[00:07] <darkxst> d1ndra, there is pretty much no c++ in GNOME
[00:07] <darkxst> lots of c, vala, javascript (for gnome-shell) and a few python apps
[00:09] <d1ndra> I know C too, but I've heard that developing with C take in a lot of effort and one has to focus on a lot of details. Would it be a good idea to enhance my knowledge of Python and work on something using it?
[06:36] <knittl> darkxst: adwaita (default)
[06:37] <darkxst> knittl, I have heard reports but not been able to reproduce myself
[06:38] <knittl> hm. I will make a screenshot later today
[06:38] <darkxst> knittl, are they just transparent?
[06:39] <knittl> darkxst: yeah, the dark themed windows (for instance gnome-terminal) get a transparent title bar (still with title and buttons, but transparent background)
[06:40] <darkxst> yeh seen screenshots of that, but I am hopeless at theming, so can't fix unless I can reproduce
[06:40] <knittl> my guess is some invalid css properties
[06:41] <darkxst> knittl, maybe its using the old adwaita, rather than the one that is now built-in to gtk package (for 3.14)
[06:41] <knittl> could be a possibility
[06:41] <knittl> how can I verify?
[06:44] <darkxst> I'm not entirely sure, you could just try removing the old gnome-themes package if its still installed?
[06:44] <knittl> iirc it was a dependency of ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[06:45] <darkxst> knittl, let it remove that if needed
[06:45] <knittl> alright. will try in the afternoon
[06:47] <darkxst> knittl, ok let me know how it goes, I will be updating ubuntu-gnome-desktop for 3.14 in a week or 2 (on vivid) but can backport that to utopic ppa also
[06:47] <knittl> sure. thanks :)
[06:48] <mgedmin> knittl, it's also worth running apt-show-versions | grep -v uptodate, to see if you've all the packages from the right archives
[06:49] <knittl> will do (but I think everything is up to date)
[06:56] <mgedmin> (also it _might_ be a driver bug)
[06:57] <knittl> nvidia? how??
[06:59] <mgedmin> I mean, if badly-drawn shadows can be a driver bug, why not badly-drawn titlebars?
[07:02] <darkxst> mgedmin, sure it could be, but I have not seen any bugs with nvidia blob
[07:03] <mgedmin> knittl, do you use the blob or noveau?
[07:04] <knittl> mgedmin: proprietary nvidia
[07:05] <knittl> nouveau doesn't work on my system (forces hard reboots)
[07:06] <mgedmin> ok, that's interesting: my gnome-shell just crashed
[07:07] <knittl> the hard reboots don't have anything to do with gnome-shell
[07:07] <mgedmin> segfault in shell_app_compare
[07:11] <mgedmin> ho ho ho UnicodeEncodeError in apport-retrace while printing the stack trace
[07:15] <darkxst> mgedmin, apport-retrace is pretty fragile
[07:16] <darkxst> and if the crash is from js code, you really need shell in a live gdb session so you can gjs_dumpstack()
[07:27] <darkxst> one day gdb might grow support to retrace those things (I think someone at mozilla is working on it), but right now its not that way unfortunaley
[07:28] <mgedmin> my disk hasn't got enough free space for all the debug symbols :/
[07:31] <darkxst> most are pretty small except for bloody webkit
[08:04] <mgedmin> interesting message in /home/mg/.cache/upstart/gnome-session-GNOME.log during gnome-shell startup
[08:04] <mgedmin> (gnome-shell:30338): Gjs-WARNING **: JS ERROR: Exception in callback for signal: startup-complete: Error: Requiring GSystem, version none: Typelib file for namespace 'GSystem' (any version) not found
[08:04] <mgedmin> missing dependency on some gir package?
[08:06] <mgedmin> gir1.2-gsystem-1.0?
[08:10] <mgedmin> yeah, installing that and alt-f2 r gets rid of the error
[08:11] <mgedmin> I'll file a bug so this doesn't get lost
[08:15] <mgedmin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1388736
[08:46] <darkxst> mgedmin, or fix it and I will upload for you ;)
[08:49] <darkxst> this month is a flurry of sorts, hopefully we will have all of core 3.14 in before alpha1
[08:52] <darkxst> mgedmin, and I only have time to work on the real problems, that other team members can't do
[08:53] <mgedmin> do you keep the packaging bits in a repository somewhere?  I could send a git patch...
[08:54] <[vbm]> hi there, my 14.04 upgrade broke Gnome Do. I am running ubuntu with openbox + tint2 + docky and I can invoke Do with ctrl+alt+space but when I type something nothing appears. I googled it but couldn't find anything helpful. can anybody help?
[09:28] <mgedmin> oh, gir1.2-gsystem-1.0 is not available on debian
[09:28] <mgedmin> and here I was all prepared to report a debian bug
[11:03] <mgedmin> welp, why is libvte in ubuntu so ancient (0.28.2)?  upstream is up to version 0.38 already
[11:03] <mgedmin> and I want a bugfix from 0.35.1 (https://github.com/GNOME/vte/commit/a118544044e064ea1d3f36e959d961845ec9c317)
[11:08] <mgedmin> never mind I'm an idio
[11:20] <[vbm]> hi there, my 14.04 upgrade broke Gnome Do. I am running ubuntu with openbox + tint2 + docky and I can invoke Do with ctrl+alt+space but when I type something nothing appears. I googled it but couldn't find anything helpful. can anybody help?
[11:21] <mgedmin> [vbm], wouldn't know where to start :(
[11:25] <[vbm]> mgedmin, thanks anyway. I upgraded my X40 a couple of days ago and now I can't use do's shortcuts. It's a bit annoying as a I normally use it for everything that isn't on the dock.
[11:26] <mgedmin> I can imagine
[11:26] <mgedmin> is it gnome-do failing to find something?  or an input problem of some sort?
[11:26] <mgedmin> have you tried google?
[11:29] <[vbm]> gnome-do appears as blank. whatever I type appears in the box, but the usual autocomplete and with the 2nd box showing run does not appear
[11:29] <mgedmin> any errors in, uh, ~/.cache/upstart/*.log?
[11:30] <[vbm]> google hasn't been particularly helpful. most links are about how great gnome-do is and how to install it :) checking *.log now
[11:33] <[vbm]> can't find upstart under .cache
[11:35] <mgedmin> then maybe ~/.xsession-errors
[11:39] <[vbm]> a couple of badwindow messages and a few "Cairo.Surface is leaking, programmer is missing a call to Dispose" but I'm not sure invoking do creates nay more entries on the log
[11:40] <mgedmin> [vbm], I suggest asking for advice on #gnome-do
[11:43] <[vbm]> thanks. will do. i didn't see that channel before. thanks.
[11:51] <lindol> hi all
[11:52] <lindol> Heavensbus, hi
[11:55] <Heavensbus> lindol: hi
[16:47] <knittl> darkxst: hi
[16:47] <knittl> I'm at my machine again
[16:48] <knittl> removing gnome-themes-standard will also remove gdm*, gnome-shell*, and mutter* (to name a few)