[00:04] <shauno> (legit freebie, not five-fingered)
[00:04] <daftykins> i wouldn't think you the sort, sir
[00:04] <shauno> heh
[00:04] <daftykins> after a 6 month contract doing IT support in an educational establishment, they phoned me up one day to ask if i knew where one of their Asus Eee netbooks went
[00:04] <shauno> we had to dispose of a whole bunch of them when we finally figured out how to move the application they hosted to VMs
[00:05] <daftykins> i owned a sony ultraportable at the time which i took it several times so they knew i had something better
[00:05] <daftykins> odd they didn't think the guy that left to go travelling and kept saying "these are really nice machines" had done it
[00:05] <daftykins> shauno: :D
[00:05] <daftykins> shauno: was it tricky?
[00:06] <shauno> it actually was .. all the licences were tied to a SN it pulled from an eprom on the board
[00:06] <daftykins> ooh, how is the EEPROM shared on the VMs to allow reading?
[00:07] <shauno> I replaced the tool it uses to read the eprom, with a script that shoves out an imaginary number  (VM+the mac address)
[00:07] <daftykins> XD
[00:07] <shauno> so now we can just tie licences to those
[00:08] <shauno> (it's our software, so the licences aren't an issue .. but they do need a number to tie to)
[00:08] <shauno> just it's cranky old stuff that was EOL'd in 2005, and if you ask the development guys in india for any help, you'll grow old waiting
[00:10] <daftykins> :( they don't even shut you down?
[00:11] <shauno> well we're not meant to support it anymore either
[00:12] <shauno> but it works out a whole lot better if we can when we have to
[00:12] <daftykins> i'm so glad i've gotten rid of XP from everywhere i used to see it
[00:12] <shauno> telling customers they're SOL is really bad for all the happy metric stuff that managers obsess over  lol
[00:14] <daftykins> metric stuff? what does that thing do?
[00:15] <shauno> I mean the various ways the managers measure how useful we are
[00:16] <shauno> like one of the big ones is how many hours a case stays open for.  that's really difficult when you have equipment that no-one supports
[00:16] <daftykins> :|
[00:16] <shauno> so our lab has more hacks than an 80s movie :)
[00:17] <daftykins> "it no longer exists" is not a good enough reason? :(
[00:25]  * zmoylan-pi remembers a cpm computer still in use in the 90s as it had been modified by crazed electrician to control power plant
[00:26] <daftykins> D:
[00:27] <zmoylan-pi> with code running uncompiled...
[00:27] <zmoylan-pi> in basic :-)
[00:28] <shauno> heh, I used to work in a hotel that used a dos program as their booking app
[00:28] <shauno> every year they printed out all the bookings, and then changed the year in the config file and started from fresh
[00:29] <daftykins> XD
[00:29] <daftykins> that must've been a fine print run
[00:29] <daftykins> surely they hit some memory limitations?
[00:29] <zmoylan-pi> and every leap year there was panic?
[00:30] <shauno> nah, it didn't handle 2k well
[00:30] <shauno> so they just nuked it and started again each year
[00:30] <shauno> and every winter we'd be taking next summer's bookings on paper, until the computer got flicked around
[00:31] <zmoylan-pi> i remember servicing a video point of sales system that some staff had tried to insert money into
[00:31] <zmoylan-pi> coins on motherboard are bad, m'kay
[00:33] <shauno> man, it's been so long since I've used this router, I have no idea what I'm doing :/
[00:34]  * zmoylan-pi passes shauno my hammer
[00:38] <shauno> I think I've got it.  just waiting 3 years for it to reboot to find out :/
[00:49] <shauno> ah.  forgot when I get a new v4 address I have to update HE's end of the tunnel too
[00:49] <shauno> sorted \o/
[00:53] <shauno> I still have no idea why this works.  one modem, two routers, they both get addresses
[00:54] <daftykins> wat.
[00:54] <shauno> yarly.
[00:54] <daftykins> i'm sure that's permissable when paying for it, but not if you're not
[00:54] <daftykins> maybe your ISP just has no idea?
[00:54] <daftykins> have you tried for a third?
[00:55] <shauno> yup.  I can get 4, one off each port on the modem
[00:55] <shauno> but I only really have use for 2 :)
[00:55] <daftykins> O_O
[00:55] <daftykins> are they sequential too, or just in the same space?
[00:55] <daftykins> the IPs
[00:56] <shauno> oh they're nowhere close
[00:56] <daftykins> and unrepeatable? assuming you're on dynamic
[00:57] <shauno> atm my wifi's 89.101.etc and my lab is 46.7.etc
[00:57] <shauno> they seem to get a decent length lease on each mac address
[00:57] <shauno> so the lab only changes if I leave it unplugged for >28 days
[00:58] <shauno> and my wifi .. there's no way I'm unplugging that for 28 days to find out :)
[00:58] <daftykins> XD
[00:59] <shauno> so my network is really quite messy
[00:59] <shauno> both my apple router & my lab router have v6 tunnels
[00:59] <shauno> and then the lab router is advertising a private ipv6 subnet to the real router
[01:00] <daftykins> just so both sides can chat?
[01:01] <shauno> yeah.  otherwise connecting to a box under my desk goes router->isp->london->paris->isp>router2
[01:01] <shauno> (because henet-london didn't have any free endpoints when I setup the tunnel for the lab, so their endpoints are in different cities)
[01:02] <shauno> and then for v4 they're completely seperate networks
[01:06] <shauno> the lab is 12u of some very noisy trash, so I have this convoluted config so I can reach it without routing through it.  because noisy trash gets turned off a lot.
[01:11] <daftykins> shauno: do you have pics? :D
[01:12] <shauno> http://cl.ly/image/3U001H143S31
[01:15] <daftykins> cor, nice footwarmer
[01:16] <shauno> lol.  I don't sit at the desk often.  there's not really space for me there anymore
[01:16] <daftykins> :)
[01:18] <daftykins> is there a nice hum from over there?
[01:19] <shauno> it's not so bad as long as the dell's off
[01:21] <daftykins> :D
[01:22] <daftykins> i had a 1U poweredge with dual P4 era Xeons
[01:22] <daftykins> damn it was all noise and no beans
[01:26] <shauno> that's probably what this is lol .. 2xE5420
[01:27] <daftykins> hrmm
[01:27] <daftykins> one i had, had 2GB RAM totally decked out
[01:27] <daftykins> i was playing with what was VMware ESXi at the time, but that RAM wasn't much for anything :(
[01:27] <shauno> this should take 32, but I won't pay for it
[01:27] <shauno> (ecc ddr2 is *not* cheap)
[01:28] <shauno> or it wasn't last time I looked  heh
[01:29] <shauno> oh now see, this is how bad things happen
[01:29] <shauno> 32GB for this machine is around 140eur
[01:29] <shauno> for 150, I can get the same machine again, but with 32 already in it (and two slightly better procs)
[01:30] <daftykins> !
[01:30] <daftykins> that's insane
[01:30] <daftykins> :>
[01:31] <shauno> seriously, http://www.ebay.ie/itm/381036708860   for 10 quid more, the ram comes with a 3GHz 'footwarmer'
[01:31] <shauno> I may have to keep an eye on that to see if it moves =x
[01:34] <shauno> heh, so I fired it up to see what cpuinfo said
[01:34] <shauno> now I'm staring at it wondering why on earth it's running centos
[01:35] <daftykins> :D
[01:38] <shauno> anyway.  now that it's all alive .. I'm going to bed
[01:38] <daftykins> nn sir :)
[07:46] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://www.amazon.com/Did-You-Read-That-Review-ebook/dp/B00O7XEOJY
[07:47] <MartijnVdS> (or http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00O7XEOJY)
[10:10] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[16:18] <boris> k
[16:29] <SuperEngineer> o
[16:30] <zmoylan-pi> a
[16:30] <SuperEngineer> l
[16:30] <zmoylan-pi> a
[16:31] <SuperEngineer> :D
[16:36] <shauno> I thought you were all still asleep?
[16:47] <SuperEngineer> ok, getting cheesed off now - 3rd x-crash in a week. getting tired of suddenly disappearing, getting tired of using REISUB.  must investigate... sometime :)
[16:51] <SuperEngineer> [in the mentime, I'll blame it on the boogie]
[17:48] <daftykins> http://twitch.tv/daftpunkle
[17:48] <daftykins> =]
[17:51] <daftykins> nothing like beating your friends record in a game :D
[17:51] <daftykins> by a tenth of a second no less XD
[17:52] <brobostigon> :)
[17:55] <daftykins> hey brobostigon, up to much today?
[17:55] <brobostigon> not much upto now, and you?
[17:56] <daftykins> spot of shopping, just installed xubuntu-desktop onto this old macbook i was given by a friend and now relaxing with Forza Horizon 2 on the xbox one :>
[17:56] <popey> A'noon
[17:57] <brobostigon> :)
[17:57] <daftykins> hey popey, how goes it?
[17:57] <brobostigon> afternoodlings popey
[17:57] <daftykins> mm noodles
[17:57] <brobostigon> :)
[17:57] <shauno> careful, you'll wake dan up
[17:58] <daftykins> :D
[17:58] <daftykins> ah-ha, right clicking is a distinct challenge on this thing
[17:58] <daftykins> as in, i don't know how to do it :)
[18:26] <popey> tickety boo
[19:32]  * DJones ticks popey's boo
[20:14] <brobostigon> new dr who, :)
[20:15] <daftykins> yawn :P
[20:41] <shauno> heh, that was bad
[21:04] <directhex> rabble rabble
[21:06] <daftykins> i'm writing up a forum post with how well this macbook took to Trusty
[21:06] <daftykins> seems the only way to update the mac docs
[21:07] <penguin42> daftykins: Is it on a wiki ?
[21:11] <daftykins> penguin42 - i suppose sort of? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MactelSupportTeam/CommunityHelpPages
[21:12] <penguin42> looks a bit prehistoric
[21:17] <Laney> how's that sort of?
[21:17] <Laney> adding a new page there seems likely to be the way to have most people find it to me
[21:18] <Laney> does seem like the MacTel team is dormant though
[21:18] <penguin42> Laney: It's just a little suspicious it's not got many models from the last few years
[21:20] <directhex> now i'm scared to upgrade my macbook
[21:21] <Laney> I'm running my 7.1 on Utopic
[21:21] <Laney> don't think it requires any particular hax any mroe
[21:21] <daftykins> how do you add a page there?
[21:21] <daftykins> Laney: it's sort of because it's the first time i'm looking at it and am not familiar
[21:22] <Laney> fair
[21:22] <Laney> I think that even if the team which used to maintain it has gone away it's nice to put the page where most people will find it
[21:22] <Laney> or at least a link
[21:22] <Laney> you should be able to add a page by naviating to what its URL ought to be and clicking the link from there
[21:23] <Laney> (if you're signed in)
[21:23] <directhex> my mac's for work. do i need to upgrade?
[21:23] <daftykins> directhex: don't be facetious :P
[21:27] <daftykins> ah i see the controls for logging into the site now, but it seems to be stuck and not loading after i hit 'yes, log in'
[21:28] <popey> takes a while
[21:30] <popey> \o/ 500 internal server error
[21:30]  * popey files an rt
[21:31] <penguin42> perhaps it needs a new rubber band
[21:31] <popey> done.
[21:35] <andylockran> thanks for the tip earlier popey :)
[21:37] <popey> np
[21:51] <daftykins> ok i've got my page up and edited, it seems to have mentioned some usernames that have been notified
[21:51] <daftykins> is there any way i can contact those people to get my page actually linked from the main one?
[21:51] <daftykins> or do they just have to review it first
[21:57] <popey> the people who got a mail are just people subscribed to the page
[21:57] <popey> anyone can do that
[21:57] <popey> they may or may not be involved
[21:57] <daftykins> there don't seem to be any edit controls on the parent?
[21:57] <popey> url?
[21:58] <daftykins> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MactelSupportTeam/CommunityHelpPages
[21:58] <popey> its editable here
[21:58] <daftykins> i'd like to add my new page under the LTS column for - MacBook 3,1
[21:58] <daftykins> 	
[21:58] <daftykins> late 2007 oops.
[21:59] <daftykins> weird, i have no controls
[21:59] <daftykins> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook3-1/Trusty
[21:59] <daftykins> there's my new page
[22:01] <daftykins> ah hang on
[22:01] <daftykins> i'm being quite the idiot
[22:01] <popey> two separate sites to login to
[22:02] <daftykins> *nod* didn't even see the login link
[22:02] <daftykins> these old specs are driving me spare :(
[22:09] <daftykins> huzzah it is done!
[22:11] <daftykins> well that's one less blank
[22:13] <Azelphur> this is the problem buying something off facebook, I have someone claiming this table is 190x50cm https://owncloud.azelphur.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=c61f23dba3521479aa81f4c3f65f25ab
[22:14] <Azelphur> someone clearly doesn't know how to count.
[22:15] <daftykins> 0o
[22:16] <Azelphur> like yea, if the table is 50cm wide, the shelf underneath is 25cm, and the place mats are 12.5cm
[22:26] <ali1234> it could be 190x50 inches
[22:27] <ali1234> or it could be a tiny table
[22:28] <ali1234> i'm going with inches