[02:23] ochosi: added a new comment and patch to the HDMI bug, please take a look when you get a chance. [03:08] !info thunar vivid [03:08] thunar (source: thunar): File Manager for Xfce. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.6.3-1ubuntu5 (vivid), package size 250 kB, installed size 908 kB [03:08] !info thunar vivid-proposed [03:08] Package thunar does not exist in vivid-proposed [03:09] lies [03:09] And slander. Also, it's not live feed, updates cache every morning. [03:10] ah [03:10] I'll wake it up tomorrow then :) [03:10] anyway, pushed updates to xubuntu-default-settings, xubuntu-meta, and thunar [03:10] so yay, productive night [03:12] * bluesabre wishes brainwash had a persistent client so he could be pinged after-hours [03:24] $ rmadison thunar | grep vivid [03:24] thunar | 1.6.3-2ubuntu1 | vivid/universe | source, amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, powerpc, ppc64el [03:56] thats the one [03:57] ^ forestpiskie, thunar fix in vivid above ... will pkg and upload to utopic tomorrow [05:29] bluesabre: http://paste.openstack.org/show/vGDcjIMoqZGDLyRxJa1S outdated in the xfce4-4.12 ppa. [09:32] morning everyone [10:32] morning ochosi [10:33] see my ping? [10:33] hey bluesabre [10:33] yeah, i'll try to test that asap [10:33] the xfsettings one you mean, right? [10:34] it might still be helpful for the dialog/s to be a singleton, but i guess if your fix works, that's fine for now [10:34] yes, thats the one [10:35] I thought trying to make it a singleton might start an issue with the pluggable dialog in the settings manager [10:35] hmyeah, that's the problem of making both dialogs *one* singleton i guess [10:38] hm, that's maybe a different issue, but... [10:38] the secondary monitor receives a leading "2." [10:38] the internal display of the laptop is simply called "Laptop" [10:38] oh, no "1." ? [10:38] nope [10:39] thats a different issue, I can look into that one separately [10:39] http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-11-03-113936.php [10:39] your patch seems to work just fine btw [10:39] no more crazy popping up minimal dialogs on my end [10:40] have to admit that this time i tested on utopic, last time i tested on trusty [10:40] can quickly test trusty too though [10:41] were there any specific steps i need to follow btw? i just tried out all the setups i could think of... (disconnect cable, reconnect cable, mirror, extend, only hdmi, only lvds) [10:42] that's basically what I did... I reordered to code to do some things in a different order. The logic should be sound. [10:44] cool [10:44] i think you can push that [10:45] i'm wondering whether we should put the numbering of the displays somewhere else, i.e. not in the name-string on the DND displays [10:45] I'll give it until tonight, then finally fix that annoying bug :) [10:46] ochosi: if we do, we'll have to add more logic somewhere... those strings are used everywhere [10:46] oh [10:46] in that case, let's not :> [10:51] :) [11:10] brainwash: ping [11:10] ^ please nominate https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1382977 for utopic and vivid (fixed in vivid) [11:10] Ubuntu bug 1382977 in thunar "Thunar open default not respecting mimetype" [Critical,Fix released] [11:17] elfy: do you know whether gtk3.14 has landed in vivid already? [11:26] !info libgtk-3-0 vivid [11:26] libgtk-3-0 (source: gtk+3.0): GTK+ graphical user interface library. In component main, is optional. Version 3.12.2-0ubuntu16 (vivid), package size 2178 kB, installed size 7776 kB [11:27] ochosi ^ I'm guessing no [11:28] yeah, seems like it [11:28] i'm really gonna need a gtk3.14 test-env soonish [11:28] and i don't feel like messing up my system with that ppa you "recommended ":) [11:28] It definitely wasn't a recommendation ;) [11:33] ochosi: anything else critical to take care of xfce4-settings? [11:33] hm, i don't think so [11:34] but we can quickly skim through the related bugzillas if you want [11:35] oh dang, theres a lot of bug reports [11:38] well obviously :) [11:38] but the question was whether there are any ciritcal ones [11:38] that we'd have to check [11:39] right [11:39] several of these are from 2012 and earlier [11:39] they may very well be fixed [11:39] yeah, i've never really looked at clearing that up tbh [11:41] i just closed a bugreport btw ;) [11:42] woo [11:43] and marked another as duplicate [11:43] nothing particularly critical for display-settings, but several interesting ones with xfsettingsd https://bugzilla.xfce.org/buglist.cgi?component=Xfsettingsd&list_id=19471&product=Xfce4-settings&resolution=--- [11:44] we could consider marking it as wontfix or testing it at least: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10069 [11:44] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 10069 in Display Settings "PATCH: Add gamma correction and brightness slider to xfce4-display-settings" [Normal,New] [11:44] yeah, and a "funny" one :https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10419 [11:45] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 10419 in Xfsettingsd "black screen at resume" [Major,New] [11:45] ugh, your sense of humor is lacking [11:46] bluesabre: this one is a good find though: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9091 [11:46] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 9091 in Display Settings "Laptop monitor selection key behavior is inconsistent with other desktop environments" [Normal,New] [11:46] look at the last comment [11:47] the closing with Esc is implemented already [11:47] and the rest should be fixed once you push your patch [11:48] ah, that one looks annoying, and will definitely require a singleton to maybe fix... [11:49] oh hey, I actually have that key, and it works [11:49] that means I might be able to test/fix that issue [11:49] :) [11:50] I'll try to take a look at that one tonight [11:50] cool [11:50] gotta get some work done now [11:50] bbl [11:51] if you see brainwash_ around, poke him for lp 1382977 [11:51] Launchpad bug 1382977 in thunar "Thunar open default not respecting mimetype" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1382977 [11:51] to set for utopic and vivid series [11:51] bbl [12:02] could use memoserv [12:04] sent him a memoserv note [12:04] let's see if he looks at it when he joins the next time :) [12:04] bbl -> [12:39] ochosi: as you've found out - not yet :) [12:40] also - alpha's was on the agenda for the last meeting - didn't get touched - I'd like to know sooner rather than later what we're doing this cycle [14:18] elfy: I think it was discussed that alphas would depend on when systemd was switched to default. It might make sense to at least go for alpha2 [14:18] maybe not during the mtg though [15:16] bluesabre: lol - well that would have been the time I looked :D [15:16] and yea I would agree with that [15:40] found annoying issue #1 for vampire - numlock turns off halfway through boot :) [15:55] hi folks [15:55] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4441 [15:55] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 4441 in General "balou splash screen causes lockup on login" [Major,New] [15:55] please have a look and comment, does this still happen? [16:08] anyone got any idea why apps would go all gtk2 ish ? http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-021114-100103.php [16:09] xfsettingsd crashed? [16:10] not sure - I've rebooted since it happened - but it is happening rather frequently atm [16:10] next time I will check that - thanks ochosi :) [16:10] sure thing [16:10] i'm pretty sure that's what causes it [16:10] okey doke [16:10] but it'd be good to know what causes xfsettingsd to crash [16:10] best to look in the logs [16:11] bluesabre: do you suddenly have irc during the day? [16:11] pretty certain I've only been seeing it since adding the 2 ppa's here - but circumstantial [16:12] ochosi: while you're here - what's your take on alpha's? bluesabre said a2 at least [16:12] well i think one of those PPAs contained xfce4-settings [16:12] yeah, i haven't had time to comment yet – i agree with the two of you [16:12] yep - just checked - I'll follow up on that xfsettingsd with this [16:13] ochosi: ok cool - that works for me :) [16:13] cool [16:14] then the release team has spoken :) [16:14] :D [16:14] I'll whip it off the agenda [16:15] ish [16:15] leaving core for the moment till we make a decision on that [16:16] yup, good idea [16:16] well, it wasn't a "proper" meeting, because not many ppl were about [16:16] and those that were, only were semi-about [16:17] so we made it a bit more informal instead of postponing it [16:17] yea - I'm never able to - unless not working [16:56] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7463 anyone with a Virtualbox under hand? [16:56] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 7463 in General "Every alternate Xfce login and session is painfully slow here" [Major,New] [16:56] oops wrong report [16:56] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7951 [16:56] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 7951 in Panel "Panel crashes when moving to bottom - Virtualbox related" [Major,New] [17:17] sidi: well ... [17:17] I've not seen that issue in the last couple of years [17:17] bit old [17:21] elfy, next time you boot up a VM for QA would you mind trying to reproduce? :-) [17:21] so we can close it with certainty [17:21] (or if you already tested the panels recently i can ask for it to be closed directly...) [17:24] sidi, I've just reproduced the steps in https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7951 and I didn't have any crashes [17:24] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 7951 in Panel "Panel crashes when moving to bottom - Virtualbox related" [Major,New] [17:24] slickymaster, thanks :-) [17:25] sidi: booted with my 15.04 vm - logged into xubuntu, moved panel from top to bottom, set to vertical moved it from side to side, set to deskbar - did the same, logged out and into xfce session - repeated them all again [17:25] this is on VBox 4.3.12 with Guest Addittions [17:25] newer vbox here [17:26] slicky what xub version? [17:26] i'll write that down i nthe report [17:26] 14.10 sidi [17:26] elfy also if you have your VBox version :-) [17:26] sidi: for sure I've looked at panels in 15.04/14.10/14.04 [17:26] (i meant the vbox) [17:27] sidi: 4.3.18 [17:27] sidi, with 3.16.0-22 kernel version [17:27] Great, thanks to both of you [17:27] sidi: yea - I was just telling you what I'd seen it on :) [17:27] I've already had post it -> this is on VBox 4.3.12 with Guest Addittions [17:36] oops [17:36] :) [18:23] bluesabre: someone has to do the SRU paperwork for this bug [18:47] ochosi: now that you are familiar with xdg-screensaver script -> bug 1366153 [18:47] bug 1366153 in xdg-utils (Ubuntu) "xdg-screensaver doesn't lock screen with light-locker" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1366153 [19:37] ochosi: so - how would I tell if it is xfsettingsd crashing? [19:43] in the meantime I've purged staging and will see if it happens with stock [19:47] elfy: that is definitely xfsettings crash [19:47] unless XChat is Qt, there's some problem with Qt themes not getting loaded [19:48] not qt as far as I know ali1234 [19:48] pgrep xfsettingsd [19:48] is it running? [19:48] it was yes [19:49] could be hung then [19:49] mmm [19:49] try killing it, it should restart and the theme should come back [19:50] well I've restarted xchat and purged the staging PPA - so not actually going to be looking at the same set of circumstances [19:50] I'll carry on now as I am - if it does the same I'll kill it and see what happens [19:51] but if xfsettings did crash and/or hung - why has nothing else seen the same thing graphically? [19:52] i don't know [19:52] ali1234: so I killed it [19:52] it should affect all programs [19:52] I see xchat looking like that now - I also see firefox/tbird and clementine looking like it [19:52] previously only xchat [19:53] seems like it's not a xfsettings crash then [19:53] start xfsettings and f/f and t/b are ok - xchat and clementine(QT) not [19:54] fail - clementine is ok [19:55] so it looks like an xfsettings crash - but it only appears to affect xchat :) [19:55] yeah, maybe xchat doesn't notice when it comes back [20:51] Unit193: can you do some notes on http://pad.ubuntu.com/vivid-QA-plan re Core and what you think would be the best way to deal with testing it ? [20:52] Uhhh.. [20:53] thanks :) [20:53] Sure, but isn't it just "test it only when big stacks land"? [20:53] fine by me - but can you put it on there - I for one am not going to try and remember things this cycle [20:54] once all the pads are done and we're happy I'll get everything onto trello [20:54] but - for that how are we going to monitor "when big stacks land" ? [20:55] Nono, sure, that's fine, just making sure I'm not being too vague. Basically, when Gnome things hit and we're worried about pulling more things than desired in. [20:56] well everything is vague atm - there's no release schedule for a start [20:56] and we can plan as much as we like - but there are no trackers either :) [20:57] That good or should I say more? [20:58] that's fine - just saves trying to remember stuff later [20:58] thanks [20:58] Sure. [20:58] No problem. [20:58] and if you think of anything else - add it - for anything obvioulsy not just core [20:59] ochosi: at some point *soon* we'll need to try and finalise this incentive scheme too [21:00] elfy: indeed [21:00] i mean it seemed to me that there was an agreement on how it should look [21:00] i mean in terms of what people get for participating [21:00] not sure what the last thing was you saw - there was talk of certificates too possibly :) [21:01] certificates? [21:01] oh, then i didn't see the last rev i guess :) [21:01] where's it at these days? [21:02] knome: thought about it - design and print things [21:02] http://pad.ubuntu.com/QAIncentive [21:02] you mean like actual pieces of paper printed out and sent via snail mail to be hung on walls and the like? [21:02] at some point it will need to be wiki'd or x.org'd [21:02] I guess :) [21:03] indeed [21:03] and the colorful part needs to be cleaned up a li'l [21:03] i mean from my pov it's pretty much ready to go ahead [21:04] not following - colourful part? [21:04] well, the part that was edited by multiple people ;) [21:04] in the pad, that's colorful [21:04] oh right - yea - whole thing needs cleaning up properly [21:05] thinking about it - x.org would probably be the place to keep it rather than wiki - wiki anyone can edit it [21:05] guess it's a question of -marketing stepping in and finalising it [21:05] or: pleia2 and knome :) [21:05] I'd say so - then I can let go of the string :D [21:06] http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-qa-v-cycle [21:06] i can design the certs [21:06] i can probably even do that today, or at least a draft [21:07] ochosi: draft QA processes is better than the last time you saw it too, just needs to be finished - soon(ish) [21:07] knome: evening :) [21:07] hello elfy [21:10] elfy: oh, cool, i'll take a look in a little bit [21:10] i was just linking another bug to our v-tracker [21:10] stickers too? [21:11] I need to know how many we want so I can let unixstickers know :) [21:11] * ochosi kindly asked robert ancell to patch the headerbars out of simplescan for xubuntu and he agreed [21:11] pleia2: basically yes [21:11] 2 at most per month per cycle and I suppose we should look at least for 1 cycle [21:12] ok, so start off with a dozen or so sheets of stickers? [21:12] and maybe a couple more for us (I want some!) [21:12] huhu, me too :| [21:12] that would be enough for 15.04 for sure [21:12] ^ me plz! [21:12] :D [21:13] :) [21:13] knome: got time for some artwork talk? [21:13] ochosi, i guess so :) [21:13] just some small things i've been thinking about [21:13] sure [21:13] 1) the panel icons [21:13] 2) xfwm4 theme tweaks [21:14] ad 1) i've been considering to port the new icons from upstream [21:14] started with battery icons first, i think they look quite nice [21:14] so far so good. [21:14] but they are a bit smaller [21:14] which is nice, because it gives the icons in the panel more padding, makes it look loftier [21:15] also means touching some of the other icons (not too many though) [21:15] screenshots / comparisons available? [21:16] pro is: better ability to resize panels below 24px height [21:16] (without cropping icons, that is) [21:16] http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-11-03-221640.php [21:16] proposed ^ [21:17] the current one you should see on your laptop i guess [21:17] if not, this is an old screenshot where it's visible too: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-08-03-122819.php [21:18] frankly, the current one feels a little too tall, so i don't mind changing that [21:18] but the proposed one is a bit smaller and makes the other icons feel just a tick too big [21:18] holy icon city [21:18] the resizing is not a huge problem, but before i get into it, i wanted a second opinion [21:19] ochosi, i dislike the proposed power icon, feels a bit too squeezed imo [21:19] even with an 18px panel, the icon remains usable (though cropped by 1px, so not extremely pretty) https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/261436/4881743/e6614758-634c-11e4-8107-eaae532755f2.png [21:21] elfy, bug assignee was good! [21:21] gotta find a screenshot of the icon together with others of its size i guess, kinda puts it in perspective a bit better [21:21] prolly [21:22] if the resolution werent a bit low, you could see the diff quite nicely here: http://www.elementaryos-fr.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/luna_freya.jpeg [21:23] "thanks" i guess :P [21:24] this is a bit better: http://i.imgur.com/vX4z0pO.png [21:25] hmph, i still don't like it [21:29] dunno, i kinda do :) [21:30] well there's literally your "second opinion" then ;) [21:30] hehe [21:30] knome: lol - I didn't do anything for it really [21:30] i'll have to get a third then :D [21:30] black on black [21:31] elfy, you did :P [21:31] elfy, anyway, as long as it's linked to status.ubuntu.com, i think it's better to have *some* assignee than none [21:31] then whoever pushed it should be assigned [21:32] imo [21:32] i guess i did the pushing action [21:32] and you and slickymaster did the majority of the rest of it - the result isn't anything like what I did [21:33] stop being so humble :P [21:33] lol [21:34] I wrote something and then it got changed - what's humble about that :) [21:34] anyway - enough of that [21:34] knome: "Welcome back" [21:36] Unit193, "Thanks" [21:43] "night all" [21:45] knome: soo... [21:45] ad 2) there is an xfwm4 branch of greybird in git [21:45] if you wanna take a quick look [21:46] since i only changed the hover/pressed states, you have to try it, screenshots won't cut it [21:46] aww [21:46] ;) [21:47] remind me another day [21:48] hah, lazy knome [21:55] very [22:02] brainwash: frankly, xdg-screensaver is such a mess, especially in ubuntu, i'm not a huge fan of touching it again. lubuntu can fix this easily by shipping their own xflock4 script in some package [23:33] bluesabre: xfdesktop4 .8 in Debian now, fixes a spelling error in xfdesktop4-dbg synopsis. [23:36] forestpiskie, just for the record let me state that I concur with knome's reasoning, as as far as I'm concerned, the main lifting was made by you, not us