| Fishercat | Hi. I'm having some trouble after updating, and wonder if anyone might be able to help. | 06:12 |
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| ianorlin | from which version to which fishercat and have you read the relase notes | 06:13 |
| Fishercat | 12.04 to 14.04; I haven't. Can you point me at them? The basic documentation for 14.04 is, well, really basic. | 06:14 |
| Fishercat | You know, never mind.. I can check for the release notes myself. | 06:15 |
| Fishercat | Okay.. there doesn't seem to be anything in the release notes covering the issue I'm having. | 06:17 |
| Ahmuck | what software is being used for the creation of the guest account | 08:02 |
| leszek | Ahmuck: adduser I guess. So nothing special | 08:03 |
| leszek | its only creating the guest users home on a temporary folder | 08:04 |
| leszek | "temporary folder" a folder mounted with tmpfs | 08:04 |
| Ahmuck | i don't think it's adduser | 08:05 |
| Ahmuck | it's tied into lightdm | 08:05 |
| leszek | hmm.... | 08:05 |
| Ahmuck | and creates the account on the fly | 08:05 |
| leszek | it must be adduser | 08:05 |
| leszek | or useradd | 08:05 |
| leszek | its just as script though that creates this guest user | 08:05 |
| Ahmuck | so it adds a user via adduser on the fly and then deletes everything? | 08:06 |
| leszek | yeah it uses apparmor also to only have read access to /home and other files and folders | 08:07 |
| Ahmuck | is that new? | 08:10 |
| Ahmuck | the apparmor thing? | 08:10 |
| leszek | Nope its old since Ubuntu 11.10 or so | 08:10 |
| Ahmuck | http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2013/Jan/240 | 08:10 |
| Ahmuck | seclists indicate that guest is able to traverse directories | 08:11 |
| leszek | yeah read only. But guest shouldn't be able to write anything | 08:12 |
| Ahmuck | i did ltsp for a small test lab a couple of years back. nobody really wanted to use it because of this reason, the ability to "read" anothers directory. iirc | 08:14 |
| Ahmuck | anyhow. out. | 08:16 |
| leszek | Yeah I am also not sure why the guest account option exists at all. | 08:16 |
| Ahmuck | backdoored? | 08:16 |
| Ahmuck | gtg. need sleep | 08:16 |
| leszek | ah ok, different time zone :P Its morning here :P | 08:17 |
| leszek | cu | 08:17 |
| Ahmuck | actually it exists so that someone can use your computer without logging into your account | 08:17 |
| Ahmuck | the problem is ... i don't want anybody using my computer anyway | 08:17 |
| leszek | exactly | 08:17 |
| Ahmuck | ya, it's 2:17 am here. sleeping. | 08:18 |
| ethos | Hi | 08:45 |
| ethos | Can someone please help me figure out why lubuntu is only seeing one gig of ram when I have two gigs? | 08:45 |
| ethos | Also, in a .conf file if there is a # in front of something does that mean it's ignored? | 08:49 |
| Steven| | CAn I update to Lubuntu 14.10 via command line? | 12:23 |
| hateball | Steven|: If you're on 14.04 | 12:24 |
| Steven| | yup | 12:24 |
| hateball | Steven|: "sudo do-release-upgrade" | 12:24 |
| Steven| | ah nice thank you hateball! | 12:25 |
| Steven| | Well its telling me there is no new release but I'm still on 14.04.1 | 12:28 |
| Steven| | ah nvm. had to pass the -d option to get it to find it | 12:29 |
| Steven| | erm nvm. not sure if I should do this if I'm using the LTS lol | 12:31 |
| hateball | well it depends if you want to stay on LTS or not :) | 12:33 |
| badbeatv | hi, does anybody know why my screen goes off when i open a youtube video? | 14:31 |
| badbeatv | i can still hear the audio but my screen goes off. any actions i do still happen but screen is off | 14:32 |
| Fishercat | Hi. I'm having some problems post-update from 12.04 to 14.04 and am looking for suggestions. The only similar issue I've seen in the release notes is Bug #1308530, but what's happening with my box is a bit different. | 14:47 |
| ubottu | bug 1308530 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Cannot login after an upgrade from Saucy to Trusty with Ubiquity and encrypted home directory" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1308530 | 14:47 |
| Fishercat | Hi. I'm having some problems post-update from 12.04 to 14.04 and am looking for suggestions. The only similar issue I've seen in the release notes is Bug #1308530, but what's happening with my box is a bit different. Can anybody help? | 15:59 |
| ubottu | bug 1308530 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Cannot login after an upgrade from Saucy to Trusty with Ubiquity and encrypted home directory" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1308530 | 15:59 |
| holstein | Fishercat: what problems? | 16:00 |
| holstein | Fishercat: you cant login as *any* user? | 16:00 |
| holstein | or just the user/s with encryption? | 16:01 |
| Fishercat | I can log in as a guest user, but not as my main user. | 16:01 |
| Fishercat | So, no admin privileges, and anything I do is wiped. | 16:01 |
| holstein | well, thats a "feature" of the guest account | 16:02 |
| Fishercat | Yup, I know. | 16:02 |
| Fishercat | But it does mean that I can't create a new user as a workaround. | 16:02 |
| holstein | if you add another account, in the recover console, you would have a "normal" user? then? | 16:02 |
| holstein | recovery* | 16:02 |
| Fishercat | Ooh! Recovery console? Where/how? | 16:03 |
| holstein | Fishercat: at boot.. in grub.. under the current kernel.. | 16:03 |
| Fishercat | Holstein: I'm a GUI user, so, can you talk me through it? | 16:03 |
| holstein | Fishercat: i would look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword and follow those steps, up to the passwd command, where, you can add a user | 16:04 |
| Fishercat | Holstein: *happydance* Thank you! :-) | 16:04 |
| holstein | *adduser command | 16:04 |
| holstein | if i had my data backed up, i would just use it to put back into the new user account.. if not, i would use http://www.howtogeek.com/116297/how-to-recover-an-encrypted-home-directory-on-ubuntu/ to recover the data | 16:05 |
| Fishercat | Holstein: Bless your furry little heart. THANK YOU. | 16:06 |
| holstein | this is all a big "workaround" though. but, you likely wont get that issue addressed in the lubuntu community.. you would have to go to #ubuntu and the mailing lists, and maybe not then | 16:08 |
| holstein | really depends on what the issue is.. | 16:08 |
| holstein | i personally dont do upgrades.. i find fresh installs to be much quicker..and, you have to have "good" backups, even when using encryption | 16:09 |
| Fishercat | Yeah, well, I failed my saving throw. | 16:09 |
| holstein | it may be acceptable to have unencrypted backups laying around the house *not* hooked up to a machine | 16:09 |
| aciremAukkinoS | (Ooh, that makes me a bad person.... If I'm reinstalling on an ext4 fs, I just trash all but /home, then I trash ~/.* and reinstall.) | 16:09 |
| aciremAukkinoS | (without formatting) | 16:10 |
| holstein | or a few "copies".. though, a copy is not a backup | 16:10 |
| Fishercat | True. | 16:10 |
| holstein | i dont even bother with the /home, personally.. i keep what configs i need/want backedup or sync'd | 16:10 |
| holstein | Fishercat: either way, i know that has to be frustrating.. and good luck.. i think you will be able to make a new user there, and migrate the data over.. | 16:11 |
| aciremAukkinoS | (Actually I just did that, switching a Linux Mint system to an ArchLinux system. Virtually no problems.) | 16:12 |
| holstein | yup.. its just that little word "virtually" | 16:12 |
| Fishercat | Holstein, thank you again.. | 16:13 |
| holstein | i have aboslutely no problems.. at least no surprise problems. those can be quite different versions of software.. expecting, for example, a gnome config from ubuntu 12.04 from 2012 to work with an arch system with the bleeding edge gnome.. that can be problematic | 16:13 |
| holstein | nothing that cant be handled.. | 16:13 |
| aciremAukkinoS | The world of Weird Configuration Things® | 16:14 |
| holstein | WOW-CT :) ... .com | 16:14 |
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| Fishercat | Hi. In trying the solutions [HOLSTEIN] previously suggested for my post-update 12.04 - 14.04 blues, I've run into a snag. Root access doesn't recognize "mount" as a command. Any suggestions? | 17:03 |
| Fishercat | Hi. I'm having trouble logging in after upgrading from 12.04 to 14.04. The only similar issue in the release notes is Bug #1308530, but there are differences: a) I upgraded from Pangolin; b) I'm not positive that my home directory was encrypted; and c) I can log in as a guest user. I've been pointed at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword, but none of the three variants shown there have worked. (Grub doesn't recognize " | 17:17 |
| ubottu | bug 1308530 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Cannot login after an upgrade from Saucy to Trusty with Ubiquity and encrypted home directory" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1308530 | 17:17 |
| Fishercat | I'm a GUI user. Can anyone help? | 17:17 |
| Fishercat | Hi. I've got post-upgrade 12.04 --> 14.04 problems. The GUI is only accessible as a guest user. When I log in to my home directory, it sticks at the splash screen. I'm a GUI user familiar, but not comfortable, with terminal use. Can anyone offer any suggestions? | 19:15 |
| holstein | Fishercat: the link i gave addresses the root access | 19:44 |
| holstein | Fishercat: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword addresses mounting the filesystem to create a new user.. | 19:45 |
| holstein | Fishercat: not to recover your encrypted /home.. | 19:45 |
| holstein | Fishercat: if you have your data backed up, which, you need to have that regardless, since all drives *will* fail.. you may choose to fresh install, and put your data back.. i would expect that to take about 20 minutes, and "fix" everything for you | 19:46 |
| Fishercat | Holstein: Hi.. yes, I tried all three options given at that link. For the first option, Grub didn't recognize "mount" as a command. | 19:47 |
| holstein | Fishercat: grub is not running that command to recognize it, though | 19:47 |
| holstein | Fishercat: you need to boot the recovery console.. from there you are in a root shell | 19:48 |
| Fishercat | Holstein -- the first directions in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword tell you to remount as read write.. and I can't. | 19:49 |
| Fishercat | I did boot from the recovery console (or at least, that was the option I tried).. following the rest of the directions didn't work, though. | 19:49 |
| holstein | Fishercat: you cant "try".. you must get to the root shell.. the rest of the directions depend on that | 19:50 |
| Fishercat | I believe I did get to the root shell. | 19:50 |
| holstein | Fishercat: please reboot the machine, tapping shift to show the grub menu.. then, manually arrow to the recover console.. from there, select "root shell" and share errors | 19:50 |
| Fishercat | Okay.. will do. Tap shift repeatedly, rather than holding it down? | 19:51 |
| holstein | Fishercat: after the bios, just do literally *whatever* it takes to show the grub menu from where you select the recovery console | 19:51 |
| holstein | Fishercat: you cant go past that.. if you do, you get back in the current loop you are in.. | 19:51 |
| holstein | Fishercat: you *can*, try tty from the current loop you are in.. but, i would keep moving | 19:52 |
| holstein | Fishercat: i could reinstall and put that system back together in about 20 minutes, so, you may not want to spend too long here, if you can kep moving | 19:52 |
| holstein | !tty | 19:52 |
| ubottu | To get to the TTY terminals 1-6, use the keystroke ctrl + alt + F1-F6 respectively (Alt+F7 will get you back to your graphical login). To change the resolution for your TTY, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ChangeTTYResolution | 19:52 |
| holstein | you can try login, and where you are hanging booting into the UI, you can try tty | 19:52 |
| Fishercat | Hang on.. | 19:53 |
| holstein | *if* you can login tty, then, you can remove the .config files that are "breaking" the ui | 19:53 |
| holstein | OR, you can boot the live CD from the other link, and access the encrypted /home, from a live CD, and remove the users config files there | 19:53 |
| Fishercat | Which am I trying first, please? Grub menu, or TTY? | 19:53 |
| holstein | Fishercat: doesnt matter to me | 19:53 |
| Fishercat | Okay. | 19:53 |
| holstein | Fishercat: im just firing out what i would do.. and i wouldnt spend hours on each thing | 19:53 |
| Fishercat | Grub first. Back soon. | 19:54 |
| holstein | Fishercat: none of them are "fixes" | 19:54 |
| holstein | Fishercat: this is just a way for you to learn what is happening, and apply a work around, or get your data. or whatever | 19:54 |
| Fishercat | Gotcha. | 19:54 |
| Aladiah | I cant install Nokuntu on Lubuntu 14.04 .Why ? | 20:23 |
| wxl | !info nokuntu | 20:24 |
| ubottu | Package nokuntu does not exist in utopic | 20:24 |
| wxl | ? | 20:24 |
| genii | Aladiah: What is it and how did you attempt to install it? | 20:26 |
| Aladiah | it is pc suite. | 20:27 |
| Aladiah | people say its because Gambas 2 need | 20:27 |
| Aladiah | i try this http://askubuntu.com/questions/406414/unable-to-install-nokia-pc-suite-nokuntu-on-13-10-14-04 but in first step packages not found http://paste.ubuntu.com/8824273/ | 20:28 |
| Aladiah | ITs an linux alternative to Nokia pc suite for cell phones. | 20:28 |
| Aladiah | I cant find an alternative that work as a pc suite for me | 20:30 |
| teward | genii: it's old deprecated software | 20:30 |
| teward | genii: its deps were dropped after 13.10 it seems | 20:30 |
| teward | it's not maintained either | 20:30 |
| teward | also, crossposting is still an issue since htey're asking here and in #ubuntu | 20:31 |
| genii | So maybe install 13.10 into a chroot and xnest to it | 20:34 |
| SonikkuAmerica | Meh, why not an LXC container? Those things are getting fashionable | 20:35 |
| wxl | dude if you add "cloud" to anything it' | 20:35 |
| wxl | s fashionable | 20:35 |
| wxl | i could singlehandedly take care of ppc just by saying the "c" stands for cloud | 20:35 |
| wxl | everyone would jump on board | 20:35 |
| Aladiah | How to run a windows virtual box in Lubuntu 14.04 ? | 20:36 |
| wxl | oops wrong channel! | 20:36 |
| wxl | anyways Aladiah install virtualbox and then install windows in a new virtual machine. | 20:36 |
| SonikkuAmerica | Yeah, that ^. | 20:36 |
| Fishercat_ | Hi. I'm having problems post-update from 12.04 to 14.04. The only GUI access is as a guest user; when I log in to my home directory, it sticks on the splash page. Can anyone help? | 20:37 |
| SonikkuAmerica | wxl: Unfortunately LXC isn't the cloud | 20:37 |
| Aladiah | wxl : i will need Windows OEM disk for that ? What is this Windows OEM disk ? | 20:37 |
| wxl | SonikkuAmerica: nope, it's not. but it's tangentially related :) | 20:37 |
| wxl | Aladiah: the installation cd. | 20:37 |
| wxl | Fishercat_: can you get to a virtual terminal? | 20:38 |
| Aladiah | wxl: i need a CD or a USb pen to have virtual box ? | 20:38 |
| wxl | Aladiah: you need some kind of installation media. | 20:38 |
| wxl | Aladiah: i doubt you're going to find a windows installtion iso just laying around on the internet | 20:39 |
| wxl | although there are places… | 20:39 |
| Aladiah | wxl; do you think Nokia pc suite will run with usb and everythin on virtual machine ? | 20:39 |
| wxl | Aladiah: possible. | 20:39 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: I think so, but I'm a GUI user, I'm not confident that's where I am. | 20:41 |
| wxl | !vt | Fishercat_ | 20:41 |
| wxl | argh | 20:41 |
| wxl | !tty | Fishercat_ | 20:41 |
| ubottu | Fishercat_: To get to the TTY terminals 1-6, use the keystroke ctrl + alt + F1-F6 respectively (Alt+F7 will get you back to your graphical login). To change the resolution for your TTY, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ChangeTTYResolution | 20:41 |
| wxl | that's what i refer to | 20:41 |
| wxl | if you can, log in and see if /var/log/syslog or /var/log/dmesg give you any info | 20:42 |
| Fishercat_ | Okay, hang on, thanks.. I'll try it on the Linux box. | 20:42 |
| Borbit | So I'm trying to install lubuntu 14.10 on a old pentium m thinkpad. It tells me the kernel is not compatible as the pentium M does not support "PAE". I found a fix for this here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/AdvancedMethods#Pentium_M_and_Celeron_M . However it does not seem to work. The ubuntu wiki tells me to boot, highlight the install option and then press F6. When I do this nothing happens! How to save this nice thinkpad??? | 20:43 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: I can get to a terminal.. I can get to a bunch of terminals. Does it matter which one? | 20:46 |
| wxl | Fishercat_: nope. you can use "more /var/log/syslog" or "less /var/log/syslog" to read the file. just hit space to go to the next page. | 20:46 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: Okay.. I'm gonig to read the syslog. | 20:47 |
| Borbit | I have solved my problem already. Simply tap tab. Thanks! | 20:48 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: I can't read either /syslog or /dmesg. Permission is denied. | 20:48 |
| Fishercat_ | Should I try rebooting without going into guest mode to do so? | 20:49 |
| wxl | Fishercat_: did you log in as your normal user? | 20:49 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: Nope. Logged into GUI as guest user. Will reboot, and switch to terminal to log in as admin. | 20:49 |
| wxl | Fishercat_: yeah log into the tty as your actual user. no need to reboot. | 20:50 |
| Borbit | Does disk encryption effect the speed of the computer? | 20:50 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: I tried logging into the tty as my normal user already. (Am already rebooting other machine.) | 20:51 |
| Unit193 | Borbit: Slightly. | 20:51 |
| wxl | Fishercat_: there is no reason you should be permission denied with your regular user. | 20:51 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: I've just rebooted, and switched to tty when I got to the login point on the GUI. It's again denying me permission as regular user. | 20:52 |
| wxl | Fishercat_: and what are you trying to do again? | 20:52 |
| Borbit | Its an actual IBM thinkpad. So might just not select it. The computer is for a non technical friend of mine. Would it be necessary to add a virus protection program? I never use one. But I kind of know the unsafe things on the internet. She does not at all I think. | 20:53 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: The problem that brought me here: GUI is only accessable as guest user. Logging in to my home directory causes it to stick on the splash screen. | 20:53 |
| wxl | Fishercat_: don't log in to the gui. just go to tty at the login screen. | 20:54 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: I just did that. It denied me permission to read syslog again. | 20:54 |
| Fishercat_ | Wait.. hang on. | 20:54 |
| wxl | Fishercat_: what command are you doing to read the syslog? | 20:54 |
| Fishercat_ | The one you just gave me: /var/log/syslog | 20:54 |
| wxl | Fishercat_: wrong. i said using "more" or "less" before the filename | 20:55 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: Okay. So it should be: more/var/log/syslog? | 20:55 |
| wxl | Fishercat_: no. "more /var/log/syslog" | 20:55 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: Will do | 20:56 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: Oookay. That yielded STUFF. | 20:56 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: What info there is pertinent? There's a screenful. | 20:57 |
| wxl | Fishercat_: look for errors. you might want to just put it up for us to look at. | 20:58 |
| wxl | !paste | Fishercat_ | 20:58 |
| ubottu | Fishercat_: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. | 20:58 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: I'm going to have to type it.. this is the laptop. | 21:00 |
| wxl | Fishercat_: um. just use pastebinit. | 21:00 |
| wxl | !pastebinit | Fishercat_ | 21:00 |
| ubottu | Fishercat_: pastebinit is the command-line equivalent of !pastebin - Command output, or other text can be redirected to pastebinit, which then reports an URL containing the output - To use pastebinit, install the « pastebinit » package from a package manager - Simple usage: command | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com | 21:00 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: The error messages are on the Linux box. I'm accessing IRC on the laptop. | 21:01 |
| wxl | Fishercat_: so you can type out the paste url. | 21:02 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: Okay.. going to try pastebinit.. right back. | 21:03 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: How do I get out of the syslog and back to the command prompt? (I'm sorry.. ) | 21:05 |
| wxl | Fishercat_: q | 21:05 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: THANKS | 21:05 |
| wxl | Fishercat_: then do "cat /var/log/syslog | pastebinit" | 21:05 |
| wxl | Fishercat_: assuming you already have pastebinit installed | 21:05 |
| wxl | Fishercat_: if you don't "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y install pastebinit" | 21:05 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: Don't know if I have it installed or not. Any way to tell, or should I just try it? | 21:05 |
| wxl | Fishercat_: you probably don't then | 21:06 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: Okay. | 21:06 |
| COuette-Couette | newbi on lubuntu | 21:09 |
| COuette-Couette | actually on Kubuntu | 21:09 |
| COuette-Couette | is it hard | 21:10 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: pastebinit is installed, have syslog back up. Now what? "q, ENTER, then pastebinit?" | 21:10 |
| wxl | Fishercat_: cat /var/log/syslog | pastebinit | 21:10 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8824828 | 21:12 |
| wxl | nothing obvious Fishercat_ ; do the same with /var/log/dmesg and /var/log/Xorg.0.log | 21:14 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: Will do. | 21:14 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: "No such file or directory." For both /dmesg and Xorg.0.log. | 21:16 |
| Borbit | I have a laptop with a really weird keyboard layout. It's very similar to this one I found on the internet. ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/globalization/keyboards/KBD143.pdf. Some small things are different, but most of the things are in the same weird place. I have never seen anything like this. The keyboard recognition in the Lubuntu installer can not figure it out. How do I find out what version my keyboard is? Very strange keyboard. P | 21:19 |
| Borbit | lease assist. Thanks in advance! | 21:19 |
| Squantiff | Hello | 21:19 |
| Squantiff | CAn someone please help me? | 21:20 |
| Squantiff | I ccan't seem to start xserver | 21:20 |
| SonikkuAmerica | Borbit: Your link is broken. | 21:20 |
| SonikkuAmerica | Squantiff: [ startx ] | 21:20 |
| Squantiff | It says no screens found | 21:20 |
| SonikkuAmerica | Squantiff: Did you install Xorg? | 21:20 |
| Squantiff | But lspci | grep VGA lists a compatible controller | 21:20 |
| Squantiff | Yesd | 21:20 |
| SonikkuAmerica | (Or uninstall it) | 21:20 |
| Squantiff | I did not uninstall it | 21:20 |
| Squantiff | What I did was I had it output through HDMI only | 21:20 |
| Squantiff | Then it froze, I rebooted, and now it won't display through either | 21:21 |
| Squantiff | xinit giving up xinit unable to connect to X server: Connection refused xinit: server error | 21:22 |
| Squantiff | Those ar ethe last three lines | 21:22 |
| SonikkuAmerica | Squantiff: Not to sound rude, but can you take your question to #ubuntu ? They might be able to help you better. | 21:22 |
| Borbit | That is strange. The link works here. I got there from here http://www-01.ibm.com/software/globalization/topics/keyboards/registry_index.html and then it's the dutch layout. | 21:22 |
| Squantiff | Fatal server error (EE) no screens found is above that | 21:22 |
| Squantiff | SonikkuAmerica not rude at all. Helpful in fact. Thank you very much for your guidance kind sir., | 21:22 |
| Squantiff | Can I uninstall xserver and fully reinstall? | 21:24 |
| Squantiff | Do you think it would help? | 21:24 |
| Borbit | SonikkuAmerica: That is strange. The link works here. I got there from here http://www-01.ibm.com/software/globalization/topics/keyboards/registry_index.html and then it's the dutch layout. | 21:24 |
| SonikkuAmerica | So, the 143-key keyboard Borbit ? | 21:24 |
| Borbit | SonikkuAmerica: Yes. | 21:25 |
| SonikkuAmerica | Borbit: Can you try manually selecting the keyboard layout? | 21:26 |
| wxl | Fishercat_: try "ls -al /var/log | pastebinit" | 21:27 |
| Borbit | SonikkuAmerica: I have no idea what to select. Dutch don't work. The normal keyboards over here are very similar if not the same as a english international keyboard. | 21:27 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8825111 | 21:35 |
| wxl | Fishercat_: i see both dmesg and Xorg.0.log there | 21:36 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: Yup, so do I. | 21:36 |
| wxl | Fishercat_: so try "cat /var/log/dmesg | pastebinit" | 21:37 |
| Borbit | SonnikuAmerica: I really don't have a clue here. I can't even think of a google search that would give any useful results. | 21:37 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: Okay. | 21:37 |
| Borbit | Anyone know of there is some irc room with people that are crazy about keyboard layouts? | 21:38 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: http://paste/ubuntu.com/8825146 | 21:38 |
| testdr | Fishercat_: invalid url | 21:40 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8825166 (Xorg.0.log) | 21:40 |
| wxl | testdr: s/paste\//paste\./ | 21:40 |
| wxl | nothing too terrible there | 21:41 |
| testdr | wxl: yep - did not see it at once - | 21:41 |
| wxl | try "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit" Fishercat_ | 21:41 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: I just did.. it's posted [16:40]. | 21:41 |
| wxl | oh derp | 21:42 |
| * genii slides wxl a fresh coffee | 21:42 | |
| Fishercat_ | WXL: Dude, *you've* got nothing to say "derp" about.. | 21:42 |
| wxl | well that all looks good | 21:42 |
| wxl | something must be wrong with your user | 21:43 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: *rolling eyes* Yeah, tell me something I didn't know.. | 21:43 |
| wxl | let's try this Fishercat_ "cat ~/.cache/lxsession/Lubuntu/run.log | pastebinit" | 21:44 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl:http://paste.ubuntu.com/8825228/ | 21:45 |
| wxl | your user is "me"? | 21:46 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: Yup. | 21:46 |
| wxl | nothing too weird there | 21:47 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: Okay. | 21:47 |
| wxl | baffling | 21:47 |
| testdr | Fishercat_: you did upgrade today? There was no working 14.04 version before? | 21:47 |
| wxl | you got any weird autostart stuff running Fishercat_ ? | 21:47 |
| Fishercat_ | testdr: I upgraded last night. Today has been spent on attemped unf*cking shenanigans. | 21:48 |
| testdr | Fishercat_: and you have no backup? | 21:48 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: Not as far as I know. | 21:48 |
| wxl | Fishercat_: careful with the language. we get kiddos in here every now and then. they know about asterisks. | 21:48 |
| wxl | let's figure out what you upgraded | 21:48 |
| Fishercat_ | testdr: No.. and yes, I know.. I'm already kicking myself. | 21:48 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: My apologies. | 21:48 |
| wxl | Fishercat_: "cat /var/log/dpkg.log | pastebinit" | 21:50 |
| Fishercat_ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/8824304/ | 21:50 |
| testdr | Fishercat_: could it be, you have multiple mounts? Different disk-partitions? If anything fails -without backup - your old user-password-seetings are in /etc/shadow - you have to secure the whole /etc - but its a hard work and expensive (time consuming) to get the old user-data back. | 21:51 |
| wxl | um | 21:51 |
| wxl | don't think that's right Fishercat_ :) | 21:51 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: Sorry.. typo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8825304 | 21:51 |
| wxl | weird | 21:51 |
| wxl | you upgraded your system last night from one version to the next? | 21:52 |
| Fishercat_ | testdr: I don't *think* I originally set up different disk partitions. It's just a Linux box; nothing else on it. | 21:52 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: Yes. Last night: 12.04 - 14.04. | 21:52 |
| wxl | Fishercat_: try "cat /var/log/apt/history.log | pastebinit" | 21:53 |
| testdr | Fishercat_: have you already tried to boot the old 12.04 ubuntu-live-install-iso (boot-usb-stick or cd/dvd) to check what data is still availabel in your user-home-directory? | 21:53 |
| wxl | not sure this will help, honestly. | 21:53 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8825350 | 21:54 |
| * wxl sighs | 21:55 | |
| Fishercat_ | testdr: No. It's possible I still have it somewhere, but it'll take a while to even find out if I do. | 21:55 |
| wxl | i might suggest making a new user, giving it admin rights, and seeing if there's problems there | 21:55 |
| wxl | if there's not, just move over stuff from your home as needed | 21:55 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: How do I make a new user from tty? | 21:56 |
| testdr | Fishercat_: you should look for it and if you really need your old user data - you should check you still can read it and make a backup. it could be there is no easy way (commandline-trick) to fix what may went wrong and a complete new installation would be done in very littel time (compared to the time to search for what may gone totally wrong). | 21:57 |
| wxl | Fishercat_: sudo useradd some-name -D | 21:59 |
| wxl | that should give it default values like a home and stuff | 21:59 |
| wxl | you should then give it sudo access with "sudo usermod -aG sudo some-name" | 22:00 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: Just confirming: if I wanted new user name "frustrating" sudo useradd frustrating-name -D is the correct sequence? | 22:00 |
| wxl | aw wait | 22:01 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: am waiting | 22:01 |
| wxl | sudo adduser frustrating | 22:03 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: Thanks. | 22:03 |
| wxl | then | 22:03 |
| wxl | sudo usermod -aG sudo frustrating | 22:03 |
| Borbit | Oke I got the laptop op and running. If I want to connect to the wifi the button connect is grayed out. Like as if the password is to short or something. I am 100% sure i am using the correct password. | 22:04 |
| Borbit | What could cause this? | 22:05 |
| testdr | Borbit: have you tried the lubuntu-live-version first and checked your hardware is working? | 22:05 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: I've got the new user "frustrating," and am currently being prompted to enter the new value or press enter for the default. Prompt line says: "Full name []: " | 22:06 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: Can I just hit enter? | 22:06 |
| wxl | Fishercat_: yep | 22:06 |
| Borbit | testdr: Nope but the laptop is working | 22:06 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl. k | 22:06 |
| testdr | Borbit: ok - if you say its working, then the only possibility is you provide the wrong password or the correct password for the wrong wlan-encryption | 22:07 |
| Borbit | If I type the first 5 letters of my wifi password the Connect button is clickeble. If I type in more letters it is grayed out. | 22:07 |
| testdr | Borbit: you are shure it is your wlan and not the neighbours one with different encryption? | 22:08 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: Just did "sudo usermod -aG sudo frustrating" and am back to original username prompt. | 22:08 |
| Borbit | So if I type the whole password I can not click. Is it possible that the wifi card is to outdated to support passwords with more then 5 letters. I don't think so? | 22:08 |
| wxl | Fishercat_: um, which one? | 22:09 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: "me." | 22:09 |
| Borbit | testdr: Yes. 100%. Just tested the password on my phone. It is not changed. I would know, I manage the router. | 22:09 |
| wxl | Fishercat_: the one that ends in a $? | 22:09 |
| Fishercat_ | wxl: Yup. | 22:10 |
| wxl | Fishercat_: then hit ctrl-alt-f7 and log in as frustrating | 22:10 |
| testdr | Borbit: if you manage it, whats the protocoll-version? What is the wlan-id? Did you select this id? | 22:10 |
| Borbit | testdr: I can not click the "connect" button on the password dialog if I insert more then 5 characters. Weird. | 22:10 |
| testdr | Borbit: the easy short way would be you change the password to less than 6 chars - but i doubt this is the problem, i never saw this restriction if the encryption-level was available | 22:11 |
| Borbit | testdr: It should not make a difference if I would have selected the wrong network. Even than I should at least be able to give a password longer than 5 symbols. | 22:12 |
| testdr | Borbit: to use more chars than 5 is normal - i can prove this with my setup. | 22:12 |
| Borbit | testdr: I can not change the password. I'm fixing this laptop for a friend to use at university. | 22:13 |
| testdr | Borbit: thats why i did ask if the default boot of the ubuntu-live-iso did work. Maybe the install missed some wlan-chips-firmware. But it does not "sound" this way. | 22:14 |
| Borbit | I don't think that is it. But I will try anyway. | 22:15 |
| testdr | Borbit: use the ubuntu-live-boot-version first to check. I can sent you to install additional firmware-pakets for non-default-installed wlan-chipset. But this make no sense without hardware specs. | 22:15 |
| Borbit | Should have been the first thing I did! | 22:15 |
| krytarik | Borbit: Seems like it's this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/304460/wifi-only-accepts-passwords-of-5-or-13-characters | 22:15 |
| testdr | Borbit: link of krytarik says it - could be a global wlan setup not working with old wlan-chipsets | 22:17 |
| Borbit | testdr: I can not boot into the live mode as I have to force pea. | 22:17 |
| testdr | Borbit: that sounds like a realy old hardware - looks a lot like this hardware wont do the new encryption-standards for wlan. If a new usb-wlan-stick is available, try this .. | 22:18 |
| Borbit | Yes I think this could be it. It's a very old wifi plugin card. So it might be configured for wep. | 22:18 |
| testdr | Borbit: one way it to use another local old wlan-router to supply this older wlan-connection (with the known security issues). | 22:19 |
| testdr | s/it/is/ | 22:20 |
| Borbit | testdr: the laptop has to go out and connect to different wifi networks. It's not realistic to rig the city with old routers. | 22:22 |
| testdr | Borbit: then the only way is to buy a newer usb-wlan-stick - sorry, thats most time old harware goes out of usage | 22:23 |
| Borbit | So I can go to network connections. Click my network, edit the settings. They are indeed standard on wep. How do I set it standard to wpa? | 22:23 |
| Borbit | testdr: I'm not sure the stick does not support wpa? | 22:24 |
| Borbit | I much prefer to keep using old hardware as long as it's fixable. | 22:25 |
| testdr | Borbit: check the hardware (lspci, lsusb - where the hardwar show its id) and use the manufacture or google to lookup its wlan-support | 22:25 |
| testdr | Borbit: i have old hardware still in use - but for example for such things i use a normal twisted-pair-network-connection. | 22:26 |
| Borbit | testdr: Yes I will be able to find it on the google. It's a linksys wpc11 ver.3. | 22:29 |
| Squantiff | Is there a window overview equivalent commant in lubuntu like there is in OSX and some other OSes? | 22:30 |
| testdr | Borbit: older hardware is still usable for writing , simple media/grafik/audio-work - but not for a whole encryption. And is usb-2.0 is available i use a newer usb-wlan-stick or bluetooth stick and so on. | 22:31 |
| testdr | s/is/if) | 22:31 |
| Borbit | testdr: It's one of those cards you slide into a laptop. | 22:32 |
| testdr | Borbit: than its so old -its without usb-slots? those old pcmia-slots? | 22:32 |
| Borbit | testdr: No it does future 2 usb ports! | 22:33 |
| testdr | Borbit: a usb-wlan-stick (new one) is available for less than 20$ (some around 10?) | 22:34 |
| Borbit | testdr: I have a slightly never slide in card. It's just missing most of the cover. | 22:36 |
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