[05:39] <map> morning
[07:10] <Myrtti> moin
[08:19] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:29] <diplo> Morning all
[08:29] <brobostigon> morning diplo
[10:05] <MooDoo> morning all
[10:08] <zmoylan-pi> greetings mammals
[10:08] <popey> Word.
[10:10]  * Myrtti prods Google Play
[10:10] <Myrtti> ship it, damnit
[10:14] <DJones> !shipit
[10:16] <MooDoo> Myrtti: you need some cds?
[10:16] <zmoylan-pi> cd's/dvd's/wrist watches? :-p
[10:16] <Myrtti> MooDoo: no, just the Nexus 9
[10:16] <DJones> MooDoo: I doubt it, was me using the shipit factoid because she's waiting for a delivery
[10:18] <DJones> Yay, microsd cards ordered for phones & tablets
[10:22] <MooDoo> ah
[10:22] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:25] <MooDoo> howdy czajkowski
[10:26] <MartijnV1S> \o/ new dinner table lights
[10:26] <MartijnV1S> Thanks, IKEA
[10:27] <czajkowski> hows folks
[10:35] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Cliché Day! :-D
[10:35] <zmoylan-pi> halloween is over and the crimbo shopping frenzy has begun...
[10:47] <JamesTait> zmoylan-pi, not in this house it hasn't - the birthday panic has taken over.
[10:47] <zmoylan-pi> an amazon gift card... :-p
[10:52] <MartijnVdS> a pre-paid VISA card
[10:53] <zmoylan-pi> nothing says you care like money :-p
[11:45] <davmor2> JamesTait: Time will tell if this a day full of clichés or not
[11:46] <MooDoo> davmor2: today is full on fail
[11:47] <foobarry> does deleting a video from my phone gallery also delete it from g+ auto backup?
[11:47] <davmor2> MooDoo: Touché
[11:50] <BigRedS> foobarry: not IME
[12:00] <foobarry> BigRedS: within the photos app it warns that it will delete everywhere
[12:00] <zmoylan-pi> the nsa will keep a copy :-p
[12:03] <SuperEngineer> zmoylan-pi, "FBI secretly seek legal power to hack any computer, anywhere. Don't you feel safer already?"
[12:03] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[12:03] <BigRedS> foobarry: ooh, odd. I've not seen that warning, and I'm sure I've had photos I deleted still be on the g+ backup thing
[12:03] <zmoylan-pi> when i see a dozen processes hogging ram on a computer i just hope that at least 1 is working FOR me :-)
[12:04] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[12:15] <funkyHat> I think it does from the google+ photos app, but if you delete from another gallery app on your phone then g+ will keep the backup
[12:15] <funkyHat> But yeah, certain definitions of delete and all that.
[13:12] <davmor2> SuperEngineer: Yes I feel safe if they want access to my machine they are welcome, they will of course get very bored very quickly give in and move onto the next machine there are only so many isos and images of ubuntu that even the FBI would want to look at :)
[13:19] <TwistedLucidity> If the FBI hack my computer I will consider that an act of breaking and entering. I will respond with all force necessary to defend myself. i.e. I might sent a barbed tweet or something....
[13:19] <TwistedLucidity> It's a sick sad world when the police are seeking permission to become criminals.
[13:20] <TwistedLucidity> Well...seeking to get things they have already done rubber-stamped as "Ok"
[13:22] <Myrtti> meh. get-iplayer is broken :-|
[13:23] <Azelphur> davmor2: I wouldn't want some random FBI employee of dubious morals with access to all my money
[13:23] <Azelphur> fuck that
[13:23] <Azelphur> oops, bad language for this channel
[13:32] <TwistedLucidity> Myrtti: Yes, the BBC changed the interface. The URLs still work and need plugged in maunally for the moment. I've heard tell a fix is in the pipeline (probably site scraping).
[13:32] <TwistedLucidity> Kinda sucks.
[13:33] <popey> Myrtti: already fixed upstream
[13:33] <popey> https://github.com/dinkypumpkin/get_iplayer/releases
[13:39] <foobarry> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://www.londonlibraries.gov.uk
[13:39] <foobarry> fail.
[13:40] <foobarry> their systems are always down
[13:41] <popey> fine here
[13:41] <popey> down4everyone says it's down, but it works
[13:44] <foobarry> down her
[13:44] <foobarry> e
[13:44] <zmoylan-pi> reddit went down for me for 2-3 mins.  something to do with dns thingy?
[13:44] <foobarry> its been down all day, maybe a routuing thing then
[13:45] <foobarry> traceroute fails after 86.188.224.92
[13:56] <Myrtti> I suppose I'll have to compile it myself.
[13:57] <BigRedS> I don't think that's how reddit works
[13:57] <BigRedS> :)
[13:59] <popey> its perl, I don't think there's any compiling to do is there?
[14:00] <BigRedS> oh, get_iplayer? I thought that 'only' broke because they turned off the rss? So rewriting more than recompiling
[14:00] <bigcalm> I haven't touched get_iplayer for so many years now. It's just worked for the programmes I want to listen to. Wonder if I should update or not
[14:01] <davmor2> Azelphur: no why on earth not,  the first time they abuse the system the system will rebel against them and then it all gets shut down :)  They couldn't afford the lawsuits
[14:01] <popey> i just extracted the get_iplayer script from the zip file and put it in ~/bin
[14:01] <popey> works for me
[14:01] <Azelphur> davmor2: you mean like all the other times they've abused the system and absolutely nothing has happened
[14:02] <BigRedS> I think a simple --get --pid works, but apparently the smarter stuff doesn't because that was dependent upon RSS feeds
[14:02] <popey> yeah
[14:03] <davmor2> Azelphur: people care about their money though and Americans Sue at the drop of a hat
[14:04] <Azelphur> davmor2: nobody has taken it anywhere, even when it got to the corporate espionage the NSA are involved in.
[14:04] <Azelphur> they can and do routinely steal money, private data, etc from companies and private individuals, and very little is actually done to prevent it
[14:05] <Azelphur> same goes for bank employees too
[14:05] <Azelphur> although bank employees at least tend to get caught eventually
[14:06] <Azelphur> assuming they aren't too high up the food chain
[14:09] <foobarry> ZZ
[14:15] <TwistedLucidity> Azelphur: Once you have enough money, you can buy the justice (and tax regualtions) you think you deserve.
[14:15] <Azelphur> indeed
[14:16] <Azelphur> mostly I was just pointing out that people shouldn't have the "I don't care if they look at my stuff" attitude
[14:17] <bigcalm> Updating fa7d46f..3e1f09d
[14:19] <andyc> bots
[14:19] <andyc> oops just opened xchat and this channel popped up, as you were
[14:27] <bigcalm> popey: do you have rtmpdump installed?
[14:37] <bigcalm> I'm sure I shouldn't be spending my afternoon trying to fix the dependancies on my server so that I can update packages
[14:49] <popey> i do
[14:51] <map> hi all
[14:53] <map> so tired ;[
[14:57] <bigcalm> Yay, programmes are downloading again
[14:58] <map> yay
[14:58] <map> on what
[15:05] <TwistedLucidity> get_iplayer
[15:05]  * TwistedLucidity assumes
[15:05] <SuperEngineer> map - the clue was in "programmes" rather than programs ;)
[15:06] <davmor2> SuperEngineer: oh he is getting football leaflets
[15:07] <map> =]
[15:07] <SuperEngineer> :D
[15:07] <map> i might go to a soccer ball mach tonight
[15:07] <map> not decided
[15:08] <SuperEngineer> [what's football]... The program 'football' is currently not installed.
[15:08] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[15:09] <map> heh
[15:09] <map> free entry is only reason id consider it
[15:10] <TwistedLucidity> The program 'football' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:
[15:10] <TwistedLucidity> sudo apt-get install sgb
[15:10] <SuperEngineer> yeah... saw that - resisted the tempation though
[15:12] <davmor2> Well it could be a Show or Opera Leaflet I suppose if you don't like the thought of it being football :P
[15:13] <SuperEngineer> or the promme for the upcoming Led Zeppelin reunion
[15:15]  * SuperEngineer imagine various [fruitless] searches going on right now ;)
[15:18] <davmor2> SuperEngineer: Shouldn't be too hard, they already know a woman who bought a stairway to heaven right?
[15:30] <SuperEngineer> davmor2,  no.  she's still "buying a stairway to heaven" last I heard
[15:31] <SuperEngineer> [perhaps "she" should try Kickstarter!]  ;)
[15:32] <MooDoo> is she from the darkest depths of mordor?
[15:33] <SuperEngineer> no, we wouldn't let her in - you should have the insults!
[15:35] <SuperEngineer> ...all the talk was "buy this, buy that, buy a carpet, buy a stairway to heaven".... we're only here for the peace & quiet!
[15:53] <SuperEngineer> What's SMPlayer for Youtube is really for - downloading Jono Bacon's "Dealing With Disrespect"
[15:54] <SuperEngineer> [next instalment - translating bad grammar on IRC]  ;)
[15:54]  * SuperEngineer refers to self there
[16:11] <Myrtti> \o/ They've shipped it \o/
[16:38] <vad3rman1156> stupid question, where is aldeshot in the uk?
[16:38] <foobarry> roughly?
[16:38] <vad3rman1156> aldershot*
[16:38] <vad3rman1156> yeah
[16:38] <foobarry> surrey, nr guildford/woking/farnham
[16:38] <foobarry> army town
[16:38] <vad3rman1156> hmm my tab s is there
[16:39] <Myrtti> at 8.30 o'clock if London is the centre
[16:39] <vad3rman1156> Myrtti: ?
[16:39] <Myrtti> or 7.30
[16:39] <vad3rman1156> huh?
[16:39] <davmor2> vad3rman1156: maps.google.com maybe
[16:40] <vad3rman1156> google won't load :/
[16:40] <Myrtti> vad3rman1156: put london in the middle, then smack an analogue watch face on it. Zoom out, you'll see Aldershot in the lower left quadrant of that watch face.
[16:41] <Myrtti> ie. south west from Londond.
[16:41] <Myrtti> -d
[16:41] <popey> vad3rman1156: http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/269754#map=17/51.24650/-0.76061
[16:42] <vad3rman1156> oh thanks
[16:49] <bigcalm> Does this read well? "I believe that it is Lyndsey John with whom this matter should be discussed."
[16:50] <bigcalm> Or even correctly?
[16:51] <foobarry> sort of
[16:51] <foobarry> i would probably word it differently
[16:51] <foobarry> more directly
[16:52] <bigcalm> I don't know if it's that lady that the matter should be discussed with
[16:52] <foobarry> then... I believe Lyndsey John may be the person to contact regarding this matter?
[16:52] <vad3rman1156> ^much better
[16:53] <bigcalm> Fair enough, ta
[16:54] <bigcalm> I've cc'd her, just in case :)
[16:55] <Myrtti> "oops" http://gizmodo.com/report-a-flaw-in-visas-contactless-card-lets-anyone-ch-1653974432
[16:55] <bigcalm> Yay
[16:55] <bigcalm> So glad I don't have any such cards
[16:58] <Myrtti> I don't either, but I already have a purse that blocks it
[16:58] <Myrtti> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00JCCD0SG
[16:59] <zmoylan-pi> just a standard lead lining would deal with skimming wireless cards and a few unwitting muggers :-)
[17:28] <DJones> Strange, just booted into my bios, according to that my laptop has something akin to Herpes, Direct quote from bios "Windows Licence - STD", may just be me, but "STD" has a pretty obvious and unwelcome association
[17:29] <zmoylan-pi> maybe you have symantec antivirus installed? :-)
[17:30] <DJones> In bios?
[17:30] <zmoylan-pi> i wouldn't trust symantec at all these days :-p
[17:33] <SuperEngineer> Symantec Transmitted Disease???
[17:43] <SuperEngineer> http://fabsh.com/last-stand/  [sad news]
[17:44] <zmoylan-pi> just popped into #sixgun for first time in a year, down to 50 folk
[17:45] <SuperEngineer> 563 actually - & I'm proud to be one of those
[17:46] <SuperEngineer> whoops [meant to type 53]
[17:46] <SuperEngineer> [wishful thinking
[17:48] <SuperEngineer> http://danlynch.org/blog/2014/11/nothing-lasts-forever/
[20:50] <bigcalm> http://imgur.com/gallery/Pa3gL
[20:52] <popey> hmm, i expected photos of an ikea bookshelf unit
[21:03] <bigcalm> popey: https://www.dropbox.com/sc/isi4g7zvw2fdci6/AABwuTh1A8MvvP-soezjCAvZa
[21:03] <bigcalm> popey: just erected
[21:03] <popey> nice floor
[21:04] <popey> i spy virgin cable connection
[21:04] <bigcalm> You spy correctly
[21:04] <bigcalm> Floor is okay, I prefer carpets. At least we have a nice rug now
[21:07] <daftykins> :D
[21:07] <daftykins> yeah i've taken to permanently wearing socks to combat wooden floor and tiled cold
[21:07] <bigcalm> We wear slippers at home
[21:09] <daftykins> never been a fan personally :)
[21:10] <Myrtti> rugs > carpets
[21:16] <directhex> EXPEDIT!
[21:17] <directhex> they don't do those anymore.
[21:21] <popey> yeah, i have 3 pairs of slippers I never wear
[21:22] <daftykins> popey: in-laws christmas presents? :D
[21:23] <popey> heh
[21:24] <popey> one of them, yes
[21:24] <popey> I tend to be barefoot or socks (if I remember to put them on) around the house
[21:26] <zmoylan-pi> some sort of tux slippers perhaps? :-)
[21:26] <popey> nope ☻
[21:27] <bigcalm> Hayley has a foot phobia, so sockless if not an option
[21:29] <popey> wat wat
[21:29] <bigcalm> In the ...
[21:40] <bigcalm> Time to shop at Tesco :D
[21:41] <popey> we just did that
[21:41] <popey> \o/ online shopping
[21:42] <bigcalm> Working from home means going shopping is a chance to escape
[21:42] <popey> haha
[21:43] <bigcalm> Lets try not to buy any doughnuts this time
[21:44] <popey> mmmm forbidden doughnuts
[21:44] <popey> http://drool.popey.com/
[21:54] <czajkowski> http://www.lczajkowski.com/2014/11/03/new-challenges-and-adventure-awaits/  \o/
[22:01] <popey> -!- andylockran [~andy@80.229.11.208] has quit [DISGUSTED]
[22:02] <zmoylan-pi> tescos do a nice custard donut
[22:03] <daftykins> czajkowski: good luck in the new role, ma'am
[22:05] <zmoylan-pi> congrats czajkowski
[22:06] <czajkowski> thanks
[22:06] <czajkowski> popey: oh was that me ?
[22:07] <popey> hehe, no ☻
[22:13] <czajkowski> popey: what new laptop have you gone with ?
[22:13] <czajkowski> see if you can save me time doing research :)
[22:13] <popey> czajkowski: I haven't yet.
[22:13] <czajkowski> bah
[22:14] <czajkowski> oh could get a XPS 13 direct fro dell with Ubuntu on it
[22:17] <daftykins> Do Dell refer to 14.04 now?
[22:18] <popey> i think the xps13 still ships with 12.04
[22:18] <popey> czajkowski: yeah, that machine is on my list
[22:18] <czajkowski> 12.04
[22:18] <czajkowski> aye
[22:18] <daftykins> ugh
[22:18] <popey> also the thinkpad t440s is also on the list
[22:19] <popey> the touch one
[22:19] <popey> http://shop.lenovo.com/gb/en/laptops/thinkpad/t-series/t440s/
[22:19] <daftykins> my problem with Lenovo is their whitelisting of wifi cards and so on :(
[22:19] <daftykins> but then you just make sure you get a good one to start with ;)
[22:20] <popey> i can see why they do it
[22:20] <popey> silly regulations
[22:20] <daftykins> how's that?
[22:21] <popey> they get the entire device fcc certified
[22:21] <popey> device + antenna
[22:21] <popey> not just the device
[22:21] <popey> the theory being they assure it's fcc certified if approved wifi device is used with matched antennal
[22:21] <popey> -l
[22:22] <daftykins> *nod*
[22:22] <daftykins> popey: this old macbook i mentioned, did you say you know of someone running ubuntu on such a device? curious how they might overcome the touchpad woes
[22:22] <popey> no, he runs osx
[22:22] <daftykins> ah ok
[22:22] <popey> an aged black macbook
[22:22] <daftykins> :D
[22:23] <popey> very cool looking device, i can see why he keeps it
[22:23] <daftykins> they seem pretty darn sturdy
[22:23] <popey> yeah
[22:23] <popey> i want thinkpad guts inside one of those cases
[22:24] <brobostigon> powerpc or x86?
[22:24] <daftykins> you may want to mute this one https://www.dropbox.com/s/kvehuk00lweboou/VID_20141031_212154.mp4?dl=0
[22:24] <daftykins> a notification came in whilst i was recording XD
[22:24] <popey> pretty
[22:24] <daftykins> brobostigon: x86, intel macs
[22:25] <brobostigon> daftykins: ah, i see
[22:25] <daftykins> that's 14.04 booting on an SSD in a late 2007 core 2 duo macbook
[22:25] <popey> pretty quick to login screen
[22:25] <daftykins> yeah :) it's a pretty rubbish SSD too
[22:25] <popey> heh
[22:25] <daftykins> some sandisk that came out of a friends samsung 9 series ultrabook
[22:26] <daftykins> ooh more heavy rain
[22:26] <daftykins> shame £90 for a battery and £50 for a mains adapter kind of makes it not worth fixing up
[22:29] <czajkowski> popey: any idea on battery life for the Xps?
[22:29] <popey> dunno, ask laura cowen, she has one
[22:29] <czajkowski> ah good to know
[22:29] <czajkowski> really do not want a mac
[22:31] <popey> heh
[22:33]  * brobostigon says "blaspheme" in a dalek like voice.
[22:33] <daftykins> judging by the macbook, it looks difficult to get a keyboard map that the keyboard properly matches
[22:34] <daftykins> so sticking to OS X seems easiest, which i detest :)
[22:34] <brobostigon> try darwin, or netbsd, :)
[22:35] <daftykins> naaaah i doubt one could get anything done with those
[22:35] <brobostigon> why? both run normal sw, xorg, etc, why not.
[22:35] <daftykins> i don't run desktop Linux at all.
[22:36] <daftykins> on my daily drivers, that is
[22:36] <brobostigon> i spend half my days in haiku now.
[22:37] <czajkowski> ohh Karen Gillian is on a new show. first I've seen of her since Doctor Who
[22:37] <brobostigon> only things i really used debian for now, are SL, MC and openoffice.
[22:37] <brobostigon> use*
[22:37] <brobostigon> including on servers and rpi.
[22:38] <brobostigon> and ubuntu server, also.
[22:39] <brobostigon> however in theory haiku could run MC, as it does have a stable port of openjdk.
[22:40] <BigRedS> Ah, I was just wondering what MC was. I assumed it wasn't midnight commander :) Minecraft, presumably?
[22:40] <brobostigon> yes, minecraft
[22:41] <brobostigon> although, they do have a midnight commander port.
[22:43] <directhex> brobostigon, but does it have a stable port of lwjgl?
[22:43] <brobostigon> directhex: i do not know, not that i have seen.
[23:07] <daftykins> on a completely off topic note, has anyone noticed vodafone getting worse and worse in the UK for mobile phone reception?
[23:08] <daftykins> a client has a business contract and seems to be getting ever decreasing quality of service from vodafone
[23:33] <popey> BED TIME!
[23:34] <shauno> but muuuuum
[23:34] <popey> I doubt jaiku will run minecraft
[23:34] <popey> there's platform specific binary chunks