[01:52] <cmaloney> we're going to start the meeting in 8 minutes
[01:53] <cmaloney> Assuming anyone decides to show up. :)
[01:57] <jrwren> i've been waiting.
[02:00] <cmaloney> heh
[02:00] <jsjgruber-xt> Hi, everyone
[02:00] <cmaloney> Welcome to the Nov. meeting
[02:00] <jrwren> hi.
[02:00] <cmaloney> The meeting notes are available here:
[02:01] <cmaloney> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-us-mi/766/detail/
[02:01] <cmaloney> Unfortunately I didn't get around to putting on the meeting agenda items
[02:01] <cmaloney> So bear with me ,and if there's something you'd like to discuss please let me know
[02:01] <cmaloney> first up
[02:01] <cmaloney> Release party
[02:02] <cmaloney> Apparently Ubuntu 14.10 was released last week
[02:02] <cmaloney> woot.
[02:02] <jrwren> i can confirm that it was.
[02:02] <cmaloney> So as is custom locos from around the world are having release parties.
[02:03] <cmaloney> Frankly, it kind of blew past me as I was prepping for Ohio Linuxfest
[02:03] <cmaloney> which we'll get to in a sec.
[02:03] <cmaloney> but since there was a release I'll open it up to the floor: does anyone want to have a release party
[02:04] <cmaloney> and the bear-trap part: would anyone like to organize said party? :)
[02:06] <waldo323> I missed the release too
[02:06] <cmaloney> I'm content with not having a party as it seems if they're not associated with a larger event like Penguicon that we get fewer folks attending
[02:07] <jsjgruber-xt> I don't mind driving up to the Fall ones, but it would be tough for me to organize one from here in Bowling Green
[02:07] <cmaloney> jsjgruber-xt: Yeah, we'd have to meet at the Wendy's. :)
[02:07] <jsjgruber-xt> Yep
[02:08] <cmaloney> (sorry, it's kind of a tradition for J and I to stop at that Wendy's whenever we drive through Ohio)
[02:08] <cmaloney> So, if anyone would like to orgainze a party please let us know
[02:09] <cmaloney> either via the email list or in channel
[02:09] <cmaloney> Whichever you prefer.
[02:09] <cmaloney> any further comments or questions?
[02:09] <waldo323> We could invite everyone to come to the mug meeting which is already somewhat of a party
[02:10] <cmaloney> waldo323: I think the usual suspects that show up to the release party are the same folks who might show up to the Nov. MUG meeting
[02:10] <cmaloney> which is at Buddy's this month
[02:10] <cmaloney> Nov. 11th
[02:10] <cmaloney> More info at http://mug.org
[02:11] <cmaloney> (Brought to you by the folks who are trying to pump up attendence)
[02:11] <waldo323> True
[02:12] <jsjgruber-xt> It's a great group of people
[02:12] <cmaloney> Anywho...
[02:12] <cmaloney> jsjgruber-xt: Some of the finest. :)
[02:12] <cmaloney> OK, next topic: OLF recap
[02:13] <cmaloney> Managed to make it out to OLF this past weekend
[02:13] <cmaloney> The lack of Ubuntu presence there was palpable
[02:13] <cmaloney> No Ubuntu booth, lots of Oracle and Red Hat.
[02:13] <cmaloney> and Fedora, and even BSD.
[02:15] <cmaloney> not sure if this is something to be concerned about but something to keep in mind
[02:15] <cmaloney> I know the Ohio loco looked into booths and found them expensive
[02:15] <cmaloney> So not sure if there's a way to fix this outright without some more up-front money
[02:16] <cmaloney> PyOhio and the FSF had booths there.
[02:16] <cmaloney> But basically most of the talks I went to had a heavy MySQL or Fedora bent to them
[02:16] <cmaloney> (Oh, and Raspberry Pi)
[02:17] <cmaloney> I think that might be because I tried hitting a lot of high-availability talks
[02:17] <cmaloney> Anyone else make it out to OLF?
[02:17] <jsjgruber-xt> Couldn't make it
[02:18]  * waldo323 also couldn't make it
[02:18] <cmaloney> Yeah, Michigan was definitely in short-supply down there. :)
[02:19] <cmaloney> The SMLR folks were there.
[02:19] <cmaloney> as was Kevin O'Brien
[02:19] <jsjgruber-xt> SMLR ???
[02:19] <cmaloney> Saturday Morning Linux Review
[02:20] <cmaloney> Anywho, I think there's room for improvement in Ubuntu participation at Ohio Linuxfest
[02:22] <cmaloney> Any questions or comments?
[02:23] <waldo323> Not at this time
[02:23] <cmaloney> OK, final segment
[02:23] <cmaloney> I've been considering stepping down from the contact role for the group for a few months now
[02:23] <cmaloney> so I'd like to make it official. :)
[02:24] <cmaloney> I'd like to step down from the contact role for the group and go to whatever emeretus role former contacts go. :)
[02:24] <cmaloney> I won't do it until we get someone who is willing to take the reigns
[02:25] <cmaloney> But I'm starting to notice my energy waning and my enthusiasm hitting "meh" levels
[02:25] <cmaloney> I'm still planning on being active with the group but would like someone with more enthusiasm / excitement / energy take over for a while.
[02:26] <cmaloney> I think there's still a lot of potential for Ubuntu and the Loco out there
[02:27] <cmaloney> and I'd like to play more of a supporting role for our group. :)
[02:27] <cmaloney> Duties include:
[02:27] <cmaloney> 1) Being the point of contact for the group
[02:27] <cmaloney> 2) is active in, and part of, their LoCo Team. He or she is visible and accessible.
[02:28] <cmaloney> might want to follow the ubuntu-devel, ubuntu-announce, and/or ubuntu-news mailing lists.
[02:28] <cmaloney> heck, here's the low-down
[02:28] <cmaloney> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamContact
[02:28] <cmaloney> If this is you then I'd like to talk.
[02:30] <cmaloney> One other role is helping the group to maintain its official status which expires Nov 2015
[02:30] <cmaloney> So you'll have a year to make things awesome for the renewal. :)
[02:31] <cmaloney> You can contact me off-channel if you'd like
[02:32] <cmaloney> Any questions?
[02:33] <cmaloney> I'll post this to the list as well
[02:33] <waldo323> Not right now :)
[02:33] <jsjgruber-xt> Not for me
[02:33] <waldo323> That's a good idea
[02:33] <cmaloney> OK, that's all I have at the moment
[02:34] <cmaloney> anyone have anything they'd like to add to the meeting?
[02:34] <cmaloney> other than seasoning. :)
[02:34] <waldo323> Like salt
[02:34] <cmaloney> yep
[02:35] <waldo323> Or a hash
[02:35] <waldo323> That doesn't fit as well :-/
[02:36] <jsjgruber-xt> Thanks, Craig.
[02:36] <cmaloney> Not particularly. :)
[02:36] <cmaloney> Thank you all for coming out!
[02:37] <waldo323> Thank you for leading
[02:38] <cmaloney> np. Hope someone else will come along. :)
[11:17] <cmaloney> morning
[12:00] <brousch> I slept through the meeting.  Sorry
[12:00] <brousch> You cannot step down unless you move out of state
[12:11] <wolfger> morning
[12:21] <cmaloney> brousch: Then we continue an unsustainable trajectory toward oblivion. :)
[12:35] <brousch> Does anyone have actual enthusiasm for Ubuntu?
[12:40] <wolfger> Good question.
[12:41] <brousch> cmaloney: What happens if we lose official status?
[13:12] <brousch> Hm, I won my first 2 ladder games against 29ks
[13:15] <mrgoodcat> brousch: i have enthusiasm towards linux and by extension ubuntu
[13:15] <mrgoodcat> does that count?
[13:16] <mrgoodcat> also, this game is over from what i can see
[13:16] <mrgoodcat> you are already winning and I can't see any way I can gain territory, only lose it
[13:16] <brousch> It does not feel like a win
[13:17] <mrgoodcat> lol well we can finish anyways
[13:17] <mrgoodcat> but counting territory, you're winning right now
[13:17] <brousch> Right, but it feels more like I escaped by the skin of my teeth
[13:18] <mrgoodcat> lol
[13:21] <brousch> These last 2 games with you show that I really need to think about fortifying my open spaces better
[13:25] <mrgoodcat> lets just keep going
[13:25] <mrgoodcat> for the practice if nothing else
[13:28] <mrgoodcat> actually no. there is no way for me to improve my situation. good job. your structure is huge and has eyes
[13:28] <brousch> OK
[13:28] <brousch> Mine is good, your right structure is quite open
[13:28] <mrgoodcat> literally every white stone is invincible
[13:28] <mrgoodcat> you win
[13:29] <brousch> That's because you poked into every crevice of my side and made me fortify them all :P
[13:29] <mrgoodcat> i passed
[13:30] <mrgoodcat> reddit and hacker news down.... how am i supposed to pass my time at work?
[13:30] <brousch> working?
[13:30] <mrgoodcat> lol you're funny
[13:30] <mrgoodcat> but really i was joking
[13:31] <brousch> I guess the normal criteria for passing is if you cannot improve your position, you should pass
[13:31] <brousch> Ah, I defeated a 26k
[13:32] <brousch> I should bump up my rating
[13:32] <mrgoodcat> i'm going to join the ladders i guess
[13:33] <brousch> You would have won if I hadn't gotten into that bottom section
[13:34] <mrgoodcat> yep
[13:35] <mrgoodcat> full size board this time?
[13:35] <brousch> Sure
[13:36] <brousch> Hm, it won't let me adjust my rating. I guess it does it automatically after you've played a lot of rated games
[13:37] <mrgoodcat> hmm
[13:54] <cmaloney> brousch: If we lose official status we don't get DVDs and other "perks"
[13:55] <cmaloney> though I think it's more difficult for new teams to get official status than for older teams to lose official status
[13:55] <brousch> I don't want DVDs. they just sit in my office and take up space
[13:56] <cmaloney> yeah, same here
[13:56] <cmaloney> I'm trying to get rid of the 14.04 discs. :)
[13:57] <brousch> I can't remember the last time I installed from CD. It's always USB these days
[13:58] <brousch> Does a box of DVDs cost the same as a 4GB USB stick?
[14:06] <cmaloney> Not sure
[14:06] <cmaloney> I think USB sticks are more expensive than a single DVD though
[14:11] <jrwren> 14.04 is LTS, some folks may still prefer them to 14.10
[14:11] <mrgoodcat> especially server folks
[14:28] <mrgoodcat> we appear to be twisting around each other
[14:29] <brousch> I had a similar game recently
[14:30] <brousch> I'll bet there's some Japanese term for it
[14:31] <mrgoodcat> probably
[14:32] <mrgoodcat> some super short word that's incredibly descriptive
[14:33] <brousch> Translates to "lover's embrace" or "snakes entangled"
[14:38] <mrgoodcat> i've been looking at sequences of moves in professional games, and one thing i noticed is that they almost never play a single battle at a time the way we do
[14:38] <mrgoodcat> 5 moves in one area of the board appears to be the max
[14:38] <mrgoodcat> i wonder why
[14:40] <brousch> I think they mostly sort out a battle, then go somewhere else to be annoying, knowing they will eventually approach that old battle from a different direction
[14:41] <brousch> So the "winner" of the battle can clean it up, but that gives the opponent time to establish himself in some other place
[14:41] <brousch> Or maybe they are playing out 20 moves ahead
[14:53] <brousch> mrgoodcat: exactly :P
[14:53] <mrgoodcat> good job
[14:53] <mrgoodcat> didn't see that coming
[14:53] <mrgoodcat> i actually convinced myself i was ahead there
[14:53] <brousch> Those twisty ones are hard
[14:54] <brousch> You were 1 stone from winning it. I was scared for a while
[14:55] <brousch> It's still not done. You have a nice base above it
[14:59] <brousch> I think the pros move on after only a few moves because they can tell who has the advantage much sooner than we can.
[15:09] <mrgoodcat> but sometimes its like 1 or 2 moves
[15:10] <mrgoodcat> i think they just develop more of the board at the same time. it's possible that it's actually a bad idea to leave parts of the board alone for large segments of time. idk i'm just spitballing
[15:15] <mrgoodcat> lol brousch ignore the message in that one. somehow i got my vimium keys mixed up and pasted the text from an article about signal queueing
[15:15] <brousch> I thought this was some new strategy to distract me
[15:16] <mrgoodcat> lol
[15:46] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Nice. :)
[15:47] <cmaloney> https://github.com/christoomey/vim-tmux-navigator
[16:00] <cmaloney> This will come in handy whenver I'm running tmux and want to swap between different vim sessions
[19:26] <brousch> Hm, the hardware for this sounds exactly like the Acer Iconia W4 I ordered http://linuxgizmos.com/atom-based-ubuntu-touch-tablet-specs-leaked/
[19:44] <greg-g> holy, Tom from CarTalk died :( :(
[19:44] <jrwren> omg!
[19:44] <jrwren> that is so sad.
[20:08] <_stink_> D:
[20:09] <_stink_> woah i didn't realize they were that old
[20:09] <_stink_> well Tom at least
[20:13] <mrgoodcat> that's too bad
[20:13] <mrgoodcat> my dad used to listen to car talk a lot
[20:51] <greg-g> it was my favorite part of our drives down to St Louis on (some) Saturdays
[20:59] <cmaloney> Yeah, they went off the air a while ago
[21:10] <cmaloney> What... the... Fsck... http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/11/03/filevault_2_mac_users_unsaved_files_and_screenshots_are_automatically_uploaded.html
[21:17] <greg-g> "but these files are being stored on the Cloud instead" lost respect in the reporter/their editors right there
[21:17] <jrwren> greg-g: why?  "on" instead of "in"?  upper cased "cloud" ?
[21:18] <brousch> Everyone knows you store in the cloud, not on it. That's just silly.
[21:18] <greg-g> wboth
[21:18] <greg-g> -w