| jjfrv8 | apologies to slickymaster for my not being around earlier to comment on his glossary suggestion | 00:25 | 
|---|---|---|
| jjfrv8 | I think the glossary idea is a bit more than I was originally considering | 00:25 | 
| jjfrv8 | my main concern was pretty much limited to the potential for Settings Manager confusion caused by there being two ways to get to it and three names for it | 00:25 | 
| jjfrv8 | would it be out of the question to just remove the icon from the bottom of the whisker menu? | 00:25 | 
| jjfrv8 | I think that would just about take care of both problems | 00:25 | 
| jjfrv8 | bbl, but not for the meeting, unfortunately | 01:03 | 
| sml | algun lugar de ayuda en espaƱol? | 01:38 | 
| Unit193 | New xfpm upload fixes Debian #763713 with upstream commit. | 01:39 | 
| ubottu | Debian bug 763713 in xfce4-power-manager "xfce4-power-manager-settings: minimum window size is too big" [Normal,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/763713 | 01:39 | 
| Unit193 | sml: Generally English. | 01:39 | 
| sml | thanks | 01:40 | 
| Logan_ | Unit193: aw, I could've helped him | 03:33 | 
| * Unit193 has been rather out today. | 04:50 | |
| === ObrienDave is now known as andbot | ||
| === andbot is now known as ObrienDave | ||
| Noskcaj | Unit193, bluesabre: I've merged thunar in a bzr if you guys haven't already. I was using it as an example to teach a person trying to join ubuntu as a developer, so if we could wait a few days to see if he can merge it, that would be great | 05:46 | 
| bluesabre | Noskcaj: np, let me know when its ready to upload/sponsor | 09:52 | 
| ochosi | !team | Reminder: meeting in ~45 mins | 10:13 | 
| ubottu | Reminder: meeting in ~45 mins: bluesabre, elfy, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, skellat, slickymaster, Unit193 | 10:13 | 
| ochosi | morning bluesabre | 10:14 | 
| bluesabre | morning ochosi | 10:14 | 
| ochosi | still busy php-ing? :) | 10:14 | 
| bluesabre | drafting a study guide now | 10:14 | 
| ochosi | for yourself or for others? | 10:15 | 
| bluesabre | me | 10:15 | 
| bluesabre | :) | 10:15 | 
| ochosi | :) | 10:15 | 
| brainwash | can we disable the pink highlight in vivid now? | 10:16 | 
| bluesabre | will do this weekend | 10:17 | 
| bluesabre | the code is already in xubuntu-default-settings trunk, so if you have the xubuntu-staging ppa installed in vivid, it should be gone | 10:17 | 
| brainwash | ok, that's nice | 10:17 | 
| brainwash | any thoughts on http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/commit/?id=7e8e8669606e662d1ee1e85815000f068f48acd9 ? | 10:18 | 
| ochosi | haven't tried it yet, but it sounds like something that i'll activate in greybird once we have it | 10:19 | 
| slickymasterWork | I can confirm that brainwash | 10:19 | 
| brainwash | great, hopefully it's not a cpu hog | 10:20 | 
| slickymasterWork | and morning everyone | 10:20 | 
| brainwash | slickymasterWork: hi | 10:20 | 
| brainwash | confirm what? | 10:20 | 
| slickymasterWork | what bluesabre stated | 10:20 | 
| brainwash | ok :D | 10:20 | 
| ochosi | slickymasterWork: well, it'll only hog the cpu once when loading xfdesktop | 10:21 | 
| ochosi | but yeah, it's something to monitor | 10:21 | 
| slickymasterWork | yeaps | 10:22 | 
| slickymasterWork | but as it's a testing box it's not a big deal ochosi | 10:22 | 
| slickymasterWork | it's meant for destruction, one way or the pther :P | 10:23 | 
| slickymasterWork | s/pther/other | 10:23 | 
| * slickymasterWork is not sure if he'll be able to really follow the meeting properly because of the constant annoying TTLs | 10:39 | |
| slickymasterWork | jjfrv8, not sure if I understood you correctly. Do you mean remove the Settings icon from whisker itself? | 10:41 | 
| slickymasterWork | knome ^^ (http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/10/31/%23xubuntu-devel.html#t00:25) | 10:41 | 
| dkessel | elfy: I hope you don't mind - I extended the QA pad with an item for discussion of priorities for autopilot tests. If the topic comes up in today's meeting, that would be nice. | 10:48 | 
| knome | dkessel, just bring it up after any other items under "discussion", or you can just simply add it to the agenda at it will be brought up | 10:58 | 
| ochosi | !team | meeting time everyone! | 10:59 | 
| ubottu | meeting time everyone!: bluesabre, elfy, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, skellat, slickymaster, Unit193 | 10:59 | 
| bluesabre | o/ here~ish | 10:59 | 
| ochosi | yeah, that would've been my next question | 10:59 | 
| knome | i'm -ish too, but will be at least loosely following :) | 10:59 | 
| ochosi | who's around? | 10:59 | 
| ochosi | right | 10:59 | 
| knome | and can comment, but not always swiftly ;) | 11:00 | 
| slickymasterWork | trying to keep myself here | 11:00 | 
| ochosi | just in case nobody apart from me is *really* around, i guess i'd postpone the meeting to wednesday or something | 11:00 | 
| knome | huhu :P | 11:00 | 
| ochosi | otherwise i'd just be talking to myself with a few folks lurking and occasionally commenting and that'd be weird :) | 11:00 | 
| bluesabre | that's how meetings are every now and then :) | 11:01 | 
| ochosi | alright then, so let's do this and we'll see how far we get | 11:01 | 
| ochosi | #startmeeting | 11:01 | 
| meetingology | Meeting started Fri Oct 31 11:01:51 2014 UTC. The chair is ochosi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 11:01 | 
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 11:01 | 
| knome | well, we can also do a "loose agenda" meeting | 11:02 | 
| knome | where people can bring up stuff they want to discuss | 11:02 | 
| ochosi | #topic Open action items | 11:02 | 
| ochosi | hm sure | 11:02 | 
| knome | and then we'll #endmeeting at noon | 11:02 | 
| knome | i guess there aren't too many team updates | 11:02 | 
| ochosi | knome: how about your action items? | 11:02 | 
| knome | let me see what there was | 11:02 | 
| slickymasterWork | at OK Corral knome? ;) | 11:03 | 
| knome | no formal proposal yet | 11:03 | 
| knome | #action knome to write a more formalized proposal about the QA process improvements with elfy after N days of comments/feedback for the pad | 11:03 | 
| meetingology | ACTION: knome to write a more formalized proposal about the QA process improvements with elfy after N days of comments/feedback for the pad | 11:03 | 
| ochosi | does anybody know about whether pleia2 contacted unixstickers? | 11:03 | 
| ochosi | otherwise i'd carry that forward too | 11:03 | 
| knome | the "translations important for xubuntu" list is now at the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes#Package_translations | 11:04 | 
| knome | she did | 11:04 | 
| knome | let me see if i can dig that up | 11:04 | 
| knome | it was #done in the previous meeting already | 11:04 | 
| ochosi | #done elfy mail the -devel list to garner comment on pad https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-October/010448.html | 11:05 | 
| knome | for the record: | 11:05 | 
| knome | 23:07 pleia2: #DONE pleia2 to contact unixstickers | 11:05 | 
| knome | 23:24 pleia2: #info unixstickers has sold plenty of Xubuntu items, so we just need to let them know what we want for the reward based QA program | 11:05 | 
| knome | 23:24 pleia2: #info unixstickers will also be producing t-shirts soon, production info here: | 11:05 | 
| knome | http://www.unixstickers.com/tshirts/underground-t-shirts/the-ultimate-pirate-bay-tshirt | 11:05 | 
| ochosi | ah good | 11:05 | 
| slickymasterWork | #action slickymaster to start a series of run calls for "translations important for xubuntu" list defined in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes#Package_translations | 11:06 | 
| meetingology | ACTION: slickymaster to start a series of run calls for "translations important for xubuntu" list defined in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes#Package_translations | 11:06 | 
| ochosi | nice | 11:06 | 
| ochosi | anything else you think we should carry forward? | 11:07 | 
| ochosi | to me it seems like the rest is probably #done one way or the other | 11:07 | 
| knome | yep | 11:09 | 
| ochosi | #topic Team updates | 11:09 | 
| knome | oh | 11:09 | 
| ochosi | ok, if you got anything, #info it now | 11:09 | 
| knome | #action Elfy to mail -devel re where we support testers | 11:09 | 
| meetingology | ACTION: Elfy to mail -devel re where we support testers | 11:09 | 
| ochosi | i'd rather move on to discussion after this and leave things open | 11:09 | 
| knome | ^ that | 11:09 | 
| ochosi | oh | 11:09 | 
| ochosi | #undo | 11:09 | 
| meetingology | Removing item from minutes: ACTION | 11:09 | 
| ochosi | #undo | 11:09 | 
| meetingology | Removing item from minutes: TOPIC | 11:09 | 
| knome | hah | 11:10 | 
| ochosi | #action Elfy to mail -devel re where we support testers | 11:10 | 
| meetingology | ACTION: Elfy to mail -devel re where we support testers | 11:10 | 
| ochosi | #topic Team updates | 11:10 | 
| ochosi | fixed | 11:10 | 
| bluesabre | #info Vivid branches for each xubuntu package/project are now open | 11:10 | 
| ochosi | nice work bluesabre | 11:10 | 
| knome | #info Vivid series are up on the QA trackers (which are down ATM) | 11:10 | 
| bluesabre | #info Daily builds of xubuntu-artwork, xubuntu-default-settings, and (soon) xubuntu-docs for Vivid are up at https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xubuntu-staging | 11:11 | 
| bluesabre | #info All other daily packages across our PPAs have been updated to build for vivid as well | 11:12 | 
| ochosi | #info Greybird already has basic Gtk3.14 fixes, ping ochosi when you notice bugs | 11:12 | 
| ochosi | #info All other themes will still need fixes for Gtk3.14 | 11:13 | 
| bluesabre | #info upower 0.99.x landed yesterday, our packages have been rebuilt to support it... watch for breakage! | 11:13 | 
| qwebirc11992 | grrr | 11:13 | 
| bluesabre | landed, or is landing... couldn't keep up with lp notifications :) | 11:14 | 
| bluesabre | I think that's all I have currently | 11:14 | 
| ochosi | yeah, pitti spammed all our inboxes :) | 11:14 | 
| ochosi | qwebirc11992: any team updates from your side? | 11:14 | 
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| slickymasterWork | the re-write of the section about upgrading is done and already merged to the main branch | 11:16 | 
| ochosi | could you #info that properly plz? | 11:17 | 
| slickymasterWork | thanks for the excellent work elfy done | 11:17 | 
| slickymasterWork | #info the re-write of the section about upgrading is done and already merged to the main branch | 11:17 | 
| ochosi | thanks | 11:18 | 
| ochosi | ok, let's just open the floor for everyone... | 11:18 | 
| ochosi | #topic Discussion | 11:19 | 
| ochosi | would be nice to get some feedback on the blueprint sprint | 11:19 | 
| ochosi | i mean: on the result of the blueprint sprint, which is the workitems | 11:19 | 
| bluesabre | Nice. work. everyone. | 11:19 | 
| knome | it's a good start ;) | 11:19 | 
| ochosi | if you feel that we've covered our basis well, or something is still missing/overlooked | 11:19 | 
| knome | i mean, i'm happy to see that there are many work items registered | 11:19 | 
| ochosi | or something that needs review | 11:19 | 
| knome | that gives us a more realistic view on how much work there is to be done | 11:20 | 
| ochosi | indeed | 11:20 | 
| knome | even if we most likely will need to change some wording and add even more smaller blueprints | 11:20 | 
| bluesabre | the dev blueprint is in good shape, and I'm glad to see others contributing to it | 11:20 | 
| dkessel | I would like to have some feedback on this QA item: http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-qa-v-autopilot | 11:20 | 
| dkessel | there is this old utopic specification with a large list of applications on the wiki - I think it would be better to have priorities | 11:21 | 
| dkessel | like, which applications should get tests first. As I don't believe we will get autopilot tests for 30 apps done this cycle ;) | 11:22 | 
| ochosi | hm, that is a difficult one | 11:24 | 
| knome | i guess it's obvious, but i'd start with those which work with autopilot ;) | 11:24 | 
| bluesabre | I think it would be a good effort for sure... haven't looked into it myself, but I'd be curious to know to what extent we are testing with autopilot | 11:24 | 
| ochosi | i remember knome was considering to write a proposal to drop abiword and gnumeric | 11:24 | 
| knome | yeah... i wouldn't start with those anyway | 11:24 | 
| knome | (even if we kept them) | 11:25 | 
| knome | catfish parole settings manager run program app finder mousepad screenshot xfburn ristretto task manager | 11:25 | 
| bluesabre | start with simpler apps and build a core test suite | 11:25 | 
| knome | those are something i think might be good places to start | 11:26 | 
| knome | and yeah, in the order bluesabre mentioned, easier first | 11:26 | 
| * ochosi agrees | 11:26 | |
| knome | run program should be relatively easy | 11:26 | 
| bluesabre | agreed... xfburn might be more difficult to create a meaningful test | 11:26 | 
| dkessel | in that order? (see pad) | 11:27 | 
| knome | i looked through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Utopic/Autopilot and thought which of the "works" items would be somewhat "essential" or "important" to xubuntu | 11:27 | 
| knome | maybe that | 11:28 | 
| knome | grouped things being "equally important" | 11:28 | 
| knome | or, "pick whichever you please" | 11:28 | 
| dkessel | sounds good for a start! | 11:29 | 
| dkessel | thanks! | 11:29 | 
| knome | but that's just my opinion :) | 11:29 | 
| dkessel | what do the others think? | 11:29 | 
| bluesabre | I agreed already ;) | 11:29 | 
| * ochosi too | 11:29 | |
| knome | did you look at the pad? | 11:29 | 
| knome | i did some subordering on the items i mentioned before | 11:30 | 
| ochosi | hm, actually, app-finder == run program | 11:30 | 
| * slickymasterWork lost the arguments but as a matter of principle, agrees with his fellow team members | 11:30 | |
| ochosi | and functionally == whiskermenu | 11:30 | 
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| ochosi | so i'm somewhat wondering whether we really need to test it that much, as it isn't as important anymore as it used to be | 11:31 | 
| knome | i'd bet people migrating from other systems *cough* windows *cough* still use it a lot | 11:31 | 
| ochosi | hm, not sure, i mean whiskermenu does pretty much all that appfinder does too | 11:32 | 
| knome | well run a poll for users | 11:32 | 
| ochosi | my guess would be that catfish is actually more important | 11:32 | 
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| ochosi | but either way, we don't have to do a poll to prove or disprove anything | 11:32 | 
| dkessel | I guess that's all I need for now | 11:36 | 
| ochosi | dkessel: great! | 11:41 | 
| ochosi | looking forward to the tests | 11:41 | 
| bluesabre | so, we're considering swapping evince to evince-gtk... there doesn't seem to be a functional difference, and it reduces gnome dependencies | 11:43 | 
| knome | any downsides? | 11:43 | 
| ochosi | yeah, i tried -gtk and it looked/behaved the same | 11:43 | 
| bluesabre | none discovered so far... I'm thinking it might be a good idea to go ahead and switch now since we're so early in the cycle | 11:43 | 
| ochosi | +1 | 11:44 | 
| knome | then a +1 and "go ahead" from me | 11:44 | 
| bluesabre | and we can reevaluate at a later point as needed | 11:44 | 
| bluesabre | got it | 11:44 | 
| slickymasterWork | +1 from also | 11:44 | 
| bluesabre | will do tonight/tomorrow | 11:44 | 
| ochosi | yeah, better switching now and having more time | 11:44 | 
| ochosi | fwiw, i don't have the feeling that people really noticed that XChat is gone | 11:44 | 
| ochosi | the only shitstorm i saw was about the pink highlights | 11:45 | 
| slickymasterWork | yeah, there's no public nagging about it | 11:45 | 
| ochosi | (and even that was not very excessive) | 11:45 | 
| slickymasterWork | about XChat that is | 11:45 | 
| ochosi | yeah | 11:45 | 
| ochosi | did any others of you hear anything? | 11:45 | 
| ochosi | or: read | 11:45 | 
| bluesabre | nope | 11:45 | 
| knome | the next time we plan to drop something, just change the highlight color at the same time and nobody notices | 11:45 | 
| slickymasterWork | nopes | 11:45 | 
| bluesabre | :D | 11:46 | 
| ochosi | :D | 11:47 | 
| ochosi | alrighty | 11:54 | 
| ochosi | since time is pretty much up and there aren't many new topics brought up i'd say we end today's meeting | 11:55 | 
| ochosi | thanks to everyone for participating! | 11:55 | 
| knome | yep | 11:55 | 
| bluesabre | alrighty | 11:55 | 
| bluesabre | ttyl | 11:55 | 
| ochosi | #topic Schedule next meeting | 11:55 | 
| ochosi | #info bluesabre to schedule the next meeting | 11:56 | 
| ochosi | #endmeeting | 11:56 | 
| meetingology | Meeting ended Fri Oct 31 11:56:08 2014 UTC. | 11:56 | 
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-10-31-11.01.moin.txt | 11:56 | 
| slickymasterWork | thanks ochosi | 11:56 | 
| ochosi | minutes will be up in a bit | 11:56 | 
| brainwash | ochosi: is it worth to include the qt theme selection file in xubuntu-default-settings? | 12:09 | 
| brainwash | to fix bug 1382741 | 12:09 | 
| ubottu | bug 1382741 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Some apps are displaying a very old styled theme as oppose to greybird" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1382741 | 12:09 | 
| ochosi | iirc bluesabre already had a patch for that | 12:10 | 
| ochosi | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/revision/533 | 12:10 | 
| brainwash | ah nice | 12:11 | 
| brainwash | branch should be added the report then :) | 12:11 | 
| ochosi | sure, feel free to do that ;) | 12:11 | 
| ochosi | meeting minutes are up | 12:11 | 
| brainwash | bluesabre: the lp number is wrong http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/revision/533 | 12:15 | 
| brainwash | 1373887 is commit 530 | 12:16 | 
| brainwash | bluesabre: you could also add the extra keybinding for screen locking, bug 1033174 | 12:19 | 
| ubottu | bug 1033174 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Improvement in the default keyboard shortcuts (lock screen and shutdown menu)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1033174 | 12:19 | 
| brainwash | "Add <Ctrl><Alt>l shortcut for screen locking (xflock4)" | 12:20 | 
| brainwash | from upstream | 12:20 | 
| brainwash | the launchpad report also requests "CTRL+ALT+DEL for firing the shutdown menu" | 12:21 | 
| brainwash | not sure if we could add this too (xubuntu only) | 12:21 | 
| * slickymasterWork needs a good serach engine to find something in the logs | 12:23 | |
| slickymasterWork | *search | 12:23 | 
| brainwash | bluesabre: I guess not, CTRL+ALT+DEL is triggering xflock4 atm | 12:24 | 
| brainwash | people are used to this binding | 12:24 | 
| bluesabre | slickymasterWork: https://www.google.com/#q=site:irclogs.ubuntu.com | 13:03 | 
| bluesabre | brainwash: thanks, will take a look tonight | 13:04 | 
| elfy | <ochosi> #action Elfy to mail -devel re where we support testers | 13:18 | 
| elfy | ummm | 13:18 | 
| elfy | so perhaps if people in team could actually read things I send to the list - that would be awesome :D | 13:18 | 
| pleia2 | elfy: I read it! | 13:20 | 
| pleia2 | but that meeting confused me, I think we had a duplicate agenda from last meeting :) | 13:20 | 
| elfy | :) | 13:21 | 
| elfy | xchat suddenly appears to have decided to be old school in appearance | 13:25 | 
| jjfrv8 | slickymasterwork, yes, my suggestion was to remove the default All Settings icon from whisker: http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/menu0020.php | 13:48 | 
| jjfrv8 | with just the one way to get to Settings from the menu, all of our references to [icon]-> Settings would be unambiguous | 13:48 | 
| jjfrv8 | now that we have the searchable Settings in the category pane of whisker, I don't see any need to have the extra icon | 13:48 | 
| knome | ochosi, bluesabre: opinions ^ ? | 13:51 | 
| jjfrv8 | gotta go, back later | 13:59 | 
| slickymasterWork | lol, bluesabre, that I already have | 14:04 | 
| slickymasterWork | I was just nagging with myself ;) | 14:05 | 
| slickymasterWork | jjfrv8, right, but that goes way beyond the -docs scope so the project and the technical leads in particular and the team at large will have to have a say on it | 14:07 | 
| slickymasterWork | hmmmm | 15:17 | 
| slickymasterWork | knome, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+pots/ubiquity-slideshow-xubuntu is set yet | 15:17 | 
| slickymasterWork | *isn't | 15:17 | 
| knome | what a shame | 15:17 | 
| knome | ;) | 15:17 | 
| slickymasterWork | just saying it because of the call for translation mail to -devel | 15:18 | 
| knome | i'll set it up in a minute once i have coffee in my mug | 15:18 | 
| slickymasterWork | I'm going to mention it and people will start complaining about an invalid link, for sure | 15:18 | 
| slickymasterWork | ok, I'll fix the link in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes | 15:19 | 
| slickymasterWork | knome ^^^ fixed | 15:21 | 
| knome | actually.. | 15:21 | 
| ochosi | knome, jjfrv8: i don't have a strong opinion on that. i don't think ppl will really miss it there since we have the category. otoh i don't think the "ambiguity" of the docs is a really a big issue in that respect | 15:21 | 
| knome | i think it'll show up when there's the first upload for that package | 15:21 | 
| slickymasterWork | but the url is going to be that one, right? | 15:22 | 
| knome | yes | 15:22 | 
| slickymasterWork | it's not a big issue ochosi, but an issue nevertheless | 15:22 | 
| knome | since we've had the icon already, i think it's better to keep it | 15:23 | 
| knome | and solve the ambiguity docs-internally | 15:23 | 
| * slickymasterWork nods | 15:23 | |
| ochosi | slickymasterWork: btw, shall we take another look at the powerman docs sometime next week? | 15:23 | 
| * ochosi doesnt really remember where we left off | 15:24 | |
| knome | coffee is yummy | 15:24 | 
| slickymasterWork | yes ochosi, I've been postponing that because of work/son | 15:24 | 
| slickymasterWork | but things are calmer these days | 15:24 | 
| * slickymasterWork was wondering when would ochosi poke him about that ;) | 15:25 | |
| ochosi | :) | 15:25 | 
| ochosi | yeah, same here tbh | 15:26 | 
| ochosi | i was also busy and it's not on the top of my priority-list | 15:26 | 
| slickymasterWork | lol, knome, I received that one (in the PM) during today's meeting | 15:26 | 
| knome | yes :| | 15:27 | 
| knome | talk about wasting bandwidth | 15:27 | 
| slickymasterWork | :) | 15:28 | 
| slickymasterWork | knome: about http://pad.ubuntu.com/outdated-debian-screenshots do you know if it's required some form of an account in debian to upload the screenshots? | 16:21 | 
| knome | you should ask bluesabre | 16:22 | 
| slickymasterWork | I'm planning to start working on it this weekend | 16:23 | 
| slickymasterWork | bluesabre ^^ | 16:23 | 
| slickymasterWork | or Unit193 (for that matter) ^^ | 16:24 | 
| knome | anyway, don't let them not answering keep you back... if you take new screenshots, keep them somewhere until they know where to put them :) | 16:28 | 
| slickymasterWork | yeah, that goes without saying | 16:28 | 
| slickymasterWork | knome, thanks for adding that item to the blueprint | 16:48 | 
| knome | np | 16:48 | 
| elfy | evening all | 17:37 | 
| knome | hello elfy | 17:39 | 
| elfy | hi knome | 17:39 | 
| elfy | so then knome ... | 17:39 | 
| knome | yes? :) | 17:39 | 
| elfy | what shall we call N days then :) | 17:39 | 
| elfy | has to be more than 14 or we've done that :S | 17:39 | 
| elfy | D | 17:39 | 
| knome | yeah, it's a random integer from 1 to 30 that changes every day | 17:40 | 
| knome | and the only way to get out of this loop is that the random integer matches the day number we're on.. eg. so the deadline is "today" | 17:40 | 
| elfy | if we postpone that till after the 6th I've got a week off and can just blast it out | 17:40 | 
| knome | hasn't happened yet, so we're still stuck | 17:40 | 
| knome | this weekend and forthcoming week generally look better (less busy) than the weeks before, so fingers crossed :) | 17:41 | 
| elfy | yea - I like that deadline should just always equal either yesterday or tomorrow | 17:42 | 
| elfy | I've got little time this weekend - and next week it's only be evenings - if I manage to find any of that elusive commodity | 17:42 | 
| knome | yep | 17:43 | 
| knome | let's try to coordinate some time | 17:43 | 
| knome | tomorrow day is bad for me, but eveningish is good | 17:43 | 
| elfy | no chance this weekend | 17:43 | 
| knome | oh | 17:44 | 
| knome | duh | 17:44 | 
| * knome misread | 17:44 | |
| knome | :D | 17:44 | 
| elfy | :) | 17:44 | 
| elfy | there's no rush - I'm happy to leave it till the 2nd week of November | 17:44 | 
| knome | mhm | 17:44 | 
| elfy | I'm more concerned about other things atm - incentive/scheduling testing/starting testing than the process page | 17:46 | 
| knome | yep | 17:46 | 
| knome | i'm generally interested on the process page because that's a good way to pass on information | 17:46 | 
| elfy | I agree - I'm not *did-interested* - just less interested ;) | 17:47 | 
| elfy | s/did/dis | 17:47 | 
| knome | it's okay :P | 17:47 | 
| knome | and yeah, got that | 17:47 | 
| knome | just get used to me nagging about that page ;) | 17:47 | 
| elfy | that's fine - I'll treat it the same way as people do when I ask for them to test images ;) | 17:48 | 
| knome | haha | 17:48 | 
| knome | fair deal | 17:48 | 
| elfy | :) | 17:48 | 
| elfy | knome: to be fair, I've done a bit more on that pad in the last N days - the draft proposal is certainly different than it was | 18:01 | 
| knome | haven't looked at it, but judging from what you've said in this channel, i guessed it would be :) | 18:04 | 
| elfy | :) | 18:04 | 
| elfy | hi brainwash | 18:15 | 
| brainwash | hey elfy | 18:17 | 
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