[05:01] <Kilos> morning buntu peeps
[05:03] <Kilos> sjoe Vince-0 you here early
[06:21] <Kilos> môre Kerbero 
[06:59] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac 
[06:59] <Kilos> Maaz, môre
[06:59] <Maaz> Goeie dag %who my vriend
[06:59] <Kilos> ai!
[07:00] <Kilos> Maaz, môre
[07:00] <Maaz> Goeie dag Kilos my vriend
[07:00] <Kilos> Maaz, botsnack
[07:00] <Maaz> Thank you thank you, munch munch chomp chomp
[07:05] <nlsthzn> morning all
[07:11] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[07:12] <Kilos> whew those macs are expensive hey
[07:13] <Kilos> macbook air R12699 
[07:13] <nlsthzn> yup
[07:13] <nlsthzn> much $
[07:13] <Kilos> macbook pro R14999
[07:13] <Kilos> im sure i can build a gaming desktop for much less
[07:16] <nlsthzn> yes you could
[07:22] <Kilos> nlsthzn, how do i see the re-eval page as they will see it not as something that can be edited
[07:47] <nlsthzn> they will see it the same as us as they also have permission to edit the page... send me the link you have so I can see what you see pls :)
[07:53] <Kilos> ok lemme ask the bot
[07:53] <Kilos> Maaz, 
[07:53] <Maaz> Kilos: *blink*
[07:53] <Kilos> aw i forgot
[07:53] <Kilos> Maaz, re-eval
[07:53] <Maaz> Kilos: *blink*
[07:54] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReApprovalApplication2014
[07:58] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:58] <inetpro> Kilos: what;s the problem?
[07:59] <Kilos> i frorgot what i told maaz to remember what the link was for the re-evaluation thing sir
[07:59] <Kilos> forgot too
[07:59] <Kilos> and a good morning to you
[07:59] <inetpro> is it important?
[08:00] <Kilos> na i bookmarket it in browser as well ty
[08:00] <Kilos> marked
[08:01] <inetpro> if you get lost just go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam
[08:01] <Kilos> ah ty inetpro 
[08:01] <Kilos> Maaz, team is <reply> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam
[08:01] <Maaz> Kilos: If you say so
[08:02] <inetpro> ai!
[08:02] <inetpro> you'll have to remember to remember what to remember
[08:03] <Kilos> haha that seems to be the prob thats why i try keep it as basic as possible
[08:21] <Kilos> ha i remembered
[08:21] <Kilos> Maaz, reapp
[08:21] <Maaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReApprovalApplication2014
[08:25] <inetpro> a terrible word that
[08:25] <Kilos> supposed to mean re_app
[08:25] <Kilos> re-app
[08:25] <Kilos> Maaz, forget reapp
[08:25] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto
[08:26] <Kilos> i tired now
[08:28] <Kilos> oh inetpro i found a wifi hotspot close by
[08:28] <Kilos> further towards brits and about 3 ks i think
[08:29] <Kilos> i dunno how to measure crow fly distance
[08:29] <Kilos> so no hills between
[08:56] <gremble> o/
[08:56] <nlsthzn> Kilos, that is the way the page will look for everyone
[08:57] <Kilos> ok ty nlsthzn 
[08:57] <Kilos> hi gremble 
[09:14] <bushtech> Kilos, to measure crow fly distance google earth or mapsource/basecamp can all do it I think
[09:26] <Kilos> hmm....
[09:27] <Kilos> what do isps use for their coverage maps
[09:28] <Kilos> like on this link
[09:28] <Kilos> http://www.telkommobile.co.za/wifi/#q%3Dmagaliesmoot%2C%20South%20Africa
[09:29] <Kilos> type in magaliesmoot in the search block
[09:30] <Kilos> oh i think you must choose prepaid first then wifi i forget now
[10:16] <charl> good morning
[10:16] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[10:16]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[10:19] <charl> dirty mugs again
[10:20] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[10:25] <Kilos> hi charl 
[11:13] <nlsthzn> due to inactivity the ZA subforum in ubuntuforums.org has been closed :/ 
[11:20] <Kilos> ya
[11:21] <Kilos> we help peeps here not in a forum
[11:29] <gremble> Why does a subforum have to be closed
[11:29] <gremble> It is not like it takes a lot of resources, especially when it is inactive
[11:33] <nlsthzn> I guess not but all loco's that had inactive subforums where archived, they can be re-opened if needed off course
[11:34] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[11:34] <Maaz> charl: Sure
[11:34] <charl> hi Kilos 
[12:46] <magespawn> good afternoon
[12:47] <inetpro> hullo magespawn
[12:48] <magespawn> how is it, inetpro?
[12:51] <inetpro> very very hot here in Pretoria
[12:55] <nlsthzn> nice autumn weather here - only 33
[12:59] <inetpro> 30°C here inside with 40% humidity, too much for me
[13:00] <inetpro> not sure about the accuracy of the humidity though 
[13:01] <inetpro> magic mobile phone telling me that
[13:03] <charl> hey inetpro 
[13:03] <inetpro> hi charl
[13:03] <charl> how's it going
[13:04] <charl> oh sorry you already answered that :p
[13:04] <charl> hi magespawn 
[13:14] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[13:17] <Kilos> we might get a storm later to cool it off for the old and feeble
[13:18] <gremble> With all this heat it will probably be hail
[13:18] <Kilos> hail cools it quick
[13:18] <gremble> Ya, does not mean I like it :P
[13:18] <gremble> We have a flat roof
[13:18] <gremble> Last time there was bad hail, it broke
[13:19] <Kilos> eish
[13:19] <Kilos> last hail we had stripped all the fruit trees
[13:20] <gremble> It is very good for the trees though. 
[13:20] <gremble> Hail puts a lot of nitrogen back into the ground
[13:20] <Kilos> oh yes hail is good for all plants but only after theyve recovered from the damage
[13:50] <magespawn> hi Kilos, hi charl 
[13:51] <magespawn> i am nice and cool for once, down here
[13:51] <Kilos> haha is it building up to rain magespawn ?
[13:52] <magespawn> gotta go install a satellite dish 
[13:52] <magespawn> no just over cast and cool
[13:52] <Kilos> that place can cook with the best of them
[13:52] <magespawn> we are having a nice start to summer so far, had a couple of hot days but not sustained yet
[13:53] <magespawn> gotta go now, dish install, chat later
[13:53] <Kilos> go install your dish so you dont have to work late unless they giving supper too
[13:53] <Kilos> enjoy
[13:53] <magespawn> later
[14:41] <Kilos> bushtech, i used google maps and a vernier and looks like the hotspot is only 1 k from here
[14:41] <Kilos> https://maps.google.com/maps?output=classic&dg=brw
[14:42] <Kilos> but also realised i gave my wifi card and yagi to ian
[14:42] <Kilos> sigh
[14:42] <Kilos> hehe
[14:48] <charl> does anyone happen to have any experience getting vlc working on raspbian ?
[14:50] <Kilos> whats raspbian
[14:51] <gremble> debian on a raspberry pi
[14:51] <charl> version of debian that runs on raspberry pi
[14:52] <charl> yes
[14:52] <Kilos> oi you okes and your toys
[14:52] <charl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8775430/
[14:52] <charl> that's what i did so far but not working
[14:53] <Kilos> hasnt it got a package manager
[14:53] <Kilos> to sort dependancies
[14:53] <charl> regular apt but the apt package does not work
[14:53] <charl> not compiled properly
[14:53] <Kilos> anreinstall apt
[14:54] <Kilos> can you install aptitude on it
[14:54] <Kilos> is aptitude debian or ubuntu only
[14:54] <gremble> Aptitude is debian
[14:55] <gremble> That is why ubuntu can use it
[14:55] <gremble> Ubuntu is based on debian
[14:55] <charl> it's not apt's fault it's the package
[14:55] <charl> that's why i need to compile
[14:55] <Kilos> cool then use aptitude charl it will give more feedback
[14:55] <gremble> Is it a schlep to compile packages on the raspberry?
[14:55] <charl> nono you don't understand Kilos 
[14:56] <charl> the package installs
[14:56] <charl> but it is not compiled to work with the gpu that's on the board
[14:56] <charl> it's broadcom so it's problematic
[14:56] <Kilos> ai!
[14:56] <gremble> Isn't the r-pi supposed to be fully open hardware?
[14:56] <charl> gremble: it's slow. very slow. the rpi is slow to start off with.
[14:56] <charl> nono broadcom is not known for being open
[14:57] <charl> openbsd refuses to run on it because of those issue
[14:57] <charl> omxplayer runs perfectly with hardware acceleration
[14:57] <charl> but omxplayer does not support subtitles well
[14:57] <charl> and that happens to be important for me
[14:58] <charl> compiling vlc took a couple of hours
[14:58] <gremble> charl: http://hertaville.com/2014/04/12/cross-compiling-qt4-app/ perhaps you can cross-compile from the PC
[14:59] <charl> the issue is not qt
[14:59] <charl> i run the command line version of vlc
[14:59] <charl> the problems are related to audio and codecs
[14:59] <gremble> That is now spesific to QT4 apps, but I am sure you can use the same cross-comp toolchain
[14:59] <gremble> I didn't link for QT.
[14:59] <gremble> I linked for the toolchain
[14:59] <charl> ah so, lemme take a look
[15:00] <charl> interesting
[15:00] <charl> that will speed things up a lot
[15:01] <charl> but i still need the right compile options
[15:01] <charl> that's what i'm having trouble with right now
[15:01] <gremble> Ah ok
[15:02] <charl> thanks for the help though but i think i need somebody with experience having done this before
[15:02] <charl> thought i might hit it lucky :)
[15:02] <Kilos> haha
[15:02] <charl> i think i need to ask on some rpi channels
[15:02] <charl> it's a pity because omxplayer works great (for the most part)
[15:02] <charl> maybe i should try patching it
[15:03] <charl> and forget about vlc entirely
[15:04] <charl> or i should simply cave in and use xbmc :)
[15:05] <charl> but i really like the ability to control the video via ssh
[15:05] <Kilos> dont give up till you have proved its impossible
[15:06] <Kilos> proven
[15:06] <Kilos> and battling with it will keep you out of other trouble
[15:09] <charl> gremble: i found this earlier which is related https://github.com/rcarmo/raspbian-vlc-cross-compile
[15:09] <charl> it lets you compile vlc inside a VM using vagrant
[15:09] <charl> also a very nice concept i think
[15:09] <charl> lol Kilos 
[15:09] <charl> i have lots to do here :P not just compile stuff the whole day
[15:10] <gremble> Ya. you need a compiler that can compile it into the correct bytecode/instruction set
[15:11] <charl> precisely yeah but clearly that's not a problem
[15:12] <charl> it is heck of a lot faster than compiling on the rpi
[15:12] <charl> i am very impressed with the minimalism though
[15:12] <charl> -/+ buffers/cache:        25M       348M
[15:12] <charl> only uses 25M with nothing open other than standard ssh
[15:12] <charl> that's impressive
[16:31] <Kilos> hmm...
[16:31] <inetpro> Maaz: hmm...
[16:31] <Maaz> hmm... is often used to try make others believe one is actually thinking
[16:32] <charl> hmmmmmmmm
[16:33] <inetpro> uh!?
[16:35] <Kilos> what does uh!? mean inetpro ?
[16:37] <Kilos> you winning charl ?
[16:37] <Kilos> or you gave up
[16:38] <Kilos> you okes all need to get bell.ogg alert/notifications working so you dont take a week to answer
[16:38] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[16:38] <Kilos> s3 fixed?
[16:38] <superfly> hi Kilos, no.
[16:39] <Kilos> oh my what happened you always fix things
[16:51] <charl> Kilos: i'm asking on #raspbian now
[16:51] <charl> i'll see if i get some luck
[17:04] <charl> nope no luck
[17:04] <charl> channel is dead
[17:04] <charl> that said, it's saturday evening
[17:11] <Kilos> other irc channels you can wait half a day for help
[17:32] <Kilos> sjoe
[17:32] <Kilos> biblical justice with a twist
[17:32] <Kilos> http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/10/31/congodemocratic-rebels-idINKBN0IK1SL20141031
[17:51] <charl> true, true
[17:52] <charl> yum that sounds delicious
[17:52] <charl> good thing i had an early dinner
[17:52] <Kilos> eeeek
[17:52] <Kilos> lol
[17:52] <Kilos> can safe on the food bills that way
[17:52] <Kilos> how far is kenya from there
[17:53] <charl> in the west they say "i killed a man" and in afrika they say "i fed my family"
[17:53] <Kilos> maybe andrew gets eaten if his servers crash
[17:53] <charl> uganda and some other countries are in between
[17:54] <charl> Symmetria: they gonna turn you into roast
[17:55] <charl> i don't think the kenyans would do that though
[17:55] <charl> kenyans are very nice people
[17:55] <charl> the somalis might
[17:55] <Kilos> hehe
[17:55] <charl> no i think the somalies will just threat you with a bomb
[17:55] <Kilos> and then eat the pieces
[17:55] <charl> yeah the kenyans don't like them
[17:56] <Kilos> thats kind of rough in this day and age
[17:57] <charl> it's sad
[17:57] <charl> days are getting shorter ... i feel the winter coming
[17:57] <charl> today was nice though, clear skies and 20 degrees
[17:57] <Kilos> 20 is winter
[17:58] <charl> nono
[17:58] <charl> -20 is winter
[17:58] <charl> fortunately not in NL
[17:58] <charl> here -2 is winter
[17:58] <Kilos> no man thats the temp you keep meat at for years before you cook and eat it
[17:58] <charl> very cold that here, in lapland everyone would run outside
[17:59] <charl> in lapland they don't even see the sun those people
[18:00] <charl> half the year they live in darkness
[18:00] <Kilos> eish
[18:00] <charl> not my climate i would get crazy
[18:00] <charl> *become
[18:01] <charl> that's no climate for a normal person that's for eskimos
[18:01] <Kilos> yeah
[18:02] <Kilos> but not much flu around there i think
[18:03] <charl> it's too cold for flu
[18:03] <charl> nothing survives
[18:04] <Kilos> i wonder if they got aids there
[18:26] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:24] <charl> wb theblazehen