[00:42] Riddell: I think I forwarded them a copy of my CC statement with plane ticket charges, which was the bulk of my ask from them [00:48] they never asked for paper copies or such [02:10] Riddell: OK (re Marble), but we should still figure out what caused it. [02:20] weeee, new k3b released [02:21] * valorie filed a bug to get it packaged [02:21] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b/+bug/1389040 [02:21] Ubuntu bug 1389040 in k3b (Ubuntu) "New release needs packaging" [Undecided,New] [02:52] valorie: I will package that tomorrow. [02:52] night folks [02:52] excellent! [02:53] thanks, sgclark [02:53] sweet dreams === bukai__ is now known as bukai [07:14] good morning [08:16] _Groo_: downgrade konsole to archive version, install konsole5 [08:16] * apachelogger needs to setup an advisory system somewhere [08:16] like a broken record I sound [08:21] Good morning. [08:21] good morning lordievader [08:23] Hey soee, how are you? [08:40] 03:05 < Earthwings> Riddell: just tested current master, works fine here. when MarbleRunnerManagerTest fails this could often be spurious due to a remote server not reachable/responding or a race condition (?) we have not tracked down yet [08:40] ScottK: ↑ [08:40] that explains it [08:41] valorie: wow, someone is maintaining k3b? [08:46] http://paste.kde.org/plfkl8n1k ← a complementary word if in a crass style about plasma [08:47] Sick_Rimmit_Test: decisions about what software to ship are done by consensus by kubuntu contributors, the kubuntu council can do a vote if there's a dispute but that's rarely the case [08:48] Riddell: I think that person understating it ! :-O [08:52] que? [08:54] kubotu: newverson phonon 4.8.2 [08:54] kubotu: newverson phonon-backend-vlc 0.8.1 [08:54] #typo [08:55] kubotu: newversion phonon 4.8.2 [08:55] kubotu: newversion phonon-backend-vlc 0.8.1 [08:55] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1389130 [08:56] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1389131 [08:56] I'm becoming spanish and thinking everything is phonetic [09:11] _Groo_: you might want to join #kubuntu-ci [09:11] https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/CI/Tracker going to put random suggestions here [09:13] Riddell: did you get the frameworks branches sorted? [09:15] Riddell: k3b was the first KDE Gardening project [09:16] tsdgeos released it; perhaps someone will take it up [09:16] I very much hope so [09:17] omg, finally watched the Dark Water ep of Doctor Who [09:18] yes, omg [09:25] season started really strong, sort of faltered, and then BOOM, hit me with the I'm stil not sure what yet [09:35] apachelogger: yeah I think so [09:36] KDE Gardening? I think my girlfriend would like that [09:37] Albert, Scarlett and Jeremy Whiting are the ringleaders [09:41] apachelogger: yes I believe I did but I forgot extra-cmake-modules [09:42] good thing sgclark was there to clean up my mess [09:42] also pkg-kde-tools seems to have lost its list-missing and lintian output [09:46] fabo, debfx, apachelogger, Quintasan, yofel, shadeslayer, ScottK: poll for times for a meeting to query sgclark on kubuntu-dev membership http://doodle.com/5sw4a7mdqrf2adyu [09:58] lordievader: im fine, you ? :) [09:59] soee: Doing good here :) [10:43] shadeslayer: any thoughts on why list-missing and lintian output is missing from vivid build logs? http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kf5-status/build_status_5.4.0_vivid.html [10:44] shadeslayer: it appears when I build locally on my vivid system and the pkg-kde-tools debian-qt-kde.mk does call it [10:48] Not really, can investigate [11:07] shadeslayer: aaah, got it [11:07] shadeslayer: it's because the arch-indep build architecture changed to amd64 [11:08] * apachelogger rolls eyes [11:08] * Riddell rolls them back [11:10] Oh hah [11:10] Riddell: how does one query that anyway? [11:10] I think kci needs adjustment for that as well [11:12] Why? [11:12] apachelogger: I've no idea [11:12] dpkg-architecture doesn't know about it :S [11:13] shadeslayer: because we need to run lintian on arch-indep or arch:all packages won't be checked [11:17] yay kde-telepathy 0.9.0 transitioned [11:17] to the archive [11:17] d_ed: ↑ [11:17] I had to delete kamoso for that [11:17] hopefully kamoso can get a new releae sometime but who knows [11:25] bukai: flashy indeed :) [11:29] sgclark: someone added lots of new manpages to this frameworks releases :) [11:30] huh? === tazz_ is now known as tazz [11:38] Riddell: So should I try implementing it? [11:39] bukai: yeah, go for it [11:39] if your html skills are elite enough [11:40] Riddell: It's not that good but I want to try it. [11:41] :) [11:59] hi Guys! [11:59] hola Antisound [11:59] Riddell: whats up? [11:59] all fine? [11:59] everything is awesome [11:59] nice one :) [11:59] Riddell: when do you going to release the first 15.04 with plasma 5? [12:00] are there already plans for this scenarío? [12:01] in 2015/04, the clue is in the name :) [12:01] morning [12:01] but I hope to upload plasma 5 to the archive this week [12:01] and the daily images will contain it thereafter [12:01] hola sgclark [12:02] Riddell: lol, no i meant the daily live builds [12:02] but i c... this week maybe [12:03] hi sgclark [12:05] Hiya folks [12:05] hi BluesKaj [12:06] Hi Antisound [12:06] Riddell: Did the doodle. [12:06] Riddell: i can't understand why but i needed to remove plasma5 again cause i had so serious graphic bugs,... unbelivable [12:07] whats bugs ? [12:07] s/whats/what [12:07] doen't know how to describe them [12:07] my complete screen flickered [12:07] but it wasn't just a bit "flickering" [12:07] and you blame Plasma for this ? :) [12:07] it was more like.. seeing something, then i didn't say anything again and again [12:08] soee: i think so [12:08] cause i've got no errors like this in plasma 5 ;-) [12:08] plasma 4 [12:08] sry [12:08] better say kde 4 [12:08] bug reports help wonders [12:08] i had only problems with showign some widnows when my TV was connected through HDMI [12:08] apachelogger: don't know how to file a bug in this case [12:09] cause i really can't explain where and how this error occurs [12:09] so the problem was teh mul;tiscreen configuration/support [12:09] it occured randomly [12:09] soee: i've got no multiscreen, neither hdmi [12:09] file against kwin [12:09] apachelogger: ok [12:09] Antisound: anyway its good to fiel a bug, others might have more info @ this than [12:09] ok [12:10] only thing i can do would be to show it in a video [12:10] than do it :D [12:10] so you guy's have no trouble using plasma 5? [12:11] despite that multiwin functioN? [12:11] not on my main laptop but all three of my test machines have varying graphics problems [12:11] turn off kwin effects if that's what you need to do [12:11] oh I have had some flickering, I think it is my nvidia. I cannot reproduce on my laptop [12:11] ah ok [12:12] works fine on my latptop, though hwre @ wrk when im using 2 screens and 2 virtuial desktops, i have to move one panel wach time i boot to the second screen because it always goes back to first one :) [12:12] sgclark: i've got an ati :D [12:12] Riddell: gonna try at home [12:12] mine was not so bad as to disrupt my work though and seems to have stopped with latest updates [12:12] ahh well blah lol [12:12] I love blaming nvidia [12:12] hehe [12:12] i c :D [12:13] Riddell: what hardware configuration do you have on your laptop? [12:13] what are the mentioned graphic problems? [12:13] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) [12:13] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=2&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 2 [12:14] the sony machine has flickering on changing between windows, the two netbooks have kwin crash at login [12:14] ahh do you know why the netbooks have a kwin crash? [12:14] yeah it was the changing between windows for me too [12:14] Riddell: apachelogger http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/Stare-Down-Contest-Poster.jpg [12:14] Antisound: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340254 [12:14] KDE bug 340254 in compositing "Default i915 (GL1.4 only) to xrender compositing for segfaults on shader compilation" [Crash,Confirmed] [12:15] lol nice shadeslayer [12:15] interesting :D [12:15] thx [12:16] gonna try plasma 5.1 once more with turned off kwin effects [12:16] and see if that helps [12:19] where are the kde bug hunters? [12:19] why isn't my filed bug processed yet? [12:20] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=339877 [12:20] KDE bug 339877 in general "kmenueditor5 doesn't save changes" [Major,Unconfirmed] [12:20] no one cares about my problems ;-( [12:20] hehe, just kidding [12:21] shadeslayer: that makes no sense [12:22] blinking for the angle would have no downside as its staring at doesn't matter whether it forgets because it stares at it [12:22] assuming angles blink at all [12:24] ttyl guys [12:24] oh oh oh [12:24] * apachelogger needs to twiddle CI to not build on no-op changes [12:29] apachelogger: I don't think angles blink [12:29] :P [12:29] they're angles [12:29] they're obtuse/acute/right [12:32] oh my [12:33] apachelogger: my kio tests are stuck [12:33] mh [12:33] shadeslayer: I don't know how to check commit message from inside hoook :P [12:33] it's in the env [12:33] it's in the env!! [12:34] or well [12:34] maybe not [12:34] in git :P [12:34] would actually help if jenkins could ignore commits with a certain text [12:34] but it can't apparently :'< [12:35] ah [12:37] where did we put vivid frameworks in git? [12:41] sgclark: debian:frameworks/FOO [12:41] branch kubuntu_vivid_archive [12:41] thanks [12:41] second part was what I needed [12:43] well this is proper crap [12:43] apachelogger: I know, the master clearly died, whoever thought she could just reappear without explanation? [12:44] ? [12:44] oh you haven't seen it? never mind, forget what I just wrote [12:44] Riddell: to be honest, that twist left me all sorts of conflicted [12:44] feels weird, doesn't it? [12:45] it's like "uhh, making a new nemesis is hard, let's use the old one" [12:45] shush I still need to watch lol [12:45] it's monday! === kbroulik is now known as kbroulik-lunch [12:47] shadeslayer: Riddell: CI_SILENT or did we want another keyword to prevent triggering? [12:47] CI_NOOP? [12:48] or NOCI works too [12:48] shorter [12:48] that question mark makes me think I should have an opininon :P [12:48] CI_SILENT would be in line with upstream [12:48] or, GIT_SILENT [12:49] upstream scripts actually allow GIT|SVN|CVS|SCM_SILENT [12:49] ok [12:50] for git commits? NOCI seems shorter but CI_SILENT I guess is fine if that's the pattern being followed [12:50] I got accepted to work on SoK KDE revamped CI system. [12:50] ooh? [12:50] what does that involve? [12:50] there'll be a bit of a limitation how this works anyway ... since we do triggering in post-update which is per-ref rather than per-rev which means I can only reliably check the last commit [12:50] it's a bit meh [12:50] yeah I had no idea non students could do SoK.. [12:51] sgclark could probably come with something nicer once she's worked on kde ci ^^ [12:51] SoK is for anyone I think [12:52] shadeslayer: objections to NOCI? [12:52] yeah valorie was nice enough to hook me up with bcooksley. [12:54] oh he's awesome [12:54] he's also in .nz, I wonder what that'll do to your bodyclock [12:54] sgclark: but what does it involve? [12:54] I have to build a CI from a bare ubuntu 14.10 [12:55] then build templates [12:56] https://community.kde.org/SoK/Ideas/2014#Project:_Revamp_the_Continuous_Integration_system [12:57] all the cool kids are doing CI systems so I figured it would be a great thing to learn [12:58] yeah you'll be up there is apachelogger in terms of eliteness [12:58] s/is/with/ [12:58] Riddell meant: "yeah you'll be up there with apachelogger in terms of eliteness" [12:59] kubotu: you know it doesn't actually help to do that? [12:59] http://paste.ubuntu.com/8818684/ [12:59] problem solved :P [13:03] Riddell: NOCI should be live [13:04] note that the commit must be last in the commits you push [13:04] apachelogger: what sort of situations should I use it in? [13:04] also it needs to be on its own line [13:04] Riddell: when you upload to archive and only s/UNRELEASED/vivid/ [13:04] (for now) [13:05] Riddell: generally it can be used for every commit that only touches debian/changelog but doesn't increase the version number [13:05] * apachelogger needs to send a mail about all the changes this week === kbroulik-lunch is now known as kbroulik [13:19] Riddell: btw did you need to make any changes to frameworks for 5.4? [13:20] apachelogger: yeah a few [13:21] for manpages and missing translations [13:21] manpage translations so they are [13:22] Riddell: If you put on notes what you are working on I can help, just don't want to dup work [13:22] mhh, can't do much about those yet [13:23] Riddell: reckon it just needed some wildcarding? [13:24] apachelogger: no, removed files are removed files, and previously the manpages had no translations [13:24] sgclark: nothing just now, waiting on kio to compile [13:24] k [13:24] Riddell: right regarding translations I was just wondering if that is going to crop again every release [13:25] Riddell: what was removed though? [13:25] apachelogger: no I've used wildcards the manpage translations should be all good [13:25] kk [13:25] apachelogger: although I had to put them in .install files instead of in the .manpages files which didn't work for some reason [13:25] apachelogger: kio had a .po file merged into the main kio.po [13:25] Riddell: dh_manpage or something will gz them [13:26] so you need to put them in debian/not-installed [13:26] apachelogger: dh_install seems to do that anyway [13:26] otherwise they'll be listed regardless [13:26] I have put them in not-installed now [13:26] ok, should be fine then === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter [13:57] uploading 4.14.2 to vivid [13:58] oh this bzr thing is slow when you have 60 branches to update, maybe we should use git? [13:58] Riddell: backport for 14.10 in plans ? [14:00] soee: looks like it's already done http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-applications-and-development-platform-4142 [14:00] that'll be sgclark, always ahead of the curve [14:00] Riddell: did you get to my akonadi backports? [14:01] trusty one is related to a bug [14:01] huh, i thought it was postponed [14:01] why would it be postpoced soee? [14:02] s/postpoced/postponed/ [14:02] sgclark meant: "why would it be postponed soee?" [14:02] i think before 14.10 release iv seen some info here that it will be done later ... hmm [14:03] sgclark: yeah I saw that, but I wasn't planning to do anything with them until the new kdepim is released, unless you think there's a good reason [14:03] Riddell: that bug has been open forever and they are begging... please [14:03] sgclark: which bug? [14:03] ok my bad, i was thinking about https://trello.com/c/9TOekRXN/4-package-kde-applications-14-12 [14:03] [15.04 :: To Do :: Package KDE Applications 14.12 ++ ] [14:04] Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/akonadi/+bug/1330180 [14:04] Ubuntu bug 1330180 in akonadi (Ubuntu Trusty) "Akonadi/MySQL 5.6 conflict" [Undecided,In progress] [14:06] sgclark: ooh I've not seen that [14:06] yeah I am trying to garden our bugs too lol [14:07] sgclark: :) [14:07] sgclark: so what needs done with the akonadi update? put into backports ppa? [14:07] yes please [14:07] sgclark: you have the power as much as me :) [14:08] yofel: have you eyed that over? ↑ [14:08] oh. oops. ok [14:08] yeah I tried to ping yofel a few times :( [14:16] sgclark: if you test and it works then I say copy it over to backports PPA [14:17] although you might want to get another kmail user such as ScottK to test first [14:17] been using it for a weekish [14:17] shoot [14:17] I already copied [14:18] groovy [14:18] I assumed when you said I have the rights, to do so, sorry :( [14:18] feed branches had 25 updates, showing the latest 6 [14:36] sgclark: turns out I uploaded kf5 to ninjas with the wrong version number [14:36] so confusing all these version numbers [14:36] deleteing it and starting again :( [14:43] Riddell: armhf failure fixed in Git, and ppc64el one looks like a random segfault, so doesn't need a fix. [14:48] mitya57: great, I'll upload it shortly [14:49] Riddell: lol yeah version numbers have been confusing me as well [14:50] we should just name everything after silly animal adjectives [14:50] lol [14:51] I really don't get why kf5 doesn't have date based versions [14:51] there it would actually entirely make sense.... [14:51] mm [14:52] Riddell, thanks! By the way, if you can say something about me at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DmitryShachnev/CoreDevApplication, that would be fantastic. [14:52] ooh mitya57 for core dev! [14:53] maybe I should go for that one day, I never was given permission to upload anything that didn't being with a 'k' [14:53] begin [14:54] Hm, I thought you are a core dev… [14:54] mitya57: "I should really do more SRUs." or join the ~ubuntu-sru team? [14:54] I am, but I was the first or one of the first and at the time I was asked to restrict myself to kde stuff only [14:54] That means: I should backport bug fixes of my packages to at least LTS. [14:58] mitya57: not necessarily, SRUs are only for high impact bugs [14:59] Sometimes I didn't even do that. [15:01] Riddell, thanks a lot! (and lol at areas of improvement) [15:08] d_ed: a very important user request you might know the answer to in #kubuntu 15:03 < sysop2> is there anyway to have animated backgrounds in the lightdm kde greeter like you used to be able to do with KDM? http://michal.kosmulski.org/computing/tips/kdm.html [15:09] make a theme, set it as the theme. [15:14] sgclark: ubuntu online summit seems to be around now, are there any kubuntu sessions? [15:15] Riddell: oh right, need to do that on top of my giant to do list lol, will create the blueprint today [15:15] to be fair I just got the info yesterdat [15:16] ScottK: we're not really any closer to answering the question of what version of Qt we want but it's been pointed out that the qt 5.4 release is only 1 month before plasma 5.2 so that's not much time to allow plasma 5.2 to depend on qt 5.4, so it may well be still wanting qt 5.3 [15:16] sgclark: there's not much on the timetable http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/2014-11-12/ [15:22] Riddell: err I don't see a Kubuntu project or distribution, what do I put it under? kubuntu-packaging-next? [15:22] sgclark: put what under? [15:22] the blueprint [15:23] I'm afraid I've no idea how UOS scheduling works [15:23] I am a newb at this, fumbling my way through [15:23] hah [15:23] what's it asking for? [15:23] Project [15:23] shrug, just select anything kubuntu-packaging-next seems fine [15:24] what session are you planning? [15:24] Our showing off plasma5 [15:24] since atm that is all we have [15:24] I will send an email to devel asking for more today [15:26] ugh I have to create a wiki too lol [15:26] oh my, what have I gotten myself into [15:27] Riddell: where should I make this wiki? KDE userbase you think? [15:27] sgclark: just leave it blank I think, use the blueprint desciption page for a summary but there's no need to write an essay [15:27] that's for back in the day when we did write essays for every todo item [15:27] ok cool [15:27] and have proofreaders [15:34] Riddell: well it would not let me assign us both, but I will obviously help [16:01] kubotu: newversion konversation 1.5.1 [16:01] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1389294 [16:04] so woo, kf5 let's try that again edition in ninjas http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kf5-status/build_status_5.4.0_vivid.html [16:35] Riddell: I have to go vote >.< but I will help with kf5 when I get back [16:36] thanks sgclark, I'll probably be out shortly so any help appreciated [16:37] sgclark: choose wisely, we don't want any repeat of that george bush nonsense :) [16:39] sgclark: wrt akonadi please backport that, I totally forgot about that [16:42] Riddell: lol I know! [16:42] yofel: done :) [16:42] thanks [16:42] np! [16:42] be back shortly [16:50] konversation all uploaded [16:51] now what we need is a willing helper to help out with k3b [16:51] sgclark: maybe you should pass k3b over to that nice rick chap you were helping the other day? === rdieter is now known as rdieter_work [16:58] hm. I'm still having issues with 14.10 and my CPU frequency scaling. (it seems like it never enters my Intel's Turbo Boot mode). are there any known issues? Google is to no avail :/ [16:58] This is a good old Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU, M 560 [17:00] sorry time to run off [17:36] OH NOES, qt again ftbfs on armhf [17:36] :( [17:40] Can't fix that myself now, but the easiest fix is one rm call in debian/rules. [17:41] Though that file shouldn't really be there. [17:42] Will investigate/fix tomorrow if nobody does it quicker. [17:51] I was wrong, the correct fix will be removing last line from src/plugins/graphicssystems/graphicssystems.pro (that can be done in my brand new kubuntu_43 patch). [17:53] Riddell: ^ (can't commit as I'm on the street talking from a phone, sorry) [18:31] Riddell: committed a fix, ignore everything above :) [19:06] <_Groo_> do we have a kf5 telepathy yet? i cant find the git repo with the kf5 fork [19:22] * yofel wonders what 3:00 PM UTC 7:00 AM is supposed to mean on doodle @_@ [19:22] is UTC the first or second time o.O? [19:38] haha not confusing at all [19:39] sorry, first is UTC, second is for me [19:39] oh a kitten is attending [19:39] * debfx needs to be there too [19:44] Riddell: lol you missed ECM again. will upload [20:45] hey hey, someone is working on kde-telepathy ? [20:48] soee_: yeah [20:48] what's up? [21:01] shadeslayer: when can we expect latest version in 14.10 ? === soee_ is now known as soee [21:02] also thers no chance to make it work with Skype right ? [23:21] soee: one more package to compile then you can test it out https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+packages [23:22] _Groo_: no the kf5 port isn't complete [23:33] <_Groo_> Riddell: can i mix the staging ppa with kubuntu-ci? does the packages in one go to the other? i would like to test telepathy, using the 4.x version still [23:46] <_Groo_> Riddell: doest upgrade cleanly, missing files [23:46] <_Groo_> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/vRYZwshU [23:46] <_Groo_> just as an example