[06:50] <pitti> Good morning
[06:52] <larsu> guten tag pitti!
[06:52] <pitti> hey larsu!
[07:59] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[08:04] <mlankhorst> morning
[08:05] <didrocks> morning
[08:05] <seb128> lut didrocks
[08:05] <seb128> ça va mieux ?
[08:05] <seb128> hey mlankhorst
[08:06] <didrocks> seb128: encore une barre à la tête, donc pas encore complètement guéri…
[08:06] <didrocks> et toi ?
[08:06] <seb128> ça va bien moi !
[08:08] <mlankhorst> did you upload the change default language pack to french to ubuntu yet?
[08:10] <didrocks> ok, so 2 emails + a bug report with 3 people who noticed that google broke the android studio download over the week-end
[08:10] <didrocks> so it means people are using udtc
[08:10]  * didrocks prepares a release with a fix
[08:13] <seb128> what google changed?
[08:15] <didrocks> two things
[08:16] <didrocks> the first one that I can fix easily
[08:16] <didrocks> md5sum -> sha1
[08:16] <didrocks> the second is more complex, they don't ship the sdk with the editor anymore
[08:16] <didrocks> I will let people setting it up for now, I can't find a way to "register" the sdk easily without any gui
[08:16] <didrocks> but I don't find it easy to find
[08:16] <didrocks> I guess the android studio dev team have a plan
[08:20] <seb128> that's likely
[08:21] <didrocks> that's why I don't want to invest in a workaround for now until it's more clear
[08:22] <seb128> yeah, makes sense
[08:38] <seb128> Laney, I guess you are fine with https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/ubuntu-system-settings/lp1346483/+merge/239230 now?
[08:50] <willcooke> morning all
[08:54] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[08:54]  * didrocks releases udtc fix now
[08:57] <seb128> hey willcooke
[08:57] <seb128> willcooke, do you still plan to fix the ubuntu version/logo issues yourself or should somebody else have a look?
[08:58] <willcooke> seb128, Well, I could take a look, but I want to get these blueprints done, these docs finished, etc etc. So if someone wants to do it now, please feel free - if not, I can get to it in the next week or so
[09:00] <seb128> willcooke, well, it's going to take me 1 minute to change it for the control center and lightdm, it's just that you said you were interested to do that yourself, so we can also let it for you
[09:01] <willcooke> seb128, you crack on it with - you can show me what to do at some point
[09:01] <seb128> k
[09:01] <seb128> willcooke, other topic for you
[09:01] <didrocks> well, if willcooke wants to do, there is really no hurry before the first alpha to have this done
[09:02] <seb128> didrocks, there is not, it's just that while we think about it I would have put the mps up so we can forget about it
[09:03] <willcooke> +1 - get it done
[09:03] <seb128> doing so
[09:03] <seb128> willcooke, so, other topic, when you see robert_ancell can you ask about bug #1388875
[09:04] <seb128> I mentioned it in Washington and tried via email
[09:04] <seb128> but that got little traction
[09:04] <willcooke> seb128, sure thing  - I spoke with his last night, but I can follow up on email
[09:04] <seb128> did you speak about gtkmir/that bug?
[09:04] <willcooke> no
[09:04] <seb128> I just would like to know if anyone is going to look at it/who
[09:05] <seb128> if Robert is not interested it would be good to know so we can try to find somebody else
[09:05] <seb128> or bounce to the Mir team if that's on their side
[09:05] <Laney> morning
[09:05] <Laney> seb128: looking good
[09:06] <seb128> Laney, hey, how are you?
[09:07] <Laney> chilly
[09:07] <Laney> it's pretty foggy today too
[09:07] <Laney> otherwise good ;-)
[09:07] <Laney> you?
[09:07] <seb128> I'm good thanks!
[09:11] <pitti> hey seb128, hey Laney
[09:11] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[09:11] <seb128> hey pitti, wie gehts?
[09:12] <pitti> seb128: gut, danke!
[09:12] <Laney> hey pitti
[09:16] <didrocks> pitti: hey!
[10:30] <Laney> soooooooooooooooooooo 3.14
[10:30] <willcooke> pies
[10:30] <Laney> http://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/gedit3.14.png
[10:30] <Laney> toolbar buttons have a border
[10:30] <willcooke> I like it!
[10:33] <Laney> a glittering career in visual design awaits
[10:33] <willcooke> :D
[10:33] <Laney> & http://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/lightdm.jpg
[10:33] <larsu> Laney: that's so 10 years ago
[10:33] <willcooke> I like it!
[10:33] <larsu> (also, good morning)
[10:33] <Laney> what's up
[10:34] <larsu> ceiling
[10:34] <Laney> I didn't even need to ping you :-)
[10:34] <larsu> (haha)
[10:34]  * larsu lurks
[10:34] <larsu> I should have irssi highlight a few keywords besides my nick...
[10:34] <Laney> and the 'no icon' thing in gedit is a down arrow
[10:34] <Laney> what up with that
[10:35] <Laney> also no ctrl+shift+i :(
[10:35] <larsu> didn't we see some arrow icons missing in some test?
[10:35] <larsu> hm, this is an old gedit though
[10:35] <Laney> possibly
[10:35] <larsu> does `GTK_DEBUG=interactive gedit` work?
[10:35] <Laney> yes this works
[10:35] <larsu> I'll look into that
[10:37] <Laney> yeah installing adwaita-icon-theme gets those back
[10:40] <larsu> so we should probably depend on that...
[10:42] <Laney> probably best to get those icons in our theme
[10:42] <Laney> could copy them ... *cough*
[10:42]  * larsu hands Laney a cough drop
[10:47]  * didrocks will gladly welcome it btw
[10:48] <Laney> 'it'?
[10:48] <didrocks> the cough drop :)
[10:48] <Laney> still ill? :(
[10:48] <didrocks> ah ogra_, finally sharing it! velocity is getting down :)
[10:48] <didrocks> Laney: yeah, better, but not done yet :/
[10:48] <didrocks> Laney: was getting better on Friday, and then, starting to be worse and worse until yesterday
[10:49] <Laney> doh
[10:49] <ogra_> didrocks, its the fault of the ML archives ... it got slow, so sil2100 only shares landing stuff late, that made me go lazy
[10:49] <didrocks> ogra_: heh, still faster than willcooke or popey to notice I guess! :)
[10:49] <ogra_> yeah, these slackers
[10:49] <didrocks> Laney: yeah, starting to get tired of being sick :p
[10:49] <Laney> honey and lemon!
[10:50] <popey> wat wat wat
[10:50] <didrocks> Laney: I'm almost exclusively on that + pain killer since last week :/
[10:51] <popey> didrocks: https://plus.google.com/u/0/109365858706205035322/posts/85z5SxwbWko
[10:51] <popey> you're welcome
[10:51] <didrocks> popey: thanks ;)
[10:52] <didrocks> popey: is the photo your cat?
[10:52] <popey> nope
[10:52] <popey> its one I stole off t'internet
[10:52] <Laney> on only connect yesterday...
[10:53] <Laney> one of the questions had first clue "Salem"
[10:53] <Laney> totally got 5 points on that one
[10:54] <popey> Sabrina?
[10:54] <Laney> witches cats
[10:54] <popey> ah
[10:54] <Laney> #3 was crookshanks
[10:55] <popey> i want this cat http://media2.giphy.com/media/BGf3BlE8sd2O4/200.gif
[10:56] <larsu> you want an exploding cat?
[10:56] <larsu> didrocks: hope you get better soon, man
[10:56] <didrocks> larsu: thanks
[10:57] <Laney> larsu: gnome bug #729565
[10:57] <Laney> we probably can just copy these tbh
[10:57] <willcooke> wait way
[10:57] <willcooke> wait wat
[10:57]  * willcooke reads backlog
[10:57] <Laney> http://paste.debian.net/130208
[10:58] <willcooke> didrocks, no fair - I didn't get my prior warning :)
[10:58] <didrocks> willcooke: heh, the message was short enough to not bother you for a reread! no worry :)
[10:58] <willcooke> bah
[10:58] <willcooke> I demand first sharing rights :D
[10:59] <didrocks> ahah
[10:59] <willcooke> anyway, great job didrocks, as always
[11:00] <willcooke> the rest of you could learn a thing or two from didrocks
[11:00] <willcooke> ;D
[11:00] <larsu> Laney: thanks. Not sure what the licencing situation is on our theme
[11:00] <larsu> *licensing
[11:01] <didrocks> willcooke: well, technically, the work has mostly be done by the community, I'm just stealing credits :)
[11:02] <willcooke> didrocks, you have learnt well grasshopper
[11:02] <willcooke> popey, what's all this Chromium crash business?  Is it chromium?
[11:03] <Laney> dear design, please draw 4 arrows and an ≡ sign
[11:03] <didrocks> Laney: what char is it?
[11:03] <didrocks> alt+xxx?
[11:04] <Laney> something like ▼
[11:04] <didrocks> ah, a full one
[11:04] <Laney> for menus and stuff
[11:06] <Laney> they are actually both under the CC-BY-SA-3.0
[11:08] <larsu> both themes, you mean?
[11:08] <Laney> yes
[11:09] <larsu> cool. let's take that, then
[11:09] <Laney> I'll make a MP
[11:09] <larsu> thanks!
[11:15] <Laney> hmm
[11:15] <Laney> hold on one second
[11:17] <Laney> the adwaita icon theme is a rename / merge of the current gnome icon theme + symbolic icons
[11:17] <Laney> maybe we should indeed update our icon theme to inherit from this one now
[11:17] <ochosi> yeah, adwaita is basically gnome3-icon-theme or something :)
[11:18] <ochosi> and it's just a rename/rebrand afaik
[11:18] <ochosi> there were never separate branches
[11:18] <Laney> right
[11:18] <Laney> I guess we want to do that instead of copying the icons in then
[11:18] <ochosi> depends on whether you wanna save space on the default install
[11:18] <ochosi> theoretically you could pull the icons in that you need
[11:19] <ochosi> we (xubuntu) have done that for a while
[11:19] <ochosi> but yeah, it's work every release...
[11:20] <Laney> blerg
[11:21] <ochosi> just as with gtk themes needing to be patched up every release for the new gtk3 version ;)
[11:23] <Laney> yeaaaaaaaaah gnome-icon-theme has a crazy split going on
[11:24] <mvo_> mlankhorst: hi, I have a interessting crash here and I wonder if you have a idea. if I run glxgears on 14.10/amd64 its fine. if I run glxgears in a click 14.10/amd64 chroot with /dev /proc etc availalbe and DISPLAY set it crashes. ltrace shows glClear() as the last thing, strace is less helpful. crash happens in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/i965_dri.so. any idea?
[11:24] <ochosi> Laney: yeah, i think you basically need to pull in -full to be safe
[11:36] <mlankhorst> mvo_: mount shmfs
[11:36] <mlankhorst> mvo_: without tmpfs dri3 won't work :)
[11:36] <mlankhorst> https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=415681
[11:36] <mvo_> mlankhorst: \o/
[11:37] <mvo_> mlankhorst: and it works like magic, you rock!
[11:37] <mlankhorst> np
[11:40] <willcooke> :) excellent
[11:48] <ochosi> tiheum: i guess there are still no concrete plans for bringing your icon-theme to unity on the desktop..?
[12:01] <Laney> larsu: uploaded the icon theme, so just the button fixes are left AFAICS
[12:04] <larsu> Laney: thanks a lot. I'll have a look at those after lunch
[12:20] <tiheum> ochosi: At the moment, we are 100% focused on the phone. I can't say anyting concerning the desktop.
[12:24] <ochosi> tiheum: ok, good to know though. thanks
[12:38] <mlankhorst> willcooke: fridays 1on1 won't work :)
[12:42] <Laney> pitti: do you see any issues with uploading gnome-terminal now?
[12:55] <Laney> larsu: hmm, checkboxes look weird too (no background)
[12:56] <larsu> Laney: ya, I noticed that too
[12:56] <larsu> also, I wanted to lunch
[12:56] <larsu> :(
[12:56] <Laney> why can't you?
[12:57] <larsu> I can, I just didn't, yet
[12:57] <larsu> fixing an i-message bug
[12:57] <Laney> nod
[12:57] <Laney> we're having rosti
[12:58] <Laney> yum yum
[12:58] <larsu> bon apetite!
[12:59] <Laney> apparently it's rösti
[13:00] <larsu> it is
[13:00]  * larsu understood, though
[13:00] <larsu> going for lunch as well now, you made me hungry
[13:01] <Laney> guten appetit
[13:01] <larsu> thanks!
[13:17] <Laney> blerg^2, vte broke api between 0.36 and 0.38
[13:24] <pitti> Laney: I tested it, and the only issue (but major) is that gnome-terminal-migrate doesn't seem to work
[13:25] <pitti> Laney: i. e. your profile config is gone
[13:25] <pitti> Laney: the migration is being called at start, but it only creates a single dconf key and none of the profile configs
[13:25] <Laney> hmm
[13:25] <Laney> ok we should fix that
[13:25] <pitti> Laney: sorry, I was fairly sure that this worked the last time I tested it, but apparently I did some error
[13:25] <pitti> (with testing that)
[13:28] <Laney> No worries, I'll set up a VM after lunch and poke it
[13:28] <willcooke> mlankhorst, doh!  I knew that too.  Will move.
[13:56] <willcooke> if you haven't already seen it:  http://www.techrepublic.com/article/the-science-behind-the-ebb-and-flow-of-ubuntu-unitys-popularity/
[14:04] <pitti> Laney: FTR, testing with a fresh user is a lot simpler (gnome-terminal{,-data} up/downgrades well)
[14:04] <pitti> Laney: another potentially useful thing from my bash history is: dconf reset -f /org/gnome/terminal/
[14:04] <pitti> Laney: you need that after downgrading to re-do the migration
[14:05] <pitti> Laney: so this iteration works fastest: install new g-t, run gnome-terminal-migrate, investigate, run dconf reset -f /org/gnome/terminal/
[14:05] <pitti> so the turnaround is < 1 s
[14:38] <ochosi> willcooke: it's not a bad article, but i'm not sure where the "science" comes in...
[14:39] <willcooke> ochosi, :) yes
[14:41] <dgadomski> hello everyone
[14:42] <qengho> seb128: I have adobe-flash package that I'd like to be uploaded to partners repo. Do you know who I should talk to?
[14:42] <dgadomski> Sweetshark: hi, could you please take a look at bug #1386170? there is a user who would be very happy with having it fixed in the libreoffice ppa for precise
[15:00] <Sweetshark> dgadomski: do you have a better rationale than "user would be happy" to priotize this over the 700 launchpad and 3000 upstream bugs? Esp. since the user is asking for help on the oldest supported release and an unsupported ppa no less?
[15:04] <dgadomski> Sweetshark: unfortunately not, however I have seen you fixing a similar bug #1200277, if that would be ok with you I would gladly fix it and provide you with the fix in any preferred form
[15:07] <Sweetshark> dgadomski: patches are always welcome of course! (either a debdiff or a git format-patch of a commit against the branch http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-openoffice/libreoffice.git/log/?h=ubuntu-precise-3.5 would be great).
[15:08] <Sweetshark> eh
[15:09] <Sweetshark> dgadomski: forget the git patch thing. you dont want the fix against -3-5 but against something newer in the ppa.
[15:11] <dgadomski> Sweetshark: yes, it would be ok to have it fixed for 4.3
[15:12]  * didrocks looks at Sweetshark and grrr at libroffice "doc repair" which never gets last minutes of edits
[15:14] <Sweetshark> dgadomski: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1386170/comments/2
[15:14]  * Sweetshark hands didrocks a cookie.
[15:15] <Sweetshark> (of course, thats for the hypothetical scenario that LibreOffice crashes, which never happens.)
[15:15] <didrocks> Sweetshark: lost 15 minutes of work, I would need some hot chocolate with it :/
[15:16]  * Sweetshark stirs some hot chocolate for didrocks.
[15:16] <didrocks> thanks!
[15:16] <dgadomski> Sweetshark: well, I think there are problems with reproducing this on trusty due to bug #1241972
[15:30] <willcooke> meeting time
[15:31] <willcooke> #startmeeting Ubuntu Desktop Team Weekly Meeting 2014-11-04
[15:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Nov  4 15:31:15 2014 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:31] <willcooke> #chair willcooke
[15:31] <meetingology> Current chairs: willcooke
[15:31] <willcooke> Roll call:
[15:31] <willcooke> attente_, desrt, didrocks, FJKong (probably afk), happyaron (probably afk), Laney, larsu, mlankhorst, qengho, seb128, sweetshark, tkamppeter (maybe afk)
[15:31]  * willcooke should write a very simple script to replace himself
[15:32] <larsu> echo "meeting time"
[15:32] <willcooke> lol!
[15:32] <willcooke> #topic attente_
[15:32] <willcooke> attente_, how goes it?
[15:32] <FJKong> lol
[15:32] <attente_> hey
[15:33] <attente_> not much to report
[15:33] <attente_> basic cursor support on the gdk mir backend
[15:33] <attente_> in-progress: window dragging
[15:33] <larsu> neat
[15:33] <willcooke> nice!
[15:33] <attente_> (eof)
[15:34] <willcooke> thanks attente_
[15:34] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:34] <mlankhorst> hey
[15:34] <larsu> desrt just brb'd in another channel. not sure if he remembered the dst change
[15:35] <willcooke> thanks larsu, desrt let's come back
[15:35] <willcooke> #topic didrocks
[15:35] <willcooke> didrocks - you're up
[15:35] <didrocks> hey
[15:35] <didrocks> * Releasing Ubuntu Developer Tools Center 0.1 with Eclipse ADT & Eclipse luna support (blog post) on vivid + 14.04 and 14.10
[15:35] <didrocks> * Releasing another 0.1.1 emergency fix today due to Google changing their checksum algorithm + new tests
[15:35] <didrocks> * Implementing (not released yet): Go support + tests
[15:35] <didrocks> * Helping debugging and pushing Qtcreator support on the vivid desktop next image (pending on the qtmir guys now)
[15:35] <didrocks> * Preparing 2 UOS topics: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22331/ubuntu-developer-tools-community-input/ and http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22332/update-to-bluez-5/
[15:35] <didrocks> * More bluez and systemd documentation reading
[15:35] <didrocks> * Preparing a talk on 10 years of Ubuntu I will give on Thursday evening
[15:35] <didrocks> eof
[15:36] <willcooke> thanks didrocks
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[15:36] <willcooke> FJKong, how's it going?
[15:36] <FJKong> Last week I mainly focus on analyzing pinyin search, I found there are one useful opensource project it is written by
[15:36] <FJKong> python, if we can fork it and develop a c/c++ version that will be cool for translating Chinese character to pinyin.
[15:36] <willcooke> neat!  that sounds interesting
[15:37] <FJKong> next week I will give more info to you
[15:37] <willcooke> excellent, look forward to it
[15:37] <willcooke> thanks djinni`
[15:37] <willcooke> oops FJKong
[15:37] <FJKong> lol
[15:37] <willcooke> MUST STOP AUTO COMPLETE EVERY SINGLE WORD
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
[15:38] <willcooke> probably not around atm though
[15:38] <willcooke> happyaron, please let me have your update by email
[15:38] <willcooke> (hint hint)
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:38] <willcooke> Laney, your go
[15:38] <Laney> • short week
[15:38] <Laney> • webkitgtk 2.4.7 merge, test, upload to vivid/utopic/trusty
[15:38] <Laney> • miniupnpc transition
[15:38] <Laney> • merge gtk (in desktop team ppa), test
[15:38] <Laney> ∘ Some new icons required (copied from adwaita-icon-theme into humanity, uploaded)
[15:38] <Laney> ∘ Unwanted borders around some buttons
[15:38] <Laney> ∘ No background on checkboxes or radio buttons
[15:38] <Laney> ∘ Please could someone who can promote fonts-cantarell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fonts-cantarell/+bug/1387599 so it can build
[15:38] <Laney> • Review/upload gdcm, todo: push transition
[15:38] <Laney> • Push some other transitions: libinput libgit2, some tiny helping on upower
[15:38] <Laney> • Some de-/usr/bin/libtool uploads or branches: libaccounts-glib libunity-webapps libdbusmenu
[15:38] <Laney> • Start looking at gnome-terminal 3.12
[15:38] <Laney> • A few Debian merges, patch forwarding, etc
[15:39] <Laney> ➳
[15:39] <didrocks> Laney: I'll promote fonts-cantarell now if you want
[15:39] <Laney> ty
[15:39] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic larsu
[15:39] <willcooke> larsu, your go
[15:39] <larsu> vacation!
[15:39] <willcooke> \o/
[15:40] <larsu> caught up on bugmail etc
[15:40]  * qengho tries to envy larsu to death.
[15:40] <larsu> finsihed up gtk package (thanks for the upload Laney)
[15:40] <Laney> only to the ppa
[15:40] <Laney> but ya
[15:40] <larsu> started fixing bugs - still on the i-messages one
[15:41] <larsu> started reviewing desrt's xmlmarkupreader branch - again
[15:41] <larsu> Laney: ya
[15:41]  * larsu thinks that should be it
[15:41] <willcooke> thanks larsu
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic mlankhorst
[15:41] <mlankhorst> xorg-server updates, looking into using a standalone Xmir binary instead of using Xorg, fixing rotation with intel + SNA
[15:41] <mlankhorst> pretty much it, rotation was high priority
[15:42] <willcooke> thanks mlankhorst
[15:42] <willcooke> mlankhorst, I spoke to bregma who suggested we speak to RAOF about rootless X
[15:42] <mlankhorst> yeah
[15:42] <willcooke> I'll drop him a line and CC you in - see what there is we can help with
[15:42] <mlankhorst> but I haven't managed to contact him
[15:43] <mlankhorst> seems he's having some network troubles
[15:43] <willcooke> I think he's UTC+1million
[15:43] <mlankhorst> yeah he's in australia
[15:43] <willcooke> email will do for now, leave it with me
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:43] <qengho> Hey hey.
[15:43] <willcooke> qengho, any luck with that pp api uplaod?
[15:43] <qengho> - trying to get precise building chromium. #security will release for T+ without it.
[15:44] <qengho> - trying to get adobe-flash into partner repo.
[15:44] <qengho> - working on transition from older flash packages.
[15:44] <qengho> - 4k/unity/chromium bug; webapps PPAPI missing bug; intel-video drm/chromium-sandbox SEGV bug
[15:44] <qengho> willcooke: Not yet. I know who to ask, though.
[15:44] <willcooke> great!
[15:44] <willcooke> thanks qengho
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:45] <willcooke> seb128, you're up
[15:45] <seb128> • upgraded to vivid (main laptop and test one)
[15:45] <seb128> • tried to debug unity8-desktop not starting anymore with new unity8 version
[15:45] <seb128> • helped on the miniupnp transition
[15:45] <seb128> • some gtk-mir testing
[15:45] <seb128> • sponsored gtk patches from desrt for gtkpopup issue under classic desktops
[15:45] <seb128> • desktop merges/sync/updates (libsexy, telepathy-gabble, rhythmbox, ...)
[15:45] <seb128> • ubuntu-system-settings for touch
[15:45] <seb128> ∘ introductory labels/header better styled
[15:45] <seb128> ∘ monochrome icon for the battery panel
[15:45] <seb128> ∘ correct ini parsing in storage
[15:45] <seb128> ∘ reviews
[15:45] <seb128> • got details about bt issues on krillin to file a bugreport
[15:45] <seb128> • some sponsoring
[15:45] <seb128> • usual share of bugs triaging and desktop discussions
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[15:45] <willcooke> awesome, thanks seb128
[15:46] <willcooke> #topic Sweetshark
[15:46] <willcooke> Sweetshark, your go
[15:46] <Sweetshark> not much:
[15:46] <Sweetshark> - security updates and SRUs for utopic, trusty and precise
[15:46] <Sweetshark> - urgent upstream firefighting (enough calls for one cycle last week :/)
[15:46] <Sweetshark> EOF
[15:46] <willcooke> oof, hope things ease off next week
[15:46] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:46] <willcooke> tkamppeter told me he might not be here, so I have his update:
[15:47] <willcooke> - system-config-printer: Uploaded SRU for Utopic to fix several bugs:
[15:47] <willcooke> Utility package installation, infinite loop of link creation when a PPD
[15:47] <willcooke> has bad permissions, authentication of queued jobs not working, setup of
[15:47] <willcooke> HP printers with fax not working.
[15:47] <willcooke> - Switchover of OpenPrinting web site to new server
[15:47] <willcooke> - Bugs.
[15:47] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[15:47] <willcooke> Worked on:
[15:47] <willcooke> - Package updates for vivid
[15:47] <willcooke> - Add DPI support to gdk-pixbuf / simple-scan
[15:47] <willcooke> - Add Mapbox support to qtlocation
[15:47] <willcooke> - Bug triage, fixing
[15:47] <willcooke> Currently working on:
[15:47] <willcooke> - Package updates for vivid
[15:47] <willcooke> - TPM key support
[15:47] <willcooke> Not blocked on anything.
[15:47] <willcooke> #topic any other business
[15:47] <willcooke> Ok
[15:47] <desrt> hi
[15:47] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:48] <willcooke> desrt, hi!
[15:48] <willcooke> paste away...
[15:48] <desrt> - underwent a DST change
[15:48] <desrt> - helped attente get started with mir-gtk hacking
[15:48] <desrt> - kdbus reviews and discussions
[15:48] <desrt> - fixing threading issues in glib file monitoring (GFileMonitor was never written to be threadsafe but a change in 2009 made the API multithreaded.  we start to notice problems with this now that GDesktopAppInfo uses file monitors from the GLib worker thread)
[15:48] <desrt> eof
[15:48] <willcooke> excellent, thanks desrt
[15:48] <willcooke> #topic more other business
[15:48] <seb128> desrt, who is doing gtk-mir now?
[15:49] <larsu> apparently attente_...
[15:49] <desrt> seb128: it looks like attente_ will be leading the efforts but i'm helping as well
[15:49] <seb128> larsu, like all the work?
[15:49] <seb128> or just helping?
[15:49] <seb128> bug #1388875
[15:49] <seb128> would would be the right person to look at ^?
[15:49] <attente_> leading?
[15:49] <desrt> seb128: i think attente is a good point of first contact
[15:49] <willcooke> I mailed robert_ancell about that this morning as well
[15:49] <seb128> k
[15:49] <seb128> that's a bit confusing
[15:50] <desrt> attente_: if stuff gets really hairy feel free to ping me or larsu or robert_ancell as people who know gtk insides...
[15:50] <seb128> good that we have the weekly meeting, I tried to chase robert_ancell about that one, assuming he was still the one working on the backend
[15:50] <larsu> desrt: you have one job: don't confuse seb128!
[15:50] <attente_> ok
[15:51] <seb128> anyway, let's not get off topic
[15:51] <desrt> i meet with attente about once a week at the art gallery for a co-working afternoon -- we tend to discuss gtk stuff at this time
[15:51] <seb128> willcooke, sorry for sidetracking the meeting ;-)
[15:51] <willcooke> so we're agreed - attente_ will be first point of contact, and then we can go from there?
[15:51] <seb128> wfm
[15:51] <willcooke> seb128, no worries - it's "other business" ;)
[15:51] <willcooke> attente_, happy with that?
[15:51] <willcooke> you'll have plenty of support
[15:52] <seb128> I'm a bit surprised it comes as a "made decision" without having being discussed there before
[15:52] <seb128> but wfm
[15:52] <willcooke> what's the relationship between the Gnome Xchat work and the gtk mir work?
[15:52] <attente_> sure, trying it now
[15:52] <desrt> willcooke: we're using various gtk apps as a way to drive the gtk-mir work
[15:52] <desrt> ie: run it, play with it, see what breaks
[15:52] <willcooke> right, makes sense
[15:53] <desrt> "oh.. this doesn't work.... i wonder what we need to fix to make it work..."
[15:53] <willcooke> seb128, happy with that?
[15:53] <desrt> so i mean.. ultimately the goal is to have gtk-mir working nicely... but we express this goal by using apps as milestones
[15:53] <willcooke> seems like a good way to exercise all the various bits and pieces
[15:53] <seb128> desrt, right, but until now robert_ancell was the goto point for such issues
[15:53] <seb128> which apparently change, good as long as everybody know
[15:53] <desrt> seb128: i have to admit i didn't discuss this much with him but i don't think he touched the code in a while either....
[15:53] <seb128> it's a bit frustrating that I tried to get robert when he's not the one working on that anymore
[15:54]  * qengho expects a few "oh, this should ever have worked in old gtk either."
[15:54] <qengho> Never
[15:54] <desrt> qengho: ya... xchat needed some patches already :)
[15:54] <seb128> I hope I didn't confuse him with my emails either
[15:54] <willcooke> seb128, don't worry - I'll square it with him
[15:54] <seb128> desrt, I think it would be good that we all sync up on who does what
[15:54] <desrt> seb128: iirc we (you, me, will cooke) exchanged some emails on this topic...
[15:54] <seb128> we seems to are misaligned atm
[15:54] <seb128> desrt, about making xchat-gnome work on Mir?
[15:55] <seb128> not about changing contact point for gtk-mir backend work
[15:55] <seb128> anyway, let's just all sync up
[15:55] <seb128> there is no issue
[15:55] <seb128> just confusion
[15:55] <desrt> k
[15:55]  * willcooke will send an email to everyone involved 
[15:55] <seb128> willcooke, thanks
[15:56] <willcooke> I'll report back here so everyone knows what the score is
[15:56] <willcooke> ok, so to other business...
[15:56] <willcooke> next week (!!!) is UOS
[15:56] <willcooke> we need to get some sessions scheduled
[15:57] <willcooke> I'm thinking of this:
[15:57] <willcooke> 1.  How do we support flavours in the move to Mir
[15:57] <willcooke> 2.  How do we work with Firefox to support them in our move to Mir
[15:58] <willcooke> 3.  System Image updates on the desktop - how & why
[15:58] <qengho> mlankhorst: May I have your advice on this bug report? See the two videos in description. https://bugs.launchpad.net/chromium-browser/+bug/1383667
[15:58] <willcooke> STEAMROLLER!
[15:58] <willcooke> 4.  clicks & debs on the desktop.  They will need to live side by side I think.  So, how & why.
[15:59] <willcooke> I know didrocks has a session of UDTC
[15:59] <willcooke> what else should we have a session on?
[15:59] <willcooke> Please let me know asap
[15:59] <willcooke> either here or by email
[15:59] <willcooke> and I'll get them scheduled
[15:59] <didrocks> willcooke: I have another session on bluez, if we still want to do it this cycle
[15:59] <willcooke> didrocks, great!  Yes - I'd still like to see if we can land that
[16:01] <willcooke> everyone OK with that?
[16:01]  * willcooke accepts silence as acceptance and willingness to chair a session.
[16:01] <seb128> some of those sessions don't seem that useful
[16:01] <desrt> flavours-move-to-mir for example...
[16:01] <seb128> like "firefox to mir" is not something we are likely to resolve in a UOS session
[16:01] <desrt> seems like the sort of discussion that everyone will stay away from in droves...
[16:02] <seb128> especially with nobody maintaining firefox on our side
[16:02] <seb128> bluez seems like a JDI
[16:02] <didrocks> seb128: we need synchronization with KDE and other flavors on bluez
[16:02] <seb128> cyphermox said he would do the merge, and everything else is just syncing with debian/patching
[16:02] <didrocks> and we need to sync with cyphermox & co, their team didn't answer to emails yet
[16:02] <seb128> didrocks, that sort of already happened over 2 cycles on -devel and launchpad bugs report, Debian finished the migration
[16:03] <seb128> k
[16:03] <didrocks> but if you have info from all of them, including 3rd party, that's great :)
[16:03] <cyphermox> what emails?
[16:03] <seb128> didrocks, I discussed it with cyphermox in Washington
[16:03] <cyphermox> bluez still needs a new pulse first, and that's not released yet
[16:03] <seb128> didrocks, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1162781 has some details as well
[16:03] <didrocks> seb128: seems we need a plan for action still, to at least have the knowledge of everyone and not forgetting any flavors
[16:03] <cyphermox> otherwise we break HSP -- hangouts with bluetooth headsets ;)
[16:03] <didrocks> do you know if kde is happy to move to it this cycle?
[16:04] <cyphermox> as far as I know they expect it just as much as we do
[16:04] <didrocks> cyphermox: but better that said publically than implied, right?
[16:04] <cyphermox> qt 5.4 adds more bluez5 support, and we don't have that yet either
[16:04] <didrocks> and in advance, which was the goal of UDS sessions AFAIK
[16:04] <seb128> didrocks, I think they are, Debian finished that migration
[16:05] <didrocks> seb128: ok, if you want to do the migration without the session, be my guest :)
[16:05] <willcooke> sounds like we have at least one good session :)
[16:05] <seb128> feel free to have a session
[16:05] <seb128> I guess it doesn't hurt
[16:05] <willcooke> better to be explicit than implicit
[16:05] <seb128> yeah
[16:05] <didrocks> at least, not having anyone telling "I didn't know"
[16:05] <didrocks> right, which is the point
[16:05] <cyphermox> yup
[16:06] <didrocks> cyphermox: I'll subscribe you to the session
[16:06] <cyphermox> didrocks: thanks
[16:06] <cyphermox> make me required ;)
[16:06] <didrocks> cyphermox: will do :)
[16:06] <willcooke> so I need some more ideas for sessions then - we should have some "route to 16.04" discussions, which I think the system image updates and debs/clicks session are appropriate for, right?
[16:07] <willcooke> but the other two are more tricky
[16:07] <willcooke> so a couple more useful session ideas by email would be very helpful.
[16:08] <willcooke> right - last call for any other business..... going in 10,
[16:08] <willcooke> 5
[16:08] <desrt> 0
[16:08] <willcooke> gone
[16:08] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[16:08] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Nov  4 16:08:43 2014 UTC.
[16:08] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2014/ubuntu-desktop.2014-11-04-15.31.moin.txt
[16:08] <seb128> willcooke, the issue is having useful session
[16:08] <seb128> we can discuss what Mir needs to support desktop
[16:09] <seb128> but we already discussed that and have bug recorded
[16:09] <seb128> sessions are not going to help moving forward in any way imho
[16:09] <willcooke> agreed
[16:09] <willcooke> dpm, something for you to read ^^^^^^^^
[16:11] <attente_> seb128: your button example seems to work against gtk master
[16:13] <seb128> attente_, can you confirm the bug with the ubuntu version?
[16:14] <willcooke> Public notice:  Bug #1386241
[16:15] <willcooke> Please help test ^^^^
[16:15] <willcooke> dgadomski, this might come across your desk in the future ^^^^
[16:16] <dgadomski> willcooke: thanks, I will keep that in mind
[16:20] <attente_> seb128: it's working with the ubuntu versions too
[16:21] <seb128> attente_, weird, how are you testing?
[16:21] <attente_> seb128: under the mir_demo_server_shell
[16:21] <seb128> attente_, k, so maybe the issue is unity8 then
[16:22] <seb128> because it doesn't work under unity8-desktop/desktop-next
[16:22] <seb128> as I wrote in the bug report, that could be a shell issue
[16:23] <attente_> could be, i'll try it under unity8
[16:23] <seb128> thanks
[16:41] <popey> willcooke: you need a cat, so you can reproduce bug 1389314 ☻
[16:43] <ogra_> popey, you mean he doesnt have one ? how could he become a manager here !
[16:43]  * ogra_ thought thats an acceptance criteria for getting a manager job
[16:45] <popey> I know, right!
[16:48] <willcooke> I've got a cat emulator
[16:49] <willcooke> one for bregma and co I expect
[17:45] <Laney> rsalveti: What is https://launchpadlibrarian.net/189046475/gst-plugins-good1.0_1.4.3-1ubuntu1_1.4.3-1ubuntu2.diff.gz and why is it Forwarded: no?
[18:01] <Laney> Uploaded gnome-terminal to desktop ppa, please test
[18:01] <Laney> I didn't get the migration problems pitti had
[18:01]  * Laney is off, laters
[18:01] <willcooke> tata Laney
[18:01] <pitti> Laney: \o/
[18:01] <pitti> Laney: so profile settings (background color, text color, font size, etc.) got migrated correctly for you?
[18:10] <mlankhorst> qengho: with fglrx.. hard to do anything about it
[18:11] <rsalveti> Laney: because it was not yet forwarded?
[18:12] <rsalveti> Laney: this is a sync from RTM
[19:45] <Laney> pitti: not transparency, but I updated the patch to do that, otherwise yeah
[19:52] <Laney> rsalveti: I get that, I'm suggesting that instead of "no" it should be forwarded before uploading to Ubuntu.
[19:53] <rsalveti> Laney: we know that, we'll hopefully be focusing on upstreaming these changes now that we're mostly done with the critical bug fixes
[19:56] <Laney> It would be better to work the other way around
[19:56] <Laney> Someone might even have commit access by now
[20:09] <rsalveti> I completely agree, but unfortunately we didn't have time to work on that
[20:10] <rsalveti> we basically only have jim to take care of all the multimedia stuff
[20:10] <rsalveti> I asked for someone else to help on that like an year ago
[21:29] <jhodapp> Laney: yeah, will be focusing on upstreaming bit by bit now, as rsalveti said
[21:30] <jhodapp> Laney, it's my goal to completely get rid of our custom gstreamer package patches, at least for Ubuntu Phone