[06:12] <Fishercat> Hi. I'm having some trouble after updating, and wonder if anyone might be able to help.
[06:13] <ianorlin> from which version to which fishercat and have you read the relase notes
[06:14] <Fishercat> 12.04 to 14.04; I haven't. Can you point me at them? The basic documentation for 14.04 is, well, really basic.
[06:15] <Fishercat> You know, never mind.. I can check for the release notes myself.
[06:17] <Fishercat> Okay.. there doesn't seem to be anything in the release notes covering the issue I'm having.
[08:02] <Ahmuck> what software is being used for the creation of the guest account
[08:03] <leszek> Ahmuck: adduser I guess. So nothing special
[08:04] <leszek> its only creating the guest users home on a temporary folder
[08:04] <leszek> "temporary folder" a folder mounted with tmpfs
[08:05] <Ahmuck> i don't think it's adduser
[08:05] <Ahmuck> it's tied into lightdm
[08:05] <leszek> hmm....
[08:05] <Ahmuck> and creates the account on the fly
[08:05] <leszek> it must be adduser
[08:05] <leszek> or useradd
[08:05] <leszek> its just as script though that creates this guest user
[08:06] <Ahmuck> so it adds a user via adduser on the fly and then deletes everything?
[08:07] <leszek> yeah it uses apparmor also to only have read access to /home and other files and folders
[08:10] <Ahmuck> is that new?
[08:10] <Ahmuck> the apparmor thing?
[08:10] <leszek> Nope its old since Ubuntu 11.10 or so
[08:10] <Ahmuck> http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2013/Jan/240
[08:11] <Ahmuck> seclists indicate that guest is able to traverse directories
[08:12] <leszek> yeah read only. But guest shouldn't be able to write anything
[08:14] <Ahmuck> i did ltsp for a small test lab a couple of years back.  nobody really wanted to use it because of this reason, the ability to "read" anothers directory. iirc
[08:16] <Ahmuck> anyhow.  out.
[08:16] <leszek> Yeah I am also not sure why the guest account option exists at all.
[08:16] <Ahmuck> backdoored?
[08:16] <Ahmuck> gtg.  need sleep
[08:17] <leszek> ah ok, different time zone :P Its morning here :P
[08:17] <leszek> cu
[08:17] <Ahmuck> actually it exists so that someone can use your computer without logging into your account
[08:17] <Ahmuck> the problem is ... i don't want anybody using my computer anyway
[08:17] <leszek> exactly
[08:18] <Ahmuck> ya, it's 2:17 am here.  sleeping.
[08:45] <ethos> Hi
[08:45] <ethos> Can someone please help me figure out why lubuntu is only seeing one gig of ram when I have two gigs?
[08:49] <ethos> Also, in a .conf file if there is a # in front of something does that mean it's ignored?
[12:23] <Steven|> CAn I update to Lubuntu 14.10 via command line?
[12:24] <hateball> Steven|: If you're on 14.04
[12:24] <Steven|> yup
[12:24] <hateball> Steven|: "sudo do-release-upgrade"
[12:25] <Steven|> ah nice thank you hateball!
[12:28] <Steven|> Well its telling me there is no new release but I'm still on 14.04.1
[12:29] <Steven|> ah nvm. had to pass the -d option to get it to find it
[12:31] <Steven|> erm nvm. not sure if I should do this if I'm using the LTS lol
[12:33] <hateball> well it depends if you want to stay on LTS or not :)
[14:31] <badbeatv> hi, does anybody know why my screen goes off when i open a youtube video?
[14:32] <badbeatv> i can still hear the audio but my screen goes off. any actions i do still happen but screen is off
[14:47] <Fishercat> Hi. I'm having some problems post-update from 12.04 to 14.04 and am looking for suggestions. The only similar issue I've seen in the release notes is Bug #1308530, but what's happening with my box is a bit different.
[15:59] <Fishercat> Hi. I'm having some problems post-update from 12.04 to 14.04 and am looking for suggestions. The only similar issue I've seen in the release notes is Bug #1308530, but what's happening with my box is a bit different. Can anybody help?
[16:00] <holstein> Fishercat: what problems?
[16:00] <holstein> Fishercat: you cant login as *any* user?
[16:01] <holstein> or just the user/s with encryption?
[16:01] <Fishercat> I can log in as a guest user, but not as my main user.
[16:01] <Fishercat> So, no admin privileges, and anything I do is wiped.
[16:02] <holstein> well, thats a "feature" of the guest account
[16:02] <Fishercat> Yup, I know.
[16:02] <Fishercat> But it does mean that I can't create a new user as a workaround.
[16:02] <holstein> if you add another account, in the recover console, you would have a "normal" user? then?
[16:02] <holstein> recovery*
[16:03] <Fishercat> Ooh! Recovery console? Where/how?
[16:03] <holstein> Fishercat: at boot.. in grub.. under the current kernel..
[16:03] <Fishercat> Holstein: I'm a GUI user, so, can you talk me through it?
[16:04] <holstein> Fishercat: i would look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword and follow those steps, up to the passwd command, where, you can add a user
[16:04] <Fishercat> Holstein: *happydance* Thank you! :-)
[16:04] <holstein> *adduser command
[16:05] <holstein> if i had my data backed up, i would just use it to put back into the new user account.. if not, i would use http://www.howtogeek.com/116297/how-to-recover-an-encrypted-home-directory-on-ubuntu/ to recover the data
[16:06] <Fishercat> Holstein: Bless your furry little heart. THANK YOU.
[16:08] <holstein> this is all a big "workaround" though. but, you likely wont get that issue addressed in the lubuntu community.. you would have to go to #ubuntu and the mailing lists, and maybe not then
[16:08] <holstein> really depends on what the issue is..
[16:09] <holstein> i personally dont do upgrades.. i find fresh installs to be much quicker..and, you have to have "good" backups, even when using encryption
[16:09] <Fishercat> Yeah, well, I failed my saving throw.
[16:09] <holstein> it may be acceptable to have unencrypted backups laying around the house *not* hooked up to a machine
[16:09] <aciremAukkinoS> (Ooh, that makes me a bad person.... If I'm reinstalling on an ext4 fs, I just trash all but /home, then I trash ~/.* and reinstall.)
[16:10] <aciremAukkinoS> (without formatting)
[16:10] <holstein> or a few "copies".. though, a copy is not a backup
[16:10] <Fishercat> True.
[16:10] <holstein> i dont even bother with the /home, personally.. i keep what configs i need/want backedup or sync'd
[16:11] <holstein> Fishercat: either way, i know that has to be frustrating.. and good luck.. i think you will be able to make a new user there, and migrate the data over..
[16:12] <aciremAukkinoS> (Actually I just did that, switching a Linux Mint system to an ArchLinux system. Virtually no problems.)
[16:12] <holstein> yup.. its just that little word "virtually"
[16:13] <Fishercat> Holstein, thank you again..
[16:13] <holstein> i have aboslutely no problems.. at least no surprise problems. those can be quite different versions of software.. expecting, for example, a gnome config from ubuntu 12.04 from 2012 to work with an arch system with the bleeding edge gnome.. that can be problematic
[16:13] <holstein> nothing that cant be handled..
[16:14] <aciremAukkinoS> The world of Weird Configuration Things®
[16:14] <holstein> WOW-CT :) ... .com
[17:03] <Fishercat> Hi. In trying the solutions [HOLSTEIN] previously  suggested for my post-update 12.04 - 14.04 blues, I've run into a snag. Root access doesn't recognize "mount" as a command. Any suggestions?
[17:17] <Fishercat> Hi. I'm having trouble logging in after upgrading from 12.04 to 14.04. The only similar issue in the release notes is Bug #1308530, but there are differences: a) I upgraded from Pangolin; b) I'm not positive that my home directory was encrypted; and c)  I can log in as a guest user. I've been pointed at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword, but none of the three variants shown there have worked. (Grub doesn't recognize "
[17:17] <Fishercat> I'm a GUI user. Can anyone help?
[19:15] <Fishercat> Hi. I've got post-upgrade 12.04 --> 14.04 problems. The GUI is only accessible as a guest user. When I log in to my home directory, it sticks at the splash screen.  I'm a GUI user familiar, but not comfortable, with terminal use.  Can anyone offer any suggestions?
[19:44] <holstein> Fishercat: the link i gave addresses the root access
[19:45] <holstein> Fishercat: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword addresses mounting the filesystem to create a new user..
[19:45] <holstein> Fishercat: not to recover your encrypted /home..
[19:46] <holstein> Fishercat: if you have your data backed up, which, you need to have that regardless, since all drives *will* fail.. you may choose to fresh install, and put your data back.. i would expect that to take about 20 minutes, and "fix" everything for you
[19:47] <Fishercat> Holstein: Hi.. yes, I tried all three options given at that link. For the first option, Grub didn't recognize "mount" as a command.
[19:47] <holstein> Fishercat: grub is not running that command to recognize it, though
[19:48] <holstein> Fishercat: you need to boot the recovery console.. from there you are in a root shell
[19:49] <Fishercat> Holstein -- the first directions in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword tell you to remount as read write.. and I can't.
[19:49] <Fishercat> I did boot from the recovery console (or at least, that was the option I tried).. following the rest of the directions didn't work, though.
[19:50] <holstein> Fishercat: you cant "try".. you must get to the root shell.. the rest of the directions depend on that
[19:50] <Fishercat> I believe I did get to the root shell.
[19:50] <holstein> Fishercat: please reboot the machine, tapping shift to show the grub menu.. then, manually arrow to the recover console.. from there, select "root shell" and share errors
[19:51] <Fishercat> Okay.. will do. Tap shift repeatedly, rather than holding it down?
[19:51] <holstein> Fishercat: after the bios, just do literally *whatever* it takes to show the grub menu from where you select the recovery console
[19:51] <holstein> Fishercat: you cant go past that.. if you do, you get back in the current loop you are in..
[19:52] <holstein> Fishercat: you *can*, try tty from the current loop you are in.. but, i would keep moving
[19:52] <holstein> Fishercat: i could reinstall and put that system back together in about 20 minutes, so, you may not want to spend too long here, if you can kep moving
[19:52] <holstein> !tty
[19:52] <holstein> you can try login, and where you are hanging booting into the UI, you can try tty
[19:53] <Fishercat> Hang on..
[19:53] <holstein> *if* you can login tty, then, you can remove the .config files that are "breaking" the ui
[19:53] <holstein> OR, you can boot the live CD from the other link, and access the encrypted /home, from a live CD, and remove the users config files there
[19:53] <Fishercat> Which am I trying first, please? Grub menu, or TTY?
[19:53] <holstein> Fishercat: doesnt matter to me
[19:53] <Fishercat> Okay.
[19:53] <holstein> Fishercat: im just firing out what i would do.. and i wouldnt spend hours on each thing
[19:54] <Fishercat> Grub first. Back soon.
[19:54] <holstein> Fishercat: none of them are "fixes"
[19:54] <holstein> Fishercat: this is just a way for you to learn what is happening, and apply a work around, or get your data. or whatever
[19:54] <Fishercat> Gotcha.
[20:23] <Aladiah> I cant install Nokuntu on Lubuntu 14.04 .Why ?
[20:24] <wxl> !info nokuntu
[20:24] <wxl> ?
[20:26] <genii> Aladiah: What is it and how did you attempt to install it?
[20:27] <Aladiah> it is pc suite.
[20:27] <Aladiah> people say its because Gambas 2 need
[20:28] <Aladiah> i try this http://askubuntu.com/questions/406414/unable-to-install-nokia-pc-suite-nokuntu-on-13-10-14-04   but in first step packages not found http://paste.ubuntu.com/8824273/
[20:28] <Aladiah> ITs an linux alternative to Nokia pc suite for cell phones.
[20:30] <Aladiah> I cant find an alternative that work as a pc suite for me
[20:30] <teward> genii: it's old deprecated software
[20:30] <teward> genii: its deps were dropped after 13.10 it seems
[20:30] <teward> it's not maintained either
[20:31] <teward> also, crossposting is still an issue since htey're asking here and in #ubuntu
[20:34] <genii> So maybe install 13.10 into a chroot and xnest to it
[20:35] <SonikkuAmerica> Meh, why not an LXC container? Those things are getting fashionable
[20:35] <wxl> dude if you add "cloud" to anything it'
[20:35] <wxl> s fashionable
[20:35] <wxl> i could singlehandedly take care of ppc just by saying the "c" stands for cloud
[20:35] <wxl> everyone would jump on board
[20:36] <Aladiah> How to run a windows virtual box in Lubuntu 14.04 ?
[20:36] <wxl> oops wrong channel!
[20:36] <wxl> anyways Aladiah install virtualbox and then install windows in a new virtual machine.
[20:36] <SonikkuAmerica> Yeah, that ^.
[20:37] <Fishercat_> Hi. I'm having problems post-update from 12.04 to 14.04. The only GUI access is as a guest user; when I log in to my home directory, it sticks on the splash page. Can anyone help?
[20:37] <SonikkuAmerica> wxl: Unfortunately LXC isn't the cloud
[20:37] <Aladiah> wxl : i will need  Windows OEM disk   for that ? What is this  Windows OEM disk  ?
[20:37] <wxl> SonikkuAmerica: nope, it's not. but it's tangentially related :)
[20:37] <wxl> Aladiah: the installation cd.
[20:38] <wxl> Fishercat_: can you get to a virtual terminal?
[20:38] <Aladiah> wxl: i need a CD or a USb pen to have virtual box ?
[20:38] <wxl> Aladiah: you need some kind of installation media.
[20:39] <wxl> Aladiah: i doubt you're going to find a windows installtion iso just laying around on the internet
[20:39] <wxl> although there are places…
[20:39] <Aladiah> wxl; do you think Nokia pc suite will run with usb and everythin on virtual machine ?
[20:39] <wxl> Aladiah: possible.
[20:41] <Fishercat_> wxl: I think so, but I'm a GUI user, I'm not confident that's where I am.
[20:41] <wxl> !vt | Fishercat_
[20:41] <wxl> argh
[20:41] <wxl> !tty | Fishercat_
[20:41] <wxl> that's what i refer to
[20:42] <wxl> if you can, log in and see if /var/log/syslog or /var/log/dmesg give you any info
[20:42] <Fishercat_> Okay, hang on, thanks.. I'll try it on the Linux box.
[20:43] <Borbit> So I'm trying to install lubuntu 14.10 on a old pentium m thinkpad. It tells me the kernel is not compatible as the pentium M does not support "PAE". I found a fix for this here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/AdvancedMethods#Pentium_M_and_Celeron_M . However it does not seem to work. The ubuntu wiki tells me to boot, highlight the install option and then press F6. When I do this nothing happens! How to save this nice thinkpad???
[20:46] <Fishercat_> wxl: I can get to a terminal.. I can get to a bunch of terminals. Does it matter which one?
[20:46] <wxl> Fishercat_: nope. you can use "more /var/log/syslog" or "less /var/log/syslog" to read the file. just hit space to go to the next page.
[20:47] <Fishercat_> wxl: Okay.. I'm gonig to read the syslog.
[20:48] <Borbit> I have solved my problem already. Simply tap tab. Thanks!
[20:48] <Fishercat_> wxl: I can't read either /syslog or /dmesg. Permission is denied.
[20:49] <Fishercat_> Should I try rebooting without going into guest mode to do so?
[20:49] <wxl> Fishercat_: did you log in as your normal user?
[20:49] <Fishercat_> wxl: Nope. Logged into GUI as guest user. Will reboot, and switch to terminal to log in as admin.
[20:50] <wxl> Fishercat_: yeah log into the tty as your actual user. no need to reboot.
[20:50] <Borbit> Does disk encryption effect the speed of the computer?
[20:51] <Fishercat_> wxl: I tried logging into the tty as my normal user already. (Am already rebooting other machine.)
[20:51] <Unit193> Borbit: Slightly.
[20:51] <wxl> Fishercat_: there is no reason you should be permission denied with your regular user.
[20:52] <Fishercat_> wxl: I've just rebooted, and switched to tty when I got to the login point on the GUI. It's again denying me permission as regular user.
[20:52] <wxl> Fishercat_: and what are you trying to do again?
[20:53] <Borbit> Its an actual IBM thinkpad. So might just not select it. The computer is for a non technical friend of mine. Would it be necessary to add a virus protection program? I never use one. But I kind of know the unsafe things on the internet. She does not at all I think.
[20:53] <Fishercat_> wxl: The problem that brought me here: GUI is only accessable as guest user. Logging in to my home directory causes it to stick on the splash screen.
[20:54] <wxl> Fishercat_: don't log in to the gui. just go to tty at the login screen.
[20:54] <Fishercat_> wxl: I just did that. It denied me permission to read syslog again.
[20:54] <Fishercat_> Wait.. hang on.
[20:54] <wxl> Fishercat_: what command are you doing to read the syslog?
[20:54] <Fishercat_> The one you just gave me: /var/log/syslog
[20:55] <wxl> Fishercat_: wrong. i said using "more" or "less" before the filename
[20:55] <Fishercat_> wxl: Okay. So it should be: more/var/log/syslog?
[20:55] <wxl> Fishercat_: no. "more /var/log/syslog"
[20:56] <Fishercat_> wxl: Will do
[20:56] <Fishercat_> wxl: Oookay. That yielded STUFF.
[20:57] <Fishercat_> wxl: What info there is pertinent? There's a screenful.
[20:58] <wxl> Fishercat_: look for errors. you might want to just put it up for us to look at.
[20:58] <wxl> !paste | Fishercat_
[21:00] <Fishercat_> wxl: I'm going to have to type it.. this is the laptop.
[21:00] <wxl> Fishercat_: um. just use pastebinit.
[21:00] <wxl> !pastebinit | Fishercat_
[21:01] <Fishercat_> wxl: The error messages are on the Linux box. I'm accessing IRC on the laptop.
[21:02] <wxl> Fishercat_: so you can type out the paste url.
[21:03] <Fishercat_> wxl: Okay.. going to try pastebinit.. right back.
[21:05] <Fishercat_> wxl: How do I get out of the syslog and back to the command prompt? (I'm sorry.. )
[21:05] <wxl> Fishercat_: q
[21:05] <Fishercat_> wxl: THANKS
[21:05] <wxl> Fishercat_: then do "cat /var/log/syslog | pastebinit"
[21:05] <wxl> Fishercat_: assuming you already have pastebinit installed
[21:05] <wxl> Fishercat_: if you don't "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y install pastebinit"
[21:05] <Fishercat_> wxl: Don't know if I have it installed or not. Any way to tell, or should I just try it?
[21:06] <wxl> Fishercat_: you probably don't then
[21:06] <Fishercat_> wxl: Okay.
[21:09] <COuette-Couette> newbi on lubuntu
[21:09] <COuette-Couette> actually on Kubuntu
[21:10] <COuette-Couette> is it hard
[21:10] <Fishercat_> wxl: pastebinit is installed, have syslog back up. Now what? "q, ENTER, then pastebinit?"
[21:10] <wxl> Fishercat_: cat /var/log/syslog | pastebinit
[21:12] <Fishercat_> wxl: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8824828
[21:14] <wxl> nothing obvious Fishercat_ ; do the same with /var/log/dmesg and /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[21:14] <Fishercat_> wxl: Will do.
[21:16] <Fishercat_> wxl: "No such file or directory." For both /dmesg and Xorg.0.log.
[21:19] <Borbit> I have a laptop with a really weird keyboard layout. It's very similar to this one I found on the internet. ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/globalization/keyboards/KBD143.pdf. Some small things are different, but most of the things are in the same weird place. I have never seen anything like this. The keyboard recognition in the Lubuntu installer can not figure it out. How do I find out what version my keyboard is? Very strange keyboard. P
[21:19] <Borbit> lease assist. Thanks in advance!
[21:19] <Squantiff> Hello
[21:20] <Squantiff> CAn someone please help me?
[21:20] <Squantiff> I ccan't seem to start xserver
[21:20] <SonikkuAmerica> Borbit: Your link is broken.
[21:20] <SonikkuAmerica> Squantiff: [ startx ]
[21:20] <Squantiff> It says no screens found
[21:20] <SonikkuAmerica> Squantiff: Did you install Xorg?
[21:20] <Squantiff> But lspci | grep VGA lists a compatible controller
[21:20] <Squantiff> Yesd
[21:20] <SonikkuAmerica> (Or uninstall it)
[21:20] <Squantiff> I did not uninstall it
[21:20] <Squantiff> What I did was I had it output through HDMI only
[21:21] <Squantiff> Then it froze, I rebooted, and now it won't display through either
[21:22] <Squantiff> xinit giving up xinit unable to connect to X server: Connection refused xinit: server error
[21:22] <Squantiff> Those ar ethe last three lines
[21:22] <SonikkuAmerica> Squantiff: Not to sound rude, but can you take your question to #ubuntu ? They might be able to help you better.
[21:22] <Borbit> That is strange. The link works here. I got there from here http://www-01.ibm.com/software/globalization/topics/keyboards/registry_index.html   and then it's the dutch layout.
[21:22] <Squantiff> Fatal server error (EE) no screens found is above that
[21:22] <Squantiff> SonikkuAmerica not rude at all. Helpful in fact. Thank you very much for your guidance kind sir.,
[21:24] <Squantiff> Can I uninstall xserver and fully reinstall?
[21:24] <Squantiff> Do you think it would help?
[21:24] <Borbit> SonikkuAmerica: That is strange. The link works here. I got there from here http://www-01.ibm.com/software/globalization/topics/keyboards/registry_index.html   and then it's the dutch layout.
[21:24] <SonikkuAmerica> So, the 143-key keyboard Borbit ?
[21:25] <Borbit> SonikkuAmerica: Yes.
[21:26] <SonikkuAmerica> Borbit: Can you try manually selecting the keyboard layout?
[21:27] <wxl> Fishercat_: try "ls -al /var/log | pastebinit"
[21:27] <Borbit> SonikkuAmerica: I have no idea what to select. Dutch don't work. The normal keyboards over here are very similar if not the same as a english international keyboard.
[21:35] <Fishercat_> wxl: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8825111
[21:36] <wxl> Fishercat_: i see both dmesg and Xorg.0.log there
[21:36] <Fishercat_> wxl: Yup, so do I.
[21:37] <wxl> Fishercat_: so try "cat /var/log/dmesg | pastebinit"
[21:37] <Borbit> SonnikuAmerica: I really don't have a clue here. I can't even think of a google search that would give any useful results.
[21:37] <Fishercat_> wxl: Okay.
[21:38] <Borbit> Anyone know of there is some irc room with people that are crazy about keyboard layouts?
[21:38] <Fishercat_> wxl:  http://paste/ubuntu.com/8825146
[21:40] <testdr> Fishercat_: invalid url
[21:40] <Fishercat_> wxl: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8825166 (Xorg.0.log)
[21:40] <wxl> testdr: s/paste\//paste\./
[21:41] <wxl> nothing too terrible there
[21:41] <testdr> wxl: yep - did not see it at once -
[21:41] <wxl> try "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit" Fishercat_
[21:41] <Fishercat_> wxl: I just did.. it's posted [16:40].
[21:42] <wxl> oh derp
[21:42]  * genii slides wxl a fresh coffee
[21:42] <Fishercat_> WXL:  Dude, *you've* got nothing to say "derp" about..
[21:42] <wxl> well that all looks good
[21:43] <wxl> something must be wrong with your user
[21:43] <Fishercat_> wxl: *rolling eyes* Yeah, tell me something I didn't know..
[21:44] <wxl> let's try this Fishercat_ "cat ~/.cache/lxsession/Lubuntu/run.log | pastebinit"
[21:45] <Fishercat_> wxl:http://paste.ubuntu.com/8825228/
[21:46] <wxl> your user is "me"?
[21:46] <Fishercat_> wxl: Yup.
[21:47] <wxl> nothing too weird there
[21:47] <Fishercat_> wxl: Okay.
[21:47] <wxl> baffling
[21:47] <testdr> Fishercat_: you did upgrade today? There was no working 14.04 version before?
[21:47] <wxl> you got any weird autostart stuff running Fishercat_ ?
[21:48] <Fishercat_> testdr: I upgraded last night. Today has been spent on attemped unf*cking shenanigans.
[21:48] <testdr> Fishercat_: and you have no backup?
[21:48] <Fishercat_> wxl: Not as far as I know.
[21:48] <wxl> Fishercat_: careful with the language. we get kiddos in here every now and then. they know about asterisks.
[21:48] <wxl> let's figure out what you upgraded
[21:48] <Fishercat_> testdr: No.. and yes, I know.. I'm already kicking myself.
[21:48] <Fishercat_> wxl: My apologies.
[21:50] <wxl> Fishercat_: "cat /var/log/dpkg.log | pastebinit"
[21:50] <Fishercat_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8824304/
[21:51] <testdr> Fishercat_: could it be, you have multiple mounts? Different disk-partitions? If anything fails -without backup - your old user-password-seetings are in /etc/shadow - you have to secure the whole /etc - but its a hard work and expensive (time consuming) to get the old user-data back.
[21:51] <wxl> um
[21:51] <wxl> don't think that's right Fishercat_ :)
[21:51] <Fishercat_> wxl: Sorry.. typo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8825304
[21:51] <wxl> weird
[21:52] <wxl> you upgraded your system last night from one version to the next?
[21:52] <Fishercat_> testdr: I don't *think* I originally set up different disk partitions. It's just a Linux box; nothing else on it.
[21:52] <Fishercat_> wxl: Yes. Last night: 12.04 - 14.04.
[21:53] <wxl> Fishercat_: try "cat /var/log/apt/history.log | pastebinit"
[21:53] <testdr> Fishercat_: have you already tried to boot the old 12.04 ubuntu-live-install-iso (boot-usb-stick or cd/dvd) to check what data is still availabel in your user-home-directory?
[21:53] <wxl> not sure this will help, honestly.
[21:54] <Fishercat_> wxl: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8825350
[21:55]  * wxl sighs
[21:55] <Fishercat_> testdr: No. It's possible I still have it somewhere, but it'll take a while to even find out if I do.
[21:55] <wxl> i might suggest making a new user, giving it admin rights, and seeing if there's problems there
[21:55] <wxl> if there's not, just move over stuff from your home as needed
[21:56] <Fishercat_> wxl: How do I make a new user from tty?
[21:57] <testdr> Fishercat_: you should look for it and if you really need your old user data - you should check you still can read it and make a backup. it could be there is no easy way (commandline-trick) to fix what may went wrong and a complete new installation would be done in very littel time (compared to the time to search for what may gone totally wrong).
[21:59] <wxl> Fishercat_: sudo useradd some-name -D
[21:59] <wxl> that should give it default values like a home and stuff
[22:00] <wxl> you should then give it sudo access with "sudo usermod -aG sudo some-name"
[22:00] <Fishercat_> wxl: Just confirming: if I wanted new user name "frustrating"  sudo useradd frustrating-name -D is the correct sequence?
[22:01] <wxl> aw wait
[22:01] <Fishercat_> wxl: am waiting
[22:03] <wxl> sudo adduser frustrating
[22:03] <Fishercat_> wxl: Thanks.
[22:03] <wxl> then
[22:03] <wxl> sudo usermod -aG sudo frustrating
[22:04] <Borbit> Oke I got the laptop op and running. If I want to connect to the wifi the button connect is grayed out. Like as if the password is to short or something. I am 100% sure i am using the correct password.
[22:05] <Borbit> What could cause this?
[22:05] <testdr> Borbit: have you tried the lubuntu-live-version first and checked your hardware is working?
[22:06] <Fishercat_> wxl: I've got the new user "frustrating," and am currently being prompted to enter the new value or press enter for the default. Prompt line says:    "Full name []:   "
[22:06] <Fishercat_> wxl: Can I just hit enter?
[22:06] <wxl> Fishercat_: yep
[22:06] <Borbit> testdr: Nope but the laptop is working
[22:06] <Fishercat_> wxl. k
[22:07] <testdr> Borbit: ok - if you say its working, then the only possibility is you provide the wrong password or the correct password for the wrong wlan-encryption
[22:07] <Borbit> If I type the first 5 letters of my wifi password the Connect button is clickeble. If I type in more letters it is grayed out.
[22:08] <testdr> Borbit: you are shure it is your wlan and not the neighbours one with different encryption?
[22:08] <Fishercat_> wxl: Just did "sudo usermod -aG sudo frustrating" and am back to original username prompt.
[22:08] <Borbit> So if I type the whole password I can not click. Is it possible that the wifi card is to outdated to support passwords with more then 5 letters. I don't think so?
[22:09] <wxl> Fishercat_: um, which one?
[22:09] <Fishercat_> wxl: "me."
[22:09] <Borbit> testdr: Yes. 100%. Just tested the password on my phone. It is not changed. I would know, I manage the router.
[22:09] <wxl> Fishercat_: the one that ends in a $?
[22:10] <Fishercat_> wxl: Yup.
[22:10] <wxl> Fishercat_: then hit ctrl-alt-f7 and log in as frustrating
[22:10] <testdr> Borbit: if you manage it, whats the protocoll-version? What is the wlan-id? Did you select this id?
[22:10] <Borbit> testdr: I can not click the "connect" button on the password dialog if I insert more then 5 characters. Weird.
[22:11] <testdr> Borbit: the easy short way would be you change the password to less than 6 chars - but i doubt this is the problem, i never saw this restriction if the encryption-level was available
[22:12] <Borbit> testdr: It should not make a difference if I would have selected the wrong network. Even than I should at least be able to give a password longer than 5 symbols.
[22:12] <testdr> Borbit: to use more chars than 5 is normal - i can prove this with my setup.
[22:13] <Borbit> testdr: I can not change the password. I'm fixing this laptop for a friend to use at university.
[22:14] <testdr> Borbit: thats why i did ask if the default boot of the ubuntu-live-iso did work. Maybe the install missed some wlan-chips-firmware. But it does not "sound" this way.
[22:15] <Borbit> I don't think that is it. But I will try anyway.
[22:15] <testdr> Borbit: use the ubuntu-live-boot-version first to check. I can sent you to install additional firmware-pakets for non-default-installed wlan-chipset. But this make no sense without hardware specs.
[22:15] <Borbit> Should have been the first thing I did!
[22:15] <krytarik> Borbit: Seems like it's this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/304460/wifi-only-accepts-passwords-of-5-or-13-characters
[22:17] <testdr> Borbit: link of krytarik says it - could be a global wlan setup not working with old wlan-chipsets
[22:17] <Borbit> testdr: I can not boot into the live mode as I have to force pea.
[22:18] <testdr> Borbit: that sounds like a realy old hardware -  looks a lot like this hardware wont do the new encryption-standards for wlan. If a new usb-wlan-stick is available, try this ..
[22:18] <Borbit> Yes I think this could be it. It's a very old wifi plugin card. So it might be configured for wep.
[22:19] <testdr> Borbit: one way it to use another local old wlan-router to supply this older wlan-connection (with the known security issues).
[22:20] <testdr> s/it/is/
[22:22] <Borbit> testdr: the laptop has to go out and connect to different wifi networks. It's not realistic to rig the city with old routers.
[22:23] <testdr> Borbit: then the only way is to buy a newer usb-wlan-stick - sorry, thats most time old harware goes out of usage
[22:23] <Borbit> So I can go to network connections. Click my network, edit the settings. They are indeed standard on wep. How do I set it standard to wpa?
[22:24] <Borbit> testdr: I'm not sure the stick does not support wpa?
[22:25] <Borbit> I much prefer to keep using old hardware as long as it's fixable.
[22:25] <testdr> Borbit: check the hardware (lspci, lsusb - where the hardwar show its id) and use the manufacture or google to lookup its wlan-support
[22:26] <testdr> Borbit: i have old hardware still in use - but for example for such things i use a normal twisted-pair-network-connection.
[22:29] <Borbit> testdr: Yes I will be able to find it on the google. It's a linksys wpc11 ver.3.
[22:30] <Squantiff> Is there a window overview equivalent commant in lubuntu like there is in OSX and some other OSes?
[22:31] <testdr> Borbit: older hardware is still usable for writing , simple media/grafik/audio-work - but not for a whole encryption. And is usb-2.0 is available i use a newer usb-wlan-stick or bluetooth stick and so on.
[22:31] <testdr> s/is/if)
[22:32] <Borbit> testdr: It's one of those cards you slide into a laptop.
[22:32] <testdr> Borbit: than its so old -its without usb-slots? those old pcmia-slots?
[22:33] <Borbit> testdr: No it does future 2 usb ports!
[22:34] <testdr> Borbit: a usb-wlan-stick (new one) is available for less than 20$ (some around 10?)
[22:36] <Borbit> testdr: I have a slightly never slide in card. It's just missing most of the cover.