[04:43] Laney: thanks for sorting out the g-s-d deps; did that creep in with debclean? i. e. weren't they commented in control.in? [04:43] Bonjour [04:50] pitti: bonjour! [04:50] bonjour desrt, comment vas-tu ? [04:50] pitti: vous êtes une femme et je suis un garçon [04:50] desrt: J'ai vu que tu commence apprendre français ? [04:51] pitti: that's all i got so far from duolingo [04:51] desrt: non, je suis un garçon aussi :-) [04:51] unless you want to eat an apple or something [04:52] nous avons les pommes! [04:53] seriously, though... this site improved a lot since i was on it last time (>2 years ago, apparently) [04:59] desrt: en effet [06:15] good morning! === duflu_ is now known as duflu [06:44] pitti, Laney thanks for driving the upower transition home ;) [06:44] hey larsu, wie gehts? [06:44] darkxst: yw; thanks for preparing and testing most bits already! [06:46] pitti: sehr gut danke! Porto war toll ;) [06:46] pitti: wie geht's dir? [06:48] pitti, np, so we just need gtk and bluez5 at some point but not urgent [06:48] larsu, how is gtk going? [06:49] (I mean Bluez5 is not urgent) [06:49] larsu: prima, danke; wenig Schlaf :/ [06:54] darkxst: isn't it in the desktop team ppa? [06:55] * larsu thought Laney was going to upload it [06:58] larsu, no not yet [07:00] let's see if we can make that happen today, then [07:02] good morning desktopers [07:02] larsu, ok [07:03] seb128, morning [07:03] what are you guys speaking about? [07:03] gtk? [07:03] gtk [07:03] larsu, your vcs has the mir backend commented out [07:03] we were unsure if that needs to be resolved before testing/upload [07:03] desrt said he gave you an update patch on pastebin [07:05] he did, but I didn't manage to apply it before leaving [07:05] I'll do that today [07:08] larsu, k, that's why we didn't upload it [08:11] morning [08:11] morning didrocks! [08:11] * larsu <-- fast [08:12] hey larsu! [08:12] how were your holidays? [08:12] lut didrocks [08:13] didrocks: awesome! [08:13] thanks. How are you? [08:14] I'm still sick (since last Wednesday) [08:14] so this morning, still headache + temperature :/ [08:14] (not as bad as it was though) [08:14] but quite tired then, didn't really enjoy the week-end [08:14] didrocks, :-( [08:15] uh oh, get better! [08:16] thanks [08:16] also, drink more tea! [08:16] yeah, well, water first… [08:31] Hello, world!\n [08:34] hey mlankhorst [08:35] hey [08:42] morning all [08:43] hey willcooke mlankhorst [08:43] good morning [08:43] hey mvo [08:43] happy monday everyone ;-) [08:43] hey seb128 :) [09:04] yo yo YO [09:04] hey Laney, wie gehts? [09:04] what up Laney [09:05] and hi everyone else who joined :) [09:05] doing good [09:05] a coffee man told me i looked like i'd been working out and gave me a terrorist fist bump [09:06] can I turn off spotify notifications? [09:06] Laney: nice! [09:06] * larsu fist-bumps Laney [09:06] lolz [09:06] how was your week off? [09:06] & how are you seb128 ? [09:06] awesome. porto is really nice [09:07] pitti: commented> no, in fact running clean is basically what I did [09:07] can recommend hanging out there [09:07] don't get the local speciality though. It's disgusting [09:07] Laney, doing good, thanks ;-) [09:07] kind of like poutine [09:07] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesinha [09:08] is that cheese on top? [09:08] ya [09:08] ... [09:08] the meat by itself looks nice [09:08] but it isn't [09:09] I ate it at the supposedly best place [09:09] was sick the whole day after [09:11] urgh [09:11] wow, I need to edit a config file to disable track notifications [09:11] what is this, 1999? [09:28] it's vivid time [09:28] * Laney stabs the pandaboard [09:28] I need to replace this heap of crap [09:29] get a nexus5 ;) [09:29] use ubuntu-touch and a chroot ... will definitely be a lot faster [09:31] SOLD [09:35] is anyone here having a unity8-desktop (desktop-next) vivid install? is unity8 still starting for you? [09:36] seb128, I can install it and test [09:37] seb128, is the desktop next ISO rebased on V already? Do I just download that? [09:38] yes [09:38] that should work [09:38] willcooke, thanks [09:38] * willcooke downloads [09:48] seb128: Thursday's image was starting [09:49] didrocks, yeah, vivid was working for me on thursday [09:49] I dist-upgraded today and it's not starting anymore [10:07] * willcooke writes the ISO to USB [10:30] 15.04 installed still says "Welcome to 14.10" [10:31] guess thats normal at this point [10:31] yeah, the templates are updated later in the cycle [10:31] they can be updated now [10:31] it's just that nobody did it yet I guess [10:32] can I do it? [10:32] seems like something I could probably get my head around [10:32] :) [10:32] sure ;) [10:32] it's going to take more time figuring out what to change and how that to do the change [10:32] but yeah, you could do it [10:40] seb128, yup - looks b0rked. I [10:40] I set up auto login from the installed [10:40] I'll try again with out that [10:41] seb128: want me to upgrade things one after another to see what broke it? [10:41] or confirm? [10:44] didrocks, downgrading unity8{,-private,-common} fixes it for me so I guess it's it [10:44] willcooke, thanks for confirming [10:45] I wish Canonical would buy this and redirect it: http://www.lauchpad.net/ [10:45] ok [10:45] my terrible typing would be happy [10:46] didrocks, if you want to try/confirm that would be nice still ;-) [10:46] seb128: could do, one sec [10:53] seb128: confirming [10:54] Saviq, ^ willcooke and didrocks confirm the unity8 desktop issue [10:55] didrocks, thanks! [10:55] on that note going for lunch, back in ~1h [11:57] morning [11:57] erm [11:57] afternoon* :P [11:58] except to you brits! [11:58] two more minutes [12:35] any ideas why this BP: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-1504-desktop-apps-on-mir [12:35] isnt showing here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid [12:35] willcooke, because you didn't target vivid [12:36] willcooke, I accepted it, it's listed now [12:36] is that "milestone target"? [12:36] willcooke, no, it's "serie goal", but you don't have enough ubuntu-foo to accept things, you can just nominate it seems [12:37] ah, ok, [12:37] I accepted it for you [12:37] thanks! [12:37] yw! [12:37] back to the foo mine for me [12:37] I'm unsure what team give you those rights and if you can be add [12:37] I'll find out... [12:37] or if that's something that comes with reward for having done enough work in Ubuntu/beeing trusted knowing the details enough [12:37] * Laney has these buttons too [12:38] willcooke: could just use seb128 as a secretary :P [12:38] "push this link for me please" [12:38] I like that plan very much [12:38] ;) [12:38] lol [13:09] Laney, do you plan to merge/update webkitgtk? just wondering if bug #1388389 is for you :-) [13:09] bug 1388389 in webkitgtk (Ubuntu) "please update Utopic to WebKitGTK 2.4.7" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1388389 [13:10] dude [13:10] you should check launchpad.net/builders === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [13:12] ;-) === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:16] seb128: back to you, what about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/1383486 ? are you SRUing it or should I? [13:16] Ubuntu bug 1383486 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu Utopic) "menu to select zoom doesn't drop down" [Undecided,Confirmed] [13:17] Laney, I can do it, I was waiting to get feedback from vivid [13:30] fair enough, /me is upgrading atm so can check in a minute [13:30] * Laney → lunch while that grinds === tiheum is now known as tiheum_ === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [14:12] larsu, do you have free slot to debug an unity-panel-service/indicator-messages/gtk_menu_tracker segfault? === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:12] sure [14:13] * larsu is almost done with after-sprint-and-holiday-catchup [14:16] larsu, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1386584 is yours [14:16] Ubuntu bug 1386584 in unity (Ubuntu) "SIGSEGV when notification contains |" [High,Confirmed] [14:16] larsu, the u-p-s segfaults when getting a message from an IRC contact with a "|" in its name [14:16] confirmed on current vivid [14:16] wfm [14:16] ? [14:17] oops. stop. [14:17] * larsu read that as notify-isd [14:17] I'll check [14:17] thanks for pointing me to it [14:17] yw [14:17] I confirmed it here [14:17] so let me know if you need details [14:18] pretty sure I know the issue already [14:18] k [14:18] i-messages puts contact names into actions without escaping them [14:18] actually, xchat does [14:18] but i-messages should really check :) [14:19] k [14:19] thanks for looking at it :-) [14:26] Laney, desrt: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739567 [14:26] Gnome bug 739567 in general "Comment in sol.c is needlessly offensive" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [14:26] also replied to his mail, saying I thought it's a trivial enough change [14:28] larsu: thanks for doing that [14:29] took some effort not to yell :) [14:29] I'm sure you will get a considered and polite response to thank you for your efforts :-) [14:30] :) [14:38] waow, the street will be so clean! [14:39] third time the clean vehicule is driving into my street today (and it's just a one-way street) [14:39] maybe the queen is visiting [14:40] maybe they want to justify being able to ask for more local tax? ;-) [14:40] pitti: I got a conffile prompt for upower on dist-upgrade (http://paste.debian.net/130002), any clue? [14:40] "but see, you can enjoy very clean streets" [14:40] heh, especially when it's raining… :) [14:40] larsu: have you made debian/ubuntu codesearches for swear words? a bunch of them get pages of results. [14:41] hmm, I might have had an old 0.99 at some point [14:41] so maybe it's okay [14:42] xnox: no. chpe started a commit war and this is my reply :) [14:44] larsu: interesting, can you point to the source of the commit war? [14:45] xnox: not a war yet: https://git.gnome.org/browse/aisleriot/log [14:45] * Laney restarts into vivid [14:45] hopefully [14:46] larsu: "That commit was unauthorised." - LOLZ [14:46] xnox: ya... he sent me a nasty email too [14:46] xnox: he's technically right of course, but seriously... [14:47] he also reverted a similar thing in terminal, so I thought it's ok [14:47] you get stuff like this when NMUing in Debian sometimes too [14:47] it's like all of my patches submitted to GNOME never got applied, "because maintainer should apply them" and eventually my patches got closed with "this project was re-written in vala" [14:47] you usually don't NMU from an activate maintainer without talking to him first... [14:47] seb128: i do. [14:48] but blame on Laney for saying that chpe was mia when he was not ;-) [14:48] I didn't say that [14:48] I though you said he changed his bzg account to "not around anymore" or something like that [14:48] sorry, I probably understood that wrongly [14:48] It said "away, not reading bugmail" [14:48] or similar [14:49] anyway, dealing with some people is fun :p [14:49] "... but carefully reading commit mails" [14:49] :D [14:54] willcooke: is there anyone working on rootless X yet? :P [14:55] oh, all TODO.. [14:55] mlankhorst, yeah the Mir team have it all on their list. Do you want to get involved in that? [14:56] (they could probably use some help with that) [14:56] I've poked and dissected xwayland a little today, I think such a glamor-based approach could work for xmir too [14:57] although it seems to depend on proper mir input wsup [14:57] s/wsup/support/ [14:58] mlankhorst: raof has a test branch/packages that I've been using: https://launchpad.net/~raof/+archive/ubuntu/break-all-the-things [14:58] ah === Sweetsha1k is now known as Sweetshark [15:00] typical raof's branching naming :) [15:00] Laney: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Mock"? might that be from a leftover installation of python-dbusmocK? [15:00] I think a standalone XMIR has more chance of getting accepted upstream. [15:00] Laney: I mean, the package doesn't install that, but I guess you might have modified it locally for testing the template (as you worked on that some time ago) [15:00] or alternatively: not a chance in hall the driver hacks will get accepted. :P [15:01] I think he has some sort of plan...just not sure what it is:) [15:01] pitti: Hmm, maybe,, I don't remember having t o do that but if the package doesn't say anything about it then probably so [15:01] Laney: org.freedesktop.DBus.Mock is definitively not appearing in upower itself [15:01] whatever is this lag === Pici is now known as to === to is now known as Pici === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [15:45] seb128: http://paste.debian.net/130008 [15:45] Laney, \o/ [15:45] kenvandine, ^ [15:47] seb128, woot! [15:47] * xnox ponders if i should be running vivid on my work laptop. It's on trusty at the moment, and all other machines are on utopic. [16:37] seb128: sorry for the wait. Added desrt's updated mir patch to lp:~larsu/gtk/gtk-3-14 [16:37] larsu, great! you consider the update ready for review/testing? [16:37] seb128: I think so, yes [16:38] Laney, Could you look at this? https://code.launchpad.net/~albertsmuktupavels/indicator-applet/libpanel-applet-3.10+/+merge/230851 [16:39] hey folks! [16:39] hey ochosi, how are you? [16:39] good good – you? [16:39] I'm good thanks [16:40] Laney, do you want to look at the new gtk from larsu or should I? [16:40] cool, good to hear [16:40] i wanted to ask you guys – since we talked about headerbars a few times already – whether this visual glitch could come from the headerbar-to-toolbar patch in evince: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-10-27-124835.php [16:41] (note that it doesn't always happen and it goes away too if you resize the window and stuff, basically if you cause a redraw) [16:41] second question being why simple scan uses a headerbar – i thought it's installed in ubuntu by default? (or at least written by robert_ancell) [16:42] ochosi, not sure, it's worth trying if the most recent gtk upload fixes it [16:42] that's in vivid and in the utopic sru queue (not approved yet) [16:42] right, this is in utopic [16:42] ah, 3.14 is going to utopic? [16:42] no [16:42] ah ok, the link to larsu's branch above tricked me :) [16:42] I mean https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/3.12.2-0ubuntu16 [16:43] that's a fix for the popover menu not opening under env that display the menu [16:43] ah, good to know [16:43] i'll look out for that one [16:43] which is used by evince for e.g zoom [16:43] dunno for the second question, did you try under Unity? [16:43] I think robert_ancell did unity and !unity codepaths [16:44] but best to check with him, I don't know much about it [16:45] ya, can look at 3.14 [16:45] larsu: do you know of any theme problems? [16:45] Laney, thanks [16:45] Laney: "no" [16:46] seb128: ok, i see. well i guess a !gnome codepath would be better, but i can talk about that with him [16:50] ochosi, yeah, talk to him, I discussed it a bit that with him, in the context of patching GNOME apps and he didn't really agree I think [16:51] he was rather on the line of "we tweak for Unity but we are not in a position to decide for other desktops and should follow upstream in those cases" [16:53] but well, if xubuntu ask to be added to the list and then $otherenv he might revisit [17:06] seb128: ok, that sounds like a discussion really makes sense. i mean this problem will basically re-surface every cycle i guess... (at least for us) [17:06] * didrocks waves good evening and good night! === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [18:14] wee [18:14] merged gtk, uploaded to ppa [18:15] * Laney goes away, ttyl [18:54] X-GNOME-Autostart-enabled=false in a ~/.config/autostart/gnome-keyring-ssh.desktop seems to no longer be honoured in Utopic - would anyone have some hints as to where I should be looking to find out why? [18:54] willcooke, I think due to daylight savings our meeting is now 2 hours away (according to my calendar). But can do any time from now [18:59] robert_ancell, hero! [21:01] robert_ancell_: hey there! quick question, any reason why simple-scan is using gtkheaderbars in xubuntu but not in unity? if possible, it'd be nice not to just check for !unity, but also for !xfce for headerbars [21:04] ochosi, it checks if the shell has gtk-shell-shows-menubar set. But that's a bit hacky. In other codebases we've switched to checking XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP which seems more reliable [21:04] ochosi, open a bug and I'll update it to check XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP and hide the header bar for Unity and XFCE [21:04] robert_ancell_: thanks a bunch, that's very kind of you! [21:04] i'll be sure to report a bug asap