[00:25] apologies to slickymaster for my not being around earlier to comment on his glossary suggestion [00:25] I think the glossary idea is a bit more than I was originally considering [00:25] my main concern was pretty much limited to the potential for Settings Manager confusion caused by there being two ways to get to it and three names for it [00:25] would it be out of the question to just remove the icon from the bottom of the whisker menu? [00:25] I think that would just about take care of both problems [01:03] bbl, but not for the meeting, unfortunately [01:38] algun lugar de ayuda en español? [01:39] New xfpm upload fixes Debian #763713 with upstream commit. [01:39] Debian bug 763713 in xfce4-power-manager "xfce4-power-manager-settings: minimum window size is too big" [Normal,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/763713 [01:39] sml: Generally English. [01:40] thanks [03:33] Unit193: aw, I could've helped him [04:50] * Unit193 has been rather out today. === ObrienDave is now known as andbot === andbot is now known as ObrienDave [05:46] Unit193, bluesabre: I've merged thunar in a bzr if you guys haven't already. I was using it as an example to teach a person trying to join ubuntu as a developer, so if we could wait a few days to see if he can merge it, that would be great [09:52] Noskcaj: np, let me know when its ready to upload/sponsor [10:13] !team | Reminder: meeting in ~45 mins [10:13] Reminder: meeting in ~45 mins: bluesabre, elfy, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, skellat, slickymaster, Unit193 [10:14] morning bluesabre [10:14] morning ochosi [10:14] still busy php-ing? :) [10:14] drafting a study guide now [10:15] for yourself or for others? [10:15] me [10:15] :) [10:15] :) [10:16] can we disable the pink highlight in vivid now? [10:17] will do this weekend [10:17] the code is already in xubuntu-default-settings trunk, so if you have the xubuntu-staging ppa installed in vivid, it should be gone [10:17] ok, that's nice [10:18] any thoughts on http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/commit/?id=7e8e8669606e662d1ee1e85815000f068f48acd9 ? [10:19] haven't tried it yet, but it sounds like something that i'll activate in greybird once we have it [10:19] I can confirm that brainwash [10:20] great, hopefully it's not a cpu hog [10:20] and morning everyone [10:20] slickymasterWork: hi [10:20] confirm what? [10:20] what bluesabre stated [10:20] ok :D [10:21] slickymasterWork: well, it'll only hog the cpu once when loading xfdesktop [10:21] but yeah, it's something to monitor [10:22] yeaps [10:22] but as it's a testing box it's not a big deal ochosi [10:23] it's meant for destruction, one way or the pther :P [10:23] s/pther/other [10:39] * slickymasterWork is not sure if he'll be able to really follow the meeting properly because of the constant annoying TTLs [10:41] jjfrv8, not sure if I understood you correctly. Do you mean remove the Settings icon from whisker itself? [10:41] knome ^^ (http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/10/31/%23xubuntu-devel.html#t00:25) [10:48] elfy: I hope you don't mind - I extended the QA pad with an item for discussion of priorities for autopilot tests. If the topic comes up in today's meeting, that would be nice. [10:58] dkessel, just bring it up after any other items under "discussion", or you can just simply add it to the agenda at it will be brought up [10:59] !team | meeting time everyone! [10:59] meeting time everyone!: bluesabre, elfy, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, skellat, slickymaster, Unit193 [10:59] o/ here~ish [10:59] yeah, that would've been my next question [10:59] i'm -ish too, but will be at least loosely following :) [10:59] who's around? [10:59] right [11:00] and can comment, but not always swiftly ;) [11:00] trying to keep myself here [11:00] just in case nobody apart from me is *really* around, i guess i'd postpone the meeting to wednesday or something [11:00] huhu :P [11:00] otherwise i'd just be talking to myself with a few folks lurking and occasionally commenting and that'd be weird :) [11:01] that's how meetings are every now and then :) [11:01] alright then, so let's do this and we'll see how far we get [11:01] #startmeeting [11:01] Meeting started Fri Oct 31 11:01:51 2014 UTC. The chair is ochosi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [11:01] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [11:02] well, we can also do a "loose agenda" meeting [11:02] where people can bring up stuff they want to discuss [11:02] #topic Open action items [11:02] hm sure [11:02] and then we'll #endmeeting at noon [11:02] i guess there aren't too many team updates [11:02] knome: how about your action items? [11:02] let me see what there was [11:03] at OK Corral knome? ;) [11:03] no formal proposal yet [11:03] #action knome to write a more formalized proposal about the QA process improvements with elfy after N days of comments/feedback for the pad [11:03] ACTION: knome to write a more formalized proposal about the QA process improvements with elfy after N days of comments/feedback for the pad [11:03] does anybody know about whether pleia2 contacted unixstickers? [11:03] otherwise i'd carry that forward too [11:04] the "translations important for xubuntu" list is now at the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes#Package_translations [11:04] she did [11:04] let me see if i can dig that up [11:04] it was #done in the previous meeting already [11:05] #done elfy mail the -devel list to garner comment on pad https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-October/010448.html [11:05] for the record: [11:05] 23:07 pleia2: #DONE pleia2 to contact unixstickers [11:05] 23:24 pleia2: #info unixstickers has sold plenty of Xubuntu items, so we just need to let them know what we want for the reward based QA program [11:05] 23:24 pleia2: #info unixstickers will also be producing t-shirts soon, production info here: [11:05] http://www.unixstickers.com/tshirts/underground-t-shirts/the-ultimate-pirate-bay-tshirt [11:05] ah good [11:06] #action slickymaster to start a series of run calls for "translations important for xubuntu" list defined in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes#Package_translations [11:06] ACTION: slickymaster to start a series of run calls for "translations important for xubuntu" list defined in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes#Package_translations [11:06] nice [11:07] anything else you think we should carry forward? [11:07] to me it seems like the rest is probably #done one way or the other [11:09] yep [11:09] #topic Team updates [11:09] oh [11:09] ok, if you got anything, #info it now [11:09] #action Elfy to mail -devel re where we support testers [11:09] ACTION: Elfy to mail -devel re where we support testers [11:09] i'd rather move on to discussion after this and leave things open [11:09] ^ that [11:09] oh [11:09] #undo [11:09] Removing item from minutes: ACTION [11:09] #undo [11:09] Removing item from minutes: TOPIC [11:10] hah [11:10] #action Elfy to mail -devel re where we support testers [11:10] ACTION: Elfy to mail -devel re where we support testers [11:10] #topic Team updates [11:10] fixed [11:10] #info Vivid branches for each xubuntu package/project are now open [11:10] nice work bluesabre [11:10] #info Vivid series are up on the QA trackers (which are down ATM) [11:11] #info Daily builds of xubuntu-artwork, xubuntu-default-settings, and (soon) xubuntu-docs for Vivid are up at https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xubuntu-staging [11:12] #info All other daily packages across our PPAs have been updated to build for vivid as well [11:12] #info Greybird already has basic Gtk3.14 fixes, ping ochosi when you notice bugs [11:13] #info All other themes will still need fixes for Gtk3.14 [11:13] #info upower 0.99.x landed yesterday, our packages have been rebuilt to support it... watch for breakage! [11:13] grrr [11:14] landed, or is landing... couldn't keep up with lp notifications :) [11:14] I think that's all I have currently [11:14] yeah, pitti spammed all our inboxes :) [11:14] qwebirc11992: any team updates from your side? === qwebirc11992 is now known as slickymasterWork [11:16] the re-write of the section about upgrading is done and already merged to the main branch [11:17] could you #info that properly plz? [11:17] thanks for the excellent work elfy done [11:17] #info the re-write of the section about upgrading is done and already merged to the main branch [11:18] thanks [11:18] ok, let's just open the floor for everyone... [11:19] #topic Discussion [11:19] would be nice to get some feedback on the blueprint sprint [11:19] i mean: on the result of the blueprint sprint, which is the workitems [11:19] Nice. work. everyone. [11:19] it's a good start ;) [11:19] if you feel that we've covered our basis well, or something is still missing/overlooked [11:19] i mean, i'm happy to see that there are many work items registered [11:19] or something that needs review [11:20] that gives us a more realistic view on how much work there is to be done [11:20] indeed [11:20] even if we most likely will need to change some wording and add even more smaller blueprints [11:20] the dev blueprint is in good shape, and I'm glad to see others contributing to it [11:20] I would like to have some feedback on this QA item: http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-qa-v-autopilot [11:21] there is this old utopic specification with a large list of applications on the wiki - I think it would be better to have priorities [11:22] like, which applications should get tests first. As I don't believe we will get autopilot tests for 30 apps done this cycle ;) [11:24] hm, that is a difficult one [11:24] i guess it's obvious, but i'd start with those which work with autopilot ;) [11:24] I think it would be a good effort for sure... haven't looked into it myself, but I'd be curious to know to what extent we are testing with autopilot [11:24] i remember knome was considering to write a proposal to drop abiword and gnumeric [11:24] yeah... i wouldn't start with those anyway [11:25] (even if we kept them) [11:25] catfish parole settings manager run program app finder mousepad screenshot xfburn ristretto task manager [11:25] start with simpler apps and build a core test suite [11:26] those are something i think might be good places to start [11:26] and yeah, in the order bluesabre mentioned, easier first [11:26] * ochosi agrees [11:26] run program should be relatively easy [11:26] agreed... xfburn might be more difficult to create a meaningful test [11:27] in that order? (see pad) [11:27] i looked through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Utopic/Autopilot and thought which of the "works" items would be somewhat "essential" or "important" to xubuntu [11:28] maybe that [11:28] grouped things being "equally important" [11:28] or, "pick whichever you please" [11:29] sounds good for a start! [11:29] thanks! [11:29] but that's just my opinion :) [11:29] what do the others think? [11:29] I agreed already ;) [11:29] * ochosi too [11:29] did you look at the pad? [11:30] i did some subordering on the items i mentioned before [11:30] hm, actually, app-finder == run program [11:30] * slickymasterWork lost the arguments but as a matter of principle, agrees with his fellow team members [11:30] and functionally == whiskermenu === ObrienDave is now known as andbot [11:31] so i'm somewhat wondering whether we really need to test it that much, as it isn't as important anymore as it used to be [11:31] i'd bet people migrating from other systems *cough* windows *cough* still use it a lot [11:32] hm, not sure, i mean whiskermenu does pretty much all that appfinder does too [11:32] well run a poll for users [11:32] my guess would be that catfish is actually more important === andbot is now known as ObrienDave [11:32] but either way, we don't have to do a poll to prove or disprove anything [11:36] I guess that's all I need for now [11:41] dkessel: great! [11:41] looking forward to the tests [11:43] so, we're considering swapping evince to evince-gtk... there doesn't seem to be a functional difference, and it reduces gnome dependencies [11:43] any downsides? [11:43] yeah, i tried -gtk and it looked/behaved the same [11:43] none discovered so far... I'm thinking it might be a good idea to go ahead and switch now since we're so early in the cycle [11:44] +1 [11:44] then a +1 and "go ahead" from me [11:44] and we can reevaluate at a later point as needed [11:44] got it [11:44] +1 from also [11:44] will do tonight/tomorrow [11:44] yeah, better switching now and having more time [11:44] fwiw, i don't have the feeling that people really noticed that XChat is gone [11:45] the only shitstorm i saw was about the pink highlights [11:45] yeah, there's no public nagging about it [11:45] (and even that was not very excessive) [11:45] about XChat that is [11:45] yeah [11:45] did any others of you hear anything? [11:45] or: read [11:45] nope [11:45] the next time we plan to drop something, just change the highlight color at the same time and nobody notices [11:45] nopes [11:46] :D [11:47] :D [11:54] alrighty [11:55] since time is pretty much up and there aren't many new topics brought up i'd say we end today's meeting [11:55] thanks to everyone for participating! [11:55] yep [11:55] alrighty [11:55] ttyl [11:55] #topic Schedule next meeting [11:56] #info bluesabre to schedule the next meeting [11:56] #endmeeting [11:56] Meeting ended Fri Oct 31 11:56:08 2014 UTC. [11:56] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-10-31-11.01.moin.txt [11:56] thanks ochosi [11:56] minutes will be up in a bit [12:09] ochosi: is it worth to include the qt theme selection file in xubuntu-default-settings? [12:09] to fix bug 1382741 [12:09] bug 1382741 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Some apps are displaying a very old styled theme as oppose to greybird" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1382741 [12:10] iirc bluesabre already had a patch for that [12:10] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/revision/533 [12:11] ah nice [12:11] branch should be added the report then :) [12:11] sure, feel free to do that ;) [12:11] meeting minutes are up [12:15] bluesabre: the lp number is wrong http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/revision/533 [12:16] 1373887 is commit 530 [12:19] bluesabre: you could also add the extra keybinding for screen locking, bug 1033174 [12:19] bug 1033174 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Improvement in the default keyboard shortcuts (lock screen and shutdown menu)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1033174 [12:20] "Add l shortcut for screen locking (xflock4)" [12:20] from upstream [12:21] the launchpad report also requests "CTRL+ALT+DEL for firing the shutdown menu" [12:21] not sure if we could add this too (xubuntu only) [12:23] * slickymasterWork needs a good serach engine to find something in the logs [12:23] *search [12:24] bluesabre: I guess not, CTRL+ALT+DEL is triggering xflock4 atm [12:24] people are used to this binding [13:03] slickymasterWork: https://www.google.com/#q=site:irclogs.ubuntu.com [13:04] brainwash: thanks, will take a look tonight [13:18] #action Elfy to mail -devel re where we support testers [13:18] ummm [13:18] so perhaps if people in team could actually read things I send to the list - that would be awesome :D [13:20] elfy: I read it! [13:20] but that meeting confused me, I think we had a duplicate agenda from last meeting :) [13:21] :) [13:25] xchat suddenly appears to have decided to be old school in appearance [13:48] slickymasterwork, yes, my suggestion was to remove the default All Settings icon from whisker: http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/menu0020.php [13:48] with just the one way to get to Settings from the menu, all of our references to [icon]-> Settings would be unambiguous [13:48] now that we have the searchable Settings in the category pane of whisker, I don't see any need to have the extra icon [13:51] ochosi, bluesabre: opinions ^ ? [13:59] gotta go, back later [14:04] lol, bluesabre, that I already have [14:05] I was just nagging with myself ;) [14:07] jjfrv8, right, but that goes way beyond the -docs scope so the project and the technical leads in particular and the team at large will have to have a say on it [15:17] hmmmm [15:17] knome, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+pots/ubiquity-slideshow-xubuntu is set yet [15:17] *isn't [15:17] what a shame [15:17] ;) [15:18] just saying it because of the call for translation mail to -devel [15:18] i'll set it up in a minute once i have coffee in my mug [15:18] I'm going to mention it and people will start complaining about an invalid link, for sure [15:19] ok, I'll fix the link in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes [15:21] knome ^^^ fixed [15:21] actually.. [15:21] knome, jjfrv8: i don't have a strong opinion on that. i don't think ppl will really miss it there since we have the category. otoh i don't think the "ambiguity" of the docs is a really a big issue in that respect [15:21] i think it'll show up when there's the first upload for that package [15:22] but the url is going to be that one, right? [15:22] yes [15:22] it's not a big issue ochosi, but an issue nevertheless [15:23] since we've had the icon already, i think it's better to keep it [15:23] and solve the ambiguity docs-internally [15:23] * slickymasterWork nods [15:23] slickymasterWork: btw, shall we take another look at the powerman docs sometime next week? [15:24] * ochosi doesnt really remember where we left off [15:24] coffee is yummy [15:24] yes ochosi, I've been postponing that because of work/son [15:24] but things are calmer these days [15:25] * slickymasterWork was wondering when would ochosi poke him about that ;) [15:25] :) [15:26] yeah, same here tbh [15:26] i was also busy and it's not on the top of my priority-list [15:26] lol, knome, I received that one (in the PM) during today's meeting [15:27] yes :| [15:27] talk about wasting bandwidth [15:28] :) [16:21] knome: about http://pad.ubuntu.com/outdated-debian-screenshots do you know if it's required some form of an account in debian to upload the screenshots? [16:22] you should ask bluesabre [16:23] I'm planning to start working on it this weekend [16:23] bluesabre ^^ [16:24] or Unit193 (for that matter) ^^ [16:28] anyway, don't let them not answering keep you back... if you take new screenshots, keep them somewhere until they know where to put them :) [16:28] yeah, that goes without saying [16:48] knome, thanks for adding that item to the blueprint [16:48] np [17:37] evening all [17:39] hello elfy [17:39] hi knome [17:39] so then knome ... [17:39] yes? :) [17:39] what shall we call N days then :) [17:39] has to be more than 14 or we've done that :S [17:39] D [17:40] yeah, it's a random integer from 1 to 30 that changes every day [17:40] and the only way to get out of this loop is that the random integer matches the day number we're on.. eg. so the deadline is "today" [17:40] if we postpone that till after the 6th I've got a week off and can just blast it out [17:40] hasn't happened yet, so we're still stuck [17:41] this weekend and forthcoming week generally look better (less busy) than the weeks before, so fingers crossed :) [17:42] yea - I like that deadline should just always equal either yesterday or tomorrow [17:42] I've got little time this weekend - and next week it's only be evenings - if I manage to find any of that elusive commodity [17:43] yep [17:43] let's try to coordinate some time [17:43] tomorrow day is bad for me, but eveningish is good [17:43] no chance this weekend [17:44] oh [17:44] duh [17:44] * knome misread [17:44] :D [17:44] :) [17:44] there's no rush - I'm happy to leave it till the 2nd week of November [17:44] mhm [17:46] I'm more concerned about other things atm - incentive/scheduling testing/starting testing than the process page [17:46] yep [17:46] i'm generally interested on the process page because that's a good way to pass on information [17:47] I agree - I'm not *did-interested* - just less interested ;) [17:47] s/did/dis [17:47] it's okay :P [17:47] and yeah, got that [17:47] just get used to me nagging about that page ;) [17:48] that's fine - I'll treat it the same way as people do when I ask for them to test images ;) [17:48] haha [17:48] fair deal [17:48] :) [18:01] knome: to be fair, I've done a bit more on that pad in the last N days - the draft proposal is certainly different than it was [18:04] haven't looked at it, but judging from what you've said in this channel, i guessed it would be :) [18:04] :) [18:15] hi brainwash [18:17] hey elfy