[04:23] <Apie> Maaz: tell Kilos "Morning Meneer!"
[04:23] <Maaz> Apie: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[05:20] <bduk1> Morning guys and girls
[05:24] <theblazehen> Hi bduk1 
[05:26] <Apie> Morning bduk1 
[05:26] <Apie> Morning theblazehen 
[05:26] <theblazehen> Hi Apie 
[05:27] <theblazehen> Ooh now I get your name...
[05:27] <Apie> Woke up before my alarm clock today, 5:30 heh
[05:27] <theblazehen> Im slow...
[05:27] <theblazehen> Heh
[05:27] <Apie> Monkey? :)
[05:27] <theblazehen> Yeah :)
[05:28] <Apie> I use this nick on my phone
[05:28] <theblazehen> I know
[05:29] <Apie> Last night I got a 3D rotating cube in javascript working. I was chuffed :]
[05:30] <Apie> Took 2 days of reading up. Getting slow in my old age!
[05:30] <theblazehen> Apie: still better than me..
[05:30] <theblazehen> Hi bushtech 
[05:40] <Kilos> morning apiebdunltumand others
[05:40] <Kilos> ai!
[05:40] <Kilos> Apie, bduk1 nlsthzn and others
[05:41] <Kilos> no idea what happened there
[05:43] <Apie> Spacebar is still sleeping. more Kilos 
[05:43] <Apie> Haste makes waste! Last night I downloaded 10.04 by mistake! Ai!
[05:44] <Kilos> hi tumbleweed i think you had a hacathon thing some time in the last year can you add it to our re app page please
[05:44] <Apie> Now I have two copies :p
[05:44] <Kilos> oh my Apie donker werk is konkel werk
[05:44] <Kilos> head bad today
[05:45] <Kilos> i dont space the tab complete adds one
[05:47] <Kilos> apie teach maaz the link to the reapp page please
[05:47] <Kilos> i scroll me dumb trying to find it
[05:48] <Apie> not sure how to do that
[05:48] <Apie> Maaz: help remember things
[05:48] <Maaz> Apie: What?
[05:48] <Kilos> Maaz, reapp is <reply> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/TeamVerificationGuidelines#Benefits_of_Verification
[05:48] <Maaz> Kilos: I'll remember that
[05:49] <Apie> Maaz: help remembering things
[05:49] <Maaz> Apie: Excuse me?
[05:52] <Kilos> Maaz, google kubuntu twitter client
[05:52] <Maaz> Kilos: "Choqok « KDE Microblog client" http://choqok.gnufolks.org/ :: "The Best KDE Twitter Client - Make Tech Easier" http://www.maketecheasier.com/the-best-kde-twitter-client/ :: "The quest for the perfect Twitter client on Linux" http://standardsandfreedom.net/index.php/2014/02/18/twitterclient/ :: "The Best Twitter Client for Linux - Lifehacker"
[05:52] <Maaz> http://lifehacker.com/5879964/the-best-twitter-client-for-linux :: "Get the best Twitter app for Linux …
[05:52] <Kilos> ah
[05:52] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[05:52] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[05:53] <Apie> On twitter kilos?
[05:53] <Apie> Is it worth using it?
[05:53] <Kilos> i need to get the reapp thing to twitter ya
[05:53] <Kilos> ubuntuza has some followers there
[05:54] <Kilos> i wish inetpro will say if i should or not
[05:56] <Kilos> or the fly too
[06:04] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:04] <Kilos> apie i gave the bot the wrong link
[06:04] <Kilos> thats the guide page
[06:05] <Kilos> Maaz, forget reapp
[06:05] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto
[06:12] <Kilos> hi Kerbero 
[06:12] <Kerbero> hi oom kilos
[06:12] <Kerbero> hoe gaan dit vanmôre?
[06:12] <Kilos> bietjie stadig man kop klap 
[06:12] <Kilos> en by jou?
[06:13] <Kerbero> ek moet nou my koffie gaan kry voor ek kan begin dink
[06:13] <Kerbero> :)
[06:13] <Kerbero> verder is dit prima
[06:13] <Kilos> lol
[06:19] <Apie> Vat jy iets vir die kop Kilos ? we worry about you
[06:19] <Kilos> nou , i sleep it off. dont worry man ive been carrying this head since 98
[06:20] <Kilos> took pain killers for 7 years or so and all they did was mess up my guts
[06:21] <Apie> Ja best not to
[06:21] <Kilos> what is the page link please apie
[06:21] <Apie> For?
[06:21] <Kilos> re evaluation
[06:22] <Kilos> have you added that we have lost 2 guys to silicon valley
[06:22] <Kilos> i think thats important to put in
[06:23] <Apie> On the road now, I'll check it later
[06:23] <Apie> See email new link th're :)
[06:23] <Kilos> ok
[06:24] <Kilos> ty
[06:24] <Kilos> Maaz, reapp is <reply> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReApprovalApplication2014
[06:24] <Maaz> Kilos: One learns a new thing every day
[06:25] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[06:26] <magespawn> hello Kilos 
[06:26] <Kilos> what button must i use to see what the page looks like now Apie 
[06:26] <Kilos> i dont wanna edit i want to see whats been done
[06:27] <Kilos> nlsthzn, wake up man
[06:41] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:41] <Kilos> morning inetpro 
[06:41] <inetpro> Kilos: pong
[06:42] <Kilos> lol
[06:42] <Kilos> where you been?
[06:42] <Kilos> i need info please inetpro 
[06:42] <inetpro> uh, does it matter?
[06:42] <Kilos> yes man of course
[06:42] <inetpro> ai!
[06:42] <inetpro> what's up doc?
[06:43] <Kilos> i need to know first if we can add https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13877196/stallman_ukzn_20140906_960x540theora_128vorbis.mkv.torrent
[06:43] <Kilos> to ubuntuza
[06:44] <Kilos> and also the re-evaluation thing
[06:44] <Kilos> better if you do it
[06:44] <Kilos> then
[06:45] <Kilos> can you and blaze please make up a report on your sfd experience
[06:47] <Kilos> we must keep the guys going while the re-evaluation thing is still fresh in their minds. momkey and neelsie have done some work there
[06:47] <Kilos> monkey too
[07:03] <inetpro> uh... sorry but if it depends on me you'll have to wait
[07:04] <Kilos> thats fine, i just need to know what to do so long
[07:04] <inetpro> I don't think it depends on me man, seriously
[07:05] <Kilos> can i add that info to ubuntuza on twitter or isnt it rlevant there
[07:05] <Kilos> relevant
[07:06] <Kilos> and trhe sfd report depends on you and blaze
[07:06] <Kilos> sjoe sukkel vandag
[07:07] <inetpro> if it makes sense, add it
[07:07] <inetpro> if you're unsure, compile it, post here and ask people if it's ok to post publicly
[07:07]  * inetpro is not in charge of ubuntu-za
[07:07] <Kilos> the tweet place man
[07:08] <Kilos> you the guidance guy
[07:08] <Kilos> otherwise you fight me
[07:08] <inetpro> everyone is the guidance guy
[07:08] <Kilos> ai!
[07:08] <Kilos> strydom mood again today
[07:09] <Kilos> im sure you smirking there
[07:09] <inetpro> just busy here, sorry oom
[07:09] <Kilos> np busy i understand
[07:09]  * inetpro is the least important person in the room
[07:10] <magespawn> mmm, there might be a difference of opinoin on that
[07:10] <magespawn> opinion 
[07:11] <Kilos> yip magespawn he is in strydom mode again
[07:11] <magespawn> you will have to explain that Kilos
[07:11] <inetpro> ai!
[07:12] <Kilos> strydoms like to argue
[07:12] <magespawn> ahh right
[07:12] <Kilos> stry=argue
[07:12] <magespawn> doms=???
[07:12] <inetpro> and dom?
[07:13] <Kilos> dom added to stry =argueing just for the sake of it
[07:13] <inetpro> hmm...
[07:13] <theblazehen> Down to 7MB data :( hi inetpro 
[07:13] <inetpro> hi theblazehen
[07:13] <magespawn> end of the month tomorrow
[07:13] <Kilos> eish theblazehen thats hard hey
[07:13] <Kilos> been there done that
[07:13] <theblazehen> Ya :(
[07:14] <theblazehen> At least I get more saturday
[07:16] <Kilos> yay
[07:19] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[07:19] <superfly> hi Kilos
[07:26] <theblazehen> Hi superfly 
[07:31] <magespawn> hi superfly
[07:35] <Kilos> hi Spekko bushtech 
[07:40] <inetpro> Maaz: ftp
[07:40] <Maaz> Dump FTP! http://www.43folders.com/2008/07/14/dump-ftp see also: FTP must Die!! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie
[07:40] <magespawn> okay, that was a bit random
[07:41] <inetpro> magespawn: this one keeps haunting me
[07:42] <magespawn> and it is amazing how many web hosting companies do not support anything else, or it is their default setting
[07:42]  * inetpro hates having to troubleshoot user issues that involve FTP
[07:46] <inetpro> FTP is an outdated, insecure, slow and unfriendly pig of a protocol. It has no business being on the Internet in the 21st century. FTP MUST DIE!
[07:49] <Kilos> hehe see magespawn thats what put him in strydom mode
[07:50] <inetpro> exactly
[07:50] <magespawn> having worked with it a bit now, i am starting to agree
[07:54] <Kilos> so ftp is the culprit and kilos must pay
[07:54] <Kilos> sigh
[08:43] <magespawn> inetpro do you deal with a lot of user issues? software created or user created?
[08:49] <JP_> hi every one i am back 
[08:49] <Kilos> hi JP_ 
[08:49] <Kilos> some more clever peeps here today
[08:49] <Kilos> did you sort it?
[08:50] <JP_> hi kilos 
[08:50] <JP_>  and no i still have the same problem
[08:50] <charl> good morning
[08:50] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:50]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[08:51] <charl> hi JP_, Kilos, magespawn, inetpro 
[08:51] <Kilos> ok just state the prob again for those that were away yesterday
[08:51] <Kilos> hi charl 
[08:51] <charl> :)
[08:51] <theblazehen> Hi everyone
[08:51] <charl> hi theblazehen 
[08:52] <Kilos> charl, how much router experience you got?
[08:52] <JP_> ok i loaded ubutu 14.04 on a laptop that has windows 8.1 on ,it istalled great but my network is a problem 
[08:53] <JP_> my network is connected but can't go on the internet or update or install 
[08:54] <charl> not a huge amount Kilos 
[08:54] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[08:55] <charl> JP_ are you connected via lan cable or wlan
[08:55] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[08:55] <Maaz> charl: No problem
[08:55] <Kilos> ai! JP_ has a router but his 14.10 dont go online through it
[08:55] <charl> you have to be very specific about the details of the connection please
[08:55] <Kilos> eth
[08:55] <JP_> i aam on the wlan now
[08:56] <JP_> it was 14.10 ,its now 14.04.1 today kilos
[08:56] <Kilos> ah
[08:57] <JP_> yea reloaded 14.04.1 today but same problem
[08:57] <Kilos> i think when i still had my router connected i had to use dhcp before it connected
[08:57] <Kilos> is this a big network
[08:58] <charl> JP_ what are the results of dhcp, can you paste the output of ifconfig on paste.ubuntu.com ?
[08:58] <charl> what have you done so far to debug the problem
[08:59] <JP_> i can try its going to take me a few min
[09:00] <Kilos> charl, i think he is here from a second lappy
[09:01] <charl> oh yes of course
[09:01] <charl> while you're at it, also paste the output of route
[09:01] <charl> then we can see if the router is configured as the default route of your laptop
[09:02] <charl> as well as the contents of /etc/network/interfaces
[09:02] <charl> those would be the three primary things (i think)
[09:03] <charl> if you have to move it around with usb it's easier to do it at once :)
[09:03] <JP_> ok i pasted it
[09:03] <charl> url?
[09:05] <Kilos> you have to submit and then the url changes then that you paste here
[09:06] <JP_> ok sorry what is the all 3  commands i need to put in and copy
[09:06] <charl> yes please
[09:06] <JP_> soory i am new at ubuntu 
[09:06] <charl> yes the output of two commands and then the contents of one file
[09:06] <Kilos> ok 
[09:06] <charl> no problem :)
[09:07] <Kilos> sudo gedit  /etc/network/interfaces
[09:07] <Kilos> then copy paste the contents
[09:07] <charl> or if you're on the terminal, cat /etc/network/interfaces
[09:08] <charl> the cat command just writes the content of the file to the standard output (displays it on the terminal)
[09:08]  * Kilos sits back
[09:09] <charl> the simplest way is the following:
[09:09] <Kilos> JP_, you get terminals by pressing ctrl+alt+t
[09:09] <charl> ifconfig >> info.txt
[09:09] <charl> route >> info.txt
[09:09] <charl> ccat /etc/network/interfaces >> info.txt
[09:10] <JP_> ok thank you busy with that now
[09:10] <charl> that writes the output to a file called info.txt in your current working directory (in this instance)
[09:10] <charl> the double > means it appends the output to the file
[09:10] <charl> a single > overwrites the file
[09:10] <magespawn> charl ccat, i have not seen that before
[09:11] <charl> magespawn ?? ccat?
[09:11] <magespawn> ccat /etc/network/interfaces >> info.txt
[09:11] <magespawn> ^
[09:11] <Kilos> hehe
[09:11] <charl> oh don't know it, interesting
[09:11] <charl> what does that do different than regular cat?
[09:11] <Kilos> bouncy finger
[09:11] <charl> oh i see, typo :)
[09:11] <magespawn> ahh yes maybe
[09:11] <magespawn> right
[09:12] <charl> cat just reads the file and outputs its contents
[09:12] <charl> really simple tool
[09:12] <charl> one of the "essential linux cmmands"
[09:12] <Kilos> wb Apie 
[09:12] <charl> hi Apie 
[09:12] <magespawn> yup i thought is was an enhanced version or something like that
[09:12] <Kilos> charl just helping JP_ 
[09:12] <charl> oh sorry ! i saw now i typed it :D
[09:13] <charl> never even realised, apologies
[09:13] <magespawn> lol
[09:13] <charl> it's morning and i haven't had my coffee yet :P
[09:13] <charl> actually i'm typing on my new laptop and i'm not used to the keyboard yet
[09:14] <Apie> hi folks
[09:14] <JP_> ok that cat doesn't want tp work 
[09:14] <charl> also not with the on c ?
[09:14] <JP_> ccat is not installed
[09:14] <charl> yeah sorry my mistake :(
[09:14] <charl> it's cat with one c
[09:15] <charl> i'm on a new keyboard :D
[09:15] <Kilos> excuses
[09:16]  * Kilos hides
[09:17] <Apie> Lol
[09:17]  * Apie points a banana where Kilos is hiding
[09:17] <charl> :D
[09:18] <charl> Apie: don't point your ******* bananas at me :D
[09:18] <charl> sorry bad reference to a movie
[09:18] <Kilos> hehe
[09:19] <Kilos> help JP_ man we need new blood
[09:19]  * Kilos sharpens vampire teeth
[09:20] <charl> hehe
[09:22] <JP_> ok pasted is that every thing
[09:22] <charl> do you have everything in one file now that you can bring over ?
[09:23] <charl> if you can bring that onto your other laptop with for example a usb key and paste it on paste.ubuntu.com and give us the url then we can see what's going on
[09:23] <JP_> yea i just pasted it ,is all there ,i hope
[09:24] <JP_> sorry if words come out funny 
[09:25] <Kilos> JP_, after you have it there tick paste then copy,paste the new link here
[09:26] <Kilos> you will see it has changed
[09:26] <JP_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8744539/ sorry guys ,blond moment
[09:27] <Kilos> np
[09:28] <charl> ok let's see
[09:29] <charl> eth0 has no ip address, that's your first problem
[09:29] <charl> wlan0 DOES have an ip address
[09:29] <charl> are you sure you are connected via lan cable
[09:29] <charl> because it looks like you're connected via wireless
[09:30] <charl> your routing table looks good, for wireless
[09:31] <charl> nothing static configured in your interfaces file so you must be using dhcp
[09:31] <charl> only guess i can make is that there is something wrong with your wireless connection
[09:31] <charl> there could be a driver problem, for example
[09:31] <charl> or something could even be up with the router's configuration
[09:31] <JP_> yes the wireless is on the wired network is unpluged wil past a other one with everthing connected
[09:31] <charl> yes with the wired network enabled and wireless disabled please
[09:32] <charl> you don't need the /etc/network/interfaces again, only ifconfig and route this time
[09:32] <JP_> yes i am using dhcp
[09:34] <JP_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8744645/
[09:34] <charl> now it looks like you have both enabled but it looks good
[09:35] <charl> you have an ip address on eth0 and another entry in your routing table
[09:35] <charl> looks perfect
[09:35] <charl> and you really cannot access anything from that machine? have you tried pinging google.com?
[09:35] <JP_> sorry i did disconnect it will do it again
[09:36] <charl> no problem doesn't matter afaik it looks good
[09:36] <charl> but maybe try pinging google.com, leave the ping running and try all kinds of things
[09:36] <charl> like the one enabled, the other disabled, then vice versa, both enabled etc
[09:36] <charl> if you start getting a response that's a good thing
[09:38] <JP_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8744683/ here we go
[09:38] <charl> yeah that looks good
[09:38] <charl> i think try the ping next
[09:39] <JP_> i have done that already it gives me
[09:39] <JP_> unknown host
[09:40] <charl> ah then the problem might be related to your dns
[09:40] <charl> one sec
[09:40] <JP_> how do i sort that out
[09:40] <charl> can you give us the output of this command:
[09:40] <charl> nmcli dev list iface eth0
[09:41] <JP_> ok cool 
[09:44] <JP_> here we go http://paste.ubuntu.com/8744719/
[09:48] <JP_> back in 5 ,just need to check a delivery 
[09:49] <magespawn> gotta go as well, chat latter
[09:50] <charl> IP4.DNS[1]:                             10.0.0.2
[09:50] <charl> that line is what i'm interested in
[09:50] <charl> is that correct?
[09:50] <charl> is that your router perhaps?
[09:52] <charl> first try this to see it your network is working:
[09:52] <charl> ping 8.8.8.8
[09:52] <charl> if you get a response the problem is definitely related to your dns
[09:56] <JP_> ok i just got word ,i needd to set 10 laptops that are pre-loaded with windows 8.1 with abuntu 14.04 and they must connect to any wireless connection 
[09:56] <JP_> ok 
[09:57] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:57] <charl> sorry i have to go
[09:57] <Kilos> keep note of how you sort the first one
[09:57] <charl> bbl
[09:57] <JP_> it gives unreachable
[09:58] <JP_> will do 
[09:59] <Kilos> now you have to be patient again, the guys have to keep work stuff going as well
[10:00] <JP_> it ok ,he is a great help and so are you ,waiting is worth it
[10:01] <Kilos> start installing on the next one so long
[10:01] <Kilos> hehe
[10:01] <Kilos> actually lets try something
[10:01] <JP_> ha ha ha ha ha ha don't remind me 
[10:02] <Kilos> have you got another one nearby
[10:02] <Kilos> and how are you installing from dvd or usb stick
[10:02] <JP_> i have 10 of them
[10:03] <Kilos> lets see if the live system can connect
[10:03] <Kilos> that is your install medium
[10:04] <JP_> ok the live system is where i run it from the flash
[10:04] <Kilos> cool boot one from the flash disk and choose try
[10:04] <Kilos> not install
[10:05] <JP_> ok will do so
[10:19] <JP_> does the same as the installed ubuntu
[10:19] <Kilos> did you look at the top right in the panel there
[10:20] <Kilos> you should see a network manager applet
[10:20] <Kilos> you click on that and it will open a window with settings
[10:21] <JP_> ok will check now 
[10:24] <JP_> nope there isn't a network manager applet
[10:25] <JP_> i see when you want to install ubuntu there is a oem install
[10:26] <Kilos> i am on kubuntu so its different, and memory sucks. you see the volume icon?
[10:26] <Kilos> next to that should be a network icon
[10:28] <JP_> nope there isn't
[10:28] <Kilos> eish
[10:29] <Kilos> is the eth cable plugged in?
[10:29] <JP_> yea maby i must try the oem 
[10:29] <JP_> yip its pluged
[10:29] <Kilos> unplug and replug and see then
[10:30] <Kilos> how good is that cable
[10:30] <JP_> ok 
[10:30] <Kilos> try another one
[10:30] <JP_> is there a network reset command
[10:30] <Kilos> 14.04 sees any network connections normally. if there is no icon there is no network connection
[10:31] <Kilos> is there anyway you can bypass the router and go direct adsl
[10:32] <JP_> nope ,only if i connect wireless
[10:33] <JP_> i am on the same net work ,but with windows
[10:34] <Kilos> whew, you have a 3g modem near?
[10:35] <JP_> no sorry ,i don't have
[10:35] <Kilos> hmm...
[10:35] <Kilos> nlsthzn, ping
[10:36] <Kilos> JP_, how did you make the flash install disk
[10:36] <JP_> must i put that in to command prop
[10:37] <Kilos> what?
[10:38] <Kilos> oh the nlsthzn thing
[10:38] <Kilos> no im calling one of the guys thats in the uae
[10:38] <JP_> i used Universal USB Installer to install the iso on the stick
[10:38] <JP_> ha ha ha ha o ok sorry
[10:38] <Kilos> hehe
[10:39] <Kilos> i use unetbootin and never have probs but dunno if windows can do unetbootin
[10:39] <Kilos> Maaz, google unetbootin for windows
[10:39] <Maaz> Kilos: "UNetbootin - Homepage and Downloads" http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ :: "UNetbootin | SourceForge.net" http://sourceforge.net/projects/unetbootin/ :: "Download UNetbootin from SourceForge.net" http://sourceforge.net/projects/unetbootin/files/latest/download :: "UNetbootin" http://unetbootin.net/ :: "How to use UnetBootin to create a bootable USB for
[10:39] <Maaz> Windows 7 ..." http://www.linuxandlife.com/2012/12/unetbootin-create-bootable-usb-windows-7.h…
[10:41] <Kilos> we need to see the network icon
[10:41] <Kilos> then we can set it for dhcp or whatever
[10:41] <Kilos> http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[10:41] <Kilos> try making a stick with the above link next time
[10:42] <JP_> ok downloading now
[10:42] <Kilos> im not clued on routers but my scrappy one had to be reset if i remember right
[10:45] <JP_> ok do i choose 14.04 live or hdmedia or netinstall
[10:46] <Kilos> do you have the iso there
[10:47] <JP_> yea i do
[10:47] <JP_> ok is see now
[10:48] <Kilos> ok on ubuntu i open unetbootin then tick choose and point it to where the iso is\\
[10:50] <JP_> ok cool 
[11:02] <JP_> i used the programme to install the iso on the flash ,started ubuntu on try it and now when i unplug the network cable and try to connect on wireless it gives me this
[11:03] <JP_> (1)creating object for path'/org/freedesktop/networkmanager/activeconnection/2'failed in libnm-glib.
[11:04] <Kilos> ok do you see the network manager icon up top
[11:07] <JP_> there is a wi-fi simbol and if i click on it it give me edit connections and vpn  and a few more stuff
[11:08] <Kilos> ok look at the wifi stuff, maybe some settings in there one uses
[11:09] <Kilos> and on vpn you should be able to choose all the settings such as lan wan and mobile
[11:09] <Kilos> im not the right guy to be helping, but there is no one else available right now
[11:10] <Kilos> im a born beginner
[11:10] <JP_> ha ha ha ha ha ha its cool ,any help is better as no help
[11:12] <Kilos> lol thats why i try
[11:12] <Kilos> but seeing the nm icon is good for now
[11:13] <Kilos> you can even connect the eth cable and set that up as well for dhcp
[11:13] <Kilos> somewhere something must connext
[11:13] <Kilos> connect as well
[11:33] <charl> ok back
[11:33] <charl> did you guys get it sorted?
[11:33] <Kilos> charl i think we running live now
[11:34] <Kilos> he is looking in the nm
[11:34] <charl> ah ok
[11:34] <charl> yeah if 8.8.8.8 is unreachable then you have bigger problems
[11:34] <charl> sounds like a firewall
[11:35] <Kilos> ah maybe the windows firewall
[11:35] <Kilos> or router
[11:35] <Kilos> i dont know enough
[11:36] <Kilos> i tried to get him to see if he can connect using live stick
[11:37] <Kilos> it sees wifi there but i have no idea what it must do
[11:40] <Kilos> oh i think we on another lappy as well so maybe the one you were looking at is still going
[12:35] <nlsthzn> I was pinged 
[12:35] <nlsthzn> :p
[12:44] <charl> hi nlsthzn 
[12:44] <nlsthzn> hey charl , how are you>?
[12:54] <charl> good good, you?
[12:56] <nlsthzn> also good thanks :)
[13:01] <Kilos> sorry nlsthzn were you sleepin
[13:02] <Kilos> wp ThatGraemeGuy 
[13:02] <Kilos> wb too
[13:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> lo
[13:11] <nlsthzn> no uncle Kilos ... had to drive friends to the airport in Dubai and back >.<
[13:14] <Kilos> ah
[13:57] <Kilos> ai! 
[13:59] <nlsthzn> ?
[14:00] <Kilos> the pro and co gone
[14:00] <Kilos> there is a guy jp nlsthzn that needs help getting ubuntu to go online through a router
[14:01] <Kilos> he just here early it seems
[14:01] <Kilos> charl was helping too 
[14:02] <Kilos> tomorrow ill tell him to try come on from home. 
[14:02] <nlsthzn> typically you plug it and you are good to go?!
[14:02] <nlsthzn> if the router still needs setting up you can do it from your browser of your PC typically
[14:02] <Kilos> thats the part i dont get
[14:02] <nlsthzn> just need to default IP address and username and password
[14:03] <Kilos> he has 2 lappies that work with windows
[14:03] <nlsthzn> of the router is set to 168.0.1.0 you need to ensure that your IP is also 168.0.1.x (or more typically it would be 168.0.0.1 on the router and you use 168.0.0.x)
[14:04] <Kilos> and 10 lappies he gotta put ubuntu on that can pick up any wireless connection
[14:04] <Kilos> sjoe
[14:04] <nlsthzn> if you set to use dhcp the router will assign in the right range automgically
[14:04] <Kilos> oh ya in range
[14:04] <Kilos> he said he was using dhcp
[14:05] <nlsthzn> if the wifi card is support then it will work to pick up wifi
[14:05] <Kilos> dont tell me all this now
[14:05] <nlsthzn> well we need to know the router make and model etc...
[14:05] <Kilos> tell him tomorrow
[14:05] <nlsthzn> :)
[14:05] <nlsthzn> if it is a technical problem I am a bit useless :p
[14:05] <Kilos> ill forget by supper time already
[14:05] <Kilos> but i think it is that range thing
[14:06] <nlsthzn> well I will be on and off tomorrow I am sure so just ping
[14:06] <Kilos> ip addies out of range
[14:06] <Kilos> ty neelsie
[14:10] <nlsthzn> well if anything I said helps that would be awesome and my pleasure :p
[14:11] <Kilos> i remember i battled to even see my modem with the browser on 12.04
[14:12] <Kilos> after ip change it worked
[14:12] <Kilos> but was a pain to set the ip
[14:17] <nlsthzn> should be easy but I have not done so either in linux afaik
[14:19] <Kilos> was easy in 10.10 but i battled in 14.04
[14:20] <Kilos> think i ended up using cli to get it done
[14:24] <nlsthzn> well there should be an answer online or with one of the experts here :)
[14:25] <Kilos> lol
[14:25] <JP_> i am back
[14:26] <JP_> and back with good news
[14:26]  * nlsthzn suspects the router problem is sorted :)
[14:27] <JP_> yea did it the simple way
[14:28] <Kilos> tell us JP_ 
[14:28]  * Kilos needs to learn the simple way
[14:31] <JP_> made a super long network cable ,that i pluged in to the router ,was on line ,did a quick update throw term and installed updates and restarted and after that wireless and normal wired network picked up
[14:32] <JP_> ubuntu must make a boot flash update ,would help a lot
[14:33] <Kilos> you can update your iso
[14:33] <Kilos> then use updated iso for the flash
[14:34] <JP_> but its working now so thanks to every one how helped
[14:34] <JP_> ha ha ha ha ha we should of done that first
[14:39] <nlsthzn> :) all is well that ends well
[14:42] <JP_> thanks every body ,u guys are a great help
[14:54] <Kilos>  sjoe
[14:54] <Kilos> * Disconnected (Connection timed out)
[15:05] <Kilos> zsync -i ubuntu.iso http://ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/ubuntu-release/trusty/ubuntu-14.04-desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[15:05] <Kilos> or zsync -i ubuntu.iso http://ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/ubuntu-release/trusty/ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync
[15:05]  * Kilos thinks thats right
[16:05] <theblazehen> http://imgur.com/r0NuBMQ ADSL sucking...
[16:16] <bushtech> theblazehen,  that really sucks
[16:17]  * bushtech makes mental not too complain about 3g too much
[16:18] <theblazehen> Haha
[16:19] <Kilos> haha
[16:21] <bushtech> for Kilos & me it's btdt
[16:22] <theblazehen> Btdt?
[16:24] <bushtech> been there, done ..
[16:24] <theblazehen> Ah
[16:42] <Kilos> lol
[17:26] <Kilos> hi Joe_knock sup?
[17:28] <Kilos> nlsthzn, sorry to worry you, what am i missing was it his eth cable?
[17:42] <Kilos> Maaz, seen inetpro
[17:42] <Maaz> Kilos: inetpro was last seen 9 hours, 52 minutes and 37 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-10-30 00:50:02 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2014-10-30 06:55:02 PDT
[17:44] <Kilos> Maaz, find him
[17:44] <Maaz> Sorry Kilos He has broken something and is now hiding away in fear of being reprimanded
[17:44] <Kilos> ai!
[17:49] <Joe_knock> Hey Kilos . Gaanit oom?
[17:50] <Kilos> goed dankie en self Joe_knock 
[18:01] <Kilos> ooo ya
[18:01] <Joe_knock> im good oom. long time
[18:01] <Kilos> wb inetpro 
[18:02] <Kilos> ya you missed our meeting tuesday night
[18:02] <Joe_knock> meeting? Here?
[18:02] <inetpro> ehlo world 
[18:02] <inetpro> ty Kilos 
[18:02] <Kilos> ya every 4th tuesday 
[18:02] <Joe_knock> summary of the meeting?
[18:02] <Kilos> fixed inetpro ??
[18:02] <inetpro> what did I miss Kilos? 
[18:03] <Kilos> not much inetpro 
[18:03] <inetpro> yep, damn power again... gonna give me a heart attack 
[18:04] <inetpro> at least giving us many chances to test stability 
[18:05] <Kilos> sorry power died for a bit
[18:05] <Joe_knock> inetpro: time for solar/hydro
[18:06] <Kilos> i dont know where to find the mins
[18:06] <Kilos> Maaz, meeting minutes
[18:06] <Maaz> http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-05-21-17-44-22.txt
[18:06] <Kilos> there Joe_knock 
[18:07] <Joe_knock> Convened at 2012-05-21 17:44:22.266443 by nuvolari
[18:07] <nlsthzn> Kilos, he used ethernet to connect to the net, update ubuntu then the wifi was working
[18:07] <Kilos> we up for re-evaluation as an official loco Joe_knock 
[18:07] <Kilos> so his short eth cable was faulty
[18:07] <Joe_knock> I think those are outdated minutes, oom Kerbero 
[18:07] <Kilos> ty nlsthzn 
[18:08] <Kilos> oi
[18:09] <nlsthzn> maaz sukkel so bietjie
[18:09] <Maaz> nlsthzn: *blink*
[18:09] <Kilos> so where do we see last meeting minutes
[18:09] <Kilos> oiu oi oi
[18:09] <Joe_knock> Here we go: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-10-28-18-31-48.html
[18:10] <Kilos> well done
[18:10] <Kilos> Maaz, forget meeting minutes
[18:10] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[18:10] <Joe_knock> They all hiding here now: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/
[18:10] <Kilos> Maaz, meeting minutes are <reply> http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/
[18:10] <Maaz> Kilos: Got it
[18:10] <Joe_knock> Maaz: Leeroy Jenkins
[18:10] <Maaz> Joe_knock: Excuse me?
[18:11] <Kilos> haha no man Joe_knock 
[18:11] <Kilos> no meeting tonight
[18:11] <Kilos> was on the 28th
[18:11] <Joe_knock> Is leeroy jenkins a command? :O
[18:11] <Kilos> now we sorting application for re-evaluation thing
[18:12] <Kilos> where did you get  leeroy jenkins
[18:15] <Joe_knock> internet meme
[18:15] <Joe_knock> what does LoCo mean?
[18:15] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:15] <Kilos> local community
[18:17] <Kilos> we are the za ubuntu community
[18:17] <Joe_knock> Do you need approval from ubuntu to exist?
[18:17] <Kilos> every 2 years they review
[18:18] <Kilos> based on activity
[18:18] <Kilos> and support
[18:19] <Joe_knock> interesting. How can the review fail?
[18:19] <Kilos> only locos get free dvds of new releases
[18:20] <Kilos> we been very slack last 2 years everyone is too busy
[18:22] <Joe_knock> I could help spice things up by organizing more events, but South Africans dont like meetups :-/
[18:23] <Kilos> where are you?
[18:23] <Kilos> people dont have time anymore
[18:24] <Joe_knock> I guess nobody wants to waste time on a saturday playing with linux
[18:24] <Kilos> haha they go shopping saterdays so they can eat the next week
[18:25] <Kilos> hi magespawn wb
[18:25] <magespawn> hello Kilos 
[18:25] <magespawn> thanks, been a long day
[18:25] <Kilos> did you sort that hacked site
[18:26] <magespawn> yes i did, but took the Dorothy option
[18:26] <Kilos> whats that?
[18:26] <Joe_knock> yeah, I dont know what's up with waking up at 8am on a saturday to shop :-/
[18:26] <Kilos> but however well done
[18:27] <Kilos> hehe
[18:28] <magespawn> i did not actually find what they had done, i just restored the site from a back, and changed all the passwords
[18:28] <Kilos> Joe_knock, you still young hey?
[18:28] <Kilos> that works too magespawn 
[18:30] <magespawn> it does, but it means that it is possible that they will be able to get in again
[18:30] <Kilos> magespawn, if you the admin guy there then you can control it 
[18:30] <Joe_knock> yep oom. I'm still a "laaitie"
[18:30] <Kilos> haha wait till you got kids
[18:31] <magespawn> yes Kilos, i can, just a hassle 
[18:31] <Joe_knock> magespawn: did you go through access logs? maybe they did a brute force on SSH
[18:31] <Kilos> then youll see how hard it is to find time
[18:31] <magespawn> Joe_knock, good idea, i will have a look
[18:31] <Joe_knock> eish oom. Life is too short for that kinda stress :-/
[18:32] <Kilos> lol
[18:32] <Joe_knock> magespawn: What was the outcome of the attack? You could reverse-think their attack from the outcome
[18:33] <magespawn> the first time the defaced the site, put up their own stuff
[18:34] <magespawn> second time they were running an irc bot and some other software, and the last time they redirected it to another site that was a phishing paypal site
[18:34] <Joe_knock> is this a CMS?
[18:34] <Joe_knock> or rather, are you running on CPanel?
[18:35] <magespawn> Joomla and cpanel, on a vps with multiple sites
[18:35] <magespawn> http://ansainmobiliaria.com/wp/wp-content/plugins/Paypal-Account/ this is the address that they redirected to
[18:36] <superfly> a WordPress site
[18:36] <superfly> typical
[18:36] <Joe_knock> I'm thinking they compromised CPanel
[18:36] <superfly> more likely they compromised Joomla
[18:37] <Joe_knock> Based on this: "they were running an irc bot and some other software"
[18:37] <superfly> you can run an IRC bot on shared hosting
[18:37] <magespawn> Joe_knock, that is what i thought too, but either way i have changed all passwords etc
[18:37] <magespawn> it was in the public_html folder
[18:38] <Joe_knock> magespawn: From my days playing with Joomla, I remember learning that for all the admin URLs, those should be "special". Like site.co.za/admin124124934812
[18:38] <magespawn> to be honest the original password were rather week, not mine 
[18:39] <Joe_knock> You said they defaced/hacked the site 2/3 times? magespawn 
[18:40] <magespawn> yes, but i think the second two were because if an incomplete clean up on my part
[18:40] <magespawn> i still have a lot to learn in this area
[18:41] <Joe_knock> Are you running things on your own? magespawn 
[18:41] <magespawn> yup totally, except for the guys here
[18:42] <magespawn> and believe me when i tell you nobody here has even the remotest idea 
[18:42] <Joe_knock> "<charl> question is... what can be done about translations and customising ubuntu for south africa" - Why not do a Zulu and Afrikaans translation?
[18:43] <Joe_knock> You guys should consider hiring a junior sysadmin, magespawn 
[18:43] <magespawn> Joe_knock, that would probably be me, i would only rank myself at junior to maybe mid level intermediate
[18:44] <Joe_knock> magespawn: Did they allow you to get certified? 
[18:45] <magespawn> Allow? i pay for it myself and study on my own time, they allow me the exam days
[18:46] <Joe_knock> magespawn: I would think a company would be decent enough to pay for your certification of LPIC 1 and 2 at least. 
[18:47] <Joe_knock> Some companies are still paying to get their workers MS Office certified :-/
[18:47] <magespawn> well not this one, although i technically work as a consultant
[18:48] <magespawn> you need to ms office certified? wow
[18:48] <Kilos> wb  apie
[18:49] <Apie> Ta Kilos 
[18:49] <magespawn> i thought you could just use google for that
[18:49] <Apie> sjoe been a busy day
[18:49] <magespawn> o/ Apie 
[18:49] <Apie> Hi magespawn :)
[18:51] <Joe_knock> I'm reading through this meeting about re-evaluation. I kinda don't think our linux community needs to be tied to any distro. We're too small to be picky. Everyone should be welcome, even CentOS people
[18:51] <Apie> Kilos: lucky me had enough data to get 14.10 too. This time I made sure!
[18:51] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:52] <Kilos> Joe_knock, we have redhat peeps here
[18:53] <Apie> Joe_knock: its not tied down. I myself am using other distros for 4 years now (Lucid Lynx was the last Ubuntu I used)
[18:53] <Kilos> and lots of guys use other distros and help for all linux gets done here
[18:53] <Apie> so this download is a first in a while :)
[18:54] <Joe_knock> I was considering making a big proposal at Open Source day, but I didn't bother, cause what seems to be slight interest doesn't materialize too much, otherwise we could become formerly recognized in SA and push open source as an alternative in schools/gov
[18:54] <Joe_knock> *materialize to much
[18:54] <Apie> But I hear what you say Joe_knock: do we reap the benefits?
[18:55] <Joe_knock> Apie: We as in South Africans? Or we as in ... ?
[18:55] <Apie> We as in UbuntuZA
[18:55] <Joe_knock> Apie: My proposal would be to avoid going as "UbuntuZA" and recognizing ourselves as a ZA foundation for Open Source.
[18:56] <Joe_knock> I dont think we have 1
[18:56] <Apie> Well before Ubuntu there was always LUGs,
[18:57] <Joe_knock> How big are the LUGs?
[18:57] <superfly> mostly dead
[18:57] <Joe_knock> activity-wise? What about member numbers?
[18:57] <Apie> do you mean a non-profit foundation, or like a FOSS supporter group
[18:58] <Apie> Yup. Min activity :(
[18:59] <Joe_knock> I was thinking of an umbrella open source NPO. We'll always disagree among members, but the membership could stretch far and wide. From Python and Haskell coders, to Arch users.
[18:59] <Apie> Joe_knock: my best guess is we lack coordination. At least I do. 
[19:00] <Apie> Interesting thought....
[19:00] <Joe_knock> We could make it a pay-if-you-can membership, where we can use the cash for admin and NPO work. 
[19:00] <Apie> like the FSF?
[19:02] <Joe_knock> I can't clearly specify what we'll do. We can mandate it from what members want us to do. But yeah, we can actually spread open source uniformly. From schools considering Ubuntu to maybe even things like Joomla, etc. 
[19:03] <Joe_knock> and as far as I know, we're looking at at least 10,000 members who can join.
[19:03] <magespawn> i have tried to get my sons school on open source, did not go down so well
[19:04] <Apie> Joe_knock: you should meet William. He has similar ideas. He's not on irc though, only the mailing list. 
[19:05] <superfly> Joe_knock: this is a tired topic. it happens over and over again. people can't do this indefinitely. there are few people willing and able to put in the effort
[19:06] <superfly> Joe_knock: I would love to see some activity in the FOSS space in RSA, but the reality is that there is no one to keep things going. I cannot. I have my own open source project, and 3 kids. I don't have time
[19:07] <magespawn> this is the general problem, we have many willing and able people, but they are usually very busy elsewhere
[19:09] <magespawn> superfly is there a reason to using a cms when a simple html site will do?
[19:09] <superfly> magespawn: totally depends
[19:10] <magespawn> well most of the hotels site are fairly static, only a few of the pages change, and even then not regularly or on demand
[19:10] <Joe_knock> I think another problem is that nobody in SA would be keen to sponsor the admins salary so that there is at least 1 or 2 people working on it full-time. Mozilla runs about 50-100 staffers on yearly donations
[19:11] <Joe_knock> magespawn: The basic info stays the same. But what about online bookings, etc. ?
[19:11] <superfly> I have yet to find an SA hotel that does online bookings the right way
[19:11] <superfly> they all suck
[19:11] <magespawn> there are none, the owner does not want them
[19:11] <magespawn> not even an availability check
[19:12] <Joe_knock> magespawn: Maybe there is no incentive to it. How many SA folks book online in any case. 
[19:12] <magespawn> and beside the hotel management software that we use can take care of all of that
[19:12] <Joe_knock> Trends are changing things though. We have a lot of instagram users
[19:12] <magespawn> Joe_knock, i think a fair amount and it is increasing
[19:13] <Joe_knock> magespawn: Did you know SA has 1 million paypal accounts?
[19:13] <magespawn> nope, seems like a fair amount, avoid the exchange restrictions
[19:14] <Joe_knock> superfly: Have people had the same "open source foundation" rant as mine?
[19:15] <Apie> We call it Free Software. Open Source is something else
[19:15] <superfly> Joe_knock: I've heard it so many times... I'm tired of it now
[19:16] <superfly> Apie: I call it Open Source because plebians think Free Software is freeware.
[19:16] <superfly> Have fun convincing them otherwise ;-)
[19:16] <Apie> (and I bet superfly is also tired of the oss vs foss one too ;)
[19:16] <magespawn> it would be really nice though it somebody could get it to work Joe_knock 
[19:16] <superfly> Apie: you've got it wrong, it's FLOSS
[19:17] <superfly> if you're gonna be an Apie, get it right :-P
[19:17] <Apie> *FLOSS. Thank you. 
[19:17] <magespawn> i thought they were three different but related things
[19:17] <magespawn> Free Libre Open Source Software
[19:17] <magespawn> ?
[19:18] <Joe_knock> I'm willing to put the leg work in. I will write up some type of manifesto, but I bet we'll only see 100 members when at least 5000 is the goal
[19:18] <superfly> their differences are so minute that most people can't tell you what they are
[19:18] <magespawn> thats true superfly
[19:18] <superfly> Joe_knock: if you see 20 members, I'll be surprised.
[19:18] <Joe_knock> will this be without a membership fee?
[19:18] <Joe_knock> superfly: ^
[19:19] <superfly> yes
[19:19] <magespawn> eggs benedict, or scrambled eggs with sauce
[19:19] <Joe_knock> even though so many folks are earning a decent salary from OSS
[19:20] <Joe_knock> okay I'll give up then. :-/
[19:20] <superfly> Joe_knock: if you put a fee up, expect less.
[19:21] <Joe_knock> Okay, so this room is dead. You guys say the LUG mailing lists are dead. What about anywhere else?
[19:21] <superfly> Joe_knock: I'll be honest, I have no money, and I have no time. I can be a name on a membership list if you wish to boost your numbers, but I cannot participate beyond looking in and giving my 2c when I have 5 minutes to spare.
[19:21] <Apie> magespawn: simply put, open source is a development methodology. Free software is a social movement. 
[19:21] <magespawn> Joe_knock, it can be done but it will take a LOT of work
[19:21] <Apie> For the long version, see https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html :)
[19:22] <Joe_knock> superfly: I was thinking a membership fee of R50 a year. Basically, enough to do all the admin work and cover petrol costs for when we send members to promote open source.
[19:25] <Apie> Joe_knock: where do you know all these people from, these future members, who support the idea for open education? Because I'd love them to come to our Ubuntu irc meetings!
[19:26] <Apie> Even if they use other distros, it does not have to be Ubuntu. 
[19:27] <Apie> You probably know the definition of the word Ubuntu. The name says it all, right?
[19:27] <Joe_knock> Apie: :'D My thinking is based on correlation. We have at least 5000 Java programmers in SA. We have at least 1000 Joomla and 1000 WP +-500 PHP programmers. Then we have at least 1000 Nix users in SA. Then the numbers shrink, but I know about 400 Python programmers, etc.
[19:31] <Apie> Herding programmers is like herding cats. We are naturally averse to beaurocracy :D
[19:33] <Joe_knock> Noted. superfly does make many good points though. We sometimes do get the urge to "just do something" but it becomes a dirty struggle that dies out before even coming alive.
[19:33] <Apie> Joe_knock: have a look at hackersforcharity.org
[19:34] <Apie> not exactly the same but the idea is using skill sets to aid
[19:34] <magespawn> Apie i see the the durban hacker house is coming along nicely
[19:35] <magespawn> bb in a bit just going up to my room
[19:35] <Apie> Joe_knock: if someone can coordinate us I'm sure there are some who will listen :)
[19:37] <Joe_knock> I think I am willing to be the "founding overlord", but I am not self-electing and we will need to have a member vote to chair the organization
[19:43] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight. tomorrow is another day
[19:44] <Joe_knock> bye oom
[19:45] <Kilos> dont miss the next meet Joe_knock and pop in more often
[19:45] <Kilos> your idea sounds good just finding members is gonna be difficult
[19:46] <Kilos> we even battle to find new members here
[19:46] <Kilos> peeps only come when the need help
[19:46] <Kilos> s/the/they
[19:47] <Kilos> wb magespawn night now
[19:51] <magespawn> he goes so quickly you can almost here the whoosh anyway
[19:57] <charl> lots of activity here now after long time of deadness, very good to see
[19:57] <charl> channel got brought back to life :)
[19:57] <magespawn> indeed it happens as people free up time
[20:04] <Joe_knock> could be pending december?
[20:07] <charl> ah
[20:11] <Apie> I'd like to see the hackerspace magespawn, it is good to see it active!
[20:12] <magespawn> i would like to use it, that would be cool
[20:14] <Joe_knock> I'm glad durbanites are hacking. You guys have the warmest part of the ocean, maybe catch fish or surf instead of hacking :P
[20:29] <magespawn> i am off to bed, good night all
[21:14] <inetpro> hmm 
[21:15] <inetpro> I turn me back and when I come back I see interesting debates 
[21:27] <charl> good evening inetpro 
[21:27] <charl> i just saw and thought tl;dr