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jussiwow, trello updates02:58
sgclarkI am in the US hehe02:58
sgclarkand off to bed03:26
Quintasanyofel: Happy Birthday!06:41
valorieoooo, birthday!06:44
valoriehappy birthday, yofel06:44
valorieQuintasan: I solved my redshift issue06:45
QuintasanOh, nice, how did you do it?06:45
QuintasanI still did not upgrade the package in vivid so if there is a bug and I can incorporate the fix I could fix two bugs now.06:45
valorieyou can read either the bug report or my blog about it for details06:45
valoriebut in essence just created a config file manually and call it at startup06:46
valorieI didn't know it was a cli application06:46
Quintasanvalorie: Mind giving me a link?06:46
valoriehttp://linuxgrandma.blogspot.com/2014/11/filing-bug-reports-for-fun-and-profit.html06:47
valoriehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/redshift/+bug/138692006:48
ubottuUbuntu bug 1386920 in redshift (Ubuntu) "redshift is installed, but does not show in menus, and will not start" [Undecided,Invalid]06:48
valorieI should have linked to that in the blogpost06:48
Quintasanvalorie: Doesn't plasma-widget-redshift work with Plasma 5?06:48
valorieI don't think so06:49
valorieit is installed, but would not show up06:50
valoriethe gtk version showed up for a brief moment before crashing06:50
Quintasanvalorie: What's the location-provider you have there? Still manual?06:50
valorieyes06:50
valorienobody had any help for geoclue06:51
QuintasanThat's not really something I can incorporate in  packaging then.06:51
valorieand really, it is just a lat/long I needed 06:51
valorieor rather, it needs06:51
valorieyeah, not sure what provider would work06:52
valorieI don't see why it doesn't just use locale or something, but what do I know06:52
valorieseems like the widget could have a setup kcm, like the weather widget06:53
valoriethat said, I've not gotten a weather widget yet06:53
valorieI miss weather, and the moon06:54
valorieand pastebin06:54
soeegood morning07:27
lordievaderGood morning.08:32
macstar_ again my question is this ppa still maintained? https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/ubuntu/kf509:00
lordievadermacstar_: I think most work goes into maintaining the Kubuntu Next PPA. But that is not to say this is no longer maintained. Riddell ^09:02
macstar_lordievader thx, i was just wondering since the last update came at 30th october and before that it came on a daily basis09:03
lordievadermacstar_: Seeing 15.04 will see Plasma5 as default it might be that it is backported to 14.04. But I'm not sure of that ;)09:05
macstar_i hope :) because thx to the project neon 5 ppa i can run plasma5 next to kde4/kubuntu 14.04 and i would like to continue that way 09:06
sgclarkmorning09:12
lordievaderHey sgclark, how are you?09:14
sgclarkgood, yourself?09:15
Riddellhi macstar_, neon is being turned off there's no changes to that PPA09:16
lordievaderDoing good :)09:16
lordievaderAh good to know, thanks Riddell.09:16
macstar_riddell oh is it? :( any idea if there is a way that i can continue getting the latest/daily plasma5 packages via a ppa for kubuntu 14.04?09:17
Riddellmacstar_: the neon PPA will probably still work fine, it runs automatically anyway, otherwise you'll need to move to 14.10 and use https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable09:26
apacheloggerneon does not do builds anymore09:44
apacheloggerppa is going away today entirely09:44
macstar_oh no :(09:49
macstar_i won't ditch kubuntu 14.04 ... so my next best option would be to install 14.10 alongside it and update via ppa right09:50
Riddellmacstar_: why won't you ditch 14.04?09:51
macstar_riddell it runs too fine and is a LTS09:51
Riddelland yet you want the latest git?  those are pretty contradictory09:55
macstar_as long as i can run plasma5 just next to kde4 i don't think so..... i loved the way project neon 5 ppas let me chose from login if i wanted use plasma5 or kde4 so could still following plasma5 progress while not really touching my perfectly working kde409:56
santa_macstar_: what about installing the plasma5 in a virtualbox machine?10:07
macstar_santa_ yep that would be an option as well10:07
santa_shadeslayer: hi, mail sent to kubuntu-devel as we discussed, but it's waiting in the moderator queue10:41
shadeslayerRiddell: ^^10:42
* Riddell looks10:53
Riddellsanta_: approved10:53
Riddellsgclark: you're down to merge liblog-log4perl-perl says https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html10:54
sgclarkhuh?10:54
santa_Riddell: thnx10:55
Riddellsanta_: seem you're the last person to modify it, a random package to get stuck with :)10:55
Riddellkubotu: newversion kio 5.4.010:57
kubotuhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/138878410:57
Riddellall new frameworks to package! and backport I guess10:58
santa_and port to siduction :P10:58
sgclarkRiddell: I sent my changes to ScottK for liblog-log4perl-perl as he was the one I was working with on that.11:31
Riddellsgclark: right, and now it needs merged and it's got your name on it :)11:39
sgclarkRiddell: right I merged it and sent the results to ScottK11:39
sgclarksince no one wants to sponsor me :(11:40
Riddellsgclark: oh you did that already? cool11:40
sgclarkyes11:40
RiddellI still need to review your akonadi merge11:41
Riddelland read my e-mail so I know to put in a word for your dev application11:41
shadeslayersanta_: not sure why you would see that error btw11:44
santa_shadeslayer: yeah, in any case I wouldn't say it's right to use that function without importing it first11:47
santa_I'm not a perl expert though11:47
shadeslayerYeah of course, but why do we not see that error in Kubuntu / Debian11:48
santa_I could not reproduce it in kubuntu, but I do in debian11:50
santa_I mean, siduction's kdenext packages are built in a debian sid chroot as it can be seen in the build log11:51
santa_i.e. debian's people will hit this sooner or later and they will have to fix it if it isn't already11:52
shadeslayersanta_: and I can assure you that pkg-kde-tools from git master in Debian and ECM from git master very much work11:52
shadeslayerOn debian sid11:52
shadeslayersanta_: which branch of the packaging are you building ?11:53
santa_shadeslayer: ah, I used the kubuntu-kf5 branch, since I need other changes you made11:53
shadeslayerThat should be fine .. Probably11:54
shadeslayersanta_: try using master11:54
shadeslayerI merged kf5 support11:54
santa_oh btw11:54
santa_maybe you forgot to push the 'kf5' branch?11:55
apacheloggerfwiw, the proposed fix is meh anyway, should be qw(error dpkg_architecture_value)11:55
santa_or is that branch obsolete and only master and kubuntu-kf5 are relevant now?11:55
shadeslayerKf5 branch should be gone11:56
santa_ok11:56
shadeslayerOnly master and kubuntu-kf5 are relevant11:56
shadeslayersanta_: note that I moved to git.Debian.org11:56
santa_yeah, I noticed11:57
santa_I have adapted all my stuff to work with the packaging there11:57
santa_everything built almost fine here, except for a few issues11:57
shadeslayerI would have been very surprised if it hadn't11:58
shadeslayerAlso, I would recommend using the Kubuntu_unstable branch11:58
shadeslayerIf you want to build from git11:59
shadeslayerI am unsure of the state of mater11:59
shadeslayer*master11:59
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santa_there's usually a few glitches here and there when porting12:00
santa_like 1-3 packages needing some fix12:00
santa_right now I'm building from the utopic branch12:00
santa_I don't plan to provide git based packages in the short term12:01
shadeslayerHm ... Not sure about the utopic branch12:01
apacheloggerdpkg-buildpackage: warning: this is currently a non-fatal warning with -S, but will probably become fatal in the future12:03
apacheloggerI really love how it has been saying this for the past 7 years12:03
apacheloggerdoesn't seem to be quite as probable xD12:03
shadeslayerLol12:04
santa_https://reviewboard.kde.org/r/120956/12:13
santa_↑ just in case you hit the same problem12:13
shadeslayerThat patch is wrong12:13
shadeslayerIts broken in Debian12:14
shadeslayerAnd Sune hasn't fixed it yet12:14
shadeslayerSo I will just push my stopgap fix for now I guess12:14
santa_really?12:14
santa_how is broken in debian?12:15
shadeslayerYes, one of the patches in Debian changes the folder for the headers 12:15
shadeslayerIts one of the 3-4 patches in the package, can't recall the name off the top of my head12:15
shadeslayerGrep for Sune in Debian/patches xD12:16
santa_already seen it12:17
santa_so what's your stopgap fix?12:17
shadeslayerYour patch in the Debian packaging12:18
santa_seems legit12:24
apacheloggerkonsole gives me a headache12:25
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apacheloggershadeslayer: how should we transit to konsole git without breaking konsolekpart in utopic? :/12:26
apacheloggerit's madness12:26
shadeslayerWouldn't CI version be more than the version in utopic and we can just properly breaks/recommends ?12:28
shadeslayerReplaces12:28
shadeslayerI meant replaces12:28
apacheloggershadeslayer: yeah, but we need the kpart of konsole412:29
apacheloggerotherwise yakuake, kile, kate, krusader, kdevelop and dolphin have no terminal12:29
santa_shadeslayer: ... aaand the last issue I didn't mentioned already; in baloo-kf5 you renamed libkf5baloocore1 as libkf5baloo1 and also you removed other library, however in my latest build i didn't see any library change, what happened?12:31
BluesKajHiyas all12:32
santa_apachelogger: btw, what's this http://paste.kde.org/phyztmjww ?12:32
apacheloggerfilemeta is a plasma tar12:33
santa_ahhh, ok12:34
shadeslayerapachelogger: your approach from debian-qt-kde earlier seemed sensible12:44
apacheloggershadeslayer: that doesn't fly for CI though12:50
apacheloggeror well, it'd be super messy12:50
shadeslayerWhy?12:50
apacheloggerwe'd have to put the archive konsole with a split in the CI PPA and make sure all other PPAs get a split version as well12:50
apacheloggerand then we'd need to put all dependees with adjusted relationship into the PPA as well and again make sure that all version bumps in PPAs or the archive carry the relationship change as well12:51
apacheloggerotherwise konsole4-kpart will not get installed and stuff breaks12:51
shadeslayerWhy not split it in the archive12:52
apacheloggershadeslayer: in utopic? Oo12:53
shadeslayerOh bah12:53
apacheloggerexactly12:53
shadeslayerSeems fugly then12:53
apacheloggerwe could rename the CI package to konsole512:54
apacheloggerthen in vivid simply migrate from konsole5 to konsole12:54
apacheloggeractually12:54
apacheloggerthat wouldn't help either12:54
apacheloggerthere's stil the file conflicts between the two versions12:55
shadeslayerYep12:55
shadeslayerHm hm12:55
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shadeslayerI dont think you have too many options here12:56
apacheloggerwell12:56
apacheloggerfor utopic we could possibly cheat 12:56
apacheloggername it konsole5 and dpkg-divert all conflicting files 12:57
apacheloggerthat way konsole5 will bend usr/bin/konsole(4) out of the way without having a conflict12:57
apacheloggerof course diverts are very fragile and shit12:57
shadeslayerDiverting sounds like shit12:58
apacheloggerthat's the only option that scales I fear12:58
Riddellhttp://paste.kde.org/pitv1pjdl  this reply from canonical seems to miss out some data.  have they asked anyone for receipts before?13:03
Tm_Twut13:03
ScottKsgclark: on the liblog perl thing, please file a bug with the debdiff, subscribe ubuntu-sponors (the normal , non-Kubuntu way to do it) and then ping me with the bug number (because I want to be able to say in my endorsement you did it all correctly).13:22
Riddellsgclark: you should edit the first line to say what the application is for13:25
Riddellsgclark: you'll also need to do a doodle poll to organise a meeting of the kubuntu council13:26
Riddellhola Sick_Rimmit 13:30
ScottKRiddell: Is this a membership application or a kubuntu-dev application?13:30
ScottKFor the latter we need kubuntu-dev's, not the KC.13:30
Sick_RimmitRiddell: Good day sir, how u doing ?13:30
RiddellScottK: it's for kubuntu-dev13:32
RiddellSick_Rimmit: mostly awesome thanks13:32
ScottKRight, then we need a meeting of kubuntu-devs.13:32
RiddellScottK: oh yes good point, that's what I ment13:32
Riddellsgclark: you'll also need to do a doodle poll to organise a meeting of the kubuntu devs13:32
shadeslayersanta_: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/pkg-kde-tools.git/commit/?h=kubuntu-kf513:55
shadeslayershould work now I guess13:56
shadeslayernot sure why its working for CI13:56
Riddellsgclark: akonadi uploaded!14:03
Riddelland put into debian git14:03
bukaiRiddell: ping14:10
Riddellhi bukai 14:11
bukaiRiddell: Hi, should I start designing a new theme for test.kuuuubuntu.co.uk?14:12
bukai*test.kubuntu.co.uk14:12
Riddellsure, got for it if you have the skills14:12
bukaiok, I have a few ideas in mind, should I mail it to you first before I get started?14:14
Riddellbukai: e-mail the kubuntu-devel list but don't let it block you getting started14:16
Riddellshadeslayer: are you in the zone or do you want to put together the whiteboard?14:17
bukaiRiddell: ok, thanks.14:17
santa_shadeslayer: awesome, thanks, will tell you if there's still anything to fix when packaging 5.4.014:26
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sgclarkScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/liblog-log4perl-perl/+bug/138887215:25
ubottuUbuntu bug 1388872 in liblog-log4perl-perl (Ubuntu) "liblog-log4perl-perl Debian merge" [Undecided,New]15:25
Riddellgo sgclark!15:28
mkumarhi15:37
Riddellhi mkumar 15:40
RiddellScottK: bug 1384355 updated with debconf added16:06
ubottubug 1384355 in owncloud (Ubuntu) "ownCloud should be removed" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138435516:06
RiddellScottK: any idea what else should be added to bug 1378789 ?16:21
ubottubug 1378789 in kubuntu-settings (Ubuntu Trusty) "[SRU] Set the default IO scheduler to CFQ in Kubuntu Trusty" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137878916:21
Riddellmitya57: well it fixed it on arm64 but broken on ppc64el and armhf :( https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x1116:23
RiddellScottK: that marble regression doesn't look like it's anything to do with phonon, I'm minded to override it16:23
shadeslayerRiddell: IIRC required more paperwork16:24
shadeslayerah ok16:24
shadeslayerin the comment it is16:24
Riddellshadeslayer: right, I added steves requests to it, not sure if there's more paperwork to be done16:25
shadeslayeryeah I think that's it16:25
* BluesKaj wonders when akonadi can be removed/purged without taking the desktop with it...this has been pet peeve of mine for a while now. I realize the database etc are tied to the PIM package , but why is it default in the first place?16:34
sgclarkis there anither option for pim??16:35
Riddellapachelogger: ping16:35
Riddellno kontact needs akonadi and various plasma bits like to talk to that16:36
BluesKajand now we're also getting another Poettering (systemd) suite shoved down our throats16:36
Riddellwhat's wrong with that?16:36
BluesKajnot sure yet, but I don't like the sounds the nayayers are making about it and I don't much of a defence in the forums that makes systemd a good fit for the open source philosophy16:38
BluesKajdon't see16:39
sgclarkbinary driven.. but really the init system is dated and inefficient, so something had to happen. Systemd seems to have won the fisght. Not a fan of journalctl tho16:41
Riddellsgclark: what's journalctl?16:43
sgclarkto read logs16:43
sgclarkI like to cat | grep what I am looking for, jouralctl is clunky to me and over complicates things. IMO16:43
sgclarkbut as everything I will adapt and move forward lol16:44
shadeslayeryeah, but journalctl has things like from/to16:44
shadeslayerso you can look at logs for just the last hour16:44
shadeslayeror whaever16:44
sgclarklike I said I will adapt and move forward16:44
shadeslayerpretty sure you can pipe journalctl output to grep as well16:44
sgclarkcool16:45
BluesKajwell anyway , that was my rant for today :)16:45
apacheloggerRiddell: pong16:47
Riddellapachelogger: kf5 branches are currently in kubuntu_utopic_next16:48
Riddellshould I make kubuntu_vivid branches ?16:48
shadeslayershould be on demand no?16:48
Riddellshadeslayer: what what?16:48
shadeslayershould be made as required no?16:49
Riddellwell I require them16:49
RiddellI just want to make sure I'd doing the right thing16:49
Riddelland actually I already pushed so too late16:49
shadeslayerxD16:49
shadeslayerRiddell: which branch did you branch from>16:49
shadeslayer*from?16:49
Riddellfrom kubuntu_utopic_next16:50
RiddellI should have used kubuntu_unstable?16:50
shadeslayerI think so16:50
shadeslayerapachelogger: ^^16:50
sgclarkpretty sure unstable updates kubuntu_utopic_next on success16:51
shadeslayersgclark: other way around16:51
shadeslayerk_u_n gets merged into unstable on success16:51
sgclarkinteresting as he told me to update unstable. ok.16:51
shadeslayerwe need diagrams16:52
shadeslayerapachelogger: we need diagrams16:52
shadeslayerI can make one on our fancy new whiteboard :p16:52
sgclarkthat I cannot see16:52
Riddellit's ok, neither can we16:53
lordievaderLet the man make fancy diagrams on fancy whiteboards :P16:54
apacheloggeranyone wanna come over and clean my whiteboard? then I can draw diagrams :S17:01
apacheloggerRiddell: kubuntu_vivid_archive is the branch you want17:02
apacheloggerfor frameworks 4.5 or what we are at you want to branch from kubuntu_unstable17:02
apacheloggerfor plasma 4.1.x you want to branch from kubuntu_utopic_next (since we have no kubuntu_stable right now)17:02
apacheloggerfor plasma 4.2beta/rc you want to branch from kubuntu_unstable17:03
Riddellapachelogger: why kubuntu_vivid_archive? I've been using kubuntu_vivid17:03
apacheloggerRiddell: because without archive it's going to be inconsistent with kubuntu_vivid_updates kubuntu_vivid_kittens kubuntu_vivid_backports17:04
Riddellhmm, ok, I wonder what I should do about the kubuntu_vivid branches then17:04
apacheloggeralso it'll be inconsistent with kubuntu_utopic_archive which is definitely a thing we have used because of exactly that reason17:04
apacheloggerRiddell: delete them17:04
apacheloggergit push :kubuntu_vivid17:05
apachelogger(assuming there is no hook that prevents deletion)17:05
apachelogger(if there is a hook you'll have to move the hook, push, move the hook back)17:06
apachelogger(possibly there is a script for that if that is needed, or at least kde has a script, if debian doesn't then that's a bug I guess ;))17:06
Riddellseems to be fine17:12
Riddellalthough really, that is not a syntax you could predict17:13
apacheloggeryeah, it's actually to do with how git push is actually very implicit17:14
apacheloggerwhat push does in the backgroudn there is HEAD:branch, which is a refspec by saying :branch you basically push nothing to the remote17:17
Riddellcome back bzr, all is forgiven!17:17
geniiRiddell: Didn't realize you hung around in #ubuntu as well17:30
apacheloggerRiddell lurks in like a hundred channels17:30
geniiHeh, I can believe it.17:31
yofelQuintasan, valorie: thanks! :D17:38
Riddellkf5 uploaded to ninjas for vivid17:42
* Riddell wanders home17:42
sgclarkRiddell: looks like ECM was missed?18:28
santa_where is the code used to generate this http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kf5-status/ ?18:39
_Groo_i know you guys are struggling with konsole-kparts but what is this new konsole5 package similar to konsole but to which purpose i see is to break things? :D18:49
_Groo_and doesnt fix things, since yakuake still complains about missing konsole kpart :P18:50
mitya57Riddell: armhf failure looks like a result of list-missing -> fail-missing change, not sure if we want to ship that meego stuff.18:57
mitya57Anyway, will look at both failures tomorrow.18:57
yofelsanta_: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation/files -> kubuntu-ppa-build-status19:11
santa_yofel: I have been playing around with it for a while, thank you19:29
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Sick_RimmitHi Folks20:48
sgclarkhiyas20:48
* Sick_Rimmit Grins and Waves like a good Padwah20:49
Sick_RimmitHi sgclark nice to see you20:49
sgclarksame to you Sick_Rimmit20:50
Sick_RimmitReading mailing list about Plasma and KF5 in 15.04, trying to understand the process..20:59
sgclarkRiddell: I grabbed ecm from depot and put it in ninjas so I can at least work on this sea of red. I need some clarification on what branch / where it needs to be pushed to.20:59
Sick_RimmitThere is mention of SRU, which I understand is backporting to current or ealier LTS release.21:00
Sick_Rimmiton list it says apply to TB, but I don't know what TB is 21:00
Sick_RimmitAlso do we have to make application to roll out KF5 and Plasma5 in 15.10 ?21:00
* sgclark doesn't understand the question sorry21:01
* Sick_Rimmit rephasing, for less verbosity21:01
Sick_RimmitWho authorises release of KF5 and Plasma 5 in Kbuntu 15.04 ?21:02
sgclarkRiddell: ? Council ? Devs ? I don't know lol21:03
Sick_Rimmitsgclark: lol, that makes two of us :-) Hey Ho, lots to learn..21:06
yofelTB is the Technical Board21:07
yofelalso, SRU (stable release *updates*) are not backports. Our SRU Policy requires a new version to be bugfixes only, no new features. For those you can make a backport21:09
yofelFor PPA's that's of no consequence, but for the archive it decides whether an update can go into $release-updates or $release-backports21:10
yofel(or in one of them at all)21:10
soeeyofel: happy birthday if im not mistaken :)21:11
yofelsoee: nope, thanks! :D21:12
soeeha! :D21:12
sgclarkHappy Birthday yofel!21:12
yofelthanks :D21:12
Sick_RimmitThanks yofel that was really helpful21:16
santa_sgclark: only kio and plasma-framework doesn't actually build, everything else must be build depends not correctly bumped, temporary situations and such22:44
santa_also plasma-framework fails with a missing symbol, might be an abi break22:44
santa_hmmm nope, if I'm not mistaken22:47
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