[02:23] <bluesabre> ochosi: added a new comment and patch to the HDMI bug, please take a look when you get a chance.
[03:08] <bluesabre> !info thunar vivid
[03:08] <bluesabre> !info thunar vivid-proposed
[03:09] <bluesabre> lies
[03:09] <Unit193> And slander.  Also, it's not live feed, updates cache every morning.
[03:10] <bluesabre> ah
[03:10] <bluesabre> I'll wake it up tomorrow then :)
[03:10] <bluesabre> anyway, pushed updates to xubuntu-default-settings, xubuntu-meta, and thunar
[03:10] <bluesabre> so yay, productive night
[03:12]  * bluesabre wishes brainwash had a persistent client so he could be pinged after-hours
[03:24] <skellat> $ rmadison thunar | grep vivid
[03:24] <skellat>  thunar | 1.6.3-2ubuntu1 | vivid/universe   | source, amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, powerpc, ppc64el
[03:56] <bluesabre> thats the one
[03:57] <bluesabre> ^ forestpiskie, thunar fix in vivid above ... will pkg and upload to utopic tomorrow
[05:29] <Unit193> bluesabre: http://paste.openstack.org/show/vGDcjIMoqZGDLyRxJa1S outdated in the xfce4-4.12 ppa.
[09:32] <ochosi> morning everyone
[10:32] <bluesabre> morning ochosi
[10:33] <bluesabre> see my ping?
[10:33] <ochosi> hey bluesabre 
[10:33] <ochosi> yeah, i'll try to test that asap
[10:33] <ochosi> the xfsettings one you mean, right?
[10:34] <ochosi> it might still be helpful for the dialog/s to be a singleton, but i guess if your fix works, that's fine for now
[10:34] <bluesabre> yes, thats the one
[10:35] <bluesabre> I thought trying to make it a singleton might start an issue with the pluggable dialog in the settings manager
[10:35] <ochosi> hmyeah, that's the problem of making both dialogs *one* singleton i guess
[10:38] <ochosi> hm, that's maybe a different issue, but...
[10:38] <ochosi> the secondary monitor receives a leading "2."
[10:38] <ochosi> the internal display of the laptop is simply called "Laptop"
[10:38] <bluesabre> oh, no "1." ?
[10:38] <ochosi> nope
[10:39] <bluesabre> thats a different issue, I can look into that one separately
[10:39] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-11-03-113936.php
[10:39] <ochosi> your patch seems to work just fine btw
[10:39] <ochosi> no more crazy popping up minimal dialogs on my end
[10:40] <ochosi> have to admit that this time i tested on utopic, last time i tested on trusty
[10:40] <ochosi> can quickly test trusty too though
[10:41] <ochosi> were there any specific steps i need to follow btw? i just tried out all the setups i could think of... (disconnect cable, reconnect cable, mirror, extend, only hdmi, only lvds)
[10:42] <bluesabre> that's basically what I did... I reordered to code to do some things in a different order. The logic should be sound.
[10:44] <ochosi> cool
[10:44] <ochosi> i think you can push that
[10:45] <ochosi> i'm wondering whether we should put the numbering of the displays somewhere else, i.e. not in the name-string on the DND displays
[10:45] <bluesabre> I'll give it until tonight, then finally fix that annoying bug :)
[10:46] <bluesabre> ochosi: if we do, we'll have to add more logic somewhere... those strings are used everywhere
[10:46] <ochosi> oh
[10:46] <ochosi> in that case, let's not :>
[10:51] <bluesabre> :)
[11:10] <bluesabre> brainwash: ping
[11:10] <bluesabre> ^ please nominate https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1382977 for utopic and vivid (fixed in vivid)
[11:17] <ochosi> elfy: do you know whether gtk3.14 has landed in vivid already?
[11:26] <bluesabre> !info libgtk-3-0 vivid
[11:27] <bluesabre> ochosi ^ I'm guessing no
[11:28] <ochosi> yeah, seems like it
[11:28] <ochosi> i'm really gonna need a gtk3.14 test-env soonish
[11:28] <ochosi> and i don't feel like messing up my system with that ppa you "recommended ":)
[11:28] <bluesabre> It definitely wasn't a recommendation ;)
[11:33] <bluesabre> ochosi: anything else critical to take care of xfce4-settings?
[11:33] <ochosi> hm, i don't think so
[11:34] <ochosi> but we can quickly skim through the related bugzillas if you want
[11:35] <bluesabre> oh dang, theres a lot of bug reports
[11:38] <ochosi> well obviously :)
[11:38] <ochosi> but the question was whether there are any ciritcal ones
[11:38] <ochosi> that we'd have to check
[11:39] <bluesabre> right
[11:39] <bluesabre> several of these are from 2012 and earlier
[11:39] <bluesabre> they may very well be fixed
[11:39] <ochosi> yeah, i've never really looked at clearing that up tbh
[11:41] <ochosi> i just closed a bugreport btw ;)
[11:42] <bluesabre> woo
[11:43] <ochosi> and marked another as duplicate
[11:43] <bluesabre> nothing particularly critical for display-settings, but several interesting ones with xfsettingsd https://bugzilla.xfce.org/buglist.cgi?component=Xfsettingsd&list_id=19471&product=Xfce4-settings&resolution=---
[11:44] <ochosi> we could consider marking it as wontfix or testing it at least: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10069
[11:44] <ochosi> yeah, and a "funny" one :https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10419
[11:45] <bluesabre> ugh, your sense of humor is lacking
[11:46] <ochosi> bluesabre: this one is a good find though: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9091
[11:46] <ochosi> look at the last comment
[11:47] <ochosi> the closing with Esc is implemented already
[11:47] <ochosi> and the rest should be fixed once you push your patch
[11:48] <bluesabre> ah, that one looks annoying, and will definitely require a singleton to maybe fix... 
[11:49] <bluesabre> oh hey, I actually have that key, and it works
[11:49] <bluesabre> that means I might be able to test/fix that issue
[11:49] <ochosi> :)
[11:50] <bluesabre> I'll try to take a look at that one tonight
[11:50] <ochosi> cool
[11:50] <ochosi> gotta get some work done now
[11:50] <ochosi> bbl
[11:51] <bluesabre> if you see brainwash_ around, poke him for lp 1382977
[11:51] <bluesabre> to set for utopic and vivid series
[11:51] <bluesabre> bbl
[12:02] <knome> could use memoserv
[12:04] <knome> sent him a memoserv note
[12:04] <knome> let's see if he looks at it when he joins the next time :)
[12:04] <knome> bbl ->
[12:39] <elfy> ochosi: as you've found out - not yet :) 
[12:40] <elfy> also - alpha's was on the agenda for the last meeting - didn't get touched - I'd like to know sooner rather than later what we're doing this cycle
[14:18] <bluesabre> elfy: I think it was discussed that alphas would depend on when systemd was switched to default. It might make sense to at least go for alpha2
[14:18] <bluesabre> maybe not during the mtg though
[15:16] <elfy> bluesabre: lol - well that would have been the time I looked :D
[15:16] <elfy> and yea I would agree with that
[15:40] <elfy> found annoying issue #1 for vampire - numlock turns off halfway through boot :)
[15:55] <sidi> hi folks
[15:55] <sidi> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4441
[15:55] <sidi> please have a look and comment, does this still happen?
[16:08] <elfy> anyone got any idea why apps would go all gtk2 ish ? http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-021114-100103.php
[16:09] <ochosi> xfsettingsd crashed?
[16:10] <elfy> not sure - I've rebooted since it happened - but it is happening rather frequently atm
[16:10] <elfy> next time I will check that - thanks ochosi :)
[16:10] <ochosi> sure thing
[16:10] <ochosi> i'm pretty sure that's what causes it
[16:10] <elfy> okey doke
[16:10] <ochosi> but it'd be good to know what causes xfsettingsd to crash
[16:10] <ochosi> best to look in the logs
[16:11] <ochosi> bluesabre: do you suddenly have irc during the day?
[16:11] <elfy> pretty certain I've only been seeing it since adding the 2 ppa's here - but circumstantial
[16:12] <elfy> ochosi: while you're here - what's your take on alpha's? bluesabre said a2 at least
[16:12] <ochosi> well i think one of those PPAs contained xfce4-settings
[16:12] <ochosi> yeah, i haven't had time to comment yet – i agree with the two of you
[16:12] <elfy> yep - just checked - I'll follow up on that xfsettingsd with this
[16:13] <elfy> ochosi: ok cool - that works for me :)
[16:13] <ochosi> cool
[16:14] <ochosi> then the release team has spoken :)
[16:14] <elfy> :D
[16:14] <elfy> I'll whip it off the agenda 
[16:15] <elfy> ish
[16:15] <elfy> leaving core for the moment till we make a decision on that
[16:16] <ochosi> yup, good idea
[16:16] <ochosi> well, it wasn't a "proper" meeting, because not many ppl were about
[16:16] <ochosi> and those that were, only were semi-about
[16:17] <ochosi> so we made it a bit more informal instead of postponing it
[16:17] <elfy> yea - I'm never able to - unless not working
[16:56] <sidi> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7463 anyone with a Virtualbox under hand?
[16:56] <sidi> oops wrong report
[16:56] <sidi> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7951
[17:17] <elfy> sidi: well ... 
[17:17] <elfy> I've not seen that issue in the last couple of years 
[17:17] <elfy> bit old 
[17:21] <sidi> elfy, next time you boot up a VM for QA would you mind trying to reproduce? :-)
[17:21] <sidi> so we can close it with certainty
[17:21] <sidi> (or if you already tested the panels recently i can ask for it to be closed directly...)
[17:24] <slickymasterWork> sidi, I've just reproduced the steps in https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7951 and I didn't have any crashes 
[17:24] <sidi> slickymaster, thanks :-)
[17:25] <elfy> sidi: booted with my 15.04 vm - logged into xubuntu, moved panel from top to bottom, set to vertical moved it from side to side, set to deskbar - did the same, logged out and into xfce session - repeated them all again
[17:25] <slickymasterWork> this is on VBox 4.3.12 with Guest Addittions
[17:25] <elfy> newer vbox here 
[17:26] <sidi> slicky what xub version?
[17:26] <sidi> i'll write that down i nthe report
[17:26] <slickymasterWork> 14.10 sidi 
[17:26] <sidi> elfy also if you have your VBox version :-)
[17:26] <elfy> sidi: for sure I've looked at panels in 15.04/14.10/14.04 
[17:26] <sidi> (i meant the vbox)
[17:27] <elfy> sidi: 4.3.18 
[17:27] <slickymasterWork> sidi, with 3.16.0-22 kernel version
[17:27] <sidi> Great, thanks to both of you
[17:27] <elfy> sidi: yea - I was just telling you what I'd seen it on :)
[17:27] <slickymasterWork> I've already had post it -> this is on VBox 4.3.12 with Guest Addittions
[17:36] <sidi> oops
[17:36] <elfy> :)
[18:23] <brainwash> bluesabre: someone has to do the SRU paperwork for this bug
[18:47] <brainwash> ochosi: now that you are familiar with xdg-screensaver script -> bug 1366153
[19:37] <elfy> ochosi: so - how would I tell if it is xfsettingsd crashing?
[19:43] <elfy> in the meantime I've purged staging and will see if it happens with stock 
[19:47] <ali1234> elfy: that is definitely xfsettings crash
[19:47] <ali1234> unless XChat is Qt, there's some problem with Qt themes not getting loaded
[19:48] <elfy> not qt as far as I know ali1234 
[19:48] <ali1234> pgrep xfsettingsd
[19:48] <ali1234> is it running?
[19:48] <elfy> it was yes
[19:49] <ali1234> could be hung then
[19:49] <elfy> mmm 
[19:49] <ali1234> try killing it, it should restart and the theme should come back
[19:50] <elfy> well I've restarted xchat and purged the staging PPA - so not actually going to be looking at the same set of circumstances
[19:50] <elfy> I'll carry on now as I am - if it does the same I'll kill it and see what happens
[19:51] <elfy> but if xfsettings did crash and/or hung - why has nothing else seen the same thing graphically?
[19:52] <ali1234> i don't know
[19:52] <elfy> ali1234: so I killed it
[19:52] <ali1234> it should affect all programs
[19:52] <elfy> I see xchat looking like that now - I also see firefox/tbird and clementine looking like it 
[19:52] <elfy> previously only xchat 
[19:53] <ali1234> seems like it's not a xfsettings crash then
[19:53] <elfy> start xfsettings and f/f and t/b are ok - xchat and clementine(QT) not 
[19:54] <elfy> fail - clementine is ok
[19:55] <elfy> so it looks like an xfsettings crash - but it only appears to affect xchat :)
[19:55] <ali1234> yeah, maybe xchat doesn't notice when it comes back
[20:51] <elfy> Unit193: can you do some notes on http://pad.ubuntu.com/vivid-QA-plan re Core and what you think would be the best way to deal with testing it ?
[20:52] <Unit193> Uhhh..
[20:53] <elfy> thanks :)
[20:53] <Unit193> Sure, but isn't it just "test it only when big stacks land"?
[20:53] <elfy> fine by me - but can you put it on there - I for one am not going to try and remember things this cycle
[20:54] <elfy> once all the pads are done and we're happy I'll get everything onto trello
[20:54] <elfy> but - for that how are we going to monitor "when big stacks land" ?
[20:55] <Unit193> Nono, sure, that's fine, just making sure I'm not being too vague.  Basically, when Gnome things hit and we're worried about pulling more things than desired in.
[20:56] <elfy> well everything is vague atm - there's no release schedule for a start
[20:56] <elfy> and we can plan as much as we like - but there are no trackers either :)
[20:57] <Unit193> That good or should I say more?
[20:58] <elfy> that's fine - just saves trying to remember stuff later 
[20:58] <elfy> thanks
[20:58] <Unit193> Sure.
[20:58] <Unit193> No problem.
[20:58] <elfy> and if you think of anything else - add it - for anything obvioulsy not just core
[20:59] <elfy> ochosi: at some point *soon* we'll need to try and finalise this incentive scheme too 
[21:00] <ochosi> elfy: indeed
[21:00] <ochosi> i mean it seemed to me that there was an agreement on how it should look
[21:00] <ochosi> i mean in terms of what people get for participating
[21:00] <elfy> not sure what the last thing was you saw - there was talk of certificates too possibly :)
[21:01] <ochosi> certificates?
[21:01] <ochosi> oh, then i didn't see the last rev i guess :)
[21:01] <ochosi> where's it at these days?
[21:02] <elfy> knome: thought about it - design and print things 
[21:02] <elfy> http://pad.ubuntu.com/QAIncentive
[21:02] <ochosi> you mean like actual pieces of paper printed out and sent via snail mail to be hung on walls and the like?
[21:02] <elfy> at some point it will need to be wiki'd or x.org'd 
[21:02] <elfy> I guess :)
[21:03] <ochosi> indeed
[21:03] <ochosi> and the colorful part needs to be cleaned up a li'l
[21:03] <ochosi> i mean from my pov it's pretty much ready to go ahead
[21:04] <elfy> not following - colourful part?
[21:04] <ochosi> well, the part that was edited by multiple people ;)
[21:04] <ochosi> in the pad, that's colorful
[21:04] <elfy> oh right - yea - whole thing needs cleaning up properly
[21:05] <elfy> thinking about it - x.org would probably be the place to keep it rather than wiki - wiki anyone can edit it
[21:05] <ochosi> guess it's a question of -marketing stepping in and finalising it
[21:05] <ochosi> or: pleia2 and knome :)
[21:05] <elfy> I'd say so - then I can let go of the string :D
[21:06] <elfy> http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-qa-v-cycle
[21:06] <knome> i can design the certs
[21:06] <knome> i can probably even do that today, or at least a draft
[21:07] <elfy> ochosi: draft QA processes is better than the last time you saw it too, just needs to be finished - soon(ish)
[21:07] <elfy> knome: evening :)
[21:07] <knome> hello elfy 
[21:10] <ochosi> elfy: oh, cool, i'll take a look in a little bit
[21:10] <ochosi> i was just linking another bug to our v-tracker
[21:10] <pleia2> stickers too?
[21:11] <pleia2> I need to know how many we want so I can let unixstickers know :)
[21:11]  * ochosi kindly asked robert ancell to patch the headerbars out of simplescan for xubuntu and he agreed
[21:11] <elfy> pleia2: basically yes
[21:11] <elfy> 2 at most per month per cycle and I suppose we should look at least for 1 cycle
[21:12] <pleia2> ok, so start off with a dozen or so sheets of stickers?
[21:12] <pleia2> and maybe a couple more for us (I want some!)
[21:12] <knome> huhu, me too :|
[21:12] <elfy> that would be enough for 15.04 for sure
[21:12] <knome> ^ me plz!
[21:12] <knome> :D
[21:13] <pleia2> :)
[21:13] <ochosi> knome: got time for some artwork talk?
[21:13] <knome> ochosi, i guess so :)
[21:13] <ochosi> just some small things i've been thinking about
[21:13] <knome> sure
[21:13] <ochosi> 1) the panel icons
[21:13] <ochosi> 2) xfwm4 theme tweaks
[21:14] <ochosi> ad 1) i've been considering to port the new icons from upstream
[21:14] <ochosi> started with battery icons first, i think they look quite nice
[21:14] <ochosi> so far so good.
[21:14] <ochosi> but they are a bit smaller
[21:14] <ochosi> which is nice, because it gives the icons in the panel more padding, makes it look loftier
[21:15] <ochosi> also means touching some of the other icons (not too many though)
[21:15] <knome> screenshots / comparisons available?
[21:16] <ochosi> pro is: better ability to resize panels below 24px height
[21:16] <ochosi> (without cropping icons, that is)
[21:16] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-11-03-221640.php
[21:16] <ochosi> proposed ^
[21:17] <ochosi> the current one you should see on your laptop i guess
[21:17] <ochosi> if not, this is an old screenshot where it's visible too: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-08-03-122819.php
[21:18] <ochosi> frankly, the current one feels a little too tall, so i don't mind changing that
[21:18] <ochosi> but the proposed one is a bit smaller and makes the other icons feel just a tick too big
[21:18] <elfy> holy icon city
[21:18] <ochosi> the resizing is not a huge problem, but before i get into it, i wanted a second opinion
[21:19] <knome> ochosi, i dislike the proposed power icon, feels a bit too squeezed imo
[21:19] <ochosi> even with an 18px panel, the icon remains usable (though cropped by 1px, so not extremely pretty) https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/261436/4881743/e6614758-634c-11e4-8107-eaae532755f2.png
[21:21] <knome> elfy, bug assignee was good!
[21:21] <ochosi> gotta find a screenshot of the icon together with others of its size i guess, kinda puts it in perspective a bit better
[21:21] <knome> prolly
[21:22] <ochosi> if the resolution werent a bit low, you could see the diff quite nicely here: http://www.elementaryos-fr.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/luna_freya.jpeg
[21:23] <knome> "thanks" i guess :P
[21:24] <ochosi> this is a bit better: http://i.imgur.com/vX4z0pO.png
[21:25] <knome> hmph, i still don't like it
[21:29] <ochosi> dunno, i kinda do :)
[21:30] <knome> well there's literally your "second opinion" then ;)
[21:30] <ochosi> hehe
[21:30] <elfy> knome: lol - I didn't do anything for it really 
[21:30] <ochosi> i'll have to get a third then :D
[21:30] <elfy> black on black
[21:31] <knome> elfy, you did :P
[21:31] <knome> elfy, anyway, as long as it's linked to status.ubuntu.com, i think it's better to have *some* assignee than none
[21:31] <elfy> then whoever pushed it should be assigned 
[21:32] <elfy> imo
[21:32] <knome> i guess i did the pushing action
[21:32] <elfy> and you and slickymaster did the majority of the rest of it - the result isn't anything like what I did
[21:33] <knome> stop being so humble :P
[21:33] <elfy> lol 
[21:34] <elfy> I wrote something and then it got changed - what's humble about that :)
[21:34] <elfy> anyway - enough of that 
[21:34] <Unit193> knome: "Welcome back"
[21:36] <knome> Unit193, "Thanks"
[21:43] <elfy> "night all"
[21:45] <ochosi> knome: soo...
[21:45] <ochosi> ad 2) there is an xfwm4 branch of greybird in git
[21:45] <ochosi> if you wanna take a quick look
[21:46] <ochosi> since i only changed the hover/pressed states, you have to try it, screenshots won't cut it
[21:46] <knome> aww
[21:46] <knome> ;)
[21:47] <knome> remind me another day
[21:48] <ochosi> hah, lazy knome 
[21:55] <knome> very
[22:02] <ochosi> brainwash: frankly, xdg-screensaver is such a mess, especially in ubuntu, i'm not a huge fan of touching it again. lubuntu can fix this easily by shipping their own xflock4 script in some package
[23:33] <Unit193> bluesabre: xfdesktop4 .8 in Debian now, fixes a spelling error in xfdesktop4-dbg synopsis.
[23:36] <slickymaster> forestpiskie, just for the record let me state that I concur with knome's reasoning, as as far as I'm concerned, the main lifting was made by you, not us