[19:41] <thomi> barry: ping?
[19:41] <barry> thomi: pong
[19:42] <thomi> barry: are you able to join a hangout real quick? We're talking about OTA upgrade testing
[19:42] <barry> thomi: sure
[19:44] <barry> thomi: do you have a url?
[19:45] <thomi> barry: sorry, one moment
[20:10] <barry> thomi: will it be a while?  i could go walk the dog :)
[20:10] <thomi> barry: sorry! I forgot to tell you, we had to cancel :(
[20:10] <balloons> Letozaf_, ask away in here
[20:10] <thomi> barry: but I'm sure jfunk will talk to you about it soon :D
[20:11] <barry> thomi: okay :)
[20:11] <thomi> sorry, I should ahve mentioned it earlier
[20:11] <Letozaf_> is there a way to launch autopilot vis and autopilot launch on the device ?
[20:11] <Letozaf_> I nedd this for filemanager
[20:12] <veebers> Letozaf_: autopilot vis doesn't work on the device (purely desktop application)
[20:12] <robotfuel> Letozaf_: you can with x forwarding with ssh, but it's super unusable slow
[20:12] <veebers> Letozaf_: there is print tree (i.e. in an example test  launch app and use print tree) but it's not quite a good as vis
[20:13] <veebers> robotfuel: ah, I''ve never had that working :-)
[20:13] <robotfuel> Letozaf_: vis is a little bit usable, it's not as slow as autopilot launch
[20:14] <balloons> robotfuel, try that with the emulator?
[20:14] <robotfuel> balloons: I've only tried on a n4
[20:16] <balloons> Letozaf_, that said I would agree with everyone and question why you think you need it. There might be a way to get want you want on the desktop.. there certainly is using print_tree
[20:17] <Letozaf_> balloons, the fact is that I use autopilot vis a lot to write tests and on the desktop I do not have the same filemanager behavior as on the device
[20:18] <Letozaf_> balloons, for instance to get the places tab
[20:18] <balloons> Letozaf_, ahh.. I understand
[20:18] <balloons> Letozaf_, so there's a trick we can do to fix that :-)
[20:18] <Letozaf_> balloons, :-P what trick ?
[20:18] <balloons> Letozaf_, we can force file manager to run in small mode on the desktop
[20:18] <Letozaf_> balloons, how do you do that ? it would be great
[20:19]  * balloons feels like the keeper of secrets
[20:19] <balloons> veebers, btw did the AP release go only into vivid right? So utopic is stuck at wherever it ended
[20:20] <veebers> balloons: correct, the release (which will happen this morning) is vivid only
[20:20] <balloons> veebers, I ask because I'm writing up a post on AP features and I want to include the timeout feature
[20:21] <balloons> maybe I won't for that reason
[20:21] <veebers> balloons: ah cool :-) Yeah sorry, it didn't make it to Utopic :-(
[20:21] <balloons> veebers, it's easier actually if you don't call it 1.5 then
[20:21] <balloons> it will be 1.6 yes?
[20:23] <veebers> balloons: hmm, it'll be 1.5 as it doesn't make any backwards incompatible changes
[20:23] <balloons> veebers, right.. I feel like historically maybe we changed numbers each time a new release happened
[20:23] <balloons> I guess I can confirm / deny my theory
[20:23] <veebers> balloons: otp, will follow up in a little bit
[20:24]  * Letozaf_ is wondering if the keeper of secrets will disclose his secret :-P
[20:24] <balloons> Letozaf_, sorry, lol!
[20:24] <balloons> veebers, yea, trusty is 1.4, utopic 1.5
[20:25] <Letozaf_> balloons, lol
[20:25] <balloons> Letozaf_, so there's a switch in the main qml file that sets it one way or the other
[20:25] <balloons> there may be an argument to pass, let me check
[20:25] <balloons> otherwise you could set it manually in the qml
[20:30] <balloons> Letozaf_, indeed, pass -p or --phone
[20:30] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok let me try
[20:35] <Letozaf_> balloons, does filemanager have to be launched in a particular way as launching  autopilot3 launch -i Qt qmlscene ../../src/app/qml/filemanager.qml
[20:35] <Letozaf_> balloons, gives me file:///home/letozaf/autopilot-tests/ubuntu-filemanager-app/src/app/qml/filemanager.qml:147 Type FolderListPage unavailable
[20:35] <Letozaf_> file:///home/letozaf/autopilot-tests/ubuntu-filemanager-app/src/app/qml/ui/FolderListPage.qml:196 Cannot assign to non-existent property "onlyMTPPaths"
[20:35] <balloons> Letozaf_, filemanager is a compiled app now
[20:35] <balloons> so you should build it first, and launch the binary
[20:37] <Letozaf_> balloons, I read the README file and it says to use qtcreator is there another way to build it ? I mean cmake and make for instance?
[20:41] <balloons> Letozaf_, yes, use cmake make
[20:41] <balloons> cmake ., make
[20:41] <balloons> if you want to build in-tree that is :-)
[20:42] <Letozaf_> balloons, yay I prefere this to qtcreator :P
[22:45] <barry> nuclearbob, thomi for LP: #1381177, do you have a bootchart.tgz that triggers the bug?
[22:46] <thomi> that works as well :D
[22:46] <barry> :)
[22:46] <barry> nuclearbob_: for LP: #1381177, do you have a bootchart.tgz that triggers the bug?
[22:48]  * thomi wonders if we should be talking to nuclearbob or nuclearbob_
[22:50] <nuclearbob_> barry: I'll see if we can get one.  I don't know what type of artifact harvesting we do when the job fails
[22:55] <nuclearbob_> barry: /home/max/bootchart.tgz on chinstrap
[22:55] <barry> nuclearbob_: downloading
[22:57] <barry> nuclearbob_: okay, reproduced.  now for the fun bits
[22:58] <nuclearbob_> ooh, fun bits
[22:58] <nuclearbob_> barry: do you need me for those?  I'm reaching EOD, but I'll be out tomorrow so I'd like to wrap up what I can before I take off
[22:59] <barry> if i can only find up-to-date source :/
[22:59] <barry> nuclearbob_: no more today i think
[23:01] <thomi> nuclearbob_: thanks for that, and for your email - very helpful
[23:02] <nuclearbob_> barry, thomi: cool, let me know if you need anything else, and I'll reply as soon as I can
[23:03] <barry> well, at least pybootchartgui (where this crashes) is obsolete upstream <wink>
[23:26] <barry> thomi: do you know if max needs this in utopic or just vivid?
[23:26] <barry> i have a fix for vivid
[23:29] <thomi> barry: hmmm
[23:29] <thomi> barry: I don't know TBH
[23:30] <thomi> barry: presumably it's easy to port the fix to utopic and just have it in a PPA?
[23:30] <barry> thomi: should be.  very trivial fix.  at least so it won't crash, but i can't vouch for whether it still gives the info you want. :)
[23:30] <barry> thomi: i'm going to get some dinner then will upload this
[23:31] <thomi> barry: if it doesn't give us what we want we'll be back to torment you further :D