[07:14] <soee> good morning
[07:38] <jcrb> I'm always surprised that kubuntu is not more popular.
[07:38] <valorie> in competition with what, jcrb?
[07:39] <inna> .
[07:40] <soee> oh dont worry we have plan to rule teh world :)
[07:43] <jcrb> ubuntu, arch, even opensuse (seems to a fair number of them at forum.kde.org)
[07:44] <valorie> we are part of ubuntu
[07:44] <valorie> if you mean unity, they have money, while we are community produced
[07:44] <valorie> Suse and Redhat support opensuse and fedora
[07:45] <valorie> while ubuntu doesn't really do that anymore
[07:46] <valorie> thank goodness for Blue Systems
[07:46] <jcrb> hasn't there been debate about changing the name from kubuntu?
[07:47] <valorie> if we do that, we won't be a flavor of ubuntu any more
[07:47] <jcrb> well yeah
[07:48] <jcrb> not saying it is a good idea, but I know there's some tension there
[07:48] <valorie> not really tension, but perhaps a bit of apprehension
[07:48] <valorie> particularly if there are problems with Mir
[07:49] <jcrb> hmm. anyway, bedtime
[07:49] <jcrb> nice talking to you
[07:49] <valorie> I hope for the best
[07:50] <valorie> niters
[08:21] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:51] <rubenmz> Hi, there! I'm having problems with kde / kubuntu.  The question is that I can't start kde with my user, with a new one there is no problem.
[11:52] <lordievader> rubenmz: Do you get errors?
[11:54] <rubenmz> Well, yesterday after upgrading a few packages (systemd-shim among them) my session had frozen and now when kde starts the session kills after shown de disk icon at the initial kde splash.
[11:55] <lordievader> rubenmz: Is your ~/.xsession-errors getting filled?
[11:58] <rubenmz> I have upgraded recently ( last week) to kubuntu 14.10 and kde 4.14.1.  I don't know how to debug kde to see what cause the error. The .xsession-error shows an error about gpg-agent post-stop
[12:00] <lordievader> rubenmz: Hmm, well you can rename your ~/.kde and see if that solves it (note this resets your KDE settings)
[12:02] <rubenmz> Yes, I'm with an other user and  I'm seeing that kde works, but I'd like to see what causes the problem. Is there any way to get more information about what is happening in  kde?
[12:03] <rubenmz> Is there any way to remove the session saved but not my kde apps configuration?
[12:04] <lordievader> rubenmz: You could run startx from a tty and see if that gives you a hint.
[12:05] <BluesKaj> Hiya folks
[12:06] <rubenmz> Yes, I'm trying startx with a .xinitrc file with an xterm, but without luck. The X closes without an clear error.
[12:08] <lordievader> rubenmz: Err I meant startkde.
[12:08] <lordievader> Or put 'startkde' in .xinitrc.
[12:10] <rubenmz> lordievader:  I'll try again, thank you.
[12:24] <rubenmz> lordievader:  I've juts do it and got a lot of output (posted at http://pastebin.com/NAFAeBtj).  The problem persist, after showing the disk icon the display goes blank.
[12:25] <lordievader> rubenmz: Ultimately you kill X?
[12:26] <rubenmz> I've done a control-C to the startx process when (aprox.) the screen goes dark. But the X process ramains at normal start up.
[12:28] <lordievader>  Ok, that explains the end of your paste.
[12:30] <lordievader> rubenmz: Read lines 518-521 X dies there.
[12:38] <Saphyel> lordievader: hello!!!! ^^
[12:38] <lordievader> Hey Saphyel, how are you?
[12:38] <Saphyel> any kde developer or tester?
[12:38] <Saphyel> fine! and you?
[12:39] <lordievader> Saphyel: Doing good. I suppose you want #kubuntu-devel ;)
[12:41] <Saphyel> lordievader: not exactly I find some bugs... but I can't really help to fix it and my english is not very good xD
[12:42] <lordievader> Saphyel: Then file bug reports ;)
[12:45] <Saphyel> I prefer some1 else do it...
[13:06] <rubenmz> lordievader: Hi, I've been watching that errors. Removed file about xfce and no difference. About jockey-kde, it is installed the packet ubuntu-drivers-common instead of jockey. Removed the instances of jockey at plasma-desktop-appletsrc. The problem persist.
[13:13] <madeti_android> I have installed plasma 5 on kubuntu 14.10 through next ppa
[13:13] <madeti_android> How can I remove it and install plasma 4
[13:14] <lordievader> madeti_android: Use ppapurge, but expect breakage.
[13:15] <madeti_android> Use it to remove the ppa, then? What all packages to remove?
[13:16] <lordievader> madeti_android: Ppapurge will remove/downgrade all the packages from the ppa for you.
[13:16] <madeti_android> OK, ty
[13:21] <madeti_android> lordievader, after purge, do I need to install package kubuntu-desktop? Or is it automatically installed
[13:22] <lordievader> madeti_android: That should be downgraded.
[13:22] <madeti_android> ok
[13:27] <rubenmz> lordievader:  Still, the same error. Do you thin that upgrading to kde 14.10.2 could be any help or could be worsen? Any other advice?
[13:33] <lordievader> rubenmz: I'd rename your ~/.kde
[13:42] <madeti> lordievader: ok, ppa-purged, now everything is working fine, but I see plasma 5 icons for everything, do I need to worry about it or is it fine?
[13:43] <lordievader> madeti: Err no idea, sorry.
[13:43] <madeti> ok
[14:12] <Leoneof> is there daily build for kubuntu?
[14:12] <Leoneof> i'm talking about repo
[14:12] <lordievader> Leoneof: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/326/builds
[14:22] <Leoneof> lordievader: good, i want to browse *.deb packages for ubuntu like this http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/
[14:23] <lordievader> Leoneof: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/
[14:33] <Leoneof> lordievader: thanks, most kde apps on ubuntu are using 4.8, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kate/
[14:33] <Leoneof> :\
[14:33] <lordievader> Leoneof: Check the backports ppa ;)
[14:33] <Leoneof> aha!
[14:33] <lordievader> !info plasma-desktop kubuntu-backports
[14:33] <lordievader> !info libkdecore5 kubuntu-backports
[14:34] <lordievader> 4.14.2 ;)
[14:35] <Leoneof> lordievader: oh no, here http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/kate/
[14:35] <Leoneof> ;)
[14:35] <lordievader> Leoneof: I know, but in the backports is 4.14
[14:36] <lordievader> !info kate kubuntu-backports
[14:36] <lordievader> ^ see
[14:36] <Leoneof> right
[14:36] <Leoneof> *_*
[14:37] <Leoneof> lordievader: is there *testing* or *unstable* repo for ubuntu?
[14:38] <Saphyel> yup
[14:38] <Saphyel> pre-releases or something like that
[14:39] <Leoneof> oh yes, pre-release, or something like rolling-release
[14:39] <lordievader> Leoneof: Vivid is the development release.
[14:40] <BluesKaj> check #ubuntu+1 or here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/pending/
[14:41] <Leoneof> thanks!
[15:03] <sysop2> hi!
[15:03] <sysop2> is there anyway to have animated backgrounds in the lightdm kde greeter like you used to be able to do with KDM?  http://michal.kosmulski.org/computing/tips/kdm.html
[15:04] <sysop2> I know about the crowd thing, not what I am talking about. I just want to play a video or animated gif as the login screen background.
[15:10] <Riddell> sysop2: 15:09 < d_ed> make a theme, set it as the theme.
[15:10] <Riddell> says the coder
[15:11] <sysop2> huh?
[15:24] <lovesh> hi
[15:25] <lovesh> i have upgraded to kde plasma 5 on kubuntu 14.10 but since then a process `baloo_file_extr`
[15:25] <lovesh> is consuming lot of cpu
[15:25] <lovesh> sometimes it goes to 100 %
[15:26] <lovesh> also processes like udisksd and dbus-daemon consume about 8-10 % each
[15:26] <lovesh> any way i can turn off baloo
[15:27] <lovesh> sometimes even `plasmashell` consumes more than 50% cpu
[15:27] <lovesh> is this normal for plasma 5
[15:28] <BluesKaj> lovesh, system settings>baloo
[15:29] <BluesKaj> aka desktop search
[15:30] <lovesh> i dont see baloo there but i have disabled desktop search
[15:30] <lovesh> what about plasma search?
[15:30] <lovesh> should i disable all the plugins?
[15:33] <Riddell> hi lovesh, do you have a solid state disk or a traditional hard disk?
[15:34] <lovesh> traditional hard disk
[15:34] <Riddell> lovesh: information here https://blogs.kde.org/2014/10/15/ubuntus-linux-scheduler-or-why-baloo-might-be-slowing-your-system-1404
[15:35] <Riddell> lovesh: oh but on 14.10, hmm, it should be fixed there
[15:36] <lovesh> i didnt use 14.10 plasma 4 much. i straigtaway upgraded to plasma 5
[15:36] <Riddell> lovesh: pastebin this?  ls /sys/block/sd*/queue/scheduler; cat /sys/block/sd*/queue/scheduler
[15:36] <lovesh> Riddell: ok
[15:38] <lovesh> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/JyL6wdTi
[15:38] <mokush> is there any ppa for kde-telepathy 0.9?
[15:38] <lovesh> Also my system momentrially freezes every 5-10 mins
[15:40] <Riddell> lovesh: wibble, you and me are both seeing a problem then which I understood should be fixed by the cfq scheduler but clearly isn't
[15:40] <Riddell> or is a separate problem
[15:40] <Riddell> lovesh: if you fancied filing an upstream bug report that would be great
[15:40] <lovesh> ok i can do that
[15:41] <Riddell> lovesh: and ping me
[15:41] <Riddell> with the number
[15:41] <lovesh> Riddell: sure
[15:44] <lovesh> Riddell: With what package should i file the bug?
[15:44] <lovesh> Riddell: I am here
[15:44] <lovesh> https://bugs.kde.org/enter_bug.cgi?format=guided
[15:45] <Riddell> lovesh: baloo
[15:46] <Riddell> mokush: thanks for the nudge, I'm still working on them, compiling away here https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+packages
[15:46] <lovesh> Riddell: in the general component
[15:46] <Riddell> yeah
[15:46] <mokush> Riddell: cool. so this will be in the kubuntu-ppa?
[15:47] <Riddell> mokush: yes it'll get moved to backports when done
[15:48] <mokush> Riddell: any eta?
[15:49] <lovesh> Riddell: This is the bug url https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340635
[15:52] <Riddell> mokush: mañana
[15:53] <mokush> Riddell: mamma mia. gracias for the intel, and looking forward to upgrading!
[16:13] <diego___> I am new in IRC chat.  I have a problem starting Kubuntu.  Am I in the right place?
[16:14] <lordievader> diego___: Jup, what seems to be the problem?
[16:14] <diego___> After doing an update, the startup won't go past the splash screen.
[16:15] <diego___> it's not frozen, as the mouse pointer moves, but my session won't start.
[16:16] <diego___> I have tried login in with a guest account and nothing.
[16:16] <lordievader> diego___: Nothing as in, can't login? Black screen?
[16:16] <diego___> I also tried using the boot menu but wasn't really sure how to follow.
[16:16] <diego___> Nothing as in blue kubuntu splash screen with mouse moving, and that's it.
[16:17] <lordievader> diego___: Do you get to a login screen?
[16:17] <diego___> Right now, I used a USB trial boot.
[16:18] <diego___> Yes, my user and profile picture appear.  It even recognizes my password.
[16:19] <lordievader> diego___: Ok, drop to a tty (crtl + alt + f1) and start kde by running 'startkde'.
[16:19] <diego___> before I do that... will I be able to come back to this session, is it ctrl + alt +f7?
[16:20] <diego___> unfortunately I don't have another computer with me to do the fix while I communicate.
[16:21] <diego___> or to communicate while I try to fix it....
[16:22] <lordievader> diego___: Yes, err what session do you currently have?
[16:22] <diego___> 14.04
[16:23] <diego___> $DISPLAY is not set or cannot connect to the X server
[16:23] <diego___> I got that message.
[16:24] <lordievader> diego___: Hmm, make it 'startx'. I'm confused, you can't login but yet you have quassel open...?
[16:26] <diego___> Right.. =S   I am using a USB boot. But I wouldn't know if I can access my own filesystem.
[16:27] <lordievader> diego___: Ah, then this is entirely point less.
[16:28] <diego___> sorry.  would you know if I can start a "safe" session from the boot system?
[16:28] <lordievader> diego___: What graphics card do you run?
[16:29] <diego___> I wouldn't know.  I haven't made any changes to the graphics driver.
[16:29] <diego___> though
[16:30] <diego___> I remember not being nvidia, but that's it.
[16:31] <diego___> From Lenovo website, it may be an Intel Video Driver.  Would that make sense?
[16:32] <diego___> By the way, thanks for walking me through this.
[16:32] <lordievader> diego___: Can you open a teminal and read me the output of 'lspci -k|grep -A2 VGA'?
[16:33] <diego___> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[16:33] <diego___>         Subsystem: Lenovo Device 3904
[16:33] <diego___>         Kernel driver in use: i915
[16:35] <lordievader> Hmm, those things usually just work...
[16:35] <lordievader> Boot into the recovery mode and run 'apt-get update&&apt-get dist-upgrade'.
[16:37] <diego___> Alright.  This will log me out from this session.  So it will take a while to get back to you.  For the moment, thanks again.
[16:41] <azpirate> Hi there, I have an older laptop (HP/Compaq NC4010) which has a Intel Pentium M processor running at 1.6 GB (400MHz FSB) and from what I have been reading the Kubunto Hardy 8.04 will run fine on this computer without the PAE issues as with Mint and so on so my questions are. 1. Is this true, will the Hardy run on my machine? 2. If so, where can I download a copy? The download page only lets me see the newest versions.
[16:42] <azpirate> hello
[16:42] <azpirate> hello
[16:46] <lovesh> anybody here tried the kde plasma 5?
[16:47] <lovesh> if yes how is it going for them? Is it too resource hungry?
[16:48] <BluesKaj> lovesh, some love it, but won't admit that it's still quite buggy
[16:48] <lovesh> on my kubuntu 14.10 kde 5 plasmashell, google chrome, dolphin take too much resources
[16:49] <lovesh> even java is taking too much ram
[16:49] <lovesh> I have a 2nd gen core i5 with 8 gb ram but it appears too slow
[16:49] <lovesh> should i switch back to kde 4?
[16:50] <lovesh> and is dolphin even present in plasma 5?
[16:53] <diego_> @lordievader, I tried what you told me but there seems to be another issue.  I couldn't get into recovery mode.
[16:54] <diego_> Earlier I could, but this time I got a message like
[16:54] <diego_> EFI Network 0 for IPv4 failed.... something like that.
[16:56] <lordievader> diego_: Whoo, UEFI. I must say I have no experience with UEFI. You did find the recovery mode option?
[16:59] <diego_> Yes, but it was the same as the normal startup.
[17:00] <diego_> Do you think this is getting out of control?
[17:01] <lordievader> diego_: You should get a recovery menu.
[17:02] <diego_> I did earlier.  But I couldn't find it this time.  I don't think I changed anything big.
[17:05] <BluesKaj> lordievader, yes dolphin should be installed by default on plasma5
[17:05] <BluesKaj> oops lovesh
[17:05] <BluesKaj> great the gguy leaves just when I;m answering
[17:07] <rom1504> BluesKaj: that's irc for you
[17:09] <BluesKaj> well i usually hang around until i get a reponse od some kind
[17:09] <BluesKaj> of
[17:09] <lordievader> diego_: Booting in the recovery mode should give you the menu ;)
[17:11] <diego_> @lordievader  I mean, I got the recovery mode, but starting that option didn't make a difference.   =$
[17:11] <rom1504> BluesKaj: yeah me too, but so many people come, ask a question, wait 3min, and leave
[17:11] <lordievader> diego_: It should be significantly different from the normal boot.
[17:12] <diego_> @lordievader I'm gonna try again.  Let's see what I find.
[17:52] <sysop2> does lightdm-kde-greeter have apng support?
[17:59] <RobinHood2015> Using KDE 5, I have the desktop set to "Folder" mode so I can see icons for my home folder and the Trash, but the Trash icon is incorrect. It shows a folder with a small trash icon on it, and I can't change it to a trash can icon.
[18:01] <Guest78674> can anybody help me with my inet connection problems?
[18:02] <RobinHood2015> Why do you ask? Since if you had internet connection problems, you would not be here!
[18:03] <RobinHood2015> Unless you're connecting from a different computer...
[18:04] <Guest78674> windows  + linux user :D
[18:04] <RobinHood2015> How sad... You expect everything to work the same way on two different OSes and they don't.
[18:05] <Guest78674> ok its out
[18:05] <Guest78674> iam absolutly new in the linux world
[18:08] <Guest78674> how can i install jdk for java on kubuntu?
[18:09] <RobinHood2015> For most users, 'sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jdk' should do the trick.
[18:11] <Guest78674> how do u knw the name 'openjdk-7-jdk'?
[18:12] <RobinHood2015> I've used 'openjdk-7-jre' before, because I haven't had the need to develop Java applications, only to run them.
[18:14] <Guest78674> ok personal knowlegde
[18:14] <Guest78674> maybe ill get this in future too ^^
[18:16] <RobinHood2015> Well, are you looking to develop Java apps or just run them? Because if you just need to run them, you need 'openjdk-7-jre.' For viewing Java applets in a Web browser, you also need 'icedtea-7-plugin.' But I would not recommend 'openjdk-8-jre' or 'openjdk-8-jdk' with 'icedtea-7-plugin' because openjdk8 doesn't seem to work seamlessly with icedtea7, and there's no icedtea8 available yet.
[18:19] <RobinHood2015> But if you just need to run or develop Java apps WITHOUT running Java in your BROWSER, then 'openjdk-8-jre' or 'openjdk-8-jdk' should work just fine, so long as you don't install 'icedtea-7-plugin'.
[19:29] <daft_> Hi all. How can install kde-plasma-Desktop on a netbook? Im a bit lost with that gui
[19:32] <lordievader> daft_: What do you currently have installed?
[19:37] <daft_> lordievader,  latest kubuntu.
[19:38] <daft_> just downloaded it.  use it on my desktop for some years (years and years debian before that)
[19:38] <daft_> I tried to remove the plasma-netbook packages
[19:39] <daft_> now i only have a mouse cursor and a black background..
[19:40] <daft_> lets remove .kde and restart X
[19:40] <lordievader> daft_: I.e. you removed too much? sudo apt-get --reinstall install kubuntu-desktop
[19:42] <daft_> oke ill  try that
[19:52] <daft_> oke downloading... connecting to wifi in the commandline :/
[19:58] <daft_> oke lordievader, back up with kde-netbook
[20:00] <lordievader> daft_: Good to hear :)
[20:01] <daft_> now how to get rid of the netbook mode
[20:03] <daft_> a config workspace behaviour
[20:03] <daft_> cool
[20:03] <daft_> thanks for listening
[21:31] <arthurfiggis> hello :) How does one go about actually reading the
[21:31] <arthurfiggis> (previous error reports in the "diagnostics" for 14.10? sorry about that, bad typing ;) )
[21:32] <arthurfiggis> you get led along to the ubuntu one signin page but after creating an account you can't actually get any farther...
[21:38] <kbroulik> meh, my xsession errors has grown to 1,2GiB now
[21:39] <kbroulik> because I'm getting spammed constantly by _xgeWireToEvent: Unknown extension 148, this should never happen. messages
[23:39] <Jonathan_R> what ppa can i use for the most bleeding edge kernel?
[23:40] <genii> !mainline
[23:40] <genii> Not installed like normal PPA however.