)12:32
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asacogra_: get what issue?12:37
asacshouldnt we just move alias of devel to vidid now?12:37
* asac is still waiting for the upgrade to first vidi on mako12:38
ogra_asac, we cant move aliases to empty channels12:38
ogra_we need a promotion first12:38
ogra_(well, we technically can move aliases anywhere we want ... but we shouldnt point to empty channels)12:39
sergiusensasac: it can be done for devel-proposed though12:39
sergiusensjust need someone with the keys to do it12:39
ogra_asac, the issue was that SIM unlock was broken for mako in the last promoted images12:39
ogra_sergiusens, yes, and slangasek already announced he'd do that in his mail12:39
ogra_same issue though, we were waiting for imge #1 first12:40
pngo_I have another question, is there a way to install apps without login to ubuntu one account? this seems to me more like android/proprietary way of doing things. another words is there a command that I can use to install them?12:44
ogra_if you have a .click package you can indeed istall it via commandline ... but you need to use the --allow-unauthenticated switch for that to tell it to drop all security12:45
ogra_U1 has nothing to do with proprietary but with the fact that you want to make sure there is no malware coming down the drain :)12:46
sergiusensogra_: if the click was downloaded from the store; you don't need te --allow-... flag12:50
ogra_sergiusens, how do i download it via cmdline ?12:50
* ogra_ didnt know thats possible 12:51
sergiusensogra_: just like click-sync12:51
sergiusensogra_: sign the get call with the oauth cred12:51
ogra_hmm12:51
ogra_we should mangel that into a backup/restore script ;)12:52
ogra_*mangle12:52
cwaynewell then you still need a u1 account to get them in the first place :P12:54
ogra_cwayne, hmm, could that be backed up and restored via cmdline ?12:55
ogra_would be cool to have a script that gets you back to normal even after a --bootstrap12:56
Tassadarvivid images! \o/12:57
* Tassadar starts adding 'em to s-i.tasemnice.eu12:57
ogra_heh13:00
Tassadardoes this mean utopic and utopic-proposed images are no longer built?13:00
ogra_Tassadar, dont expect them to be stable :)13:00
ogra_since last week, yeah13:00
Tassadarcool, so I can remove them13:01
ogra_they would all be the same ... the archive is closed13:01
ogra_well, dont rush it13:01
ogra_devel will still point to utopic til the first promotion13:01
TassadarI'll leave 3 images instead of 10, to save space13:01
ogra_devel-proposed should be re-targeted to vivid-proposed later today13:01
pngo_sorry, it does not make sense to me that every time I want to install app I have to sign in to account. I thought that once app is in the channel/repository, it is trusted, and malware free.13:04
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pngo_and I free to install any app I want. this works on desktops.13:05
ogra_pngo_, you are free to do the same on your phone13:11
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ogra_via cmdline13:11
kenvandinemzanetti, do you know when your unity8 branch for the launcher gsettings change will land?13:12
pngo_ogra_, so at terminal I type "click notes"13:12
pngo_ogra_, if I want to install notes13:13
ogra_no, you download the click somewhere ... adb push it and use pkcon install-local --allow-unauthenticated /path/to/click13:13
pngo_thank you13:13
mzanettiSaviq: can you answer kenvandine's question?13:15
Saviqkenvandine, today hopefully13:16
Saviqmzanetti, basically, when you fix your index branch ;)13:16
mzanettiRan 1 test in 299.972s13:17
mzanetti...13:17
kenvandineSaviq, will that landing also include the mterry's expose-lockscreen-passphrase branch?13:18
Saviqkenvandine, yes13:18
* Tassadar is wondering if upgrade on devel-proposed (from version 299 to 1, because of utopic -> vivid) is gonna work okay13:18
kenvandinegreat13:18
kenvandinethat'll unblock a few of my landings :)13:18
ogra_Tassadar, i guess stgraber or barry should be able to tell13:19
sergiusensTassadar: ogra_ it's already been done for saucy->trusty in some way already13:20
barryTassadar: it will work if devel-proposed is a channel alias and the target channel changed.  i haven't looked, but if the alias now points to a different channel, it should do an effective -b 0 update13:20
Tassadaryeah, I think I already discussed this with somebody, but I don't remmeber the result :x13:20
Tassadaroh, right, that was it13:20
ogra_barry, not yet ... waiting for slangasek to change the alis13:21
Tassadarmaybe I'll remember it for next version :D13:21
ogra_*alias13:21
barryogra_: ack13:21
barryogra_: is the window for landing to rtm still open for today?13:21
ogra_barry, i dont think so, ask sil210013:22
ogra_if you have a critical blocker you can surely ask pmcgowan or olli for approval though13:22
barryogra_: thx13:23
ollibarry, if you have something you want to land then I suggest adding to the wish list13:25
ollibarry, was that your q from ubuntu-ci-eng?13:25
barryolli: it's on the wish list.  this is s-i 2.5.1 for phased-updates.  it's sitting in QA sign-off.  not sure how/when to push this along to rtm13:26
ogra_barry, you dont ... (if it is an rtm silo) ... it is all in QAs hands now13:27
ogra_(and landing team for pressing "publish")13:27
barryogra_: okay then!13:27
barrythx13:27
mptkemmko, I reported bug 138765613:28
ubot5bug 1387656 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) ""Connect to hidden network…" incorrectly has page stack chevron >" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138765613:28
sil2100barry: see announcement on -phone ;)13:30
* barry is still slogging through email13:30
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dobeypitti, sil2100: there's a silo for a sync to vivid, but i need to rebuild it and am having a bit of problem getting it rebuilt in the ppa13:47
cwaynepitti: ping13:54
pitticwayne: hello14:01
cwaynepitti: hiya, so I've been trying to run some autopilot tests with adt-run, but running into some issues14:03
cwaynefirst is this one: https://pastebin.canonical.com/119623/14:03
pitticwayne: oh, for sure; I spent some time on fixing most/all of these recently, so you really need 3.714:03
cwayneshould adt-run be calling pkcon install-local instead of click install14:03
cwayneah, let me check my version14:03
cwayne3.6 here, is 3.7 in a ppa somewhere?14:04
pitticwayne: right, that's bug 1384417; but it's largely moot now14:04
ubot5bug 1384417 in autopkgtest (Ubuntu) "Running adt-run without root installs the click for all users" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138441714:04
pitticwayne: I just uploaded it to Debian, so it's not yet in Ubuntu; but I can give you a .deb if you want to14:04
pitticwayne: for that you really need to give it your pin/password with -p14:05
cwaynepitti: sure, ill try out a deb14:05
pitticwayne: since we dropped autopilot from the images, the test needs root privileges to reconfigure apparmor14:05
pitticwayne: the setup script tries "0000" and "phablet", if you use something else you need to specify it14:05
jgdxbfiller, re bug 1374082 and your last comment: USS have no way of unlocking specific sims either!14:05
ubot5bug 1374082 in indicator-network (Ubuntu RTM) "no API to unlock a specific sim" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137408214:05
cwaynepitti: makes sense14:05
pitticwayne: http://incoming.debian.org/debian-buildd/pool/main/a/autopkgtest/autopkgtest_3.7_all.deb14:06
pitticwayne: (will sync to vivid by tomorrow)14:06
cwaynepitti: thanks14:06
pitticwayne: I'll still look at that bug to make it more obvious what the issue is14:06
jgdxWellark, your take on bug 1374082 ?14:06
cwaynei may as well upgrade my desktop to vivid :P14:06
ubot5bug 1374082 in indicator-network (Ubuntu RTM) "no API to unlock a specific sim" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137408214:06
pitticwayne: the deb should be fine on trusty and utopic too14:07
pitticwayne: anyway, I had some catch-up to do due to changed adb/unity behaviour and dropping autopilot14:07
cwaynepitti: yeah, i figured14:07
cwayneah14:07
pitticwayne: so unfortunately utopic's version doesn't work :(14:07
jgdxbfiller, but we can make a good guess, so I guess that something :)14:13
Wellarkjgdx: sorry on a meeting14:16
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jgdxWellark, ack14:18
Wellarkjgdx: please ping me privately and write a backlog of questions and I will get back to you :)14:20
jgdxWellark, will do14:20
jcastroI set my nexus4 in developer mode but it doesn't show up in `adb devices`, any ideas?14:23
pittijcastro: I need to reboot after doing that14:23
pittiabout 9 out of 10 cases14:23
jcastroreboot the phone?14:23
pittiyes14:23
jcastrook14:23
cwaynepitti: 3.7 complains when i try to pass -p <pin>14:30
pitticwayne: what's your command line?14:30
pitti(I figure there's a -- missing)14:30
slangasekogra_: sorry, not clear from scrollback what it is you're waiting on me for14:41
ogra_slangasek, pointing devel-proposed to vivid-proposed14:41
slangasekah14:41
slangasekI didn't say I was doing that :)14:41
ogra_hmm, i thought you said in your mail ...14:41
ogra_(but i was very tired when reading it)14:42
ogra_slangasek, in any case we should :)14:42
ogra_only -proposed for now though14:42
slangasekyes, we should14:42
ogra_devel to vivid needs an image in there first14:42
slangasekright; devel is not an alias, we promote the images into it when it's ready14:42
ogra_right14:42
ogra_but with the first vivid promotion it should be re-targeted14:43
dobeydaker: hey, how does one change the user-agent for a webapp now? i thought there was a command line option, but i don't see it. do i have to do the custom qml thing still?14:44
ogra_dobey, isnt that an oSoMoN question ?14:44
ogra_:)14:44
dakerdobey: yo, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8642612/ i haven't tested it :)14:45
dobeyogra_: maybe, but i've always discussed the issues there with daker before :P14:45
ogra_heh14:45
dakerogra_: I AM THE WEB MASTER!14:45
ogra_LOL14:45
ogra_ok14:45
ogra_:)14:45
* daker hides behinds dobey14:45
* ogra_ makes note ... daker - owner of the internet14:46
dobeyheh14:46
daker:D14:46
slangasekogra_: devel-proposed alias changed, should be reflected in the next import14:47
ogra_great14:47
ogra_image 3 is currently building14:47
dakerdobey: if it does work please tell me :)14:47
dakerdobey: you can test that by using http://whatsmyuseragent.com/ as your URL14:50
dobey"text": "should not specify --webappUrlPatterns when using --webappModelSearchPath"14:53
dobeydaker: i get that when building a click14:53
dobeyis "includes" in the .json the same thing as expected in UrlPattens arg?14:54
dakerdobey: i think yes, just remove --webappUrlPatterns14:57
dobeydaker: is not working for me :-/15:01
dakerdobey: you mean it does run but doesn't change the UA ?15:02
dobeydaker: yes15:03
dakerdobey: can you pastebin webapp-properties.json ?15:03
dobeydaker: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8747957/15:06
dakerdobey: try something like http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8748045/15:10
dobeydaker: hmm, still not working15:18
dakerdobey: :/ alexabreu anyidea why it's not working ?15:21
alexabreudaker, yes unfortunately ... https://code.launchpad.net/~abreu-alexandre/webbrowser-app/fix-webapp-properties-ua-override15:22
alexabreudaker, it will land soon15:22
dakerdobey: :/15:22
dobeyindeed :-/15:23
dobeyguess i'll have to do the qml hack15:32
dobeyi wish there was a --not-like-android option15:33
dobeyor a --empty-user-agent, but pretty sure that will just break the world, because web sites are stupid15:33
dobeyyup15:34
dobeyooh15:36
dobeythis site seems to work with just "Mozilla/5.0" at least15:36
dobeycool, so does launchpad15:36
dakerhhh15:37
dobeygoogle plus not so much though :(15:37
dobeyit redirects to https://plus.google.com/browser-not-supported/?ref=/ which is apparently a 40415:38
dobeylol15:38
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dobeyawesome, gmail gives the totally old school interface with that ua15:40
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mardyLaney: mmm... does the deb package build there? I get a failure: "dh_install: gir1.2-accounts-1.0 missing files (usr/lib/*/girepository-1.0), aborting"15:48
Laneymardy: you need to build on vivid15:48
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davmor2daker: when you say I AM THE WEB MASTER like that it makes me think of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmin5WkOuPw15:49
mardyLaney: but I guess that means that we should update some build-dependency version?15:50
mardyLaney: what exactly do we miss, in utopic?15:50
Laneyindeed, didn't I do that?15:51
Laneyah, didn't push it15:52
Laneymardy: try now15:52
dakerdavmor2: https://i.imgur.com/HcHso2v.png :D16:03
davmor2daker: No it should read, I AM THE WEB MASTER.....TWISTED WEB MASTER ;)16:05
justCarakasnice one daker16:08
seb128bah16:34
seb128so twice since yesterday that I use indicator-message to reply to a sms and that unity8 segfault16:34
seb128is that a known issue?16:34
ogra_seb128, yes, silo 13 has the fix ...16:35
ogra_about to land soon16:35
ogra_(or silo10 ... or both together .. in any case it will land tonight)16:35
seb128great16:35
seb128those are ok for rtm?16:36
ogra_seb128, you mean you didnt have that all week ?16:36
ogra_yep16:36
seb128I usually don't reply inline16:36
seb128but from the app16:36
ogra_ah16:36
ogra_well, unity8 crashing was the common meme this week16:36
seb128yeah, that I noticed16:36
ogra_you just found an additional trigger :)16:36
seb128but I was unsure that reply from the indicator was the same issue16:36
ogra_if you still see it tomorrow it is time to get worried :)16:37
seb128k16:37
seb128of course messaging app get screwed after unity8 restart16:37
* seb128 reboots16:38
ogra_yeah, thats still something to solve16:38
ogra_though if unity doesnt crash it wont be that harmful16:38
ogra_the prob is that the lifecycle managed apps that are suspended would have to be started again before being killed ...16:39
ogra_but the thing starting them is gone (unity)16:39
kenvandineseb128, what was the verdict on your titles-uis-tweaks branch?16:42
ogra_if you just kill them you produce unwanted crashes16:43
rickspencer3ogra_, I want to flash my Nexus 4 onto vivid, I don't mind wiping it if I need to16:44
rickspencer3is this crazy of me? and if not, can you tell me the right command?16:45
ogra_rickspencer3, what channel are you on today ?16:45
rickspencer3ogra_, wow, it's been so long16:45
rickspencer3I think 14.10 proposed16:45
rickspencer3as in, not rtm16:45
ogra_devel-proposed (as you should have used) will just magically switch you to vivid16:45
seb128kenvandine, thanks for the reminder, I was waiting for CI to give me a deb to test on the device and sort of changed to other work and forgot about it, trying that in a bit16:45
ogra_if yoou used a versioned channel you are rather screwed16:45
rickspencer3ogra_, so I just use the updater?16:46
ogra_and have to switch channels16:46
ogra_rickspencer3, on devel-proposed you can just OTA ... on utopic-proposed or 14.10-proposed you are at a dead end16:46
rickspencer3ogra_, actually, I think I was devel, not devel-proposed now that I think of it16:46
ogra_devel wont have anything until we promote an image in vivid16:46
rickspencer3ah16:46
kenvandineseb128, i was wondering what happened design wise, didn't mpt say something after you created this?16:46
LaneyI thought you could switch channels by passing -b 0 or something16:47
rickspencer3ogra_, ok, I don't mind switching channels to devel propsosed16:47
ogra_which ... depending on QA spare time ... might take days oor weeks16:47
* kenvandine can't remember the story, friday seems like months ago :)16:47
ogra_rickspencer3, you can do that via abd shell/phablet-shell16:48
rickspencer3cool16:48
rickspencer3man, this version feels ooools16:48
rickspencer3man, this version feels oooold16:48
rickspencer3:)16:48
rickspencer3ogra_, ok, I'm in phablet-shell,  what's the next step?16:48
ogra_rickspencer3, use: sudo system-image-cli --switch ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed -v16:49
ogra_it should show you the download etc and then reboot into flashing16:49
ogra_in case it fails, barry is your man :)16:49
rickspencer3ok16:49
rickspencer3lol16:49
seb128kenvandine, well, he said that some items are title, some hearders, some labels16:49
rickspencer3I can drive up to his house and he can fix it for me16:49
ogra_haha16:49
rickspencer3ogra_, so, this version is remarkably old16:50
seb128kenvandine, I tried to use the right components, I just don't understand the logic so you might need to check with mpt again or to get him to write down what component to use for each indivdual case16:50
rickspencer3like, before we had a password screen old16:50
seb128since it's not clear from the design mockups16:50
kenvandineseb128, yeah, i'm not clear on that either16:50
kenvandinempt__, ^^^ mind documenting that for us?16:50
dakerdavmor2: :D16:51
pittiChickenCutlass: hey Michael, how are you?16:51
pittiChickenCutlass: I'd appreciate if you or someone else could review https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/powerd/upower0.99/+merge/240141 soon, as we are currently doing this transition in -proposed and it's one of the last items16:52
davmor2rickspencer3: that's cause that version is ooooolld16:52
ChickenCutlasspitti: ok let me look16:53
rickspencer3I'll be interested to see how it actually handles this upgrade16:53
cloudnullhey all, I have an HP touchpad and was curious if anyone had any information on installing / updating a touchpad to use 14.09 . there are quite a few guildes out on how to get saucy setup but nothing more recent that i've seen .16:54
lotuspsychjecloudnull: maybe the XDA forums?16:55
cloudnulli've been crawling around there but to no avail yet16:55
Laneypitti: Isn't connecting to "notify" going to lead to too many wakeups?16:56
LaneyYou're supposed to just listen to the properties you want, no?16:56
pittiLaney: well, the previous device-changed was no different really16:57
Laneyit iterates over every device each time ._.16:57
pittiit's called whenever any device changed, right; but both the old and the new thing do that?16:57
LaneyI believe that this is no worse...16:57
ogra_that might explain why we are seeing upower being so busy on krillin all the time16:57
ogra_(it constantly fails the systemsettle tests by 0.1% CPU idle or so, while mako doesnt )16:57
pittiogra_: oh, does the kernel send out a gazillion battery uevents every second or so?16:58
ChickenCutlasspitti: yes, but we have since fixed the kernel16:58
ogra_pitti, yeah, its is a bit noisy it seems ...16:58
ChickenCutlassor at least are trying to16:58
pittiChickenCutlass: ah, good16:58
LaneyWell there's some refactoring that can be done here surely, thanks to upower 0.9916:58
pittiLaney: yes, possibly; I just don't want to bind such a thing to the transition, as that alone is hairy enough16:59
ChickenCutlasspitti: so this MR is for Vivid?  Just to be clear.16:59
LaneyRight. But it's a good time to notice opportunities.16:59
pittiChickenCutlass: yes16:59
ChickenCutlassright16:59
ChickenCutlassok16:59
ogra_ChickenCutlass, it still keeps the dbus quite busy, even with the fixed kernel16:59
ChickenCutlassogra_: yeah still more to do17:00
pittiChickenCutlass: I assumed lp:powerd was about as "trunk"y as it gets?17:00
ChickenCutlasspitti: yup. only one branch17:00
pittiChickenCutlass: so if we need another powerd fix for rtm 14.09, we need to branch off17:00
* ogra_ just wrote a small analyse script for our systemsettle tests ... and dbus/upower stick out on krillin 17:00
ChickenCutlasspitti: right was just going to ask how we do that17:00
pittiChickenCutlass: it doesn't need to happen right away; you can branch off r146 at any time when the need comes up17:01
pitti(or whichever else revision RTM has)17:01
* Laney files a upower bug17:01
Laneys/upower/powerd/17:01
ChickenCutlasspitti: so trunk would reflect Vivid and branch if need be for RTM?17:01
pittiChickenCutlass: right, that's the usual approach; but RTM branches should not be created in advance, as for many packages we'll likely never need them17:02
dakerdavmor2: fixed :D https://i.imgur.com/CVWSGsZ.png17:02
ChickenCutlassright17:02
pittikalikiana, elopio: any chance we can land https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/staging soon to unbreak the emulator?17:03
pitti(it's a trivial dep fix)17:03
davmor2daker: much better17:03
pittikalikiana, elopio: err sorry, I mean https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/gles-dep/+merge/23961817:03
elopiobzoltan_: ^17:03
pitti(I just looked at the recent committers)17:03
elopiopitti: it's simple to land into staging. To land into the archive, bzoltan_ does like a day full of tests.17:04
pittielopio: for a simple addition of an alternative dependency??17:04
elopiobzoltan_: do you have a landing planned soon?17:04
pittinow, that sounds like a waste :)17:04
pittidue to that testing in the emulator currently doesn't work at all so there's nothing to break; and it's a no-op on other devices17:05
elopiopitti: well, maybe you can put that directly into trunk and make an update to the archive only for that.17:05
elopiostaging certainly has more changes that require going through the silo testing process17:05
pittielopio: I don't know (it mostly needs to go into RTM, but to trunk as well of course)17:05
pittielopio: I'm happy to do a direct RTM upload with just that dep change, but (1) I don't know who will slap my hands for that, and (2) it should still land in staging first17:06
pittiso I'm mostly looking for "tell me what to do now" :)17:06
pittieek, https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/powerd-utopic-armhf-ci/23/console -- it seems the CI train doesn't build against -proposed?17:07
elopiobzoltan_ is away. zsombi is not around. ping t1mp or kalikiana?17:08
pittiChickenCutlass: ^ so it's quite impossible to make this automatic test work; we can only make it installable in vivid *after* landing that very powerd fix, as that's holding upower 0.99 in -proposed17:08
pittiChickenCutlass: (but I think that failure doesn't technically block landing)17:08
Laneyyou could add some #if !UP_CHECK_VERSION-fu17:11
ChickenCutlasspitti: ok so the change looks fine to me.17:12
ChickenCutlasspitti: do you need me to top approve17:12
pittiLaney: but that would then still not test the actual outcome?17:12
pittiyeah, #ifdefery would otherwise work if you want to keep the branches in sync17:12
pittiif ChickenCutlass prefers that, I can rework that17:13
ChickenCutlasspitti: if it is not too much work — having that if check would be good.  then we can stay on one branch17:13
pittiChickenCutlass: ok; I'll look into this tomorrow morning then17:13
ChickenCutlassok17:14
pittiChickenCutlass: thanks for the first review!17:14
Laneypitti: yeah, then a no-change rebuild, seems a bit shonky17:14
ChickenCutlasssure17:14
ybonseems I cannot browse anymore the FS of my Nexus4 from Nautilus, anyone experiencing this too?17:15
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pittielopio: ok, thanks17:16
pittit1mp: can we land https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/gles-dep/+merge/239618 soon to unbreak the emulator?17:16
pittit1mp: it's a trivial dependency fix17:16
kalikianapitti: hmm well, it should go to staging and then it'll be in the next landing17:17
pittikalikiana: I'm happy to do a direct RTM upload for just that if that's ok, and stuff in /staging isn't directed at RTM, but indeed it should land in trunk first17:17
kalikianapitti: why did it break in the first place?17:18
kalikianapitti: staging is rtm, we have nothing else17:18
kalikianait's another name for about-to-land ;-)17:18
pittikalikiana: I don't know :) I suppose someone added the qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-plugin dep to -autopilot and forgot about -gles17:18
pittikalikiana: ah, ok; so for toolkit, RTM, utopic, and vivid are all in sync?17:19
kalikianapitti: so far they are. I even heard today we might end up having new features in rtm despite utopic being release :-|17:19
pittiI talked to fginther and ev last week, we really need to make the emulator a first-class test platform; otherwise it will keep breaking due to stuff like that17:20
kalikianapitti: I agree. same for QtCreator which broke last time for a similar mishap17:20
pittikalikiana: I guess for utopic that doesn't matter, as that's sealed now; so as long as there's nothing new to be ladned in vivid which isn't directed at RTM, it should be fine17:20
kalikianabut imho trying to side step QA now is not the solution17:20
pittikalikiana: oh, I just suggested that as elopio said that ther are changes in trunk not meant for RTM17:21
pittior I misunderstood him17:21
kalikianapitti: we don't have any other branch17:22
kalikianaelopio: what did you mean by that?17:22
pittioh, right, so misunderstanding; he said that there are other changes besides that, so they need proper QA17:23
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kalikianathe subject of having a separate branch for rtm did come up; but we haven't done one so far17:24
pittikalikiana: as long as you don't need it, it's certainly simpler to keep just one17:24
mptkenvandine, my wireframes are not quite high-enough resolution to tell … But in general, the ones that end in colons are labels, and the ones that don’t are headers17:25
kenvandineseb128, ^^ is that enough clarification?17:25
mptkenvandine, also, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1242666/comments/817:25
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1242666 in ubuntu-ui-toolkit (Ubuntu) "Standalone labels as an element distinct from group headers" [High,Confirmed]17:25
kenvandinempt, thanks17:28
mptkenvandine, seb128: When new visual designers arrive in a couple of weeks I’m scheduled to sit down with one of them and make a few pixel-precise mockups of System Settings screens17:28
seb128kenvandine, that's the rule of thumb I used when I worked on that branch ;-)17:29
mptso that we can then go to the toolkit team and say, “Please make standard toolkit elements look exactly like this”17:29
seb128some are a bit weird though17:30
seb128kenvandine, mpt, e.g what element is "Charge level" on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Power#Phone17:30
seb128it looks like an header17:30
Laneyogra_ / ChickenCutlass: bug #138781017:30
seb128but with a value17:30
ubot5bug 1387810 in powerd (Ubuntu) "Improve device_changed callback" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138781017:30
ChickenCutlassLaney: ack17:31
mptseb128, yes, “Charge level” is an oddball. It’s a header that’s doing double-duty as the label for the data adjacent.17:31
seb128mpt, I'm unsure the toolkit has an element that does that :-/17:31
mptI’m cheating there to avoid repeating exactly (or almost exactly) the same text immediately below.17:31
seb128I guess we can do a custom widget in settings though17:31
rickspencer3olli, I have not put a SIM in yet, but so var Vivid on my nexus 4 seems quite good17:32
* mpt -> out17:32
olliogra_, ^17:32
olli:)17:32
ogra_olli, rickspencer3 \o/17:32
rickspencer3oops17:33
rickspencer3thanks olli17:33
ogra_just wait til we switch to systemd :)17:33
rickspencer3stupid tab completion17:33
rickspencer3ogra_, oh, I will wait :)17:33
ogra_:)17:33
ollilol17:33
ogra_olli, btw, i would have sent the mail i just sent to phalet@ to ue-leads ... but i cant (as a non-member)17:34
rickspencer3oops, phablet-screenshot doesn't work because I am not in developer mode and have no password17:34
ogra_(that was a super subtle way to get your attention to the mail, in case you didnt guess)17:34
rickspencer3it's remarkable how far this has come17:34
ogra_:D17:34
* olli feels like he should read ogra_'s mail17:36
ogra_lol17:36
rickspencer3hey barry so, it looks like my click apps that need updates now that I am on Vivid are not updating :/17:43
rickspencer3oh, wait17:44
rickspencer3I bet I need to rejigger my U1 account17:44
ogra_pmcgowan, olli bug 1387810 (see my comment at the bottom)17:52
ubot5bug 1387810 in powerd (Ubuntu RTM) "device_changed callback does unnecessary work" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138781017:52
dobeyugh, did that fix not actually get into system-settings?17:54
olliogra_, mind adding to the wishlist17:54
seb128dobey, "that"?17:54
ogra_olli, sure17:54
ollismells like OTA to me from the 2sec I could look at it17:55
ogra_(well, sure, i *dont* mind)17:55
dobeyseb128: fix to have the user log in if the u1 account token is invalidated on the server17:55
ogra_olli, yeah, not critical to have in the golden image buut should be fixed17:55
ogra_thats why i made it only "high"17:55
seb128dobey, no, that didn't get fixed17:55
olligotcha17:56
seb128dobey, gatox was assigned to that but he left Canonical recently17:56
olliall I heard is "not rtm"17:56
olli;)17:56
dobeyseb128: yeah, i thought he fixed it a couple weeks ago though. :(17:56
seb128dobey, well, maybe he did, some of his fixes didn't get reviewed/merged yet, e.g https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-system-settings/check-hash/+merge/23655417:57
seb128dobey, if you want to review, feel free17:57
pmcgowandid upower.99 just land??17:57
seb128pmcgowan, in vivid-proposed only17:58
seb128it's going to stay there until the transition is complete17:58
seb128why?17:58
dobeyick17:58
pmcgowanseb128, wasnt that a pre-req for fixing that bug?17:58
seb128pmcgowan, could be, I didn't follow the details17:59
ogra_pmcgowan, not a pre-req ... the bu only describes similar behavior we also have in RTM17:59
ogra_*bug18:00
LaneyI think it is only properly fixable with 0.9918:00
Laneyjust added a comment to that effect18:00
gcollurawho manages content-hub development? I would like to fix bug  1384490, and I would like to know if there are any plan about ContentPeerPicker appearance :)18:01
ubot5bug 1384490 in content-hub "Color issue of the hub's title" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138449018:01
ogra_ok, we probably need a second bug for the other issue then18:01
ogra_or land 0.99 in RTM :)18:01
popeygcollura: Elleo and kenvandine I think.18:01
gcollurathanks popey :)18:01
Laneyogra_: do it18:03
LaneyAFAIK it's powerd, u-s-s, indicator-power ...18:03
Laney...18:03
* ogra_ dputs 18:03
gcolluraElleo, ping18:03
rickspencer3I'm super impressed with how easily the switch to vivid went18:04
ogra_well, it is currently largely the same as utopic18:07
dpmpitti, looking at the stats of 'hi', it seems it's not very well translated for touch (<10%) - however we seem to install language-pack-touch-hi by default. Do you know why it might be?18:10
dpmpitti, I seem to remember you added a check on langpack-o-matic to build only those above a coverage threshold18:11
seb128kenvandine, looks fine to me, feel free to test/review18:22
kenvandineseb128, will do18:22
kenvandinepmcgowan, i left settings running over night on both of my devices, neither of them hung or crashed :)18:24
kenvandinenot very scientific of course ;)18:25
pmcgowankenvandine, for which bug?18:26
kenvandineno bug...18:27
kenvandinejust in reference to stability...18:27
pmcgowankenvandine, oh right I see18:28
kenvandinealso18:28
kenvandinethe brightness crash i can't reproduce anymore18:28
kenvandinei spent 20 minutes trying to make it crash18:28
pmcgowankenvandine, I never could18:28
kenvandinebut i did reproduce it last week, so maybe something landed to fix it18:28
pmcgowanmaybe some dbus fixes18:29
kenvandinepmcgowan, and that flicker while changing the brightness slider18:29
kenvandinei noticed it doesn't flicker on mako18:29
kenvandineonly krillin18:29
pmcgowanthats true, at least not as bad18:29
kenvandinelooks the same as when changing it from the indicator to me18:29
kenvandinebut on krillin it looks terrible18:29
pmcgowanright18:29
kenvandinevery different than when using the indicator18:30
kenvandinewhich makes no sense!18:30
pmcgowandidnt we decide its a different component? maybe more events sent18:30
kenvandineyes18:30
kenvandinewhich i have a branch to fix18:30
kenvandineand that improved it a bit18:30
dobeyhey kenvandine18:31
kenvandinebut the screen still brightness looked to stutter still18:31
dobeyfix the updates plug-in :)18:31
kenvandinejust the component rendering was bad too18:31
kenvandinedobey, bah... i'll defer that to you :)18:31
kenvandinedobey, get me an update-manager service :)18:31
pmcgowankenvandine, did the startup fix land in rtm? I am not seeing it hear18:32
dobeyget it on "the list"18:32
pmcgowanhere even18:32
kenvandinepmcgowan, it landed, not sure if it was in the last image18:32
pmcgowanno update today that I saw18:32
kenvandinepmcgowan, we should re-open that bug though... it's a nice improvement but it's still takes longer than 1.8s18:32
kenvandinewhich is what the bug specified :)18:33
kenvandine2.2s18:33
kenvandinei did some more profiling, and there isn't any significant outliers to fix18:34
kenvandineso i think it'll be a bunch of small improvements to get it down18:34
pmcgowankenvandine, what can be deferred ?18:34
kenvandinepmcgowan, not sure, i need to spend some more time on it18:36
kenvandinei was mostly looking for things that stood out in the graph18:36
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kenvandineseb128, got time for a review?18:47
kenvandinehttps://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-system-settings/brightness_slider/+merge/24013118:47
seb128kenvandine, that feels wrong, we should be using the toolkit slider...18:59
seb128kenvandine, oh also, there is a bug about using better icons from the theme, might include that in the same changeset18:59
kenvandineseb128, the design doesn't include the bubble indicator for the value, which the toolkit slider has19:00
kenvandineand i didn't see a way to disable it19:00
seb128kenvandine, how do you know the design doesn't have it?19:00
kenvandinethis slider doesn't cause the flicker either19:01
kenvandineseb128, it isn't on the spec19:01
seb128does it say it shouldn't have it explicitly19:01
seb128or is that just not specified?19:01
kenvandineno... but it doesn't say it should :)19:01
seb128if it's not specified I think the behaviour should be the toolkit one for consistency19:01
kenvandineseb128, then we should change the other sliders to match, like the volume slider19:02
kenvandinethat's using the menu slider19:03
seb128kenvandine, yeah, maybe let's check design/mpt first what should be the behaviour?19:03
kenvandinesure19:03
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kenvandinehave you seen the behavior on krillin with the brightness slider?19:03
kenvandineit's terrible using the sdk slider, but the menu one is much smoother19:04
kenvandinenot sure why though19:04
kenvandineonly on krillin...19:04
seb128kenvandine, yeah, not sure why because the toolkit gallery from the clickstore doesn't show that issue (I think I showed you in Washington?)19:05
seb128so it's not the widget by itself19:05
kenvandineseb128, yeah19:05
kenvandineactually, was that krillin or mako?19:05
seb128krillin19:05
kenvandineit's smooth on mako for me19:05
kenvandineok19:05
seb128try on your krillin maybe?19:05
seb128look for gallery in the click store19:05
Elleogcollura: yep, no-one's working on that yet; so if you fancy fixing it for us it'd be much appreciated :)19:07
kenvandineyeah, it's fine19:07
Elleogcollura: as far as any bigger style changes go they'd have to be discussed with the design folks19:07
Elleogcollura: afraid I'm out for the evening now, but feel free to ping me about any questions and I'll try to get back to you when I'm around :)19:08
barryrickspencer3: did you get it working?19:30
kenvandineseb128, check this out!19:32
kenvandinehttp://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8750492/19:32
kenvandineseb128, i started at 100, slid it down to about 60 then back to 10019:32
kenvandinelook at those numbers19:32
kenvandineit's getting the change notifications out of order or something19:32
seb128weird19:36
kenvandineseb128, yeah... although it doesn't completely answer why the other slider does something different19:36
kenvandineoh... i know19:36
kenvandinedifferent signal19:36
kenvandinewe change the value onUpdated19:37
kenvandineinstead of onValueChanged19:37
kenvandineso using value, it's a loop19:37
* kenvandine looks at the docs19:37
kenvandineseb128, i looked at the same output on mako and the values are in order though19:37
rickspencer3barry, yes19:38
barryrickspencer3: cool19:40
kenvandineseb128, so with the other slider component, we don't tell the actionGroup to update the state on every value change19:41
kenvandinewe only do it when the slider is updated19:41
kenvandineso it doesn't force updates out of order19:41
seb128kenvandine, ok, that makes sense20:20
seb128(sorry was at dinner)20:20
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=== salem_ is now known as _salem
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