[17:34] I do not see pmatulis. I thought there was supposed to be a docs meeting now. ? [17:34] Me too [17:36] A reminder on the list would probably have been wise... [17:37] Is there anybody besides Gunnar and myself here for the doc team meeting? [17:40] GunnarHj - since you and I communicate reguarly via e-mail, and since nobody else is here, let's terminate the meeting. [17:41] dsmythies: Maybe we could hold it you and me. At least we could clean up the meeting page a bit. [17:41] O.K. [17:42] license item. I am O.K. with. and I do not think it prevents me from having my debug mirror of help.ubuntu.com on my site [17:42] No problem here either. [17:43] new nagivation for help.ubuntu.com seems stalled. [17:43] Right. [17:44] Suppose we can remove the .htaccess action item. [17:44] I am very happy with the current state of .htaccess and robots.txt and, finally the CSE. I think search results are actually useful now. [17:44] Thanks for your hardword on that [17:45] Thanks for your hard work on that [17:45] Thank you. We did it together. :) [17:46] There is one thing I thought about as regards the CSE: [17:46] Dustin had wanted to review in "a few days". I was thinking to ask him to review in two months. [17:46] go ahead [17:46] Ask Ubuntu is typically very dominating among the search results. [17:47] I agree, and have been experimenting trying to get the order different, but haven't figured it out. [17:47] I think it would be good, if it's possible, to show the "Official" items first. [17:47] ...using my CSEs, just for testing. [17:47] Ok, you already tried it. [17:48] Lets aks Dustin if he knows how to change the reporting order. I'll double check my tests first. [17:48] dsmythies: Good idea. [17:49] I agree that ideally we would like "Official" first. [17:50] The current state of the Google index does not include everything. It seems to take a few more weeks until everything is indexed under "stable". [17:50] (and we disabled 12.04, 14.04 etc.) [17:51] What about the including wiki review being pushed out to 2 months? I was also thinking to go on list and ask people to try it. [17:51] Yes, the full google database updates will take significant time. [17:51] What's "the including wiki review"? [17:52] Aha. Now I understand. :) [17:52] Sure, why not? [17:52] Dustin had wanted to review the includion of wiki.ubuntu.com after a few days. I was wanting longer. [17:52] As a side-effect we call people's attention to that rather nifty search tool. [17:53] Yes, exactly. I think people staopped using it because it basically didn't work. [17:53] Now, I think it is very useful. [17:54] I'm sure Dustin don't mind waiting. But let's ask him. [17:54] Yes, I think it's very useful too. Should be promoted somehow. [17:54] I do not know how to run IRC meetings, but... [17:55] Action: Doug to re-do CSE order of reporting tests, Then ask for help from Dustin. [17:55] Action: Doug ask Dustin for more time before review [17:55] That's excellent. :) [17:56] Action: ? go on-list and ask people to try search tool. [17:56] I can take that one. [17:56] O.K. moving on... [17:56] Summit? [17:57] Yes. I know nothing about it. [17:58] Not much to know, I think. The question I wanted to ask if we want to have our own session (as we use to have - "Documentation roundtable" or something) [17:59] I have no strong opinion. We again seem to lacking people helping. [17:59] Right. Let's pmatulis decide. [17:59] O.K. [18:00] Anything for Desktop? [18:00] Don't think so. Everything is prepared for vivid. So later on I'm going to post something to the list. [18:01] Btw, did you talk about the branch naming matter with pmatulis? [18:02] I would like to nail down whatever procedure for the mascot creature icon. Was hoping antdillon would take that one. [18:02] For Serverguide "trunk" series. pmatulis never replied. I'll ping again and then just do it. [18:03] I can't see why he would mind. [18:04] He is the serverguide driver, so I would like to get his buy-in first. (I wonder if he is away right now) [18:05] Don't know. [18:05] For help.ubuntu.com: I was going to use this just after release time to do some cleanup. There are files that are not needed and other odd things. [18:06] Also, I think I have somehow messed up the installation guide. [18:06] Ok. [18:07] What's the actual state of the installation guide? Is it reasonably up-to-date? [18:08] I don't really know. The thing is that nodoby maintains it. I thought I had found someone willing to take it on, but they bailed. [18:09] Then I think we should raise the question if we should keep publishing it. [18:09] my last merge proposal, which reflects what was published, is still sitting there. [18:10] The recommandation from both Jermey and Matt was to stop publishing it... [18:10] Who thought otherwise? [18:10] However, there are links from other docs (the serverguide) that would get broken. [18:11] Sure, I don't mean we should drop it just like that. [18:11] So, I have kept it. But the action could be to drop it and clean up the resulting dea links. [18:11] I looked at is breifly this last cycle, it might not be so hard. [18:11] Sounds like a good idea. [18:11] But OTOH... [18:12] Action: Doug to look into NOT publishing the installation guide in future, and posssibly retroactively to 14.04. [18:12] Documentation of how to install Ubuntu is very important. Currently I feel we don't have anything really good. [18:13] Note: the package would still exist, but we (the docteam) would be out of it. [18:13] Ok. [18:14] I agree, but simply don't know what to do. I have tried and tried to get someone to be the driver. [18:14] But wouldn't it be reasonable that we as a (long term) task tried to make something better? [18:14] Ok, the usual problem. :( [18:15] In any case, I agree with the action point. We shouldn't keep publishing something that nobody really maintains. [18:15] Also it was nver converted to the new theme. [18:16] Probably because Matt and Jeremy wanted to drop it... [18:16] Anything else? [18:17] Nope, don't think so. [18:17] O.K. then meeting over. [18:17] hmmm... I supoose this isn't going to log properly. [18:18] No, but I suppose it will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ at least? [18:19] Yes, pleia2 got this meeting room added to those web pages. [18:19] Confirmed. :) [18:20] O.K. Gunnar bye for now. [18:20] Bye Doug. We'll keep in touch.