[00:00] <saidinesh5> popey: http://paste.kde.org/pvh8w5ff4
[00:00] <saidinesh5> thats what i get when i tried to create a chroot using click on the device
[00:01] <popey> i already have one of that name.
[00:01] <popey> so i cant test that
[00:01] <popey> and i dont want to break mine
[00:02] <saidinesh5> oh
[00:02] <popey> dunno why it wont create for you
[00:02] <popey> sorry
[00:03] <saidinesh5> basically popey it failed when it ran the command
[00:03] <saidinesh5> Command '['debootstrap', '--arch', 'armhf', '--variant=buildd', '--components=main,restricted,universe,multiverse', 'utopic', '/var/lib/schroot/chroots/click-ubuntu-sdk-14.10-armhf', 'http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu']' returned non-zero exit status 1
[00:03] <popey> is that the command it uses from the sdk?
[00:03] <saidinesh5> so i went to that archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[00:03] <saidinesh5> and there are no armhfs packages there
[00:03] <saidinesh5> yes
[00:03] <popey> hang on, let me see
[00:04] <matv1> popey, as you are still around. It is the Grooveshark app thats causing it after all. I tried adding Dekko and no prob. who should i talk too?
[00:04] <popey> ahhh!
[00:05] <popey> grooveshark is a scope, not an app
[00:05] <matv1> sooory :D
[00:05] <popey> that is a differentiator
[00:05] <popey> so hmmm. let me test here too
[00:05] <matv1> so how does it fail and crash my U1 account?
[00:05] <popey> well i dunno yet ☻
[00:05] <matv1> my bad :)
[00:05] <popey> which one did you install?
[00:05] <popey> there's two
[00:06] <popey> the one from adnane or the one from grooveshark?
[00:06] <pngo_> Just want to let you know that today phone app has hanged on me three time. I was unable to cancel call and sometimes screens is white, nothing on it. I was able to fix it by rebooting.
[00:06] <matv1> the grooveshark from grooveshark
[00:06] <matv1> :)
[00:06] <popey> pngo_: ☹
[00:06] <popey> saidinesh5: with you in a second
[00:06] <saidinesh5> aye
[00:07] <matv1> popey so the new one
[00:07] <popey> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ click list | grep groove
[00:07] <popey> com.grooveshark.webapp  1.1
[00:07] <popey> well, it installed!
[00:07] <popey> so when you say "crashed u1" what do you mean?
[00:08] <popey> the UI crashes.
[00:08] <matv1> the scope fails to install and after that my registered online account for U1 hads gone
[00:08] <matv1> hope i am saying this all correctly
[00:08] <popey> ok, i dont see that issue here
[00:08] <popey> have you re-added your u1 account and tried again and it loses it again?
[00:09] <matv1> yep. i can repeat this every time
[00:09] <popey> doesnt happen here, sorry.
[00:09] <popey> and its not a grooveshark scope
[00:09] <popey> its an html5 app
[00:10]  * popey listens to some songs
[00:10]  * popey rocks out
[00:10] <matv1> popey are you sure you didnt install the grooveshark from adnane Belmadiaf?
[00:10] <popey> yes
[00:10] <matv1> hmm
[00:10] <popey> http://popey.mooo.com/screenshots/device-2014-11-04-001054.png
[00:11] <popey> screenshot
[00:11] <popey> sorry ☹
[00:11] <popey> reboot? ☻
[00:11] <popey> saidinesh5: so, does it fail to create from within qtcreator? what happens?
[00:11] <matv1> ype thats the one thats playing bad
[00:12] <saidinesh5> popey: no no.. i was trying to create a chroot environment in the nexus 7
[00:12] <saidinesh5> cuz i need to compile something
[00:12] <popey> ooooh
[00:12] <popey> that makes even less sense
[00:12] <saidinesh5> and if i install qt5-default inside tablet it breaks
[00:12] <popey> i remember now
[00:12] <saidinesh5> oh?
[00:12] <matv1> popey no didnt reboot yet. thought i might check if i should adb pull something first
[00:12] <matv1> matv1 is rebooting now anyways
[00:12] <popey> heh
[00:13] <popey> saidinesh5: well, why aren't you using a chroot on desktop?
[00:13] <saidinesh5> popey: i tried but it had some broken packages
[00:13] <saidinesh5> again couldnt install qt5
[00:13] <popey> are you running kde?
[00:14] <saidinesh5> yes
[00:14] <saidinesh5> how did you know?
[00:14] <popey> ugh, sorry.
[00:14] <popey> known issue
[00:14]  * saidinesh5 facepalms
[00:14] <popey> hmmm
[00:14] <saidinesh5> so basically i need to hack on a maliit plugin
[00:14] <saidinesh5> so it needs to be even installed in the right path so that utouch can use it
[00:14] <popey> ok. I would poke bzoltan_ and zbenjamin in the morning.
[00:15] <popey> where their morning is in about 6 hours
[00:15] <saidinesh5> Ahh
[00:15] <saidinesh5> sure
[00:15] <popey> maybe also poke mirv for funsies
[00:15] <saidinesh5> heh okay
[00:15] <popey> because they look after these packages
[00:15] <popey> and they are clearly broken somehow if they cant be installed on kubuntu
[00:15] <popey> i saw a mail about it last week.
[00:15] <saidinesh5> mhm i think i already reported the broken package issue to bzoltan_ yesterday night ..cant remember
[00:16] <popey> he was on vacation today i think... one mo, let me see if their calendars are up to date
[00:16] <saidinesh5> Ah
[00:16] <popey> sadly i cant tell
[00:16] <saidinesh5> hmm...
[00:16] <popey> but mirv should be around.
[00:16] <popey> I've added a to-do to catch up with them in the morning.
[00:16] <matv1> popey no better after a reboot
[00:16] <popey> pm me your email address
[00:16] <popey> matv1: gah, sucks
[00:17] <saidinesh5> right now i am trying to set up a chroot on the tablet manually
[00:17] <saidinesh5> oh
[00:17] <saidinesh5> using debootstrap
[00:17] <matv1> should i just file? talk 2 some one else or forget about grooveshark and be damned :) ?
[00:18] <popey> yeah, file a bug matv1 maybe on online-accounts
[00:18] <matv1> popey right will do
[00:18] <matv1> i might just hit the pillow before you yet haha
[00:18] <matv1> popey cheers later!
[00:19] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/+bugs
[00:19] <popey> saidinesh5: ok, made a note
[00:19] <saidinesh5> aye .. thanks :)
[00:19] <popey> thanks guys for your patience!
[00:19] <popey> night!
[00:20] <saidinesh5> niters popey
[00:22] <popey> saidinesh5: oh, btw, another giveaway that you use kubuntu - you use kde pasebint ㋛
[00:22] <saidinesh5> Ahh lol
[00:22] <popey> :D
[00:22] <saidinesh5> good one actually
[00:58] <saidinesh5> btw. nice piece of music https://soundcloud.com/keithkenniff/keith-kenniff-day-one?in=luschn/sets/smooth-music-for-programming
[04:58] <Mirv> saidinesh5: popey: maliit would be more Elleo
[04:58] <saidinesh5> mhm Mirv tried to figure it out with Elleo yesterday
[04:58] <saidinesh5> but it was more of a problem in the qtbase packages
[04:59] <saidinesh5> anyhow finally got a chroot set up on my tablet manually with debchroot
[05:00] <saidinesh5> apparently click wasn't meant to setup chroot on tablet
[06:34] <DaHopi> hello @ all, i want to try ubuntu touch on my galaxy s2. is it possible to create a custom image?
[07:22] <Avagetto> Hello. can I ask a question on the package ubuntu-desktop-next in this channel?
[08:08] <cm-t> Avagetto: I supose #ubuntu-unity is a better place
[08:12] <Avagetto> Well, thank you. I'm just trying to run ubuntu-desktop-next / ubuntu-touch on the arm device (rk3288 ).
[08:51] <GG_> hello guys
[08:52] <GG_> does anyone have ubuntu phone on their nexus 7?
[08:52] <popey> i do
[08:53] <AceLan> GG_: I do, too
[08:57] <matv1> mardi do you have a minute to look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/+bug/1389028
[08:58] <matv1> mardy or would you rather have me update the launchpad bug?
[08:59] <mardy> matv1: we can talk here, it's faster :-)
[08:59] <matv1> mardy sure
[08:59] <mardy> matv1: we can update the bug with a summary, later
[08:59] <mardy> matv1: so, is the account actually getting deleted?
[08:59] <matv1> what I meant to say was that the account gets removed right away
[09:00] <matv1> yes its gets deleted instantly
[09:00] <matv1> mardy thats whats weird about it.
[09:00] <matv1> mardy i  should mention that i had popey try and reproduce but he couldnt
[09:01] <mardy> matv1: I wonder, maybe the filesystem is corrupted...
[09:01] <mardy> matv1: can you please try this from a terminal (in the device, of via ssh):
[09:01] <mardy> export UOA_LOGGING_LEVEL=2
[09:01] <mardy> export UAO_DAEMON_TIMEOUT=9999
[09:02] <mardy> killall online-accounts-service
[09:02] <mardy> online-accounts-service >uoa.log 2>&1
[09:02] <mardy> matv1: and then paste the logs somewhere?
[09:05] <GG_> hello guys
[09:05] <GG_> anyone who can help?
[09:05] <popey> GG_: you haven't asked a question yet.
[09:06] <GG_> Im planing on installing ubuntu phone on my nexus 7
[09:06] <GG_> but heard that ubuntu has left help on nexus 7 (2012)
[09:06] <oSoMoN> ogra_, hey, when you have a moment, could you please comment on bug #1378184 ?
[09:06] <popey> GG_: correct, nexus 7 2012 is no longer a supported device
[09:07] <GG_> I was wondering what are the main bugs nexus 7 will have
[09:07] <GG_> like speaker problem or wifi maybe?
[09:07] <GG_> do you guys know any main bugs about nexus 7
[09:08] <ogra_> oSoMoN, oh, this needs to go on ollis list then
[09:09] <popey> GG_: its not supported
[09:09] <oSoMoN> ogra_, I don’t think that’s neither critical nor urgent, but we should keep it on the radar, maybe for an ota update
[09:10] <ogra_> oSoMoN, yeah, indeed
[09:10] <GG_> ok ty
[09:10] <oSoMoN> ogra_, can you confirm that adding the font package to the seed would be the right approach?
[09:11] <matv1> mardy sorry fr being a newb killall wont execute on the device nor over adb shell. what am i missing
[09:11] <mardy> matv1: nevermind, you can skip that step, probably
[09:12] <mardy> matv1: and I forgot to tell you the most important part: after typing those commands, please create an U1 account :-)
[09:12] <ogra_> oSoMoN, i would guess so, i guess someone needs to install it, switch to nepali and try
[09:13] <oSoMoN> ogra_, I did already, just wanted to confirm that this would be an acceptable way of fixing it
[09:13] <matv1> mardy I did guess that :)
[09:13] <ogra_> it definitely is
[09:13] <oSoMoN> cool, I’ll confirm the bug, and will ping olli about it
[09:13] <oSoMoN> ogra_, thanks
[09:13] <ogra_> thanks for researching it !
[09:14] <ogra_> its an absolutely risk-less change
[09:14] <ogra_> in case olli asks :)
[09:15] <oSoMoN> I’ll quote you on this :)
[09:24] <seb128> hum, so my krillin gives me "your location could not be determined" on googlemap webapp, in a consistant way since the week in Washington
[09:24] <seb128> the phone is online, with a working sim and gps on
[09:24] <seb128> what info would be useful debugging that/reporting a bug?
[09:25] <popey> seb128: is google maps the only app open that does location?
[09:25] <popey> there's a known bug that only one app can do location at once
[09:26] <seb128> popey, yes
[09:26] <seb128> that's a freshly updated/rebooted phone
[09:26] <seb128> I only used system settings
[09:26] <seb128> and now tried googlemap
[09:26] <seb128> well, could be that unity8-dash is using the location for a scope or something
[09:26]  * popey tries
[09:26] <seb128> how do I check?
[09:27] <popey> yeah, fails here too
[09:28] <popey> there's a handy "sensors status" app in the store, which shows if you really are getting satellite data
[09:29] <popey> mine is getting data, and i see the correct lat/long but gmaps still gets nothing
[09:29] <seb128> is here working?
[09:29] <seb128> it's giving me "can't find your position" as well
[09:30] <popey> seb128: tried it again and now it works
[09:30] <seb128> shrug
[09:30] <popey> i have a blue dot on my house
[09:30] <popey> are you near a window?
[09:31] <popey> here works too
[09:31] <seb128> no, and the sensors app show no data
[09:31] <seb128> I guess we don't do location based on other means
[09:31] <popey> it showed no data for me initially then i moved phone near window and it jumped to life
[09:31] <seb128> yeah
[09:32] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Use Your Common Sense Day! :-D
[09:33] <davidcalle> JamesTait, wishful thinking :)
[10:11] <cgi> hello guys, can i ask about ubuntu sdk problem here?
[10:11] <popey> cgi: you can but #ubuntu-app-devel might be better
[11:12] <vesar> Is there any way to get qml traces (console.log) from the phone?
[11:35] <nik90> vesar: yes, install the app the LogViewer to see the logs of any application. Or using the command line, the logs should be at /home/phablet/.cache/upstart
[11:55] <vesar> thanks nik90. Found the logs I was after from /home/phablet/.cache/upstart/unity8.log
[13:24] <ogra_> mdeslaur, hmm, did sudo change in vivid ? sudo -S doesnt seem to work anymore, it returns a password prompt even if i echo the password through a pipe
[13:24] <mdeslaur> ogra_: not AFAIK, it's the same version we've had since trusty
[13:25] <ogra_> ogra@anubis:~/Devel/branches/phablet-tools$ adb shell 'echo -n "0000" | sudo -S rm -rf /var/log/bootchart/*'
[13:25] <ogra_> [sudo] password for phablet:
[13:25] <ogra_> that should theoretically just quietlly operate
[13:26]  * mdeslaur tries in a vivid vm
[13:26] <mdeslaur> ogra_: what happens if you don't put the -n?
[13:27] <ogra_> same thing
[13:27] <ogra_> i also tried -Sn for sudo ... same issue
[13:27] <ogra_> well, complains even louder that way
[13:27] <ogra_> oh
[13:28] <ogra_> on rtm i see it proceed despite asking for the pw
[13:28] <ogra_> on vivid it hangs
[13:29] <ogra_> hmm
[13:29] <ogra_> ogra@styx:~/Devel/branches/livecd-rootfs$ adb shell "echo 0000|sudo -S touch /userdata/foo 2>/dev/null"
[13:29] <ogra_> ogra@styx:~/Devel/branches/livecd-rootfs$ adb shell "echo 0000|sudo -S ls /userdata/foo 2>/dev/null"
[13:29] <ogra_> /userdata/foo
[13:30] <ogra_> so that works
[13:30]  * ogra_ tries on vivid
[13:30] <mdeslaur> ogra_: what about adb shell 'echo -n "0000" | sudo -S "/usr/bin/whoami"
[13:31] <ogra_> ogra@anubis:~/Devel/branches/phablet-tools$ adb shell 'echo -n 0000 | sudo -S /usr/bin/whoami'
[13:31] <ogra_> [sudo] password for phablet:
[13:31] <ogra_> but
[13:31] <ogra_> ogra@anubis:~/Devel/branches/phablet-tools$ adb shell 'echo 0000 | sudo -S /usr/bin/whoami'
[13:31] <ogra_> [sudo] password for phablet: root
[13:31] <ogra_> ok
[13:31] <ogra_> ogra@anubis:~/Devel/branches/phablet-tools$ adb shell 'echo 0000 | sudo -S /usr/bin/whoami 2>/dev/null'
[13:31] <ogra_> root
[13:31] <ogra_> that works
[13:33] <ogra_> mdeslaur, sorry for the noise, seems it works fine, the prompt is new though ... it used to omit that
[13:33] <ogra_> but i can work around it in scripts
[13:33] <mdeslaur> ogra_: weird, not sure why that happens, sorry
[13:33] <ogra_> no worries, as long as it works :)
[13:34] <mdeslaur> how about adb shell 'echo -e "0000\n" | sudo -S /usr/bin/whoami'
[13:36] <ogra_> ogra@styx:~/Devel/branches/livecd-rootfs$ adb shell 'echo -e "0000\n" | sudo -S /usr/bin/whoami'
[13:36] <ogra_> [sudo] password for phablet: Sorry, try again.
[13:36] <ogra_> [sudo] password for phablet: Sorry, try again.
[13:36] <ogra_> [sudo] password for phablet:
[13:36] <ogra_> sudo: 2 incorrect password attempts
[13:36] <ogra_> not happy that way :)
[13:38] <mdeslaur> ogra_: I don't think you have the right password
[13:38] <ogra_> lol
[13:38] <ogra_> i surely do
[13:38] <ogra_> oh, wait
[13:38] <ogra_> i dont !
[13:38] <ogra_> ogra@styx:~/Devel/branches/livecd-rootfs$ adb shell 'echo -e "3563\n" | sudo -S /usr/bin/whoami'
[13:38] <ogra_> [sudo] password for phablet: root
[13:39] <mdeslaur> d'oh :)
[13:39] <ogra_> still returns the noise though
[13:39] <ogra_> i think -S should quieten the prompt
[13:40] <mdeslaur> I don't see the noise in a real vivid image
[13:40] <mdeslaur> s/image/vm/
[13:40] <ogra_> i do
[13:40] <ogra_> well, via adb at least
[13:40] <mdeslaur> I mean in an ubuntu desktop install
[13:40] <ogra_> right, probably an issue because adb doesnt use a proper tty setup
[13:41] <mdeslaur> ogra_: ok, put the -n back in the echo and remove the -e and the \n
[13:41] <ogra_> ogra@styx:~/Devel/branches/livecd-rootfs$ adb shell 'echo -n "3563" | sudo -S /usr/bin/whoami'
[13:41] <ogra_> [sudo] password for phablet:
[13:41] <ogra_> doesnt return the value
[13:42] <mdeslaur> wow, that is weird
[13:42] <ogra_> works the same with dropping -n though
[13:42] <ogra_> gra@styx:~/Devel/branches/livecd-rootfs$ adb shell 'echo "3563" | sudo -S /usr/bin/whoami'
[13:42] <ogra_> [sudo] password for phablet: root
[13:42] <mdeslaur> ogra_: oh, wait, you're not getting the prompt because you have a cached sudo ticket now
[13:43] <ogra_> i dont
[13:43] <ogra_> every adb shell call is a fresh login
[13:43] <ogra_> (wrapped in sudo -i phablet to make sure we process pam stuff
[13:43] <ogra_> )
[13:44] <mdeslaur> ogra_: perhaps sudo -p "" -S /usr/bin/whoami
[13:45] <ogra_> mdeslaur, !
[13:45] <ogra_> that works !!
[13:45] <ogra_> wow, weird
[13:45] <ogra_> but at least i dont have to throw away stderr
[13:45] <ogra_> thats good
[14:00] <brendand> barry, i've been testing the system-image silo (as you know)
[14:01] <barry> brendand: cool
[14:03] <brendand> barry, i couldn't get the phased updates test to pass though
[14:03] <brendand> barry, no matter what i set the phase to it always gave an upgrade path
[14:03] <barry> brendand: that's not good
[14:04] <brendand> barry, right now i'm testing another silo, but any ideas why that might be?
[14:04] <barry> brendand: did you tweak the base url to look at stgraber's staging server?
[14:04] <brendand> barry, yeah - but maybe i didn't restart something i should have?
[14:04] <brendand> barry, i didn't see the instructions ask me to
[14:04] <barry> brendand: shouldn't have to restart anything for just the s-i-cli
[14:05] <barry> brendand: any chance you could upload the /var/log/system-image/client.log file or pastebin the --dry-run -v output?
[14:05] <brendand> barry, i'll have another go in about an hour and upload those if it fails again
[14:05] <barry> brendand: cool
[14:12] <barry> brendand: i know why it's not working for you.  the server side index.json file must have been regen'd without the phased-percentage set.  take a look in a web browser, at least i don't see it.  we need to get stgraber to add the % back
[14:12]  * barry once again laments the lack of an actual staging server :(
[14:18] <tedg> kenvandine, A couple of weird appid's coming from content hub
[14:18] <tedg> kenvandine, https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/1e38e32e-63a3-11e4-91b2-fa163e75317b
[14:18] <tedg> kenvandine, https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/f47013b2-6408-11e4-8028-fa163e339c81
[14:18] <tedg> kenvandine, The second one is blank, which is odd.
[14:18] <brendand> barry, oooh
[14:19] <brendand> barry, that's most likely it then
[14:19] <brendand> barry, can you handle getting that fixed? then just ping me when it's ready to test again
[14:19] <barry> brendand: yep.  i don't know stgraber's schedule so not sure if he's around to fix it or not
[14:19] <kenvandine> tedg, so that means we tried to launch pkg_app_version ?
[14:19] <barry> brendand: but i'll let you know if/when i hear from him
[14:20] <kenvandine> tedg, oh... i see why :)
[14:20] <tedg> kenvandine, Yup, and UAL returned an error but also turned you into the authorities behind your back :-)
[14:20] <kenvandine> someone is trying out our examples in the source tree
[14:20] <tedg> Ah, okay.
[14:20] <kenvandine> without changing the source :)
[14:20] <kenvandine> that's in one of the qml examples
[14:20] <oSoMoN> rpadovani: hey, we were about to land https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/webbrowser-app/1351167/+merge/238155 when a packaging issue arose, I’ve commented in the MR to explain the problem, do you think you could take a look? if not I can do it myself, it should be fairly straightforward
[14:25] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, mmhh, this is sad, I'm on it
[14:33] <barry> brendand: phased percentage should be restored now
[14:43] <dpm> pitti, pmcgowan pinged me the other day re: the hindi langpack being on the image even though it's got very little translated. Do you know why it landed there? Is langpack-o-matic still doing calculations of the stats before a langpack is created and added to the image?
[14:43] <pitti> dpm: yes, it does
[14:43] <pitti>   hi    4006 (59%) discarded
[14:43] <pitti> hmm
[14:44] <pitti> dpm: I guess one one time it must have been on the 70% mark
[14:44] <pitti> dpm: but yes, it's out of date; I'll remove it from 14.09 and vivid, thanks for pointing out
[14:45] <ogra_> pitti, ah, do you care ?
[14:45]  * ogra_ was asked too
[14:45] <pitti> ogra_: care about what? langpack hygiene?
[14:45] <pitti> yeah, I guess so
[14:45] <dpm> pitti, not sure. In any case, there must be a package that is not phone specific that is making the stats look a bit too good. I.e. for the phone, it seems the stats are more like 4% coverage: http://projects.davidplanella.org/stats/utopic/hi
[14:46] <dpm> but yeah, I think it'd be good to remove it if it doesn't do the cut. Thanks!
[14:46] <pitti> dpm: yeah, it's also counting stuff which isn't on your list, like polkit and whatever else is on the image
[14:46] <ogra_> pitti, unseeding it
[14:46] <pitti> ogra_: ah, we seed language-pack-touch-*
[14:47] <pitti> easier to just remove the package, and better too as it doesn't get updated
[14:47] <ogra_> pitti, ah, you wipe it from the archive ?
[14:47] <ogra_> thats even better
[14:47] <pitti> ogra_: rtm and vivid, can't wipe it from utopic
[14:47] <ogra_> pitti, do we know the numbers for nepali ?
[14:48] <ogra_> there is bug #1378184
[14:48] <pitti> *flush*, gone
[14:48] <ogra_> and there is a discussion in another channel wether we should drop the langpack or add the font
[14:48] <oSoMoN> rpadovani: awesome, thanks! (and sorry about it, that’s very unfortunate indeed)
[14:48] <pitti> oSoMoN:   ne    1167 (17%) discarded
[14:48] <pitti> err, ogra_ ^
[14:49] <ogra_> ouch, can you drop that too then ?
[14:49] <pitti> on it
[14:49] <ogra_> oSoMoN, ^^^^
[14:49] <pmcgowan> ogra_, the link above says 2%
[14:49] <ogra_> so that doesnt look good for nepali
[14:49] <pitti> ogra_: err, do we actually have that?
[14:49] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, done! At the end, doesn't change a lot in number of lines of code
[14:49] <pitti> rmadison language-pack-touch-ne -> empty
[14:49] <pitti> ogra_: ^ nothing to drop
[14:49] <ogra_> cool
[14:50] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, but I didn't reverted it, I only sobsitutete RowLayout with Row
[14:50] <ogra_> oSoMoN, so i guess that bug is invalid til we have a working langpack
[14:51] <oSoMoN> ogra_, pitti: whether to include the langpack or not is independent imho, the bug is that browsing to pages in nepali doesn’t display the correct characters, and it’s perfectly valid to browse to a site in nepali while your locale is en-US or whatever else
[14:51] <mardy> mhall119: hi! Are you the one I should ping for bug 1376684? :-)
[14:51] <ogra_> oSoMoN, convince pmcgowan :)
[14:51] <pitti> oSoMoN: right
[14:51] <ogra_> he is the gatekeeper
[14:51] <ogra_> (or olli )
[14:51] <pmcgowan> thats a good point
[14:52] <ogra_> i tend to agree though
[14:52] <pmcgowan> so we want the fonts but not the lang pack
[14:52] <ogra_> yeah
[14:52] <pmcgowan> the bug is to fix a broken language setting
[14:52] <oSoMoN> yes
[14:52] <pmcgowan> I agree with that
[14:53] <dobey> ogra_: but who is the keymaster?
[14:53] <pmcgowan> ogra_, pitti  so lets remove hindi lang pack and add nepali fonts? hindi fonts?
[14:53] <ogra_> dobey, wasmt that zul ?
[14:53] <ogra_> pmcgowan, yeah
[14:54] <ogra_> dobey, or was that gosa ?
[14:54]  * ogra_ forgot ... 
[14:55] <pitti> pmcgowan: WFM; ttf-devanagari-fonts + ttf-indic-fonts-core (recommends) = ~ 1.8 MB
[14:55] <pitti> (compressed)
[14:55] <dobey> ogra_: it was rick moranis
[14:55] <ogra_> LOL
[14:55] <dobey> ogra_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSp5QwKRwqM
[14:55] <pmcgowan> pitti, do we have a good way to decide what fonts to include or not?
[14:55] <pitti> or 6.2 MB uncompressed
[14:55] <dobey> triskiii: don't spam people
[14:56] <pitti> pmcgowan: it's mostly gut feeling really; if we have customers/devices in India/Nepal/Kashmir etc., then we shoudl include them; otherwise they are quite large
[14:56] <kenvandine> and iirc the hindi translation is only 4%
[14:58] <ogra_> kenvandine, right, the langpacks are gone now
[14:58] <ogra_> but we need to seed the fonts still
[14:58] <ogra_> pitti, i think the question is if we have customers that use websites in these langs ... no matter where they live ;)
[14:59] <ogra_> for nepali we obviously at least have one
[14:59] <pitti> ogra_: right
[14:59] <ogra_> who filed the bug :)
[15:00] <oSoMoN> rpadovani: awesome, that looks perfect, I’ll see if I can land it now
[15:00] <mhall119> mardy: yes, is it in the -doc package in Utopic?
[15:01] <mardy> mhall119: qtdeclarative5-online-accounts-client-doc
[15:01] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, hooray! Thanks for your time on this branch!
[15:01] <oSoMoN> and thanks for yours :)
[15:02] <mardy> mhall119: does it take a lot of manual work to upload it? I'm asking because I'm considering improving the documentation a bit, so maybe it might not be a great idea to upload it right now
[15:05] <mhall119> mardy: no, it's scripted, I just have to manually kick it off
[15:06] <mardy> mhall119: that's cool!
[15:06] <mhall119> mardy: http://91.189.92.89/api/qml/sdk-14.10/Ubuntu.OnlineAccounts.Client/ is what currently gets imported
[15:06] <mardy> mhall119: yes, there's only the Setup element -- that's correct
[15:07] <mardy> mhall119: I plan to add a couple of separate pages describing the XML files which OA needs
[15:07] <mhall119> mardy: ok, I'll be able to push it to production whenever it's ready
[15:08] <oSoMoN> rpadovani: hang on just a sec, according to http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qml-qtquick-row.html it’s not valid to use anchors to anchor horizontally childs of a Row, instead you should probably set the spacing on the Row to units.gu(1) and the width of the column to parent.width - iconContainer.width - parent.spacing
[15:08] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, that's right
[15:09] <mhall119> mardy: is there a -doc package for the regular Ubuntu.OnlineAccounts APIs?
[15:09] <mardy> mhall119: there should be, let me find it
[15:10] <mardy> mhall119: accounts-qml-module-doc
[15:10] <mardy> mhall119: I should eventually rename it :-)
[15:10] <mhall119> thanks mardy
[15:11] <mardy> mhall119: thanks to you!
[15:12] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, done, sorry to waste your time with this stupid kind of errors
[15:12] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, kenvandine: I found a new bug in facebook app or content hub, dunno where I have to report it: if in a conversation on facebook I receive an image I can click on it, and there is a link to download it. When I click on the link, it opens the content-hub, it shows the gallery as usual, and when I click on it the content hub close itself, but nothing else happens - the file isn't downloaded and no error is raised
[15:14] <kenvandine> Elleo, ^^
[15:14] <kenvandine> there is some magic that happens with handing off to the download manager, etc
[15:14] <kenvandine> maybe something happens inside the container?
[15:14] <oSoMoN> looks like a bug indeed
[15:15] <oSoMoN> rpadovani: did you push your latest change? I’m not seeing it appear on the MR
[15:17] <Elleo> kenvandine, oSoMoN, rpadovani: we might want to check the permissions on the facebook app, might be that it doesn't have content_exchange_source set (which is needed for downloads)
[15:17] <kenvandine> ah
[15:17] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, pushed in this moment
[15:17] <kenvandine> look for denials in the log
[15:17] <rpadovani> kenvandine, I'm at uni and I don't have usb cable, I try to use terminal on the phone :D
[15:18] <rpadovani> kenvandine, which file I have to check?
[15:18] <kenvandine> grep DENI /var/log/syslog
[15:18] <kenvandine> rpadovani, or... check the click package to see if it has content_exchange_source policy
[15:20] <rpadovani> kenvandine, apparmor="DENIED" operation "dbus_method_call" and a lot of path about facebook
[15:25] <kenvandine> rpadovani, i confirmed webapp-facebook has content_exchange but not content_exchange_source
[15:26] <kenvandine> rpadovani, so that needs to be added for downloads to work
[15:26] <rpadovani> kenvandine, cool, thanks. Where is the source of webapps? I'm not able to find it
[15:26] <kenvandine> webapps-core
[15:26] <kenvandine> is the LP project
[15:27] <rpadovani> kenvandine, aha! Thanks!
[15:27] <kenvandine> np
[15:27] <kenvandine> rpadovani, and don't forget feedback on my API changes :)
[15:28] <rpadovani> kenvandine, for sure, I'm a bit busy these days, I have to recover 2 weeks of uni lessons :P
[15:28] <kenvandine> no worries :)
[15:34] <Wellark> infinity: hi! could you add me as a member to this team so that I can handle the nominations of my own upstream components (i-network, connectivity-api, unity-action-api) for 14.04, 14.10 and in the future for 15.04 and also as that team is the driver of ubuntu-rtm project I need the membership to be able to manage the "14.09", "ota1" and "ota2" series on that side?
[15:35] <Wellark> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release-nominators
[15:37] <Wellark> or the other option is that we need a new team as a Driver for ubuntu-rtm project and somebody handles the targetings for ubuntu series for me
[15:46] <infinity> Wellark: The third option is that you get upload rights for your projects in the distro. ;)
[15:47] <infinity> Wellark: But I can add you to release-nominators for now, if you promise you won't touch any bugs for anything other than your upstream projects.
[15:47] <Wellark> infinity: I promise.
[15:48] <Wellark> infinity: + Canonical Platform QA Team is already part of the release-nominators
[15:48] <infinity> Wellark: What's your LP ID?
[15:48] <Wellark> infinity: kaijanmaki
[15:49] <infinity> Wellark: Done.
[15:50] <Wellark> infinity: thanks! <3
[16:07] <Wellark> infinity: one more thing :)
[16:07] <Wellark> as ubuntu-rtm project obviously was just a 1:1 copy as far as setup goes from ubuntu project
[16:07] <Wellark> could you add couple of series to it?
[16:07] <Wellark> now the only series there is 14.09
[16:08] <Wellark> which is our current development target and will be released as "rtm"
[16:08] <Wellark> now, we already do have bugs we want to target to either "ota1" or "ota2" series after 14.09
[16:08] <Wellark> so could you please add the "ota1" and "ota2" series to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/
[16:08] <Wellark> and set them as "Future"
[16:09] <Wellark> or I can do it if you add me to the Ubuntu Release Team on the same go ;)
[16:10] <infinity> Wellark: Err, it's a lot more involved than just "creating a new series".
[16:11] <infinity> Wellark: Also, ota1 and ota2, AFAIU, are not meant to be new series, just new milestones for 14.09
[16:11] <infinity> Wellark: Also, re: adding you to the Ubuntu Release Team: Ha ha ha. :P
[16:12] <infinity> Wellark: I can absolutely add ota1 and ota2 milestones if your goal is bug targetting.
[16:13] <infinity> Wellark: If you're expecting to be able to fork and upload different packages, I feel that we've very poorly communicated how those updates are going to work.
[16:14] <Wellark> infinity: well, I see no other way this to work unless 14.09, ota1 and ota2 are all series
[16:14] <Wellark> as once we start work on ota1
[16:14] <Wellark> we still have shipping rtm images
[16:14] <Wellark> and we might need to do actual critical fixes to rtm series before ota1 is ready
[16:15] <Wellark> if someone else has better solution, then I'm all ears
[16:15] <infinity> Wellark: A pretty good argument for not shipping garbage in your stable series? :)
[16:15] <Wellark> infinity: well, something might only manifest itself once we have shipped and the user base expands
[16:16] <infinity> Wellark: Infinitely forking is not a sustainable release model.  We don't employ enough people to even pretend that will work.
[16:16] <dobey> Wellark: if we need to ship an update to rtm before ota1 is read, then ota1 is moved, because the only way to ship an update is to ship an ota :)
[16:16] <infinity> Wellark: Also, what dobey said. :P
[16:16] <dobey> Wellark: further divergence only moves us further away from convergence, too
[16:17] <Wellark> well, I'm fine with ota1 and ota2 being a milestone as well
[16:17] <dobey> if you want to fix stuff for ota1 or ota2, before we can land it in rtm, then the way to do that is to fix it in vivid, and then we later pull those changes into rtm, once we can pull ota1 target fixes to rtm
[16:17] <infinity> Wellark: If an emergency update needs doing, you stabilise 14.09, call it ota-1, and ship it.  In theory, it should be perpetually stable, as new feature development is meant to be landing to vivid and to 14.10, 14.09 should be nothing but bugfixes.
[16:18] <infinity> Anyhow, I'll give you ota-1 and ota-2 milestones.  And I need to head to bed.
[16:18] <dobey> well i hope new features aren't landing to 14.10 at this point
[16:18] <infinity> dobey: "14.10" in the ubuntu-rtm distro, not utopic.
[16:18] <dobey> at least, if they are, i want to use your time machine too. there is a "task" i must complete ;)
[16:18] <infinity> dobey: Unfortunately confusing, I know.
[16:18] <Wellark> infinity: thanks! that will get me going
[16:18] <dobey> infinity: i'd think we would need to call it 14.11 at least, at this point, no? :)
[16:19] <infinity> Wellark: Done.
[16:19] <dobey> if not, someone really screwed up the DST this time around
[16:19] <infinity> dobey: It's a straight fork of utopic (or, will be), with phone divergence on top.
[16:19] <infinity> dobey: So, 14.10 is probably the right name, but also, who really cares?  We could call it george.
[16:22] <Wellark> infinity: one more. sorry. :)  now that the ota1 and ota2 are milestones, then we would need rtm milestone (stable development) as well for everything that is planned to be fixed in the next couple of weeks, so we can easily list and see if any of the ubuntu-rtm bugs _don't_ have a milestone set
[16:24] <infinity> Wellark: Any preference on a name?
[16:24] <dobey> somehow an "rtm" milestone on the "rtm" distro seems a bit weird to me
[16:24] <infinity> Oh, bleh.  milestones aren't unique in a series.
[16:24] <infinity> Gross.
[16:24] <infinity> Wellark: I'm going to delete those and rename them.  Sec.
[16:24] <dobey> and creating milestones is mildly useless at this point, as we are using tags for that
[16:24] <dobey> by we, i mean pro{duct,ject} mgmt
[16:25] <infinity> Or, maybe I won't delete them, cause someone's already targetted stuff to them.
[16:25] <Wellark> infinity: oh?
[16:25] <Wellark> someone was fast
[16:25] <dobey> and thus we lesser beings are forced to use tags for that
[16:25] <infinity> Or not.  Hrm.  I wonder why LP exploded when I tried to delete them.
[16:25] <dobey> it just does that sometimes
[16:26] <Wellark> infinity: "rtm" as the first milestone makes sense as it's "release to manufacturers"
[16:26] <infinity> It really doesn't do this.
[16:26] <Wellark> then followed by "ota1"
[16:26] <infinity> Wellark: Well, except not.
[16:26] <Wellark> and "ota2"
[16:26] <infinity> Wellark: Like I said, these aren't unique per series, they're per distro.
[16:26] <infinity> Wellark: Hence why I should delete these and rename them to 14.09-ota-1 and such.
[16:27] <Wellark> infinity: ack. makes sense
[16:27] <infinity> Or, just use tags, like you're apparently already doing? :)
[16:27] <Wellark> well, i can't set tag in the Milestone field of a bug, so..
[16:27] <dobey> you can just rename them without deleting i think
[16:27] <dobey> but yeah, also, you should use tags
[16:27] <Wellark> yes, I will use tags also
[16:27] <dobey> Wellark: no, just ignore the milestone field and set the tags
[16:27] <Wellark> this is in addition
[16:28] <dobey> if you try to use milestones you're just going to confuse other people, and PM, and it will cause problems
[16:28] <dobey> because some people will start setting milestones and not adding tags, etc
[16:29] <infinity> To be fair, milestones are the saner way of doing this sort of thing.
[16:29] <Wellark> well, these things exist in LP for a reason
[16:29] <dobey> oh yes, i totally agree with that
[16:29] <Wellark> the tags confuse people
[16:29] <Wellark> and people don't always anyway remember to set them
[16:29] <dobey> they don't set milestones either
[16:30] <infinity> Wellark: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/14.09 <-- You have 3 milestones.
[16:30] <Wellark> but with milestones I can at least get a list of all of the bugs in my projects that do not have a milestone set
[16:30] <infinity> And I'm going to stay out of the politics of how you guys decide to handle your bugs.
[16:30] <dobey> milestones are also a bit of a pain to use here, because everything in the image, isn't necessarily in the distro
[16:30] <infinity> Wellark: You can do searches on tags too, it's just a bit uglier.
[16:30] <Wellark> + ubuntu-rtm project  is  anyway disrecard by this spearsheet tracking anyway
[16:30] <dobey> and managing milestones across multiple projects, and a distro, and distro series, is a pain
[16:31] <Wellark> I was the first one to actually start to use the project when it was created
[16:31] <dobey> ubuntu-rtm isn't a project, it's a distro
[16:31] <Wellark> I use it for having a clear picture of what has landed to where
[16:31] <dobey> which perhaps adds to the confusion of course :)
[16:31] <infinity> dobey: Wait, what's on the image that isn't in the distro?
[16:31] <infinity> dobey: Except for the sketchy tarballs.
[16:31] <dobey> infinity: all the click packages
[16:32] <infinity> Right, that needs fixing some day.  Not today, though. :/
[16:32] <Wellark> "has this bug been fixed in $foo? let me check.. fix released in 14.09, not released in utopic, released in 15.04"
[16:32] <Wellark> and 6 months forward
[16:32] <infinity> Aaaanyway.
[16:33] <dobey> yeah, it's a bit of a mess :)
[16:33] <infinity> Enjoy using (or not) your milestones and/or arguing about it a bit and then using tags, or whatever.  I need sleep about 10 hours ago.
[16:33] <Wellark> we have 14.04, 14.10, 15.04 as stable releases, 15.10 as development series + whatever we do with ubuntu-rtm
[16:33] <dobey> organized disarray
[16:33] <Wellark> yep
[16:33] <Wellark> infinity: thanks for the work
[16:33] <Wellark> infinity: get some rest / sleep!
[16:34] <dobey> infinity: go have some cupcakes and vodka, or cupcake flavored vodka, and sleep
[16:35] <dobey>  2516 phablet   20   0  101568  13732   9676 S  99.8  0.7 225:21.33 media-hub-+
[16:35] <dobey> well, that's not very nice :(
[16:38] <ogra_> dobey, thats a feature :)
[16:38] <ogra_> draining your battery faster
[16:39] <ogra_> ( tvoss is working on it, if you got any data to collect, give it to him)
[16:40] <dobey> no data really. i have no music or videos on my phone. i just picked it up and noticed it was incredibly hot and battery was already down to 39% after only about 3 hours of being off the charger
[16:40] <dobey> so i opened a shell and saw that was happening
[16:42] <ogra_> yeah, nearly everyone sees it lately
[17:02] <brendand> barry, what's the phase on that image?
[17:02] <barry> brendand: 39%
[17:04] <brendand> barry, if i use --dry-run and get an upgrade path, will subsequent calls say that i'm up-to-date?
[17:04] <barry> brendand: no, because no upgrade was applied
[17:05] <brendand> barry, oh wait - i got it
[17:05] <brendand> barry, well everything looks pretty good
[17:05] <brendand> barry, it can land soon
[17:06] <barry> brendand: thanks! are you going to flip the qa signoff bit?
[17:06] <brendand> barry, yep - i do that :)
[17:07] <barry> brendand: \o/
[17:27] <ogra_> cyphermox, hmm, so i even tried starting mtp-server  on started unity8-dash (which is a lot later than unity8 itself) ... i get a lot less error msgs but they are still there
[17:27] <ogra_> mterry, do you have an idea why the greeter service only comes up really late after unity8 on boot (on dbus that is)
[17:27] <cyphermox> ogra_: got a fix
[17:27] <ogra_> oh, cool
[17:28] <ogra_> i'm still curious why that service isnt there right from the start though
[17:28] <mterry> ogra_, we wait until qml is settled, so that it can handle incoming requests on the DBus service
[17:28] <ogra_> ah
[17:29] <cyphermox> ogra_: https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/mtp/fix-1389223/+merge/240585
[17:30] <ogra_> cyphermox, hmm, i think you could even use the upstart-dbus-bridge without having to use a pre-start script
[17:30] <ogra_> but i guess as long as it works, it works :)
[17:31] <cyphermox> ah, that's new-ish then
[17:32] <cyphermox> whatever, the right fix is for unitygreeter to be available earlier
[17:58] <gcollura> how can I reset unity8 configuration without wiping everything?
[17:59] <gcollura> because my scopes (all of them, even the app scope) are not loading
[18:24] <daker> gcollura: open terminal : restart unity-dash
[18:28] <gcollura> daker, restart: Unknown job: unity-dash
[18:35] <ogra_> gcollura, unity8-dash
[18:48] <daker> gcollura: as ogra_ said unity8, does it work ?
[18:51] <gcollura> daker, with unity8 the command does work, but I can only get to the Scopes loading screen (with the spinning circle). the logs from ~/.cache/upstart/scope-registry.log are here http://paste.ubuntu.com/8823052/
[18:51] <gcollura> thanks ogra_ :)
[19:02] <mhall119> chrisccoulson: are you involved in the Ozide/Ubuntu.Web component work? I'd like to know if I can get the long-press options that the browser has (copy/paste/save image) on the embeded component in my app
[19:43] <kenvandine> renatu, syncevolution takes much longer to build than i would have expected :)
[19:46] <chrisc> i wonder if a "apt-get dist-upgrade" will work to switch from utopic to vivid after Thursday? I'm running "devel" ...
[19:47] <chrisc> and would rather not flash a new image as I have some essential packages such as screen installed and woudl rather not have to reinstall everything...
[19:59] <mardy> mhall119: is it possible to specify a custom page as index, in developer.ubuntu.com? Some modules (like QtQuick) do have a nice introductory page, while now all what one sees is just a long list of pages
[20:10] <mhall119> mardy: not currently, no
[20:12] <renatu> kenvandine, hi, are you trying to build the new version?
[20:12] <kenvandine> renatu, yeah
[20:12] <kenvandine> had to bump libsynthesis too
[20:13] <kenvandine> renatu, i'll stick it in a ppa for you to kick a bit before uploading to vivid
[20:18] <renatu> kenvandine, nice thanks
[21:03] <Z3> Hi, is Ubuntu Touch RTM stable (like Android) on a Nexus 4?
[21:05] <Z3> stable to use it as a primary phone, not only for testing
[21:07] <ogra_> there are still bugs, but yes it is stable
[21:09] <Z3> ogra_ ok, thank you. Is there some date for the "final" release?
[21:10] <ogra_> nope, once you can buy the preinstalled phones it will be ready :)
[21:11] <Z3> ogra_ ok, thank you ! :)
[21:11] <ogra_> if oyu install, use the rtm channel ... that is the one getting the most QA testing
[21:12] <Z3> ogra_ ok ! :)
[21:15] <dobey> well, hopefully there won't be a "final" release
[21:15] <dobey> :)
[21:15] <kenvandine> roll baby roll!
[21:16] <dobey> there'll be the first phone, some updates for it, then another phone, then some updates for it and the original phone both, and then more development, and more phones, hopefully
[21:16] <dobey> and tablets, and convergence, and oh my
[22:31] <ogra_> pitti, seems the dropping of the langpack causes issues on vivid ...