[04:43] <pitti> Laney: thanks for sorting out the g-s-d deps; did that creep in with debclean? i. e. weren't they commented in control.in?
[04:43] <pitti> Bonjour
[04:50] <desrt> pitti: bonjour!
[04:50] <pitti> bonjour desrt, comment vas-tu ?
[04:50] <desrt> pitti: vous êtes une femme et je suis un garçon
[04:50] <pitti> desrt: J'ai vu que tu commence apprendre français ?
[04:51] <desrt> pitti: that's all i got so far from duolingo
[04:51] <pitti> desrt: non, je suis un garçon aussi :-)
[04:51] <desrt> unless you want to eat an apple or something
[04:52] <desrt> nous avons les pommes!
[04:53] <desrt> seriously, though... this site improved a lot since i was on it last time (>2 years ago, apparently)
[04:59] <pitti> desrt: en effet
[06:15] <larsu> good morning!
[06:44] <darkxst> pitti, Laney thanks for driving the upower transition home ;)
[06:44] <pitti> hey larsu, wie gehts?
[06:44] <pitti> darkxst: yw; thanks for preparing and testing most bits already!
[06:46] <larsu> pitti: sehr gut danke! Porto war toll ;)
[06:46] <larsu> pitti: wie geht's dir?
[06:48] <darkxst> pitti, np, so we just need gtk and bluez5 at some point but not urgent
[06:48] <darkxst> larsu, how is gtk going?
[06:49] <darkxst> (I mean Bluez5 is not urgent)
[06:49] <pitti> larsu: prima, danke; wenig Schlaf :/
[06:54] <larsu> darkxst: isn't it in the desktop team ppa?
[06:55]  * larsu thought Laney was going to upload it
[06:58] <darkxst> larsu, no not yet
[07:00] <larsu> let's see if we can make that happen today, then
[07:02] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:02] <darkxst> larsu, ok
[07:03] <darkxst> seb128, morning
[07:03] <seb128> what are you guys speaking about?
[07:03] <seb128> gtk?
[07:03] <darkxst> gtk
[07:03] <seb128> larsu, your vcs has the mir backend commented out
[07:03] <seb128> we were unsure if that needs to be resolved before testing/upload
[07:03] <seb128> desrt said he gave you an update patch on pastebin
[07:05] <larsu> he did, but I didn't manage to apply it before leaving
[07:05] <larsu> I'll do that today
[07:08] <seb128> larsu, k, that's why we didn't upload it
[08:11] <didrocks> morning
[08:11] <larsu> morning didrocks!
[08:11]  * larsu <-- fast
[08:12] <didrocks> hey larsu!
[08:12] <didrocks> how were your holidays?
[08:12] <seb128> lut didrocks
[08:13] <larsu> didrocks: awesome!
[08:13] <larsu> thanks. How are you?
[08:14] <didrocks> I'm still sick (since last Wednesday)
[08:14] <didrocks> so this morning, still headache + temperature :/
[08:14] <didrocks> (not as bad as it was though)
[08:14] <didrocks> but quite tired then, didn't really enjoy the week-end
[08:14] <seb128> didrocks, :-(
[08:15] <larsu> uh oh, get better!
[08:16] <didrocks> thanks
[08:16] <larsu> also, drink more tea!
[08:16] <didrocks> yeah, well, water first…
[08:31] <mlankhorst> Hello, world!\n
[08:34] <didrocks> hey mlankhorst
[08:35] <mlankhorst> hey
[08:42] <willcooke> morning all
[08:43] <seb128> hey willcooke mlankhorst
[08:43] <mvo> good morning
[08:43] <seb128> hey mvo
[08:43] <seb128> happy monday everyone ;-)
[08:43] <mvo> hey seb128 :)
[09:04] <Laney> yo yo YO
[09:04] <seb128> hey Laney, wie gehts?
[09:04] <larsu> what up Laney
[09:05] <larsu> and hi everyone else who joined :)
[09:05] <Laney> doing good
[09:05] <Laney> a coffee man told me i looked like i'd been working out and gave me a terrorist fist bump
[09:06] <larsu> can I turn off spotify notifications?
[09:06] <larsu> Laney: nice!
[09:06]  * larsu fist-bumps Laney
[09:06] <Laney> lolz
[09:06] <Laney> how was your week off?
[09:06] <Laney> & how are you seb128 ?
[09:06] <larsu> awesome. porto is really nice
[09:07] <Laney> pitti: commented> no, in fact running clean is basically what I did
[09:07] <larsu> can recommend hanging out there
[09:07] <larsu> don't get the local speciality though. It's disgusting
[09:07] <seb128> Laney, doing good, thanks ;-)
[09:07] <larsu> kind of like poutine
[09:07] <larsu> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesinha
[09:08] <Laney> is that cheese on top?
[09:08] <larsu> ya
[09:08] <Laney> ...
[09:08] <Laney> the meat by itself looks nice
[09:08] <larsu> but it isn't
[09:09] <larsu> I ate it at the supposedly best place
[09:09] <larsu> was sick the whole day after
[09:11] <Laney> urgh
[09:11] <larsu> wow, I need to edit a config file to disable track notifications
[09:11] <larsu> what is this, 1999?
[09:28] <Laney> it's vivid time
[09:28]  * Laney stabs the pandaboard
[09:28] <Laney> I need to replace this heap of crap
[09:29] <ogra_> get a nexus5 ;)
[09:29] <ogra_> use ubuntu-touch and a chroot ... will definitely be a lot faster
[09:31] <Laney> SOLD
[09:35] <seb128> is anyone here having a unity8-desktop (desktop-next) vivid install? is unity8 still starting for you?
[09:36] <willcooke> seb128, I can install it and test
[09:37] <willcooke> seb128, is the desktop next ISO rebased on V already?  Do I just download that?
[09:38] <seb128> yes
[09:38] <seb128> that should work
[09:38] <seb128> willcooke, thanks
[09:38]  * willcooke downloads
[09:48] <didrocks> seb128: Thursday's image was starting
[09:49] <seb128> didrocks, yeah, vivid was working for me on thursday
[09:49] <seb128> I dist-upgraded today and it's not starting anymore
[10:07]  * willcooke writes the ISO to USB
[10:30] <willcooke> 15.04 installed still says "Welcome to 14.10"
[10:31] <willcooke> guess thats normal at this point
[10:31] <didrocks> yeah, the templates are updated later in the cycle
[10:31] <seb128> they can be updated now
[10:31] <seb128> it's just that nobody did it yet I guess
[10:32] <willcooke> can I do it?
[10:32] <willcooke> seems like something I could probably get my head around
[10:32] <willcooke> :)
[10:32] <didrocks> sure ;)
[10:32] <seb128> it's going to take more time figuring out what to change and how that to do the change
[10:32] <seb128> but yeah, you could do it
[10:40] <willcooke> seb128, yup - looks b0rked.  I
[10:40] <willcooke> I set up auto login from the installed
[10:40] <willcooke> I'll try again with out that
[10:41] <didrocks> seb128: want me to upgrade things one after another to see what broke it?
[10:41] <didrocks> or confirm?
[10:44] <seb128> didrocks, downgrading unity8{,-private,-common} fixes it for me so I guess it's it
[10:44] <seb128> willcooke, thanks for confirming
[10:45] <willcooke> I wish Canonical would buy this and redirect it: http://www.lauchpad.net/
[10:45] <didrocks> ok
[10:45] <willcooke> my terrible typing would be happy
[10:46] <seb128> didrocks, if you want to try/confirm that would be nice still ;-)
[10:46] <didrocks> seb128: could do, one sec
[10:53] <didrocks> seb128: confirming
[10:54] <seb128> Saviq, ^ willcooke and didrocks confirm the unity8 desktop issue
[10:55] <seb128> didrocks, thanks!
[10:55] <seb128> on that note going for lunch, back in ~1h
[11:57] <mlankhorst> morning
[11:57] <mlankhorst> erm
[11:57] <mlankhorst> afternoon* :P
[11:58] <mlankhorst> except to you brits!
[11:58] <Laney> two more minutes
[12:35] <willcooke> any ideas why this BP:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-1504-desktop-apps-on-mir
[12:35] <willcooke> isnt showing here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid
[12:35] <seb128> willcooke, because you didn't target vivid
[12:36] <seb128> willcooke, I accepted it, it's listed now
[12:36] <willcooke> is that "milestone target"?
[12:36] <seb128> willcooke, no, it's "serie goal", but you don't have enough ubuntu-foo to accept things, you can just nominate it seems
[12:37] <willcooke> ah, ok,
[12:37] <seb128> I accepted it for you
[12:37] <willcooke> thanks!
[12:37] <seb128> yw!
[12:37] <willcooke> back to the foo mine for me
[12:37] <seb128> I'm unsure what team give you those rights and if you can be add
[12:37] <willcooke> I'll find out...
[12:37] <seb128> or if that's something that comes with reward for having done enough work in Ubuntu/beeing trusted knowing the details enough
[12:37]  * Laney has these buttons too
[12:38] <larsu> willcooke: could just use seb128 as a secretary :P
[12:38] <larsu> "push this link for me please"
[12:38] <willcooke> I like that plan very much
[12:38] <willcooke> ;)
[12:38] <seb128> lol
[13:09] <seb128> Laney, do you plan to merge/update webkitgtk? just wondering if bug #1388389 is for you :-)
[13:10] <Laney> dude
[13:10] <Laney> you should check launchpad.net/builders
[13:12] <Laney> ;-)
[13:16] <Laney> seb128: back to you, what about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/1383486 ? are you SRUing it or should I?
[13:17] <seb128> Laney, I can do it, I was waiting to get feedback from vivid
[13:30] <Laney> fair enough, /me is upgrading atm so can check in a minute
[13:30]  * Laney → lunch while that grinds
[14:12] <seb128> larsu, do you have free slot to debug an unity-panel-service/indicator-messages/gtk_menu_tracker segfault?
[14:12] <larsu> sure
[14:13]  * larsu is almost done with after-sprint-and-holiday-catchup
[14:16] <seb128> larsu, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1386584 is yours
[14:16] <seb128> larsu, the u-p-s segfaults when getting a message from an IRC contact with a "|" in its name
[14:16] <seb128> confirmed on current vivid
[14:16] <larsu> wfm
[14:16] <seb128> ?
[14:17] <larsu> oops. stop.
[14:17]  * larsu read that as notify-isd
[14:17] <larsu> I'll check
[14:17] <larsu> thanks for pointing me to it
[14:17] <seb128> yw
[14:17] <seb128> I confirmed it here
[14:17] <seb128> so let me know if you need details
[14:18] <larsu> pretty sure I know the issue already
[14:18] <seb128> k
[14:18] <larsu> i-messages puts contact names into actions without escaping them
[14:18] <larsu> actually, xchat does
[14:18] <larsu> but i-messages should really check :)
[14:19] <seb128> k
[14:19] <seb128> thanks for looking at it :-)
[14:26] <larsu> Laney, desrt: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739567
[14:26] <larsu> also replied to his mail, saying I thought it's a trivial enough change
[14:28] <Laney> larsu: thanks for doing that
[14:29] <larsu> took some effort not to yell :)
[14:29] <Laney> I'm sure you will get a considered and polite response to thank you for your efforts :-)
[14:30] <larsu> :)
[14:38] <didrocks> waow, the street will be so clean!
[14:39] <didrocks> third time the clean vehicule is driving into my street today (and it's just a one-way street)
[14:39] <Laney> maybe the queen is visiting
[14:40] <seb128> maybe they want to justify being able to ask for more local tax? ;-)
[14:40] <Laney> pitti: I got a conffile prompt for upower on dist-upgrade (http://paste.debian.net/130002), any clue?
[14:40] <seb128> "but see, you can enjoy very clean streets"
[14:40] <didrocks> heh, especially when it's raining… :)
[14:40] <xnox> larsu: have you made debian/ubuntu codesearches for swear words? a bunch of them get pages of results.
[14:41] <Laney> hmm, I might have had an old 0.99 at some point
[14:41] <Laney> so maybe it's okay
[14:42] <larsu> xnox: no. chpe started a commit war and this is my reply :)
[14:44] <xnox> larsu: interesting, can you point to the source of the commit war?
[14:45] <larsu> xnox: not a war yet: https://git.gnome.org/browse/aisleriot/log
[14:45]  * Laney restarts into vivid
[14:45] <Laney> hopefully
[14:46] <xnox> larsu: "That commit was unauthorised." - LOLZ
[14:46] <larsu> xnox: ya... he sent me a nasty email too
[14:46] <larsu> xnox: he's technically right of course, but seriously...
[14:47] <larsu> he also reverted a similar thing in terminal, so I thought it's ok
[14:47] <Laney> you get stuff like this when NMUing in Debian sometimes too
[14:47] <xnox> it's like all of my patches submitted to GNOME never got applied, "because maintainer should apply them" and eventually my patches got closed with "this project was re-written in vala"
[14:47] <seb128> you usually don't NMU from an activate maintainer without talking to him first...
[14:47] <xnox> seb128: i do.
[14:48] <seb128> but blame on Laney for saying that chpe was mia when he was not ;-)
[14:48] <Laney> I didn't say that
[14:48] <seb128> I though you said he changed his bzg account to "not around anymore" or something like that
[14:48] <seb128> sorry, I probably understood that wrongly
[14:48] <Laney> It said "away, not reading bugmail"
[14:48] <Laney> or similar
[14:49] <seb128> anyway, dealing with some people is fun :p
[14:49] <xnox> "... but carefully reading commit mails"
[14:49] <larsu> :D
[14:54] <mlankhorst> willcooke: is there anyone working on rootless X yet? :P
[14:55] <mlankhorst> oh, all TODO..
[14:55] <willcooke> mlankhorst, yeah the Mir team have it all on their list.  Do you want to get involved in that?
[14:56] <seb128> (they could probably use some help with that)
[14:56] <mlankhorst> I've poked and dissected xwayland a little today, I think such a glamor-based approach could work for xmir too
[14:57] <mlankhorst> although it seems to depend on proper mir input wsup
[14:57] <mlankhorst> s/wsup/support/
[14:58] <ChrisTownsend> mlankhorst: raof has a test branch/packages that I've been using: https://launchpad.net/~raof/+archive/ubuntu/break-all-the-things
[14:58] <mlankhorst> ah
[15:00] <didrocks> typical raof's branching naming :)
[15:00] <pitti> Laney: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Mock"? might that be from a leftover installation of python-dbusmocK?
[15:00] <mlankhorst> I think a standalone XMIR has more chance of getting accepted upstream.
[15:00] <pitti> Laney: I mean, the package doesn't install that, but I guess you might have modified it locally for testing the template (as you worked on that some time ago)
[15:00] <mlankhorst> or alternatively: not a chance in hall the driver hacks will get accepted. :P
[15:01] <ChrisTownsend> I think he has some sort of plan...just not sure what it is:)
[15:01] <Laney> pitti: Hmm, maybe,, I don't remember having t o do that but if the package doesn't say anything about it then probably so
[15:01] <pitti> Laney: org.freedesktop.DBus.Mock is definitively not appearing in upower itself
[15:01] <Laney> whatever is this lag
[15:45] <Laney> seb128: http://paste.debian.net/130008
[15:45] <seb128> Laney, \o/
[15:45] <seb128> kenvandine, ^
[15:47] <kenvandine> seb128, woot!
[15:47]  * xnox ponders if i should be running vivid on my work laptop. It's on trusty at the moment, and all other machines are on utopic.
[16:37] <larsu> seb128: sorry for the wait. Added desrt's updated mir patch to lp:~larsu/gtk/gtk-3-14
[16:37] <seb128> larsu, great! you consider the update ready for review/testing?
[16:37] <larsu> seb128: I think so, yes
[16:38] <tedg> Laney, Could you look at this? https://code.launchpad.net/~albertsmuktupavels/indicator-applet/libpanel-applet-3.10+/+merge/230851
[16:39] <ochosi> hey folks!
[16:39] <seb128> hey ochosi, how are you?
[16:39] <ochosi> good good – you?
[16:39] <seb128> I'm good thanks
[16:40] <seb128> Laney, do you want to look at the new gtk from larsu or should I?
[16:40] <ochosi> cool, good to hear
[16:40] <ochosi> i wanted to ask you guys – since we talked about headerbars a few times already – whether this visual glitch could come from the headerbar-to-toolbar patch in evince: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-10-27-124835.php
[16:41] <ochosi> (note that it doesn't always happen and it goes away too if you resize the window and stuff, basically if you cause a redraw)
[16:41] <ochosi> second question being why simple scan uses a headerbar – i thought it's installed in ubuntu by default? (or at least written by robert_ancell)
[16:42] <seb128> ochosi, not sure, it's worth trying if the most recent gtk upload fixes it
[16:42] <seb128> that's in vivid and in the utopic sru queue (not approved yet)
[16:42] <ochosi> right, this is in utopic
[16:42] <ochosi> ah, 3.14 is going to utopic?
[16:42] <seb128> no
[16:42] <ochosi> ah ok, the link to larsu's branch above tricked me :)
[16:42] <seb128> I mean https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/3.12.2-0ubuntu16
[16:43] <seb128> that's a fix for the popover menu not opening under env that display the menu
[16:43] <ochosi> ah, good to know
[16:43] <ochosi> i'll look out for that one
[16:43] <seb128> which is used by evince for e.g zoom
[16:43] <seb128> dunno for the second question, did you try under Unity?
[16:43] <seb128> I think robert_ancell did unity and !unity codepaths
[16:44] <seb128> but best to check with him, I don't know much about it
[16:45] <Laney> ya, can look at 3.14
[16:45] <Laney> larsu: do you know of any theme problems?
[16:45] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[16:45] <larsu> Laney: "no"
[16:46] <ochosi> seb128: ok, i see. well i guess a !gnome codepath would be better, but i can talk about that with him
[16:50] <seb128> ochosi, yeah, talk to him, I discussed it a bit that with him, in the context of patching GNOME apps and he didn't really agree I think
[16:51] <seb128> he was rather on the line of "we tweak for Unity but we are not in a position to decide for other desktops and should follow upstream in those cases"
[16:53] <seb128> but well, if xubuntu ask to be added to the list and then $otherenv he might revisit
[17:06] <ochosi> seb128: ok, that sounds like a discussion really makes sense. i mean this problem will basically re-surface every cycle i guess... (at least for us)
[17:06]  * didrocks waves good evening and good night!
[18:14] <Laney> wee
[18:14] <Laney> merged gtk, uploaded to ppa
[18:15]  * Laney goes away, ttyl
[18:54] <maxb> X-GNOME-Autostart-enabled=false in a ~/.config/autostart/gnome-keyring-ssh.desktop seems to no longer be honoured in Utopic - would anyone have some hints as to where I should be looking to find out why?
[18:54] <robert_ancell> willcooke, I think due to daylight savings our meeting is now 2 hours away (according to my calendar). But can do any time from now
[18:59] <willcooke> robert_ancell, hero!
[21:01] <ochosi> robert_ancell_: hey there! quick question, any reason why simple-scan is using gtkheaderbars in xubuntu but not in unity? if possible, it'd be nice not to just check for !unity, but also for !xfce for headerbars
[21:04] <robert_ancell_> ochosi, it checks if the shell has gtk-shell-shows-menubar set. But that's a bit hacky. In other codebases we've switched to checking XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP which seems more reliable
[21:04] <robert_ancell_> ochosi, open a bug and I'll update it to check XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP and hide the header bar for Unity and XFCE
[21:04] <ochosi> robert_ancell_: thanks a bunch, that's very kind of you!
[21:04] <ochosi> i'll be sure to report a bug asap