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xnoxczajkowski: ++01:28
xnoxczajkowski: a few years back, i'd have comments about couchbase, but not today. haven't touched that thing in years.01:28
diddledanI haven't touched couchbase since it changed from memcache01:40
diddledanmembase?01:40
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diddledanso ubuntu 14.10 doesn't work in hyper-v on windows10 preview03:39
diddledan:-p03:39
shaunoif you're that bored, go to bed :|03:50
mappsyo05:15
* zmoylan-pi hands mapps a glass of warm milk and sends them back to bed05:17
mapps:D05:17
mappsjust got home from wrk05:17
mappswhat you doing up?;D05:17
zmoylan-pihaven't fallen asleep yet05:18
mappsoh05:18
mappsguess no work early for you05:18
mapps:)05:18
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Guest55841morning all08:19
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MooDooraaaa internet08:27
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czajkowskixnox: :) you settling in well ?08:57
diddledanmogrnin09:13
diddledan(I haven't woken up yet)09:13
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Stress Awareness Day! :-D09:15
diddledanJamesTait: damn you with all these celebrations, you're stressing me out!09:15
diddledan(have you got a day for every day of the year?)09:17
zmoylan-piinternational sorting your calendars day is jan 1st as ever :-)09:20
JamesTaitdiddledan, no need to stress, some helpful people have remembered them all for you: daysoftheyear.com09:24
diddledanteehee09:24
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brobostigonmorning boys and girls.09:53
awilkinsPOO09:59
awilkinsOops09:59
foobarryBUM09:59
awilkinsWEE09:59
foobarrya 5yr olds favourite words10:00
* awilkins suffers from Keyboard Tourettes10:00
foobarrymy son likes wee poo belly bum song by flanders and swann10:00
foobarryhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSrXqOI998810:00
awilkinsMy new work laptop has more CPU grunt than my main desktop10:10
awilkinsMuch faster at computing an SHA1SUM on a 3GB file10:10
awilkinsOrdinarily I would not allow this to stand.10:10
awilkinsBut I'm waiting for Oculus Rift CV1 before I succumb to my upgrade itch10:11
awilkinsAnyone recommend a leather laptop bag to hold a 15.6" beast of a laptop?10:12
TwistedLucidityawilkins: Consider a decent messenger bag or rucksack instead. Looks less "muggy".10:20
awilkinsYeah, was thinking about this : http://www.amazon.co.uk/Unicorn-Leather-Cognac-laptop-Messenger/dp/B007ZDRH2Y/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1415182304&sr=8-5&keywords=leather+laptop+bag+16%2210:21
awilkinsThe bods at work struck up a gift collection for me before I left so I have a wodge of Amazon vouchers10:21
awilkinsIt's the only leather bag I've seen so far that explicitly states it will hold a large laptop, has padding for it, and has zero negative reviews (and looks good)10:22
TwistedLucidityLooks pretty decent, nice even stitching. Afraid I don't have any recommendations. As that's a suede-like finish (I forget the actual term) you might want to consider some cleaners/oils to keep it water resistant.10:23
zmoylan-pi''10:24
TwistedLucidityLeatherMaster do a bunch, or pop into the nearest motorcycle clothing store.10:24
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BigRedSI don't think I've ever seen a laptop bag in a bike shop10:30
BigRedSThough, thinking about it, I've never looked for one...10:30
zmoylan-pithey would have messenger bags tough maybe10:31
awilkinsI think he's talking about the leather care products10:32
BigRedSah yeah10:32
BigRedSI missed that line10:32
awilkinsCan't tell what kind of leather this is though! How do I buy the right product....10:33
TwistedLucidityawilkins: I was talking about the leather care stuff.10:34
TwistedLucidityIt's a napped leather rather than smooth, it will say on the bottle.10:34
TwistedLucidity"Aniline" <- that's the word.10:35
awilkinsAcrylic copolymer spray is apparently where it's at10:36
TwistedLucidityBasically you want something that won't make it shiny, although it will get "polished" with use. A good going over with a stiff/wire brush can sort that10:37
TwistedLucidityJust like with shoes....10:37
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foobarryanyone still playing gta IV?13:19
foobarrygta V has FPS mode13:19
popeyyeah, saw the video, looks fun13:22
popeylooking forward to pc version13:22
foobarryyou don't have a console?13:23
popeyi have a 360, but I'm not buying gta 5 on it13:23
foobarrywhy's that?13:23
popeyi prefer pc13:24
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* MooDoo just purchased a 360 for santa13:26
christelcertainly beats a mince pie13:27
MooDooI want a mince pie13:28
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Azelphurwoo, I'm getting one of these https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2014/Oct/PCSPECIALIST%20-%20Defiance%2015%2C%20Gaming%20Defiance%2015%2C%20Build%20Your%20Own%20Defiance%2015%2C%20Buy%20Defiance%2015.png :D14:03
BigRedSthat's one hell of a url14:05
Azelphurindeed14:05
AzelphurBigRedS: one hell of a url for one hell of a laptop, look at the display :)14:06
BigRedSdoes that get shipped built or as a kit?14:07
Azelphurbuilt14:07
BigRedSjust seems weird to charge £9 for almost no thermal paste14:07
BigRedSbut yeah, that's many dots on that screen14:07
BigRedSand £50 more than my thinkpad was...14:07
AzelphurBigRedS: the extra charge is because they have to do it manuall14:08
Azelphurmanually* so time I guess14:08
BigRedSah yeah, i just scrolled down, saw that and wondered if you just got a tube of it14:10
Azelphurhaha nope, it's all done for you14:12
TwistedLucidityAzelphur: Please punt a quick review to here/blog/whatever. Would love to know what they are like in the flesh. Considered getting one but didn't want to buy asight unseen.14:24
AzelphurTwistedLucidity: I already have one Clevo laptop, I am impressed enough with it to just throw money at Clevo.14:24
AzelphurIf it's anywhere near as good as my Clevo W110ER, I'll be happy14:24
TwistedLuciditySweet. Hope the backlit keyboatd works out.14:25
Azelphurindeed14:25
TwistedLucidityIn the end I plumped for an older ThinkPad, but would seriously consider one of these in the furture14:26
TwistedLucidityI like their attitude of "We can't support Linux ourselves, but here's a coummunity; know yourself out"14:26
Azelphurhehe14:26
TwistedLucidityUnlike what some other OEMs and shops do (e.g. Currys)14:27
Azelphurhttp://www.chip.pl/images/testy/notebooki/notebooki-z-windows-7/clevo-w110er/56117_4.jpg/image_preview14:27
TwistedLucidity"Knock yourself...."14:27
Azelphur11" with an i7 and a GT 650M...that is one well built machine.14:27
TwistedLucidity11" eh? That's the size I want for my "chuck in a backpack" unit. Was thinking of getting a X20114:28
AzelphurTwistedLucidity: this one fits in my coat pocket14:28
TwistedLucidityIf I put the T430 in a coat pocket, I'd be walking in circles!14:28
popeyhah14:29
Azelphurhaha14:29
zmoylan-pi314:29
TwistedLucidityHeavy sod. But the attraction was build quality.14:29
AzelphurI remember when me and popey both had a M1730's14:29
Azelphurthose laptops were the greatest :)14:29
popeyi have never had an m173014:30
Azelphurwhat did you have? I'm sure it was the same as or similar to mine14:30
popeyI had a Dell XPS Gen 2.14:31
Azelphurah14:31
Azelphuryea, they are pretty much the same14:31
AzelphurTwistedLucidity: did you see the Clevo that takes desktop LGA2011 CPUs? crazyness xD14:32
TwistedLucidityAzelphur: Nope, didn't spot that. Was having a rummage at the 10" and 11" models.14:33
TwistedLucidityMaybe I can save enough money to buy myself a new desktop post-Christmas.....this is all your fault Azelphur!14:34
Azelphurhaha14:34
zmoylan-pia rasp pi can be used as a desktop :-p14:34
Azelphurhttp://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/notebooks/omegaII/14:35
AzelphurIf it had a >1080 display I'd probably be buying it :(14:35
TwistedLucidity17"!14:35
TwistedLucidityScreens really do let down some systems.14:35
AzelphurTwistedLucidity: look at the side on photo rofl14:35
Azelphurhttps://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/images/products/3789/6_big.jpg?108 this one14:36
TwistedLucidity"Missing door step? NO PROBLEM!"14:36
Azelphurhaha indeed14:36
AzelphurI imagine it sounds like a jet taking off too what with the 4 hard drives, desktop CPU and twin dedicated GPUs14:37
Azelphurone day, when I'm rich *dreams* :p14:37
TwistedLucidityCirca £2.9k in top-spec. >.<14:40
AzelphurTwistedLucidity: I get £3.4k14:40
TwistedLucidityI didn't go for the external sound cards and the like. I also saved £79 on one option....14:41
AzelphurTwistedLucidity: me neither, I got the i7 six core, 32GB kingson hyperx, nvidia 880Ms, twin 1TB Samsung 840 EVOs, MX-4 thermal compound, and the Intel AC-7260.14:42
popeytempted to plug my desktop into the telly and use it as a steam box14:52
Azelphurpopey: running SteamOS too?14:52
popeynah, steam on ubuntu or windows14:53
AzelphurI see14:53
mappshm16:16
mappswhat to do16:16
daftykinsfixed your tubes yet? :)16:17
mappsgah no ive bene putting off contacting them16:19
mappsas i know it's gonna be a hassle:(16:19
daftykinsis the language barrier a pain?16:20
daftykinsactually you said they speak it well eh16:20
mappsna16:20
mappsthey speak english and spanish fluently16:20
mappseven mixing both mid sentence which is funny16:20
daftykins:D16:21
daftykinsmy mates ADSL finally got enabled today, only 9 days late16:21
mapps:D16:21
daftykinsi told them there was no service on the line so there had to be a fault at the exchange end16:21
mappslike my sky that didnt get connected? this was lol16:21
mappsi paid connection charge..went away to latvia..and come back nothings done16:21
daftykinsthey passed a message through to that department who pushed it back to the engineers16:21
daftykinsthey came onsite this morning, it was a faulty line card in the exchange like i said at the very beginning16:22
mappsphone them and they said basically couldnt do phoneline and net at same tie..sometimes cant..so rather than do it seperately they did NOTHING16:22
daftykinsabsolute idiots16:22
mappsline card?16:22
mappshm16:22
daftykinsyeah the thing your line connects into at the other end :>16:22
mappsand how stupid are sky?:P i paid connection fee agreed terms i dont care if i get phoneline or adsl seperate or at same time16:22
daftykinsin the DSLAM basically16:22
mappsbut they did NOTHING when they couldnt do both at same time..so i phone they do phone and say theyll phone in a week16:23
mappsirritates me when they say they'll phone..i'm not that stupid16:23
mapps0 chance they do16:23
mappsdamn tired16:23
mappsdebating doing spinning16:23
daftykinsi don't hugely follow that, one thing at a time 0o granted you have to have a landline before you can apply for a broadband service over here16:23
daftykinsbrb16:23
mappsbut im yawning :I16:24
mappshad to switch my landline to sky..and then get my net upograded they did both orders at once16:24
mappsthen claimed it failed..sometimes does for some reason..so they did nothing16:24
mappsclearly i still wanted it16:24
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daftykinsmapps: fun and games indeed17:11
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AzelphurDoes Linux still hate PCIe SSDs?18:20
daftykinshmm i hadn't even considered support for that18:22
daftykinshttps://www.dropbox.com/sh/snspaymkijxsr40/AABXChwPtUmHpWj_42j6osmOa?dl=018:23
daftykinsi did a lovely build there a bit ago that was using a nice new M.2 SSD :>18:23
Azelphurhehe18:23
Azelphurdid it work with Linux?18:23
daftykinsi could fire up a live session on it some time to see what it says18:23
daftykinsthe boot speed vid is pretty impressive18:24
Azelphur:)18:25
ali1234is there a way to force X11 to draw the mouse cursor in software?18:36
Azelphurali1234: ftp://www.x.org/pub/xorg/X11R6.7.0/doc/SiS2.html that top thing looks like what you want?18:39
ali1234what i want is something that will turn off the regular cursor and draw one with a normal window18:40
ali1234so that if you take a screenshot the cursor will show up in it (without trickery like screenshot tools do)18:40
popeyAzelphur: mSATA SSDs?18:40
Azelphurpopey: no, PCIe (M.2)18:41
popeyoh, desktop?18:41
Azelphurlaptop18:41
popeylink to one18:42
daftykinsM.2 is ace18:42
daftykinsmy dropbox link shows one18:42
Azelphurpopey: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.2 there's an image in there too18:42
daftykinsin the flesh! albeit mounted to a supporting motherboard.18:42
popeywow, thats tiny18:43
daftykinsthey vary in length18:43
popeywhat makes you say linux hates them?18:43
daftykinsthey typically come off PCI-E lanes direct from the CPU, so i'd imagine the kernel has a few surprises early on18:43
daftykinsNVMe is the newer standard to operate them with too18:44
Azelphurpopey: I've heard people saying you can't boot from them / they need special drivers18:48
ali1234that stuff is painfully new18:49
ali1234my brother got a new computer a couple of months ago, ubuntu live cd could not access the ethernet, usb ports, and half the sata ports18:49
ali1234and neither could windows, even with the drivers from the motherboard cd. we had to download updates from the websites18:50
daftykinsin what can only be described as my biggest 'derp' moment, i just worked out why there are so many fireworks going off tonight19:01
daftykins¬_¬19:01
mappshi all20:42
daftykinswelcome back20:44
mappshey daftykins20:44
mappsquick question..you ever used MRTG much20:44
daftykinsi'm not even familiar with the acronym off hand20:44
ali1234i've used it20:44
diddledanmulti router trafic graph20:44
ali1234all i can remember abut it is that it's really strange20:44
daftykinsD:20:44
daftykinslol20:44
mappsis it possible to get it to monitor the wireless on my pi20:44
daftykinsmapps: what's your latest hair-brained scheme exactly? :>20:45
mappsthe sky router doesnt support SNMP or it didnt respond20:45
diddledanshould be, yes20:45
mapps:D20:45
ali1234sure, it is just a graphing tool20:45
mappsyea20:45
ali1234it can graph any data source you want20:45
diddledandaftykins: you say "hair-brained" as though that's a bad thing?20:45
mappsso time to google search20:45
mappsnot sure how to get it to monitor wlan020:45
ali1234it doesn't have any built in monitoring capability20:46
mappshow can i probe wlan?20:46
daftykinsout of interest who's given in and is using heating at home already? :D20:46
mappsnot me20:46
ali1234daftykins: i've still got the windows open20:46
ali1234too many computers20:46
daftykinshahaha20:46
daftykinsnicely insulated place too?20:46
ali1234not really no20:46
diddledanI'm too hot and no heating yet20:47
diddledantwo puters at my feet probably don't help20:47
daftykinsi'm fine in t-shirt and thin jacket, but my cat's already going in her bed which she never uses :> https://www.dropbox.com/s/99pnnu611cla8qh/IMG_20141105_002324.jpg?dl=020:47
diddledansqueeee!20:47
daftykinshrmm think i'm going to move the travelling client from Vodafone to O220:48
daftykinshopefully they shall be a good improvement reception wise, all around England :>20:48
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popeydirecthex / daftykins is there some way in steam on Windows to tell big screen to open on the TV rather than PC monitor?22:56
popeyother than set the windows default screen to the tv22:56
popeyor switching off the desktop pc monitor22:56
directhexpopey: apparently settable from the display options inside BPM22:58
popeyi tried that, but it showed two entries for "generic pc monitor" and neither worked, they both kept pc monitor on22:58
* popey tries again22:58
directhexlol22:59
popeyoh worked that time22:59
popeymust be pilot error22:59
popeysweet22:59
* popey plays23:00
popeyhmm, doesnt re-route sound too23:01
daftykinsWindows set to the HDMI device?23:02
daftykinswow an auto-remove on a 14.04 server slowly iterating through older initrd's to remove seems oddly tedious23:17
popeydaftykins: yeah, but it's a faff. ☻23:28
popeyI wanted to just be on my desktop, plug in tv, open steam, off you go23:28
popeybut there's a little fiddling which isn't too bad23:28
popeyI can live with it23:29
popeyMeantime, anyone (I expect Azelphur) tried any bluetooth keyboards with their phone? Cheap and small = better23:29
daftykinswhat's the graphics card there? i find they vary a lot with how clever they are with that23:29
popeyhttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Bluetooth-Keyboard-iPhone-Symbian-smartphone/dp/B004401ZME that kinda thing23:29
popeydaftykins: nvidia something something23:29
Azelphurpopey: actually nope, never done that23:30
popeysurprising23:30
daftykinsbut Azelphur has all the gadgets!23:30
daftykinspopey: hmm, as long as the drivers are new enough, that is a surprise23:30
popeyits a reall old manky tv that the windows box has only just seen for the first time23:34
popeygot a new TV in the lounge, so I got the old one in my den23:34
popeywhich triggered the desk moving around to put the pc near the telly, which now is my steam box23:35
daftykinsah so might be more of a live-plug than a boot-with-connected situation?23:37
popeyno, it was booted with it attached, then i turned it on after boot23:37
popeynvm, all sorted now ☻23:37
daftykinsah yes, HDMI likes them on during boot or connect23:38
daftykinshrmm how strange, i'm proxy'd over SSH through this friends web server, he hosts a website from home and so has just updated the DNS with his new IP after getting a new router from his ISP23:41
daftykinsnow however, the wordpress site he hosts doesn't load properly when i try the server's internal IP23:41
daftykins(DNS has updated correctly for him)23:41
daftykinsalso, his domain just gives a 'connection reset' from firefox if i try to go to that, over said proxy23:41
ali1234popey: i have a bluetooth keyboard, but i don't see the point23:46
ali1234i literally used it once when i got it and never again23:46
popeyhttp://www.amazon.co.uk/IPHONE-BLUETOOTH-KEYBOARD-SLIDER-CASE/dp/B0052TI7ZY23:48
ali1234the jolla keyboard attachment is on kickstarter now. or maybe indiegogo, i don't remember23:49
popeyyeah, thats what got me thinking23:50
popeyhttps://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2028347278/tohkbd-the-other-half-keyboard-for-your-jolla23:50
ali1234"the other half" is a really clever idea23:50
popeyyeah23:50
popeytheirs isnt bluetooth though, directly connected over i2c23:51
ali1234yes, so uses less battery and is immune to interference23:51
popeywonder how many jolla devices have sold23:52

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