[17:34] <dsmythies> I do not see pmatulis. I thought there was supposed to be a docs meeting now. ?
[17:34] <GunnarHj> Me too
[17:36] <GunnarHj> A reminder on the list would probably have been wise...
[17:37] <dsmythies> Is there anybody besides Gunnar and myself here for the doc team meeting?
[17:40] <dsmythies> GunnarHj - since you and I communicate reguarly via e-mail, and since nobody else is here, let's terminate the meeting.
[17:41] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: Maybe we could hold it you and me. At least we could clean up the meeting page a bit.
[17:41] <dsmythies> O.K.
[17:42] <dsmythies> license item. I am O.K. with. and I do not think it prevents me from having my debug mirror of help.ubuntu.com on my site
[17:42] <GunnarHj> No problem here either.
[17:43] <dsmythies> new nagivation for help.ubuntu.com seems stalled.
[17:43] <GunnarHj> Right.
[17:44] <GunnarHj> Suppose we can remove the .htaccess action item.
[17:44] <dsmythies> I am very happy with the current state of .htaccess and robots.txt and, finally the CSE. I think search results are actually useful now.
[17:44] <dsmythies> Thanks for your hardword on that
[17:45] <dsmythies> Thanks for your hard work on that
[17:45] <GunnarHj> Thank you. We did it together. :)
[17:46] <GunnarHj> There is one thing I thought about as regards the CSE:
[17:46] <dsmythies> Dustin had wanted to review in "a few days". I was thinking to ask him to review in two months.
[17:46] <dsmythies> go ahead
[17:46] <GunnarHj> Ask Ubuntu is typically very dominating among the search results.
[17:47] <dsmythies> I agree, and have been experimenting trying to get the order different, but haven't figured it out.
[17:47] <GunnarHj> I think it would be good, if it's possible, to show the "Official" items first.
[17:47] <dsmythies> ...using my CSEs, just for testing.
[17:47] <GunnarHj> Ok, you already tried it.
[17:48] <dsmythies> Lets aks Dustin if he knows how to change the reporting order. I'll double check my tests first.
[17:48] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: Good idea.
[17:49] <dsmythies> I agree that ideally we would like "Official" first.
[17:50] <GunnarHj> The current state of the Google index does not include everything. It seems to take a few more weeks until everything is indexed under "stable".
[17:50] <GunnarHj> (and we disabled 12.04, 14.04 etc.)
[17:51] <dsmythies> What about the including wiki review being pushed out to 2 months? I was also thinking to go on list and ask people to try it.
[17:51] <dsmythies> Yes, the full google database updates will take significant time.
[17:51] <GunnarHj> What's "the including wiki review"?
[17:52] <GunnarHj> Aha. Now I understand. :)
[17:52] <GunnarHj> Sure, why not?
[17:52] <dsmythies> Dustin had wanted to review the includion of wiki.ubuntu.com after a few days. I was wanting longer.
[17:52] <GunnarHj> As a side-effect we call people's attention to that rather nifty search tool.
[17:53] <dsmythies> Yes, exactly. I think people staopped using it because it basically didn't work.
[17:53] <dsmythies> Now, I think it is very useful.
[17:54] <GunnarHj> I'm sure Dustin don't mind waiting. But let's ask him.
[17:54] <GunnarHj> Yes, I think it's very useful too. Should be promoted somehow.
[17:54] <dsmythies> I do not know how to run IRC meetings, but...
[17:55] <dsmythies> Action: Doug to re-do CSE order of reporting tests, Then ask for help from Dustin.
[17:55] <dsmythies> Action: Doug ask Dustin for more time before review
[17:55] <GunnarHj> That's excellent. :)
[17:56] <dsmythies> Action: ? go on-list and ask people to try search tool.
[17:56] <GunnarHj> I can take that one.
[17:56] <dsmythies> O.K. moving on...
[17:56] <GunnarHj> Summit?
[17:57] <dsmythies> Yes. I know nothing about it.
[17:58] <GunnarHj> Not much to know, I think. The question I wanted to ask if we want to have our own session (as we use to have - "Documentation roundtable" or something)
[17:59] <dsmythies> I have no strong opinion. We again seem to lacking people helping.
[17:59] <GunnarHj> Right. Let's pmatulis decide.
[17:59] <dsmythies> O.K.
[18:00] <dsmythies> Anything for Desktop?
[18:00] <GunnarHj> Don't think so. Everything is prepared for vivid. So later on I'm going to post something to the list.
[18:01] <GunnarHj> Btw, did you talk about the branch naming matter with pmatulis?
[18:02] <dsmythies> I would like to nail down whatever procedure for the mascot creature icon. Was hoping antdillon would take that one.
[18:02] <dsmythies> For Serverguide "trunk" series. pmatulis never replied. I'll ping again and then just do it.
[18:03] <GunnarHj> I can't see why he would mind.
[18:04] <dsmythies> He is the serverguide driver, so I would like to get his buy-in first. (I wonder if he is away right now)
[18:05] <GunnarHj> Don't know.
[18:05] <dsmythies> For help.ubuntu.com: I was going to use this just after release time to do some cleanup. There are files that are not needed and other odd things.
[18:06] <dsmythies> Also, I think I have somehow messed up the installation guide.
[18:06] <GunnarHj> Ok.
[18:07] <GunnarHj> What's the actual state of the installation guide? Is it reasonably up-to-date?
[18:08] <dsmythies> I don't really know. The thing is that nodoby maintains it. I thought I had found someone willing to take it on, but they bailed.
[18:09] <GunnarHj> Then I think we should raise the question if we should keep publishing it.
[18:09] <dsmythies> my last merge proposal, which reflects what was published, is still sitting there.
[18:10] <dsmythies> The recommandation from both Jermey and Matt was to stop publishing it...
[18:10] <GunnarHj> Who thought otherwise?
[18:10] <dsmythies> However, there are links from other docs (the serverguide) that would get broken.
[18:11] <GunnarHj> Sure, I don't mean we should drop it just like that.
[18:11] <dsmythies> So, I have kept it. But the action could be to drop it and clean up the resulting dea links.
[18:11] <dsmythies> I looked at is breifly this last cycle, it might not be so hard.
[18:11] <GunnarHj> Sounds like a good idea.
[18:11] <GunnarHj> But OTOH...
[18:12] <dsmythies> Action: Doug to look into NOT publishing the installation guide in future, and posssibly retroactively to 14.04.
[18:12] <GunnarHj> Documentation of how to install Ubuntu is very important. Currently I feel we don't have anything really good.
[18:13] <dsmythies> Note: the package would still exist, but we (the docteam) would be out of it.
[18:13] <GunnarHj> Ok.
[18:14] <dsmythies> I agree, but simply don't know what to do. I have tried and tried to get someone to be the driver.
[18:14] <GunnarHj> But wouldn't it be reasonable that we as a (long term) task tried to make something better?
[18:14] <GunnarHj> Ok, the usual problem. :(
[18:15] <GunnarHj> In any case, I agree with the action point. We shouldn't keep publishing something that nobody really maintains.
[18:15] <dsmythies> Also it was nver converted to the new theme.
[18:16] <GunnarHj> Probably because Matt and Jeremy wanted to drop it...
[18:16] <dsmythies> Anything else?
[18:17] <GunnarHj> Nope, don't think so.
[18:17] <dsmythies> O.K. then meeting over.
[18:17] <dsmythies> hmmm... I supoose this isn't going to log properly.
[18:18] <GunnarHj> No, but I suppose it will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ at least?
[18:19] <dsmythies> Yes, pleia2 got this meeting room added to those web pages.
[18:19] <GunnarHj> Confirmed. :)
[18:20] <dsmythies> O.K. Gunnar bye for now.
[18:20] <GunnarHj> Bye Doug. We'll keep in touch.