[01:31] <PhillyMelt02> I have 4 tickets to Blake's Zombie Paintball Safari if anyone is interested.  You'd have to use them on Friday night as that is the last night they are putting it on for the season.
[11:56] <cmaloney> morn
[12:16] <mrgoodcat> ing
[12:19] <brousch> I feel like you guys are improving even within 1 game
[12:20] <brousch> Either that or I am getting worse
[12:21] <mrgoodcat> i'm spending a lot more time thinking
[12:21] <mrgoodcat> my first few games i was playing fast and loose because i didn't know what i was doing
[12:22] <mrgoodcat> now i'm walking away and coming back later to look at it with fresh eyes
[12:22] <mrgoodcat> makes for slower gameplay but also for better foresight
[12:33] <mrgoodcat> tim cook came out publicly
[12:33] <mrgoodcat> bloomberg article was pretty good
[12:34] <brousch> Came out of what?
[12:38] <mrgoodcat> the proverbial closet
[12:38] <mrgoodcat> he's gay
[12:45] <brousch> Ah
[13:07] <jrwren_> ah, so that was new news. I wasn't sure if it was old news or new news.
[13:07] <mrgoodcat> well he wasn't specifically hiding it before
[13:07] <mrgoodcat> just never acknowledged it
[13:17] <cmaloney> I wish this weren't news.
[13:18] <cmaloney> Similar to when some of the members of Cynic openly came out.
[13:19] <cmaloney> It shouldn't matter to your creative or other processes.
[13:47] <jrwren_> members of Cynic?
[13:48] <jrwren_> I think the CEO of the largest corporation in the world is a bit bigger deal than somone I've never heard of :)
[13:56] <mrgoodcat> largest corporation in the world is the PLA
[13:56] <jrwren_> PLA?
[13:56] <jrwren_> AAPL is largest by market cap and enterprise value.
[14:00] <mrgoodcat> people's liberation army
[14:01] <mrgoodcat> the chinese military
[14:01] <jrwren_> not a corporation
[14:01] <mrgoodcat> AAPL may be the largest publicly traded company
[14:02] <jrwren_> largest by some definition of largest.
[14:03] <mrgoodcat> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Apple-MacBook-Air-Core-i5-1-6GHz-4GB-RAM-128GB-HD-11-6-MC969LL-A/121449070235
[14:03] <mrgoodbot> http://goo.gl/IGSb8m - Apple MacBook Air Core i5 1 6GHz 4GB RAM 128GB HD 11 6" MC969LL A 885909464043 | eBay
[14:03] <mrgoodcat> pretty good deal
[14:03] <brousch> 4GB RAM?
[14:03] <mrgoodcat> yup
[14:03] <brousch> ew
[14:04] <mrgoodcat> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[14:04] <brousch> And impossible to upgrade yourself
[14:04] <mrgoodcat> i get by with 2GB on a daily basis
[14:04] <mrgoodcat> the air is meant to be a portable computer to work away from work/home, not a workstation
[14:05] <brousch> I have only a laptop.
[14:05] <mrgoodcat> besides, at 550$ what would you expect?
[14:05] <mrgoodcat> i also have only a laptop
[14:05] <mrgoodcat> with 2GB RAM
[14:05] <mrgoodcat> and like i said, i get by just fine
[14:06] <brousch> I have 1 computer. I need 512GB of storage and 8GB of RAM so I can run VMs
[14:06] <mrgoodcat> ah i don't run vms too much
[14:06] <mrgoodcat> and when i do i run them on our server at work
[14:06] <mrgoodcat> also, compile on build server
[14:06] <brousch> Ah, DGS tournaments are where the action is
[14:06] <mrgoodcat> but other than that, this is sufficient for me
[14:07] <brousch> You assign your own rating the first time
[14:12] <brousch> At least register for the Ladders so you can get a real idea of your rank and rating
[14:16] <mrgoodcat> should i?
[14:17] <jrwren_> $550 ian't bad for that laptop
[14:17] <jrwren_> but to answer brousch, no, nothing on it is upgradable.
[14:20] <brousch> I would be tempted if I could get 512GB SSD in it
[14:21] <mrgoodcat> i live with a 128GB ssd also lol
[14:22] <brousch> I have decades of photos and videos
[14:22] <mrgoodcat> yea i don't keep anything like that on my laptop
[14:22] <mrgoodcat> i'm using... 13GB right now
[14:22] <brousch> Where do you keep them if that's your only computer?
[14:22] <mrgoodcat> Arch linux
[14:23] <mrgoodcat> brousch: google, facebook, dropbox, couple external HDDs... they're spread around. i've never really been the type to get sentimental about pictures
[14:24] <brousch> I keep it all in Dropbox. It's synced to that computer so it's all backed up
[14:24] <mrgoodcat> yea so mine is all in dropbox but i don't sync
[14:24] <brousch> That sounds annoying
[14:24] <mrgoodcat> i have 1TB dropbox and 1TB google
[14:25] <mrgoodcat> the google came free with the chromebook. They usually give 100GB but I got a special deal :)
[14:25] <brousch> So when you want something you go to the dropbox/google web client and download it, then re-upload?
[14:26] <mrgoodcat> i sync my docs and stuff
[14:26] <mrgoodcat> but pictures and videos i consider long-term storage and don't sync
[14:26] <jrwren_> I have a 512GB SSD, which I cut in half and never use the secon half. I should reclaim that space and maybe even use it :)
[14:26] <mrgoodcat> i mostly view them in the web client
[14:27] <brousch> I didn't realize you could selectively sync
[14:27] <mrgoodcat> yep
[14:27] <mrgoodcat> by folder
[14:28] <brousch> Now I need to look to look into this
[14:29] <mrgoodcat> lol
[14:29] <mrgoodcat> also, i'm in the process of switching everything to Mega
[14:29] <mrgoodcat> because encryption++ and privacy++
[14:32] <brousch> I don't see how to tell a folder not to sync
[14:41] <mrgoodcat> i use the cmdline interface
[14:42] <mrgoodcat> hang on i'll show you in a sec
[14:42] <mrgoodcat> in a meeting
[14:48] <brousch> mrgoodcat: Ah, I found it. It's in the desktop client prefs
[14:51] <brousch> Hm, this opens some interesting opportunities for upgrades
[14:54] <mrgoodcat> brousch: you should check out Mega though
[14:56] <mrgoodcat> 50GB free, and client side encrypted using a key derived from your password
[14:56] <mrgoodcat> i'm gonna do the 2TB plan
[14:59] <brousch> Hm, so the problem with an unsynced folder is that the only copy of that file is on Dropbox
[15:00] <brousch> So if Dropbox disappears, so does that file
[15:00] <mrgoodcat> if dropbox disappears....
[15:00] <mrgoodcat> so run the dropbox cli client on a home server and backup periodically
[15:01] <mrgoodcat> although i'd say the chances of Dropbox disappearing without at least some forewarning are approaching zero
[15:01] <brousch> then I need 2 computers
[15:02] <mrgoodcat> what else did you think selective sync meant?
[15:02] <brousch> It's unlikely, but it feels like an incomplete backup
[15:02] <brousch> I know what it meant, I just had not considered all of the ramifications
[15:03] <mrgoodcat> i trust dropbox infinitely more than my laptop when it comes to data integrity/longevity
[15:03] <brousch> It would also make moving to another provider difficult as you'd have to download then re-upload
[15:03] <mrgoodcat> yes
[15:12] <mrgoodcat> dropbox is not a backup service though, they are a syncing service
[15:13] <mrgoodcat> hmmmm save 40€ by getting a year or start month-by-month?... not sure if i'm commited enough to Mega for a 200€ up front cost
[15:17] <brousch> They are my backup
[15:18] <brousch> All of my data is on my laptop synced to Dropbox
[15:18] <mrgoodcat> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[15:18] <brousch> My photos from Android automatically sync too
[15:18] <mrgoodcat> yea my photos currently sync to Dropbox, g+, and Mega
[15:18] <mrgoodcat> lol
[15:19] <brousch> It's not the cheapest system, but it's simple and reliable
[15:19] <jrwren_> i need to get me some of that free storage syncing.
[15:19] <mrgoodcat> i guess it's a matter of how you think about it
[15:19] <brousch> My wife's go to a free Dropbox shared with mine. I clean her photos out every year or so
[15:19] <mrgoodcat> i think of the online as the 'primary' copy
[15:19] <mrgoodcat> you think of it as the bakckup
[15:19] <brousch> Interesting
[15:22] <mrgoodcat> i'm thinking about writing a client that will back up mega to amazon glacier storage or something like that
[15:22] <mrgoodcat> might be an interesting side project if nothing else
[15:22] <mrgoodcat> need to brush up on my c++ anyways
[15:22] <jrwren_> boto is so good, i'd use python for anything aws api
[15:23] <mrgoodcat> the Mega SDK is cpp
[15:23] <jrwren_> ah, interesting. WHY THE ?!?!?
[15:23] <jrwren_> is it becasue of the local sync?
[15:24] <mrgoodcat> don't understand the question
[15:25] <mrgoodcat> https://mega.co.nz/#doc look at #3 and #4
[15:25] <mrgoodbot> closed - README/Docs formalization/typos and another gitignore - https://github.com/bookieio/Bookie/pull/3
[15:25] <mrgoodbot> closed - importer doesn't handle spaces - https://github.com/bookieio/Bookie/issues/4
[15:25] <mrgoodbot> http://goo.gl/iERdu - MEGA
[15:25] <mrgoodcat> lol it thought that was bookie bug numbers...
[15:26] <jrwren_> if it is just a remote services api, i can't imagine a reason to use C++
[15:27] <mrgoodcat> .reload
[15:27] <mrgoodbot> reloaded 35 plugins in 0.021332 seconds
[15:27] <mrgoodcat> #3
[15:27] <mrgoodbot> closed - README/Docs formalization/typos and another gitignore - https://github.com/bookieio/Bookie/pull/3
[15:27] <mrgoodcat> damn
[15:27] <mrgoodcat> not worth looking
[15:29] <brousch> Need the #stuff to be channel-specific
[15:29] <mrgoodcat> he's not even in the bookie channel anymore
[15:30] <mrgoodcat> after seeing how much rick despises bots I changed the name and switched it to this channel only. just forgot to remove bookie specific functions
[15:31] <mrgoodcat> jrwren_: i don't hate cpp so i guess it doesn't matter to me as much as it does to you
[15:32] <mrgoodcat> my guess is the crypto was easier/faster in cpp since the crypto is all client side
[15:33] <jrwren_> i don't hate cpp.
[15:33] <jrwren_> I love cpp.
[15:33] <jrwren_> especially c++14
[15:33] <jrwren_> its awesome.
[15:34] <mrgoodcat> "i can't imagine a reason to use C++"
[15:34] <jrwren_> its more a matter of right tool for right job and any speed benefit of cpp is immediately negated by the fact that you are talking to a slow remote http api... at least, this is true in aws.
[15:34] <jrwren_> mrgoodcat: IN CONTEXT!
[15:34] <jrwren_> mrgoodcat: hell, you just removed the first half of the sentence.
[15:35] <jrwren_> 11:26   jrwren_| if it is just a remote services api, i can't imagine a reason to use C++
[15:35] <jrwren_> mrgoodcat: have you considered a career as a reporter?
[15:35] <mrgoodcat> wow. i can see you handle jokes well...
[15:36] <jrwren_> jokes require smileys or an indicator that it is a joke. This is not an easy medium for jokes.
[15:36] <mrgoodcat> but on a more serious note, i didn't pick C++, they did. Obviously they had a reason
[15:36] <jrwren_> Indeed, a reason.
[15:37] <greg-g> depends on what the ratio is between web requests and local processing is, too
[15:37] <greg-g> (no idea what the context is)
[15:37] <mrgoodcat> greg-g: Mega file syncing service
[15:37] <greg-g> hmm, not sure then
[15:38] <greg-g> unless they're using the crypto bits of c++ for added speed
[15:38] <jrwren_> the crypto bits make sense, although, python crypto is a C lib, so it will be just as fast.
[15:38] <greg-g> true
[15:38] <mrgoodcat> the crypto is client side, so i'd imagine the local/web processing ratio is significantly higher than most syncing services, but idk if its high enough to need cpp
[15:38] <jrwren_> Its like reasons which make no sense to outsiders.
[15:38] <jrwren_> s/like/likely/
[15:39] <greg-g> "it's what I/my team know(s)" is probably the reason :)
[15:39] <mrgoodcat> i'd imagine that's a large part of it
[15:39] <greg-g> see also: most software ;)
[15:39] <jrwren_> ain't nothing wrong with that.
[15:40] <jrwren_> unless its java. :p
[15:40] <greg-g> jrwren_: see about 98% of "enterprise" software (which, unfortunately, is where a ton of money/market is)
[15:40] <greg-g> :P
[15:40] <mrgoodcat> anyways, C++ is what they used, so the choice is use C++, or use some sort of binding to a different language
[15:43] <mrgoodcat> heh, http://www.netjeff.com/humor/item.cgi?file=Foryouunixhackersoutthere
[15:43] <mrgoodbot> http://goo.gl/37pqIM - A unix poem
[15:48] <cmaloney> jrwren_: CYNIC is a death metal band
[15:48] <cmaloney> with several well-regarded members
[15:49] <mrgoodcat> jrwren_: re jokes: you can pretty much assume that 80% of the things I say are not serious
[15:50] <greg-g> this always scares me at the beginning of a day during an apt-get upgrade:
[15:50] <greg-g> Get:1 http://dl.google.com/linux/talkplugin/deb/ stable/main google-talkplugin amd64 5.38.5.0-1 [7,298 kB]
[15:50] <mrgoodbot> http://goo.gl/KoMMok - Error 404 (Not Found)!!1
[15:50] <greg-g> maybe the issues I was having yesterday will be fixed
[15:51] <mrgoodcat> updating google talk scares you?
[15:53] <greg-g> yes
[15:53] <jrwren_> greg-g: is that a chrome plugin for gtalk?
[15:53] <greg-g> I depend on it for work, but I also have issues sporadically, so change scares me :)
[15:54] <greg-g> that's the thing that you install to do hangouts
[15:54] <greg-g> I just added it to my sources.list
[15:54] <greg-g> well, sources.list.d
[15:59] <mrgoodcat> https://github.com/shish/pgosquery
[15:59] <mrgoodbot> http://goo.gl/0sghGp - shish/pgosquery · GitHub
[16:05] <jrwren_> nice!
[16:05] <jrwren_> FDW FTW
[16:06] <jrwren_> does anyone remember Window's osquery from windows 2000? I can't recall its name.
[16:07] <mrgoodcat> nope
[16:08] <jrwren_> WMI!
[16:08] <jrwren_> I finally found it.
[16:10] <jrwren_> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa392902(v=vs.85).aspx
[16:10] <mrgoodbot> http://goo.gl/nT1lPG - Querying with WQL (Windows)
[18:14] <brousch> mrgoodcat: Here you can replace your laptop and cloud storage for $200! http://www.amazon.com/HP-Stream-Laptop-Personal-Horizon/dp/B00NSHLUBU/
[18:14] <mrgoodcat> heh
[18:17] <jrwren_> that is actually pretty great alternative to chromebook
[18:17] <mrgoodcat> yea if you want/need windows
[18:17] <brousch> Does onedrive have selective sync?
[18:17] <jrwren_> brousch: does it have sync at all?
[18:17] <brousch> it does
[18:17] <brousch> http://clouddock.co/7-onedrive-tricks/
[18:18] <jrwren_> sweet!
[18:18] <brousch> wow, it's worded almost exactly like DropBox's was
[18:18] <jrwren_> my onedrive: 38.5 GB available
[18:18] <jrwren_> I also have live365 office, but I thought that was for pay. I have no idea why I have it.
[18:19] <mrgoodcat> live365 office != office365 iirc
[18:19] <jrwren_> oh?!?
[18:19] <mrgoodcat> i think live365 is a more stripped down free version
[18:19] <jrwren_> sad that I have to ask in an ubuntu channel to get an answer :)
[18:19] <mrgoodcat> lol
[18:20] <brousch> Did Ubuntu kill their cloud storage?
[18:20] <jrwren_> brousch: yes.
[18:20] <mrgoodcat> yup
[18:20] <mrgoodcat> i never really used it though
[18:22] <jrwren_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_365 has a great matrix breakdown of hte plans.
[18:22] <jrwren_> office online is free.
[18:23] <mrgoodcat> seems so
[19:08] <mrgoodcat> https://thegrid.io
[19:08] <mrgoodcat> living in the future is wonderful
[19:23] <cmaloney> BTW: I think TagSpaces is awesome. :)
[19:23] <cmaloney> http://www.tagspaces.org/
[19:23] <cmaloney> Think Evernote with local control.
[19:25] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: what sync/backup services do you use if any?
[19:33] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: thank you for this. this is exactly what i need
[19:36] <cmaloney> I use Duplicity with a Synology raid at home
[19:36] <cmaloney> I don't have offsite storage yet.
[19:36] <cmaloney> Haven't found the sweet spot between affordable and trust yet.
[19:37] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: I also use "Drafts" on my phone to put new documents in there so I have my mobile inbox.
[19:37] <brousch> mrgoodcat: Well done getting that structure in my corner
[19:38] <cmaloney> Sorrt, Draft.
[19:39] <cmaloney> I use Dropbox because everything connects to Dropbox.
[19:39] <cmaloney> I used to use Ubuntu One but... well... ;)
[19:43] <mrgoodcat> brousch: thanks. i hope my next play wasn't too light
[19:50] <mrgoodcat> brousch: how did you pick 29 kyu?
[19:50] <mrgoodcat> and what exactly does kyu mean?
[19:50] <brousch> 30kyu is basically complete n00b
[19:51] <brousch> I have no idea my rating, so I picked 29
[19:51] <mrgoodcat> and 1kyu is super master extraordinaire?
[19:51] <brousch> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_ranks_and_ratings#Kyu_and_dan_ranks
[19:51] <brousch> No
[19:51] <brousch> Then it goes to Dan
[19:52] <cmaloney> And then you become one with the goban
[19:52] <mrgoodcat> lol
[19:52] <brousch> I suspect I'm about 25kyu, but not sure
[19:52] <cmaloney> Yeah, I have NFC on my rating
[19:52] <cmaloney> same with Chess
[19:52] <cmaloney> it's at the point where I'm so much of a n00b that the points don't matter
[19:53] <mrgoodcat> like whose line
[19:53] <cmaloney> Exactly
[20:11]  * mrgoodcat is trying hard to harass brousch's territory
[20:17] <brousch> Soind well
[20:19] <brousch> wow, Doing well
[20:29] <cmaloney> http://www.engadget.com/2014/10/30/msi-gt80-titan/
[20:29] <brousch> geez