| slickymaster | btw knome, re https://screenshots.debian.net/, I was thinking in using the same screenshot standardization we use for all the xfce4 related documentation | 00:16 |
|---|---|---|
| knome | sounds good | 00:17 |
| slickymaster | the standard we use is here if you want to check it -> http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=playground:sceenshot-stds | 00:17 |
| slickymaster | ok | 00:17 |
| Unit193 | Today's report from me: http://paste.openstack.org/show/EJHLelJVbldtkzt38JH0 | 00:20 |
| slickymaster | Unit193 did you ever get to try to fix with the translations credits issue? | 00:22 |
| slickymaster | s/fix with/fix | 00:22 |
| Unit193 | Not really, either going to have to find someone that might know what's up, or revert that and just keep it for the website build. | 00:23 |
| slickymaster | that would be the sane approach | 00:24 |
| slickymaster | I mean if we don't manage to get it working, it makes no sense to have it in the documentation | 00:25 |
| Unit193 | It works, just not in the package build. :D | 00:25 |
| slickymaster | well, we still have a lot of time before dropping it | 00:25 |
| knome | i'd say we still have a lot of time to fix it :P | 00:27 |
| slickymaster | we'll assess it near documentation freeze | 00:27 |
| slickymaster | of course this is if it's not fixed by then | 00:28 |
| Unit193 | But, someone would be needed to fix it first, before it's fixed. It currently works, and the build-depends pull in gettext and everything seemingly important, heck I even dropped in 'locales', but no luck... | 00:31 |
| Unit193 | Thus, poke of the Sean happened, since lead dev and all. :P | 00:31 |
| slickymaster | bluesabre, as soon as you have a moment to spare can you please take a look at ^^^ | 00:42 |
| Unit193 | :P | 00:42 |
| bluesabre | hey slickymaster | 01:02 |
| slickymaster | hey bluesabre | 01:03 |
| bluesabre | whats up? | 01:03 |
| slickymaster | it's about the translation credits in the documentation | 01:04 |
| bluesabre | ah, Unit193: you couldn't fix them? | 01:04 |
| slickymaster | yeaps, that's about it | 01:04 |
| Unit193 | Still don't know what's missing. | 01:04 |
| bluesabre | :( | 01:04 |
| slickymaster | as soon as humanly possible can you take a look at it bluesabre? | 01:05 |
| slickymaster | pretty please, with sugar on top | 01:05 |
| bluesabre | yeah, will take a look tonight | 01:05 |
| bluesabre | so, where does it fail? | 01:05 |
| slickymaster | Unit193 would be the one to enlighten on that | 01:06 |
| knome | ok, i'm so ready to bed; looked at the last line, and the "enlighten" word looked like some RTL (arabic?) language | 01:10 |
| knome | nighty, and talk to you all later | 01:10 |
| Unit193 | Ahaha, g'night. :) | 01:10 |
| knome | bluesabre, and thanks for the compliments | 01:11 |
| knome | --> | 01:11 |
| slickymaster | nighty | 01:11 |
| bluesabre | ?? | 01:11 |
| Unit193 | And I suppose I should respond, scripts/translators.sh: The TEXTDOMAINDIR=$CURDIR/mo/ LANGUAGE=$lang stuff doesn't appear to work, but then I haven't run it with echo everywhere either. | 01:14 |
| bluesabre | patched thunar for utopic in the -staging ppa | 02:44 |
| elfy | ochosi: so today it was obviously xfsettingsd crash, not sure why restarting xfsettingsd works for everything but xchat | 07:19 |
| ochosi | elfy: not sure tbh | 08:54 |
| ochosi | haven't used xchat in a while | 08:54 |
| ochosi | wild guess: it's relying on some ancient gtk3 routines which meant that a programme had to be restarted in order for theme-changes to take effect | 08:55 |
| ochosi | (rather speculative though, because i'd assume that it'd be fixed in gtk3 for all gtk3 apps at once, but you know, xchat is rather unmaintained) | 08:55 |
| bluesabre | elfy: there is a good possibility the code sets the theme on its own, or somehow blocks its event. I know an event is triggered when icon themes change | 10:46 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: was it traffic-light that you wanted me to take a look at? | 10:48 |
| ochosi | yup | 10:48 |
| bluesabre | eh, not really a fan of those colors at least | 10:50 |
| bluesabre | I think I prefer the way numix uses the selection color there | 10:51 |
| ochosi | you'd prefer violet for closing, turquoise for minimizing and pink for maximizing? :) | 10:51 |
| ochosi | iirc i did the same thing for numix that i did for greybird | 10:52 |
| ochosi | picking up the theme colors | 10:52 |
| ochosi | (although i don't remember now whether i ended up implementing that for greybird after all) | 10:52 |
| bluesabre | current greybird is just grey, numix is blue since I am still using greybird as the gtk theme | 10:53 |
| ochosi | yeah, blue would be possible, but since everything is already so blue... | 10:54 |
| ochosi | either we give the colors a meaning or we stick with what we got, is my general stance | 10:54 |
| bluesabre | yeah, I'd learn towards keeping the grey | 10:55 |
| bluesabre | *lean | 10:55 |
| ochosi | btw, seems like the evince visual corruption doesn't occur in unity, but an upcoming gtk3-backport-fix for utopic might fix it | 10:57 |
| ochosi | also, i asked robert about not using headerbars in simplescan for xubuntu | 10:57 |
| ochosi | and he said he'll patch that in | 10:57 |
| ochosi | (already linked to bugs blueprint) | 10:57 |
| bluesabre | ah | 10:58 |
| bluesabre | I wasn't complaining there... they actually aren't so bad | 10:59 |
| bluesabre | They're not quite as great as they are mentioned in OMGUbuntu "HeaderBars unify the window bar, title bar and toolbar into one, saving a huge amount of wasted vertical and horizontal space in the process." | 11:00 |
| bluesabre | but they're not inherently bad, xfce does well with them | 11:01 |
| ochosi | yeah | 11:15 |
| ochosi | i know, but in terms of consistency it's probably better this way | 11:16 |
| ochosi | i'd rather switch to headerbars across our gtk3 apps, evince, file-roller, calc etc than having one app standing out | 11:16 |
| ochosi | we can consider this until the next LTS or even test it for one release if you guys are up for it | 11:16 |
| bluesabre | is it because of the patching that file-roller has consistently had two menubars for a while? | 11:18 |
| ochosi | i guess so | 11:19 |
| * bluesabre hopes for a fully functional squeeze release in the near future :) | 11:20 | |
| ochosi | you're an optimist :) | 11:21 |
| ochosi | gah, really, that is a bit annoying. some folks complaining that music playback at the lockscreen is a potential loss of privacy... | 11:22 |
| ochosi | why can't those people simply hit the pause button then, i wonder | 11:22 |
| bluesabre | in xubuntu? | 11:23 |
| ochosi | it | 11:24 |
| ochosi | it's an issue submitted against light-locker | 11:24 |
| bluesabre | thats dump | 11:24 |
| bluesabre | dumb too | 11:24 |
| knome | lol | 11:24 |
| knome | you can always argue that leaving your pc (eg. not carrying it with you at all times) is a potential loss off privacy | 11:25 |
| knome | somebody might see your pc! | 11:25 |
| knome | zomg! | 11:25 |
| ochosi | :) | 11:30 |
| elfy | ochosi: well - used hexchat since it crashed and all's appearing to be well | 12:20 |
| elfy | so - mark that one of as an SEP :) | 12:20 |
| ochosi | elfy: SEP? | 14:39 |
| elfy | someone else's problem :) | 14:39 |
| elfy | Unit193: just checking that core(s) are still working | 14:40 |
| ochosi | ah hehe | 14:41 |
| elfy | I knew xchat was unmaintained - just wanted to make sure it wasn't *us* | 14:42 |
| ochosi | :) | 14:42 |
| elfy | especially if I'm using staging *things* | 14:42 |
| ochosi | yeah, actually it really isn't our problem, unless we decide to go back to it | 14:42 |
| ochosi | so far i haven't heard a single peep about xchat missing | 14:43 |
| elfy | and hexchat doesn't do the same - so even if people do ask - point them at the maintained one | 14:43 |
| ochosi | although people seem to be incredibly slow at picking those sort of changes up (see today's sudden arousal wrt synaptic) | 14:43 |
| elfy | ochosi: well - that could be 1 or 2 things - people gave up and installed some other OS or just given up commenting :D | 14:44 |
| elfy | unlike me ;) | 14:44 |
| elfy | yea - the synaptic one made me lol a bit, not getting involved in that one - I install synaptic :p | 14:44 |
| ochosi | sure, me too :) | 14:45 |
| ochosi | but: xubuntu != ochosi's software selection | 14:45 |
| elfy | nope :) | 14:45 |
| ochosi | same goes for every other individual in our team | 14:45 |
| elfy | of course | 14:45 |
| ochosi | btw, if/when you need help with the incentives programme, lemme know | 14:46 |
| ochosi | i kinda hope you can sort it out with p and k | 14:46 |
| ochosi | but yeah, i'm around, is what i'm sayin | 14:47 |
| Unit193 | Also I install it, but use the other one. :P | 14:47 |
| elfy | well - we really just need to get it finalised tbh and then onto x.org then *we* can mention it elsewhere | 14:47 |
| ochosi | could you link me to your QA processes pad again that you wanted me to review? | 14:47 |
| elfy | ochosi: ack | 14:47 |
| ochosi | Unit193: you're weird, but we like you :p | 14:47 |
| Unit193 | other = apt/apt-get/apt-cache! | 14:48 |
| elfy | ochosi: http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-qa-v-cycle | 14:48 |
| ochosi | thanks elfy | 14:48 |
| elfy | ochosi: and re incentive thing - once we start - your the final "Yep" for whoever gets it | 14:48 |
| elfy | ochosi: it's at the bottom of the pad | 14:49 |
| ochosi | heh, actually sticking to the freeze schedule sounds like a good idea (still kinda amuses me every time i read it) | 14:51 |
| elfy | he he | 14:51 |
| ochosi | elfy: quick question... | 14:59 |
| ochosi | when bugs are reported from iso-testing, where/how do we collect/review them? | 14:59 |
| ochosi | and when would we link them to our bug-blueprint? | 14:59 |
| ochosi | i'm wondering whether it's a good idea to point people to that blueprint, as they might start to add their favorite bugreport there | 15:00 |
| ochosi | but then again, we might have to try to pick up the new bugreports by hand and take them there | 15:00 |
| elfy | well ... | 15:02 |
| elfy | I check what's reported on both trackers - weed out the ones which are either not us, should be testcase, then see if I can reproduce | 15:02 |
| elfy | if I can't I'll see if the same thing shows up again | 15:03 |
| elfy | if it doesn't I'll ignore it | 15:03 |
| elfy | if I CAN reproduce it I'll talk about it in here with whoever | 15:03 |
| ochosi | ok, that sounds great actually | 15:03 |
| elfy | and then it might get onto the bug blueprint | 15:04 |
| ochosi | i've finished reading the document now, +1 from my side | 15:04 |
| elfy | ochosi: up to a point yea it is as we don't see the "the installer dialogue is too big" things in here :) | 15:04 |
| elfy | and if I miss a few days - trying to get history from the tracker is seriously bad news ;) | 15:05 |
| elfy | thanks :) | 15:05 |
| ochosi | thank you for drafting it! | 15:06 |
| elfy | welcome | 15:06 |
| elfy | just so long as it is understood I'll ignore it :p | 15:07 |
| ochosi | just so long as it is ignored I'll understand it | 15:07 |
| * ochosi is confused | 15:07 | |
| elfy | I can go with either :) | 15:08 |
| ochosi | :) | 15:08 |
| knome | slickymasterWork, in "managing-applications.xml", we might want to further notice that setting the notifications for new releases to "never" is never recommended. maybe with a warning box | 15:23 |
| knome | slickymasterWork, and we might want to point to the migrating section there | 15:23 |
| knome | slickymasterWork, and potentially drop the "other options" subsection, that seems unnecessary since the user can obviously see those in the GUI themself; or alternatively, extend that subsection a bit | 15:24 |
| * sidi pats knome on the head | 15:40 | |
| slickymasterWork | ok, knome | 15:53 |
| slickymasterWork | I'll take a look at it tonight | 15:53 |
| elfy | bah | 16:06 |
| elfy | booted 14.10 to verify that thunar SRU and it wasn't available yet :( | 16:07 |
| elfy | hi eric_the_idiot | 16:07 |
| eric_the_idiot | hi | 16:07 |
| slickymasterWork | we eric_the_idiot | 16:08 |
| slickymasterWork | damn auto-complete | 16:08 |
| slickymasterWork | wb elfy | 16:08 |
| slickymasterWork | and eric_the_idiot (for that matter) | 16:09 |
| elfy | heh | 16:09 |
| eric_the_idiot | hah | 16:09 |
| eric_the_idiot | and hi as well :) | 16:09 |
| elfy | well I hope that's wb eric and not damn eric :p | 16:09 |
| knome | sidi, silly steve | 16:10 |
| slickymasterWork | and silly elfy also | 16:10 |
| slickymasterWork | :P | 16:10 |
| elfy | :) | 16:10 |
| sidi | silly is good. | 16:12 |
| elfy | yay for that :) | 16:13 |
| Unit193 | Because we all are... | 16:18 |
| elfy | hhe | 16:20 |
| elfy | Unit193: so 64bit core installed ok in vivid | 16:20 |
| Unit193 | Okay, is it not expected to? :P | 16:22 |
| Unit193 | Good to know, do you have a package list by chance? | 16:23 |
| Unit193 | dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Installed-Size}\t${Package}\n' | sort -nr > manifest.list | 16:23 |
| elfy | I'd obviously have exactly that by chance ... | 16:27 |
| elfy | Unit193: I'll boot it again - just for you :) | 16:27 |
| Unit193 | elfy: You don't have to, really. | 16:27 |
| elfy | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8821359/ | 16:36 |
| elfy | but I did anyway ;) | 16:36 |
| === GridCube is now known as CubeGrid | ||
| === CubeGrid is now known as GridRegularPolyh | ||
| === GridRegularPolyh is now known as GridCube | ||
| elfy | well for better or worse - the first QA mail has gone to the list now the trackers are up again | 20:00 |
| * Unit193 sees it. | 20:00 | |
| Unit193 | "Hello all, been a while - or actually not" :P | 20:01 |
| elfy | :) | 20:01 |
| Unit193 | I don't get why people don't get program bug != testcase bug. | 20:02 |
| * elfy neither | 20:02 | |
| Unit193 | And, I suppose if -testers only means I get emails twice, guess might as well remove that. | 20:04 |
| elfy | well - there are ~30 people in -testers - I wish they did | 20:10 |
| elfy | there are 8 in -qa - I wish they did too ;) | 20:10 |
| elfy | bluesabre ochosi: interested in panel wrapper crash reports ? | 20:28 |
| elfy | wrapper-2.0 crashed with SIGSEGV in strrchr() | 20:29 |
| brainwash | bluesabre: thunar 1.6.3-1ubuntu6 in utopic-proposed | 20:41 |
| Unit193 | Hrm, what else do we have sitting in *-proposed? | 20:42 |
| brainwash | bluesabre: shouldn't it be 1.6.3-1ubuntu5.1? not sure if this matters | 20:43 |
| brainwash | Unit193: xfdesktop 4.11.8 (trusty) | 20:44 |
| Unit193 | Ah, that's the other one. Could only think of apt-offline. :P | 20:44 |
| brainwash | apt-offline.. does anyone use this? | 20:46 |
| Unit193 | skellat seems to. | 20:46 |
| elfy | does anyone use abiword? | 20:46 |
| Unit193 | And I've helped a couple people with it, but that was network issues. | 20:46 |
| * elfy starts that for the vampire cycle :p | 20:46 | |
| Unit193 | elfy: SkippersBoss does. :P | 20:46 |
| elfy | ha ha ha - oh yea :) | 20:47 |
| brainwash | abiword was/is not broken in utopic, that's an improvement | 20:47 |
| brainwash | usually there was always something wrong with it | 20:47 |
| elfy | indicator panel is crashing again | 20:50 |
| brainwash | I did not mention this yet, but the vbox vt problem is not reproducible with vmware :) | 20:52 |
| Unit193 | Hah, niiice. | 20:53 |
| Unit193 | KVM/Qemu? | 20:53 |
| brainwash | I did not test that | 20:54 |
| elfy | no it's not reproducible in that | 20:54 |
| brainwash | I've just configured vmware on my windows 10 test system | 20:55 |
| elfy | it's just vb afaik | 20:55 |
| elfy | I knew that weeks ago :p | 20:55 |
| brainwash | elfy: are you already testing thunar from utopic-proposed? | 20:57 |
| brainwash | it needs to be verified | 20:57 |
| elfy | not yet - looked earlier, neither 32 or 64 have actually built yet | 20:58 |
| elfy | and to look at it I need to boot utopic - so won't be looking again today | 20:58 |
| brainwash | ok, no need to hurry | 20:58 |
| elfy | utopic is at least all updated ready to look at some point tomorrow | 20:58 |
| Unit193 | armhf and ppc64el built. :P | 20:59 |
| elfy | yea :) | 20:59 |
| * Unit193 scratches head at lp 1343159. | 21:00 | |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1343159 in apt-offline (Ubuntu) "apt-offline get doesn't work on FreeBSD 10/Python 2.7.6" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1343159 | 21:00 |
| ochosi | elfy: wrapper-2.0 is the indicator stuff | 21:01 |
| ochosi | or to be more concrete, wrapper-2.0 is for gtk3 | 21:01 |
| elfy | ochosi: yea realised that eventually :) | 21:01 |
| ochosi | and the only gtk3 plugin we have atm is for the indicators | 21:01 |
| ochosi | but yeah, if the indicators go bad again it's good to know asap | 21:02 |
| elfy | ok - well I can add ind panel back and report it right now I suspect :p | 21:02 |
| ochosi | ok thanks | 21:03 |
| elfy | d'oh | 21:03 |
| elfy | apport's not turned on properly yet it seems | 21:04 |
| ochosi | :/ | 21:04 |
| ochosi | well, give it some time then, it's ok i guess | 21:05 |
| ochosi | although if you have some error message that makes sense, feel free to paste it | 21:05 |
| elfy | just seeing if I Can remember how to force it :) | 21:05 |
| elfy | mmm it is on | 21:06 |
| ochosi | ok cool | 21:07 |
| elfy | no - I mean apport is on, but it's not sending to LP :) | 21:10 |
| ochosi | oh | 21:13 |
| elfy | yep - got it :) | 21:13 |
| elfy | had to force apport to include crashes | 21:14 |
| dkessel | Unit193: looks like maybe that bug should really go upstream... I don't see the connection to Ubuntu | 21:15 |
| elfy | I'll not write anything much on this bug for the moment ochosi | 21:15 |
| Unit193 | dkessel: Quite so, just found it weird so had to link to it. :D | 21:15 |
| dkessel | :D | 21:16 |
| ochosi | elfy: sure, let's keep this sorta thing on the radar, that's good enough for now | 21:17 |
| elfy | grrrr | 21:17 |
| elfy | so it's decided that the bug is private lol | 21:17 |
| elfy | ochosi: ok here you go bug 1389400 | 21:18 |
| ubottu | bug 1389400 in xfce4-panel (Ubuntu) "wrapper-2.0 crashed with SIGSEGV in strrchr()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1389400 | 21:18 |
| elfy | linked to blueprint so we've got one linked there at least | 21:19 |
| ochosi | elfy: could you add in what indicators you're using? | 21:33 |
| elfy | no | 21:33 |
| ochosi | i mean which ones are installed | 21:34 |
| elfy | it keeps crashing lol - can't add it :) | 21:34 |
| elfy | but I don't add anything - so it's just the default ones we have | 21:34 |
| elfy | sound/messaging and ... | 21:34 |
| elfy | ochosi: any others - without me searching :) | 21:35 |
| elfy | oh nvm - I'll just see what are installed from dpkg | 21:35 |
| Unit193 | dpkg -l | grep indicator- application is my guess. | 21:35 |
| elfy | Unit193: yea:) | 21:35 |
| elfy | done that then | 21:37 |
| ochosi | elfy: you could try to uninstall one after the other until you can add it again | 21:37 |
| ochosi | maybe we can narrow it dow | 21:37 |
| ochosi | n | 21:37 |
| elfy | ok - well see comment in -offtopic - I'll make a note to do that tomorrow/manana :) | 21:38 |
| elfy | ochosi: I've made a note to do that - off now | 21:41 |
| Unit193 | slickymaster: Saved for a later network-manager date: nm-tool => `nmcli dev list` | 22:43 |
| slickymaster | ok thanks Unit193 | 22:46 |
| Unit193 | (That was more for me to grep than you to remember though. :P ) | 22:46 |
| slickymaster | that menas that is pretty much dateless, right? | 22:47 |
| slickymaster | xs/menas/means | 22:47 |
| Unit193 | Well, hopefully soon, but we'll see. | 22:48 |
| slickymaster | :) | 22:48 |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.7 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!