| === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi | ||
| map | hi all | 04:33 |
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| === OERIAS2 is now known as OERIAS | ||
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 10:46 |
| vad3rman1156 | sup | 10:49 |
| brobostigon | morning vad3rman1156 | 10:50 |
| === roht is now known as wadzi | ||
| penguin42 | Ovo (eelc supplier) have an interesting account system; you earn interest on overpayments, and can extract money before the end of the term | 14:22 |
| map | thats decent | 14:22 |
| map | if im ever in credit at eon its a right pain getting it back | 14:22 |
| penguin42 | yeh, it's just taken nearly 2 months to extract the end of contract credit from Flow gas | 14:24 |
| penguin42 | I tend to change supplier each year | 14:24 |
| map | i usually dont just because of the hassle | 14:24 |
| penguin42 | I think it's saving me money changing, althoguh frankly it's hard to tell | 14:25 |
| map | im gonna have to send my email later this week | 14:26 |
| map | paying for 100mbit getting like 20mbit speed max | 14:26 |
| penguin42 | what on? | 14:26 |
| map | although il need to do what daftykins said at some point | 14:26 |
| map | hat do you mean what on | 14:26 |
| penguin42 | what isp/connectivity/technology? | 14:26 |
| map | gibtelecom | 14:26 |
| map | says fibre | 14:26 |
| penguin42 | ah | 14:26 |
| map | like now download 10.51 | 14:27 |
| map | lol | 14:27 |
| penguin42 | yeh well you're probably sharing gig among your segment - but what's the link back to the mainland? | 14:27 |
| map | ]no idea tbh | 14:27 |
| map | i get that its shared and 'upto 100' but even at 3/4am | 14:27 |
| map | max 20 | 14:27 |
| map | no point paying for 100 if im not getting ANYWHERE close | 14:27 |
| penguin42 | try a traceroute and see if you can figure it out | 14:28 |
| penguin42 | map: and where are you downloading from? | 14:28 |
| map | ive tried nearest possible mirrors for isos | 14:29 |
| map | also tried speedtest | 14:29 |
| map | traceroute to where anywhere in particular..google.co.uk? | 14:29 |
| penguin42 | map: I'd be happy to try and do a compare from my supposed 50/60mbps cable | 14:29 |
| penguin42 | map: The place you're downloading from | 14:29 |
| map | DSL Type:ITU-T G.993.2 Annex B (VDSL2) | 14:30 |
| map | Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]:13.410 / 100.016 | 14:30 |
| map | Data Transferred (Sent/Received) [B/B]:0 / 0 | 14:30 |
| penguin42 | oh, that's not fibre, that's VDSL | 14:30 |
| map | yea | 14:30 |
| map | but the site said fibre | 14:30 |
| map | https://www.gibtele.com/fibrebroadband/ | 14:31 |
| penguin42 | yeh most of the UK places advertise as fibre, but that's fibre to the cabinet - but still, where did that info come from - your modem? | 14:31 |
| penguin42 | (I made a complaint to advertising standards about 10 years ago when they started doing that but they didn't get it) | 14:31 |
| map | yea jusgt logged into the router | 14:31 |
| map | dont get that tho | 14:32 |
| map | what speed does it think its connecting at? | 14:32 |
| penguin42 | map: OK, so something in the router thinks you're on 100Mbps | 14:32 |
| map | il try and find a spanish mirror and test | 14:32 |
| penguin42 | hmm, actually no those numbers don't quite make sense - although they might if you assume it's mbps not kbps | 14:32 |
| map | whys it say kbps? just an error with the page i guess | 14:32 |
| map | yea | 14:32 |
| penguin42 | yeh | 14:32 |
| penguin42 | map: Are you sure it's not the mirror ? What exactly are you trying to download from where? | 14:33 |
| map | ubuntu isos just a big file to test | 14:33 |
| map | not sure where else to use to test besides mirrors? | 14:33 |
| penguin42 | which mirror are you using? | 14:34 |
| map | sec | 14:34 |
| map | 81.94.213.9 gona try tracert to that | 14:34 |
| map | took quite a while to get there | 14:35 |
| map | http://de.releases.ubuntu.com/utopic/ | 14:36 |
| * penguin42 wonders where that actually is | 14:36 | |
| map | what speed do you get off there..700ks here;[ | 14:36 |
| map | its works IP address in the UK | 14:36 |
| penguin42 | well that's probably in Germany? | 14:37 |
| map | yea it is | 14:37 |
| map | i cant find anywhere closer now | 14:37 |
| map | not sure where to use to try and test | 14:37 |
| penguin42 | that's giving about 6MByte/sec - so about 50Mbps | 14:37 |
| map | yea see thats decent | 14:37 |
| map | im no even getting 1MB/s | 14:37 |
| map | any suggestions for something/somewhere to download from? doesnt matter what it is | 14:38 |
| penguin42 | well what happens if you just drop the de. ? | 14:39 |
| penguin42 | oh actually, that's going to the same host | 14:39 |
| * penguin42 suspects it's doing something clever there | 14:40 | |
| map | not sure where it went to | 14:40 |
| map | :) | 14:40 |
| * penguin42 was going to sugges mirrorservice.org but for some reason it only has the ppc server isos of 14.10 | 14:41 | |
| map | thats ok though | 14:41 |
| penguin42 | map: Well for a bandwidth test, http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/utopic/release/ | 14:41 |
| penguin42 | map: I'd bet your problem is just the bandwidth to the mainland | 14:42 |
| map | surely to spain i should be fine then | 14:42 |
| map | even on speedtest running a test from a site in Malaga or anywhere..max 20 | 14:43 |
| map | lol 240kb/s | 14:43 |
| penguin42 | map: Try france or portugal | 14:46 |
| map | willl do ta | 14:46 |
| shauno | I'd expect better service to the UK, tbh | 14:47 |
| penguin42 | shauno: Yeh, I was just seeing the list of landing points for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe_India_Gateway it does have UK, but also Portugal and France, but not Spain | 14:47 |
| shauno | and this is why uni tell you off for citing wiki :) | 14:50 |
| map | possibly due to spain not recognising gibralar as a country | 14:50 |
| shauno | https://www.europeindiagateway.com/webclient/common/html/aboutus.html | 14:50 |
| shauno | they list gibraltar as one of the landing points, and gibtelecom are one of the part-owners | 14:51 |
| map | hm | 14:51 |
| map | so whys it son rubbish;[ | 14:51 |
| shauno | no idea at all. I just assumed you'd get better traffic down the cable, than over a disputed border (speculation) | 14:52 |
| penguin42 | map: Because the whole of gibraltar is using it to surf the net on a quiet sunday afternoon, and most of the rest of the world is using it to bet using gibraltar betting companies | 14:53 |
| map | lol | 14:53 |
| map | but what about when its 4am and it sucks | 14:54 |
| shauno | there's a good chance it simply sucks :) | 14:54 |
| map | ja | 14:54 |
| map | gonna have to contaCT THEM as its mad expensive too | 14:54 |
| map | 73 a month | 14:54 |
| map | why pay that for this rubbish | 14:54 |
| shauno | c&w, at&t, both owned massive infrastructure but were still pretty lousy as residential ISPs | 14:54 |
| map | 16mbit is only 28 quid..so may aswell switch to that if it doesnt get better? | 14:56 |
| penguin42 | map: What difference do you get in the upload bandwidth if you drop down to 16mbit? | 14:58 |
| map | it just says download 16Mbps upload 16=.6 | 15:00 |
| shauno | what happens if you pay for 16 and get a quarter of that instead? | 15:00 |
| map | well | 15:01 |
| penguin42 | map: Yeh make sure you know what you're gettting upload; .6mbps would be a bit grim compared to your current supposed 13 | 15:01 |
| map | il be annoyed again | 15:01 |
| map | im figuring they cant meet 100mbit requirements | 15:01 |
| map | but more likely to get full speed on 16? | 15:02 |
| shauno | perhaps you have someone like me as your nextdoor neighbour :) | 15:02 |
| map | ;] | 15:04 |
| daftykins | Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]:I13.410 / 100.016 | 15:50 |
| daftykins | map: yeah that's kbps, because in Gibraltar, a period is used as a comma for numbers | 15:50 |
| daftykins | you should really check the actual line sync rate still | 15:50 |
| daftykins | looks like it's connected and provisioned at the correct speed, maybe you're just trying to do too much UK stuff with it? ;) | 15:51 |
| shauno | perhaps you just need to lower your expectations now that you're living on the edge of civilization =x | 15:56 |
| shauno | (btw, is it safe to assume that your vpn plays no part in these tests?) | 15:56 |
| daftykins | i think that's just when he's at work | 15:57 |
| === davmor2_ is now known as davmor2 | ||
| shauno | I just discovere that in win7, if you grab a window and wave it around, it hides all other windows. I'm now trying to figure out the logic behind this :/ | 16:08 |
| daftykins | :D | 16:09 |
| daftykins | yeah the ol' wobble minimise and restore | 16:09 |
| shauno | but why? | 16:10 |
| daftykins | i can only imagine someone would have a tonne of junk up then want to focus on just one thing | 16:11 |
| daftykins | buuuut nope, doesn't make any sense | 16:11 |
| daftykins | could be a good boss protection thing i guess ;) | 16:11 |
| shauno | hm. I was trying to get the window to snap against the 'edge' between two monitors. I wasn't expecting that | 16:12 |
| shauno | (which also sounds like it should't work, but does work in one direction) | 16:13 |
| daftykins | yeah i always used super + d-pad | 16:14 |
| daftykins | *use | 16:14 |
| daftykins | i can't go back to Vista and before now, as they lack this :( | 16:15 |
| zmoylan-pi | well pre win 7 a humongus amount of cpu and ram was used to draw screen if only 1 pixel of 1gb file was on screen so maybe they cut a few corners :-) | 16:15 |
| daftykins | not that i want to use Vista or earlier | 16:15 |
| zmoylan-pi | or in a folder on the desktop | 16:15 |
| daftykins | i somewhat doubt that claim | 16:16 |
| zmoylan-pi | tis true, i'll try and dig up proof but take any win vista system or earlier and move 4gb from my documents to a folder on desktop and compare perfermorance before and after | 16:17 |
| shauno | daftykins: a scholar and a gentleman! super+cursors is exactly what I was looking for | 16:17 |
| daftykins | shauno: :D woohoo \o/ | 16:17 |
| zmoylan-pi | in my docs no performance hit, on desktop or in folder below desktop grind to a halt | 16:17 |
| shauno | it seems I can only do it with the mouse in one direction because the monitors aren't the same size. so I can snap up against the 'step' | 16:18 |
| daftykins | zmoylan-pi: upon doing what? browsing with an explorer window? | 16:18 |
| shauno | that reminds me of when 95 was new, and people would complain that leaving icons on the desktop "used up ram" | 16:19 |
| daftykins | is that even true 0o | 16:19 |
| zmoylan-pi | any time windows went to redraw the desktop it checked with all the apps and then had a rummage in desktop folder in windows to see what the background should look like on top of the current theme | 16:20 |
| shauno | not to any significant measure, I believe | 16:20 |
| shauno | and then we had all the scare-mongering from admins who hated us leaving stuff on the desktop because only 'my documents' was propogated to network backups | 16:20 |
| zmoylan-pi | in windows 3.x even icons on desktop used resources enough to make a difference | 16:20 |
| daftykins | ah yes Desktop content remains on-system and was never seen again | 16:21 |
| daftykins | i remember them locking down the desktop at my old College, much to the anger of those that stored desktop shortcuts or documents also | 16:21 |
| daftykins | if you wanted to run anything that wasn't on the start menu (such as cmd) you had to make your own shortcut in your user area | 16:22 |
| shauno | ours mostly worked because we habitually took the same workstations each day. so what we were told was 'wrong and didn't work', continued to work | 16:22 |
| daftykins | :D | 16:22 |
| daftykins | doesn't do much for disk failure mind you | 16:23 |
| shauno | we actually had the opposite. we had an optical link between two campuses. | 16:23 |
| zmoylan-pi | well then you're into disks spinning up and down increasing or lowering hard disk life | 16:23 |
| shauno | so whenever there was a proper sea haar, you'd find you could login to get hte stuff off your desktop - but not from 'my documents' | 16:23 |
| zmoylan-pi | differing opinions on files on desktops slowing down things. http://superuser.com/questions/30710/is-that-true-that-if-you-keep-bulky-files-on-the-desktop-then-windows-slow-down | 16:24 |
| shauno | large parts of the network were completely dependent on the weather. | 16:24 |
| daftykins | opinions? are these not people of science?! | 16:25 |
| zmoylan-pi | well ireland, weather. i'm surprised some days the electricity has made it out of power station it's so damp :-) | 16:25 |
| zmoylan-pi | we still haven't agreed that vim is the best text editor :-p | 16:25 |
| shauno | oh I didn't go to college here :) that was eons ago | 16:25 |
| shauno | have you ever noticed the 'thumbs' hidden file that you get when you've copied a folder off a windows machine? | 16:26 |
| zmoylan-pi | there were many times i drastically speeded up a crawling windows desktop by moving a few gigabytes from desktop folder to my documents. /my 2c | 16:26 |
| shauno | that file is why windows doesn't have to reindex the desktop every single time it becomes visible. such stuff is cached | 16:27 |
| foobarry | anyone on ircnet? having a problem i can't figure out. when i join, there is a bitlbee session i connect to. i can't seem to /join any chans | 17:12 |
| foobarry | hmm. ebay down for me | 17:40 |
| foobarry | oh, www.ebay.co.uk works. not without www | 17:41 |
| map | shauno, yea vpn isnt plaing part at all | 18:21 |
| map | the VPNs on 90mbit sky anyway with a decent upload so wouldnt hamper it so much? | 18:21 |
| daftykins | map: lol yes it would. | 18:27 |
| daftykins | you don't apply extra hops then speed test XD | 18:27 |
| map | sure | 18:27 |
| map | i wasnt tho;p | 18:27 |
| daftykins | you really need to try some local mirrors then | 18:27 |
| map | fixed my pi..it all comes on after a reboot/powercut | 18:27 |
| map | apache/openvpn starts automatically..iptables rules loaded and wifi connects with same ip :) | 18:28 |
| map | so if it goes wrong again il hve no idea why | 18:28 |
| map | cant see any local ones..spain best? although shauno said the gib -> spain link was crap or something? | 18:28 |
| daftykins | funnily enough my internalised database of international links doesn't cover Gibraltar (: | 18:29 |
| map | damn! | 18:29 |
| map | ;] | 18:29 |
| map | strange | 18:29 |
| map | phone couldnt get a signal..then says searching comes back as orange | 18:29 |
| map | normally only get orange es when in spain | 18:29 |
| map | and gibtel right the way until quite far in la linea | 18:29 |
| penguin42 | map: I'd make sure it's not routing via the vpn, the IP you mentioned before I tried to traceroute to went via a bet365 address which suggests perhaps it's a VPN end point? | 18:30 |
| map | penguin42, thats the work IP in UK office | 18:30 |
| map | i was uust using it as an ip to traceroute | 18:30 |
| penguin42 | map: that was a bad idea | 18:31 |
| map | speedtest in UK says the uk office is pretty fast tho | 18:31 |
| map | why? | 18:31 |
| map | i figured itd be ok to use that IP its got a decent link so surely routing is good | 18:31 |
| penguin42 | map: Routes between places don't necessarily go the same way just because they both happen to be in the same country | 18:31 |
| map | i know that:D | 18:32 |
| penguin42 | map: Especially if you have VPN stuff around | 18:32 |
| map | 900k off a mirror in Marseille | 18:32 |
| map | lol | 18:32 |
| map | il do what daftykins said to tomorrow (off work) and see what it says | 18:32 |
| map | then il have to email them..it sucks bad paying and getting like 1/5 of what i should | 18:33 |
| daftykins | well it's kind of a moot point now | 18:33 |
| map | why? | 18:33 |
| map | ive tested speed downloading isos from numerouis mirrors | 18:33 |
| map | spain/france uk kent mirror service ..250ks lol | 18:34 |
| daftykins | because your provisioned rates have to be higher than sync rates, and you've already shared those | 18:34 |
| map | ah | 18:34 |
| daftykins | so you to the ISP is fine, it's from there onwards that's up for debate | 18:34 |
| map | could it be a simple mistake their end?:Z | 18:35 |
| daftykins | doubt it | 18:35 |
| map | :( | 18:35 |
| map | so il probably never really get 100mbit speeds | 18:35 |
| map | grmpf | 18:35 |
| map | well if i get ut sirted si un bit oaying for 100 wont be too bad | 18:36 |
| daftykins | this is why you need to test from a nearby mirror | 18:37 |
| map | but theres none nearby! | 18:37 |
| map | spain is nearest geographically | 18:37 |
| daftykins | i noticed your telco's speedtest link just kinda fails | 18:38 |
| daftykins | well yeah but damn well find one :P don't just throw your hands up like an undergrad | 18:38 |
| map | lol does it thats crap | 18:39 |
| daftykins | well it did the other day | 18:39 |
| map | i cant see there being a gibraltar mirror;p | 18:39 |
| daftykins | contact them and ask for a file mirror they host in their data centre | 18:40 |
| shauno | "since you can't give me the speeds I pay for, can you at least host a mirror so we can pretend?" | 18:41 |
| daftykins | 8D | 18:41 |
| shauno | I pay for 120 and tend to get 150-180 depending on the time of day (or !day) | 18:42 |
| map | heh | 18:43 |
| daftykins | is that over cable? | 18:43 |
| shauno | which i starting to get a bit silly. you barely notice the extra 60meg | 18:43 |
| shauno | yeah | 18:43 |
| daftykins | barely notice? :) | 18:43 |
| daftykins | the rate adaptability of cable is kinda funny | 18:43 |
| shauno | it's sold as fibre, but I don't know where the fibre actually starts. it's coax at the wall | 18:44 |
| map | i expect il speak to someone who will say like 'oh its the time of day' 'or depends on what ytoure trying' - but ive tried so many diff mirrors as stated here and ive tried at 3am/4am 6am ..1pm 4pm etc | 18:45 |
| shauno | phone them up at 3am :) | 18:45 |
| penguin42 | shauno: Sounds like you're on Cable - DOCSIS? | 18:45 |
| map | heh shauno | 18:45 |
| map | :) | 18:45 |
| daftykins | everything's called fibre these days, it's one of the present day's biggest lies | 18:46 |
| map | yea | 18:46 |
| daftykins | just goes to show consumer naivety really :( | 18:46 |
| zmoylan-pi | it's right up there with unlimited and 4g :-) | 18:46 |
| map | i figure il prob email that way they can forward the email to others rather than me having to explain to one operator..then ANOTHER AND SO ON!! | 18:46 |
| daftykins | when someone says their tubes are fibre, i know they don't have a clue | 18:46 |
| map | fibre to the box | 18:46 |
| map | :D | 18:46 |
| daftykins | there are many boxes | 18:47 |
| zmoylan-pi | it's more of a trapezoid than a box :-p | 18:48 |
| map | heh | 18:51 |
| map | so everyone agreee? best for me to email my mug ISP:p | 18:51 |
| map | havent paid a bill yet and theres no direct debit payment..so i might not pay till they a) sort my speed b) lower me to a diff tarrif if they cant provide 100 as stated | 18:51 |
| daftykins | i'd ask for a testing methodology in the first instance | 18:52 |
| map | like a local mirror..then when they say..none?:D | 18:53 |
| daftykins | damn you're stubborn | 18:54 |
| brobostigon | would everyone agree, that leaving food out in the kitchen after it has been cooked for 24 hrs, is unsafe to eat? | 18:54 |
| daftykins | if they're throwing out a service their backbone links can't provide for, i would think they'd be aware of it | 18:54 |
| daftykins | brobostigon: if uncovered, it wouldn't be wise, no. depends on the environment really | 18:54 |
| map | depends on what food | 18:55 |
| map | i prob wouldn eat | 18:55 |
| brobostigon | daftykins: uncovered is not the issue, its average environmental temperature, and average bacterial growth at those temperatures, which make it unsafe. | 18:55 |
| map | me stubborn? i said if:P pfft | 18:56 |
| daftykins | i think that's going a bit deep for my interests | 18:56 |
| brobostigon | however, its fair to say, its not safe, basic logic tells me that. | 18:57 |
| daftykins | yeah i wouldn't leave food out | 18:58 |
| brobostigon | me neither. | 18:58 |
| brobostigon | after its cooled, in the fridge it goes. | 18:58 |
| map | odd that putting hot food into a fridge is bad | 18:59 |
| map | i should google and read why heh | 18:59 |
| brobostigon | bacterial growth, its too high a termperature differential. | 18:59 |
| map | i see | 18:59 |
| map | id have thought its ok though as the foods cooked | 19:00 |
| brobostigon | between the food and the fridge. | 19:00 |
| map | but yea i dont know | 19:00 |
| map | yea | 19:00 |
| map | HOMELAND TONIGHT ;D | 19:00 |
| * brobostigon admits to having studied basic food health and safety, at this point. | 19:08 | |
| daftykins | i just don't believe in leftovers | 19:10 |
| daftykins | i eat what i cook, nothing's left :D | 19:11 |
| brobostigon | agreed, if all else fails, i store things properly, to have for lunch next day, however stores proerly, and at the right times. | 19:12 |
| brobostigon | stored* | 19:12 |
| brobostigon | you dont store food in warm kitchens. | 19:12 |
| zmoylan-pi | yes you do, in tin cans, jars and dehydrated :-) | 19:21 |
| zmoylan-pi | plus cheese and honey which also work | 19:21 |
| daftykins | mmm cheese | 19:22 |
| daftykins | i'm sat here debating a shop run for junk food, to last the night | 19:22 |
| zmoylan-pi | can't go wrong with a good bit of cheese | 19:22 |
| daftykins | indeed! | 19:22 |
| zmoylan-pi | babybel cheeses go down well on gaming days with a bunch of geeks | 19:23 |
| daftykins | too small :( | 19:24 |
| zmoylan-pi | nice to nibble on | 19:24 |
| daftykins | triple the diameter, then we're talking! | 19:25 |
| brobostigon | cheese you store in the fridge. and tins and cans, are vacuum sealed with all bacteria dead inside. | 19:25 |
| shauno | but cheese is yummy bacteria? | 19:26 |
| zmoylan-pi | that's why spam is popular in hawaii, stores well in warm climate | 19:27 |
| === roht is now known as wadzi | ||
| shauno | had to laugh at this on reddit; "I have a mechanical keyboard and the key doesn't work, lease hel" | 20:25 |
| zmoylan-pi | can i have a p please bob? | 20:25 |
| daftykins | zmoylan-pi: not after last time | 20:26 |
| zmoylan-pi | who here hasn't looked at the error on a computer screen 'keyboard not attached, press a key to continue' and felt a little despair :-) | 20:44 |
| daftykins | zmoylan-pi: honestly whoever came up with that needs to own up | 21:25 |
| shauno | I dunno. mine just makes a sad face. it's not a huge improvement | 21:26 |
| zmoylan-pi | at least to collect a special sadist award for cruelty :-) | 21:30 |
| daftykins | do you guys have any ideas as to when halt on keyboard is even desirable? | 21:33 |
| shauno | all the times! how else are you going to press F1 | 21:34 |
| daftykins | =[ | 21:34 |
| shauno | I dunno. the silly part is that ps/2 isn't meant to be hot-plugged | 21:36 |
| daftykins | :D | 21:36 |
| daftykins | i wish my mechanical still used PS/2 | 21:37 |
| shauno | so it seems kinda silly having a screen asking you to insert a keyboard | 21:37 |
| zmoylan-pi | i think it was meant for when a system might be set up as a novell server and you would want to down the server properly with no files open/locked so that you didn't want it to start with no keyboard attached. /i think/... | 21:41 |
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