=== zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi [04:33] hi all === OERIAS2 is now known as OERIAS === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [10:46] morning boys and girls. [10:49] sup [10:50] morning vad3rman1156 === roht is now known as wadzi [14:22] Ovo (eelc supplier) have an interesting account system; you earn interest on overpayments, and can extract money before the end of the term [14:22] thats decent [14:22] if im ever in credit at eon its a right pain getting it back [14:24] yeh, it's just taken nearly 2 months to extract the end of contract credit from Flow gas [14:24] I tend to change supplier each year [14:24] i usually dont just because of the hassle [14:25] I think it's saving me money changing, althoguh frankly it's hard to tell [14:26] im gonna have to send my email later this week [14:26] paying for 100mbit getting like 20mbit speed max [14:26] what on? [14:26] although il need to do what daftykins said at some point [14:26] hat do you mean what on [14:26] what isp/connectivity/technology? [14:26] gibtelecom [14:26] says fibre [14:26] ah [14:27] like now download 10.51 [14:27] lol [14:27] yeh well you're probably sharing gig among your segment - but what's the link back to the mainland? [14:27] ]no idea tbh [14:27] i get that its shared and 'upto 100' but even at 3/4am [14:27] max 20 [14:27] no point paying for 100 if im not getting ANYWHERE close [14:28] try a traceroute and see if you can figure it out [14:28] map: and where are you downloading from? [14:29] ive tried nearest possible mirrors for isos [14:29] also tried speedtest [14:29] traceroute to where anywhere in particular..google.co.uk? [14:29] map: I'd be happy to try and do a compare from my supposed 50/60mbps cable [14:29] map: The place you're downloading from [14:30] DSL Type: ITU-T G.993.2 Annex B (VDSL2) [14:30] Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]: 13.410 / 100.016 [14:30] Data Transferred (Sent/Received) [B/B]: 0 / 0 [14:30] oh, that's not fibre, that's VDSL [14:30] yea [14:30] but the site said fibre [14:31] https://www.gibtele.com/fibrebroadband/ [14:31] yeh most of the UK places advertise as fibre, but that's fibre to the cabinet - but still, where did that info come from - your modem? [14:31] (I made a complaint to advertising standards about 10 years ago when they started doing that but they didn't get it) [14:31] yea jusgt logged into the router [14:32] dont get that tho [14:32] what speed does it think its connecting at? [14:32] map: OK, so something in the router thinks you're on 100Mbps [14:32] il try and find a spanish mirror and test [14:32] hmm, actually no those numbers don't quite make sense - although they might if you assume it's mbps not kbps [14:32] whys it say kbps? just an error with the page i guess [14:32] yea [14:32] yeh [14:33] map: Are you sure it's not the mirror ? What exactly are you trying to download from where? [14:33] ubuntu isos just a big file to test [14:33] not sure where else to use to test besides mirrors? [14:34] which mirror are you using? [14:34] sec [14:34] 81.94.213.9 gona try tracert to that [14:35] took quite a while to get there [14:36] http://de.releases.ubuntu.com/utopic/ [14:36] * penguin42 wonders where that actually is [14:36] what speed do you get off there..700ks here;[ [14:36] its works IP address in the UK [14:37] well that's probably in Germany? [14:37] yea it is [14:37] i cant find anywhere closer now [14:37] not sure where to use to try and test [14:37] that's giving about 6MByte/sec - so about 50Mbps [14:37] yea see thats decent [14:37] im no even getting 1MB/s [14:38] any suggestions for something/somewhere to download from? doesnt matter what it is [14:39] well what happens if you just drop the de. ? [14:39] oh actually, that's going to the same host [14:40] * penguin42 suspects it's doing something clever there [14:40] not sure where it went to [14:40] :) [14:41] * penguin42 was going to sugges mirrorservice.org but for some reason it only has the ppc server isos of 14.10 [14:41] thats ok though [14:41] map: Well for a bandwidth test, http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/utopic/release/ [14:42] map: I'd bet your problem is just the bandwidth to the mainland [14:42] surely to spain i should be fine then [14:43] even on speedtest running a test from a site in Malaga or anywhere..max 20 [14:43] lol 240kb/s [14:46] map: Try france or portugal [14:46] willl do ta [14:47] I'd expect better service to the UK, tbh [14:47] shauno: Yeh, I was just seeing the list of landing points for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe_India_Gateway it does have UK, but also Portugal and France, but not Spain [14:50] and this is why uni tell you off for citing wiki :) [14:50] possibly due to spain not recognising gibralar as a country [14:50] https://www.europeindiagateway.com/webclient/common/html/aboutus.html [14:51] they list gibraltar as one of the landing points, and gibtelecom are one of the part-owners [14:51] hm [14:51] so whys it son rubbish;[ [14:52] no idea at all. I just assumed you'd get better traffic down the cable, than over a disputed border (speculation) [14:53] map: Because the whole of gibraltar is using it to surf the net on a quiet sunday afternoon, and most of the rest of the world is using it to bet using gibraltar betting companies [14:53] lol [14:54] but what about when its 4am and it sucks [14:54] there's a good chance it simply sucks :) [14:54] ja [14:54] gonna have to contaCT THEM as its mad expensive too [14:54] 73 a month [14:54] why pay that for this rubbish [14:54] c&w, at&t, both owned massive infrastructure but were still pretty lousy as residential ISPs [14:56] 16mbit is only 28 quid..so may aswell switch to that if it doesnt get better? [14:58] map: What difference do you get in the upload bandwidth if you drop down to 16mbit? [15:00] it just says download 16Mbps upload 16=.6 [15:00] what happens if you pay for 16 and get a quarter of that instead? [15:01] well [15:01] map: Yeh make sure you know what you're gettting upload; .6mbps would be a bit grim compared to your current supposed 13 [15:01] il be annoyed again [15:01] im figuring they cant meet 100mbit requirements [15:02] but more likely to get full speed on 16? [15:02] perhaps you have someone like me as your nextdoor neighbour :) [15:04] ;] [15:50] Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]:I13.410 / 100.016 [15:50] map: yeah that's kbps, because in Gibraltar, a period is used as a comma for numbers [15:50] you should really check the actual line sync rate still [15:51] looks like it's connected and provisioned at the correct speed, maybe you're just trying to do too much UK stuff with it? ;) [15:56] perhaps you just need to lower your expectations now that you're living on the edge of civilization =x [15:56] (btw, is it safe to assume that your vpn plays no part in these tests?) [15:57] i think that's just when he's at work === davmor2_ is now known as davmor2 [16:08] I just discovere that in win7, if you grab a window and wave it around, it hides all other windows. I'm now trying to figure out the logic behind this :/ [16:09] :D [16:09] yeah the ol' wobble minimise and restore [16:10] but why? [16:11] i can only imagine someone would have a tonne of junk up then want to focus on just one thing [16:11] buuuut nope, doesn't make any sense [16:11] could be a good boss protection thing i guess ;) [16:12] hm. I was trying to get the window to snap against the 'edge' between two monitors. I wasn't expecting that [16:13] (which also sounds like it should't work, but does work in one direction) [16:14] yeah i always used super + d-pad [16:14] *use [16:15] i can't go back to Vista and before now, as they lack this :( [16:15] well pre win 7 a humongus amount of cpu and ram was used to draw screen if only 1 pixel of 1gb file was on screen so maybe they cut a few corners :-) [16:15] not that i want to use Vista or earlier [16:15] or in a folder on the desktop [16:16] i somewhat doubt that claim [16:17] tis true, i'll try and dig up proof but take any win vista system or earlier and move 4gb from my documents to a folder on desktop and compare perfermorance before and after [16:17] daftykins: a scholar and a gentleman! super+cursors is exactly what I was looking for [16:17] shauno: :D woohoo \o/ [16:17] in my docs no performance hit, on desktop or in folder below desktop grind to a halt [16:18] it seems I can only do it with the mouse in one direction because the monitors aren't the same size. so I can snap up against the 'step' [16:18] zmoylan-pi: upon doing what? browsing with an explorer window? [16:19] that reminds me of when 95 was new, and people would complain that leaving icons on the desktop "used up ram" [16:19] is that even true 0o [16:20] any time windows went to redraw the desktop it checked with all the apps and then had a rummage in desktop folder in windows to see what the background should look like on top of the current theme [16:20] not to any significant measure, I believe [16:20] and then we had all the scare-mongering from admins who hated us leaving stuff on the desktop because only 'my documents' was propogated to network backups [16:20] in windows 3.x even icons on desktop used resources enough to make a difference [16:21] ah yes Desktop content remains on-system and was never seen again [16:21] i remember them locking down the desktop at my old College, much to the anger of those that stored desktop shortcuts or documents also [16:22] if you wanted to run anything that wasn't on the start menu (such as cmd) you had to make your own shortcut in your user area [16:22] ours mostly worked because we habitually took the same workstations each day. so what we were told was 'wrong and didn't work', continued to work [16:22] :D [16:23] doesn't do much for disk failure mind you [16:23] we actually had the opposite. we had an optical link between two campuses. [16:23] well then you're into disks spinning up and down increasing or lowering hard disk life [16:23] so whenever there was a proper sea haar, you'd find you could login to get hte stuff off your desktop - but not from 'my documents' [16:24] differing opinions on files on desktops slowing down things. http://superuser.com/questions/30710/is-that-true-that-if-you-keep-bulky-files-on-the-desktop-then-windows-slow-down [16:24] large parts of the network were completely dependent on the weather. [16:25] opinions? are these not people of science?! [16:25] well ireland, weather. i'm surprised some days the electricity has made it out of power station it's so damp :-) [16:25] we still haven't agreed that vim is the best text editor :-p [16:25] oh I didn't go to college here :) that was eons ago [16:26] have you ever noticed the 'thumbs' hidden file that you get when you've copied a folder off a windows machine? [16:26] there were many times i drastically speeded up a crawling windows desktop by moving a few gigabytes from desktop folder to my documents. /my 2c [16:27] that file is why windows doesn't have to reindex the desktop every single time it becomes visible. such stuff is cached [17:12] anyone on ircnet? having a problem i can't figure out. when i join, there is a bitlbee session i connect to. i can't seem to /join any chans [17:40] hmm. ebay down for me [17:41] oh, www.ebay.co.uk works. not without www [18:21] shauno, yea vpn isnt plaing part at all [18:21] the VPNs on 90mbit sky anyway with a decent upload so wouldnt hamper it so much? [18:27] map: lol yes it would. [18:27] you don't apply extra hops then speed test XD [18:27] sure [18:27] i wasnt tho;p [18:27] you really need to try some local mirrors then [18:27] fixed my pi..it all comes on after a reboot/powercut [18:28] apache/openvpn starts automatically..iptables rules loaded and wifi connects with same ip :) [18:28] so if it goes wrong again il hve no idea why [18:28] cant see any local ones..spain best? although shauno said the gib -> spain link was crap or something? [18:29] funnily enough my internalised database of international links doesn't cover Gibraltar (: [18:29] damn! [18:29] ;] [18:29] strange [18:29] phone couldnt get a signal..then says searching comes back as orange [18:29] normally only get orange es when in spain [18:29] and gibtel right the way until quite far in la linea [18:30] map: I'd make sure it's not routing via the vpn, the IP you mentioned before I tried to traceroute to went via a bet365 address which suggests perhaps it's a VPN end point? [18:30] penguin42, thats the work IP in UK office [18:30] i was uust using it as an ip to traceroute [18:31] map: that was a bad idea [18:31] speedtest in UK says the uk office is pretty fast tho [18:31] why? [18:31] i figured itd be ok to use that IP its got a decent link so surely routing is good [18:31] map: Routes between places don't necessarily go the same way just because they both happen to be in the same country [18:32] i know that:D [18:32] map: Especially if you have VPN stuff around [18:32] 900k off a mirror in Marseille [18:32] lol [18:32] il do what daftykins said to tomorrow (off work) and see what it says [18:33] then il have to email them..it sucks bad paying and getting like 1/5 of what i should [18:33] well it's kind of a moot point now [18:33] why? [18:33] ive tested speed downloading isos from numerouis mirrors [18:34] spain/france uk kent mirror service ..250ks lol [18:34] because your provisioned rates have to be higher than sync rates, and you've already shared those [18:34] ah [18:34] so you to the ISP is fine, it's from there onwards that's up for debate [18:35] could it be a simple mistake their end?:Z [18:35] doubt it [18:35] :( [18:35] so il probably never really get 100mbit speeds [18:35] grmpf [18:36] well if i get ut sirted si un bit oaying for 100 wont be too bad [18:37] this is why you need to test from a nearby mirror [18:37] but theres none nearby! [18:37] spain is nearest geographically [18:38] i noticed your telco's speedtest link just kinda fails [18:38] well yeah but damn well find one :P don't just throw your hands up like an undergrad [18:39] lol does it thats crap [18:39] well it did the other day [18:39] i cant see there being a gibraltar mirror;p [18:40] contact them and ask for a file mirror they host in their data centre [18:41] "since you can't give me the speeds I pay for, can you at least host a mirror so we can pretend?" [18:41] 8D [18:42] I pay for 120 and tend to get 150-180 depending on the time of day (or !day) [18:43] heh [18:43] is that over cable? [18:43] which i starting to get a bit silly. you barely notice the extra 60meg [18:43] yeah [18:43] barely notice? :) [18:43] the rate adaptability of cable is kinda funny [18:44] it's sold as fibre, but I don't know where the fibre actually starts. it's coax at the wall [18:45] i expect il speak to someone who will say like 'oh its the time of day' 'or depends on what ytoure trying' - but ive tried so many diff mirrors as stated here and ive tried at 3am/4am 6am ..1pm 4pm etc [18:45] phone them up at 3am :) [18:45] shauno: Sounds like you're on Cable - DOCSIS? [18:45] heh shauno [18:45] :) [18:46] everything's called fibre these days, it's one of the present day's biggest lies [18:46] yea [18:46] just goes to show consumer naivety really :( [18:46] it's right up there with unlimited and 4g :-) [18:46] i figure il prob email that way they can forward the email to others rather than me having to explain to one operator..then ANOTHER AND SO ON!! [18:46] when someone says their tubes are fibre, i know they don't have a clue [18:46] fibre to the box [18:46] :D [18:47] there are many boxes [18:48] it's more of a trapezoid than a box :-p [18:51] heh [18:51] so everyone agreee? best for me to email my mug ISP:p [18:51] havent paid a bill yet and theres no direct debit payment..so i might not pay till they a) sort my speed b) lower me to a diff tarrif if they cant provide 100 as stated [18:52] i'd ask for a testing methodology in the first instance [18:53] like a local mirror..then when they say..none?:D [18:54] damn you're stubborn [18:54] would everyone agree, that leaving food out in the kitchen after it has been cooked for 24 hrs, is unsafe to eat? [18:54] if they're throwing out a service their backbone links can't provide for, i would think they'd be aware of it [18:54] brobostigon: if uncovered, it wouldn't be wise, no. depends on the environment really [18:55] depends on what food [18:55] i prob wouldn eat [18:55] daftykins: uncovered is not the issue, its average environmental temperature, and average bacterial growth at those temperatures, which make it unsafe. [18:56] me stubborn? i said if:P pfft [18:56] i think that's going a bit deep for my interests [18:57] however, its fair to say, its not safe, basic logic tells me that. [18:58] yeah i wouldn't leave food out [18:58] me neither. [18:58] after its cooled, in the fridge it goes. [18:59] odd that putting hot food into a fridge is bad [18:59] i should google and read why heh [18:59] bacterial growth, its too high a termperature differential. [18:59] i see [19:00] id have thought its ok though as the foods cooked [19:00] between the food and the fridge. [19:00] but yea i dont know [19:00] yea [19:00] HOMELAND TONIGHT ;D [19:08] * brobostigon admits to having studied basic food health and safety, at this point. [19:10] i just don't believe in leftovers [19:11] i eat what i cook, nothing's left :D [19:12] agreed, if all else fails, i store things properly, to have for lunch next day, however stores proerly, and at the right times. [19:12] stored* [19:12] you dont store food in warm kitchens. [19:21] yes you do, in tin cans, jars and dehydrated :-) [19:21] plus cheese and honey which also work [19:22] mmm cheese [19:22] i'm sat here debating a shop run for junk food, to last the night [19:22] can't go wrong with a good bit of cheese [19:22] indeed! [19:23] babybel cheeses go down well on gaming days with a bunch of geeks [19:24] too small :( [19:24] nice to nibble on [19:25] triple the diameter, then we're talking! [19:25] cheese you store in the fridge. and tins and cans, are vacuum sealed with all bacteria dead inside. [19:26] but cheese is yummy bacteria? [19:27] that's why spam is popular in hawaii, stores well in warm climate === roht is now known as wadzi [20:25] had to laugh at this on reddit; "I have a mechanical keyboard and the key doesn't work, lease hel" [20:25] can i have a p please bob? [20:26] zmoylan-pi: not after last time [20:44] who here hasn't looked at the error on a computer screen 'keyboard not attached, press a key to continue' and felt a little despair :-) [21:25] zmoylan-pi: honestly whoever came up with that needs to own up [21:26] I dunno. mine just makes a sad face. it's not a huge improvement [21:30] at least to collect a special sadist award for cruelty :-) [21:33] do you guys have any ideas as to when halt on keyboard is even desirable? [21:34] all the times! how else are you going to press F1 [21:34] =[ [21:36] I dunno. the silly part is that ps/2 isn't meant to be hot-plugged [21:36] :D [21:37] i wish my mechanical still used PS/2 [21:37] so it seems kinda silly having a screen asking you to insert a keyboard [21:41] i think it was meant for when a system might be set up as a novell server and you would want to down the server properly with no files open/locked so that you didn't want it to start with no keyboard attached. /i think/...