[01:28] <xnox> czajkowski: ++
[01:28] <xnox> czajkowski: a few years back, i'd have comments about couchbase, but not today. haven't touched that thing in years.
[01:40] <diddledan> I haven't touched couchbase since it changed from memcache
[01:40] <diddledan> membase?
[03:39] <diddledan> so ubuntu 14.10 doesn't work in hyper-v on windows10 preview
[03:39] <diddledan> :-p
[03:50] <shauno> if you're that bored, go to bed :|
[05:15] <mapps> yo
[05:17]  * zmoylan-pi hands mapps a glass of warm milk and sends them back to bed
[05:17] <mapps> :D
[05:17] <mapps> just got home from wrk
[05:17] <mapps> what you doing up?;D
[05:18] <zmoylan-pi> haven't fallen asleep yet
[05:18] <mapps> oh
[05:18] <mapps> guess no work early for you
[05:18] <mapps> :)
[08:19] <Guest55841> morning all
[08:27] <MooDoo> raaaa internet
[08:57] <czajkowski> xnox: :) you settling in well ?
[09:13] <diddledan> mogrnin
[09:13] <diddledan> (I haven't woken up yet)
[09:15] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Stress Awareness Day! :-D
[09:15] <diddledan> JamesTait: damn you with all these celebrations, you're stressing me out!
[09:17] <diddledan> (have you got a day for every day of the year?)
[09:20] <zmoylan-pi> international sorting your calendars day is jan 1st as ever :-)
[09:24] <JamesTait> diddledan, no need to stress, some helpful people have remembered them all for you: daysoftheyear.com
[09:24] <diddledan> teehee
[09:53] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:59] <awilkins> POO
[09:59] <awilkins> Oops
[09:59] <foobarry> BUM
[09:59] <awilkins> WEE
[10:00] <foobarry> a 5yr olds favourite words
[10:00]  * awilkins suffers from Keyboard Tourettes
[10:00] <foobarry> my son likes wee poo belly bum song by flanders and swann
[10:00] <foobarry> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSrXqOI9988
[10:10] <awilkins> My new work laptop has more CPU grunt than my main desktop
[10:10] <awilkins> Much faster at computing an SHA1SUM on a 3GB file
[10:10] <awilkins> Ordinarily I would not allow this to stand.
[10:11] <awilkins> But I'm waiting for Oculus Rift CV1 before I succumb to my upgrade itch
[10:12] <awilkins> Anyone recommend a leather laptop bag to hold a 15.6" beast of a laptop?
[10:20] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: Consider a decent messenger bag or rucksack instead. Looks less "muggy".
[10:21] <awilkins> Yeah, was thinking about this : http://www.amazon.co.uk/Unicorn-Leather-Cognac-laptop-Messenger/dp/B007ZDRH2Y/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1415182304&sr=8-5&keywords=leather+laptop+bag+16%22
[10:21] <awilkins> The bods at work struck up a gift collection for me before I left so I have a wodge of Amazon vouchers
[10:22] <awilkins> It's the only leather bag I've seen so far that explicitly states it will hold a large laptop, has padding for it, and has zero negative reviews (and looks good)
[10:23] <TwistedLucidity> Looks pretty decent, nice even stitching. Afraid I don't have any recommendations. As that's a suede-like finish (I forget the actual term) you might want to consider some cleaners/oils to keep it water resistant.
[10:24] <zmoylan-pi> ''
[10:24] <TwistedLucidity> LeatherMaster do a bunch, or pop into the nearest motorcycle clothing store.
[10:30] <BigRedS> I don't think I've ever seen a laptop bag in a bike shop
[10:30] <BigRedS> Though, thinking about it, I've never looked for one...
[10:31] <zmoylan-pi> they would have messenger bags tough maybe
[10:32] <awilkins> I think he's talking about the leather care products
[10:32] <BigRedS> ah yeah
[10:32] <BigRedS> I missed that line
[10:33] <awilkins> Can't tell what kind of leather this is though! How do I buy the right product....
[10:34] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: I was talking about the leather care stuff.
[10:34] <TwistedLucidity> It's a napped leather rather than smooth, it will say on the bottle.
[10:35] <TwistedLucidity> "Aniline" <- that's the word.
[10:36] <awilkins> Acrylic copolymer spray is apparently where it's at
[10:37] <TwistedLucidity> Basically you want something that won't make it shiny, although it will get "polished" with use. A good going over with a stiff/wire brush can sort that
[10:37] <TwistedLucidity> Just like with shoes....
[13:19] <foobarry> anyone still playing gta IV?
[13:19] <foobarry> gta V has FPS mode
[13:22] <popey> yeah, saw the video, looks fun
[13:22] <popey> looking forward to pc version
[13:23] <foobarry> you don't have a console?
[13:23] <popey> i have a 360, but I'm not buying gta 5 on it
[13:23] <foobarry> why's that?
[13:24] <popey> i prefer pc
[13:26]  * MooDoo just purchased a 360 for santa
[13:27] <christel> certainly beats a mince pie
[13:28] <MooDoo> I want a mince pie
[14:03] <Azelphur> woo, I'm getting one of these https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2014/Oct/PCSPECIALIST%20-%20Defiance%2015%2C%20Gaming%20Defiance%2015%2C%20Build%20Your%20Own%20Defiance%2015%2C%20Buy%20Defiance%2015.png :D
[14:05] <BigRedS> that's one hell of a url
[14:05] <Azelphur> indeed
[14:06] <Azelphur> BigRedS: one hell of a url for one hell of a laptop, look at the display :)
[14:07] <BigRedS> does that get shipped built or as a kit?
[14:07] <Azelphur> built
[14:07] <BigRedS> just seems weird to charge £9 for almost no thermal paste
[14:07] <BigRedS> but yeah, that's many dots on that screen
[14:07] <BigRedS> and £50 more than my thinkpad was...
[14:08] <Azelphur> BigRedS: the extra charge is because they have to do it manuall
[14:08] <Azelphur> manually* so time I guess
[14:10] <BigRedS> ah yeah, i just scrolled down, saw that and wondered if you just got a tube of it
[14:12] <Azelphur> haha nope, it's all done for you
[14:24] <TwistedLucidity> Azelphur: Please punt a quick review to here/blog/whatever. Would love to know what they are like in the flesh. Considered getting one but didn't want to buy asight unseen.
[14:24] <Azelphur> TwistedLucidity: I already have one Clevo laptop, I am impressed enough with it to just throw money at Clevo.
[14:24] <Azelphur> If it's anywhere near as good as my Clevo W110ER, I'll be happy
[14:25] <TwistedLucidity> Sweet. Hope the backlit keyboatd works out.
[14:25] <Azelphur> indeed
[14:26] <TwistedLucidity> In the end I plumped for an older ThinkPad, but would seriously consider one of these in the furture
[14:26] <TwistedLucidity> I like their attitude of "We can't support Linux ourselves, but here's a coummunity; know yourself out"
[14:26] <Azelphur> hehe
[14:27] <TwistedLucidity> Unlike what some other OEMs and shops do (e.g. Currys)
[14:27] <Azelphur> http://www.chip.pl/images/testy/notebooki/notebooki-z-windows-7/clevo-w110er/56117_4.jpg/image_preview
[14:27] <TwistedLucidity> "Knock yourself...."
[14:27] <Azelphur> 11" with an i7 and a GT 650M...that is one well built machine.
[14:28] <TwistedLucidity> 11" eh? That's the size I want for my "chuck in a backpack" unit. Was thinking of getting a X201
[14:28] <Azelphur> TwistedLucidity: this one fits in my coat pocket
[14:28] <TwistedLucidity> If I put the T430 in a coat pocket, I'd be walking in circles!
[14:29] <popey> hah
[14:29] <Azelphur> haha
[14:29] <zmoylan-pi> 3
[14:29] <TwistedLucidity> Heavy sod. But the attraction was build quality.
[14:29] <Azelphur> I remember when me and popey both had a M1730's
[14:29] <Azelphur> those laptops were the greatest :)
[14:30] <popey> i have never had an m1730
[14:30] <Azelphur> what did you have? I'm sure it was the same as or similar to mine
[14:31] <popey> I had a Dell XPS Gen 2.
[14:31] <Azelphur> ah
[14:31] <Azelphur> yea, they are pretty much the same
[14:32] <Azelphur> TwistedLucidity: did you see the Clevo that takes desktop LGA2011 CPUs? crazyness xD
[14:33] <TwistedLucidity> Azelphur: Nope, didn't spot that. Was having a rummage at the 10" and 11" models.
[14:34] <TwistedLucidity> Maybe I can save enough money to buy myself a new desktop post-Christmas.....this is all your fault Azelphur!
[14:34] <Azelphur> haha
[14:34] <zmoylan-pi> a rasp pi can be used as a desktop :-p
[14:35] <Azelphur> http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/notebooks/omegaII/
[14:35] <Azelphur> If it had a >1080 display I'd probably be buying it :(
[14:35] <TwistedLucidity> 17"!
[14:35] <TwistedLucidity> Screens really do let down some systems.
[14:35] <Azelphur> TwistedLucidity: look at the side on photo rofl
[14:36] <Azelphur> https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/images/products/3789/6_big.jpg?108 this one
[14:36] <TwistedLucidity> "Missing door step? NO PROBLEM!"
[14:36] <Azelphur> haha indeed
[14:37] <Azelphur> I imagine it sounds like a jet taking off too what with the 4 hard drives, desktop CPU and twin dedicated GPUs
[14:37] <Azelphur> one day, when I'm rich *dreams* :p
[14:40] <TwistedLucidity> Circa £2.9k in top-spec. >.<
[14:40] <Azelphur> TwistedLucidity: I get £3.4k
[14:41] <TwistedLucidity> I didn't go for the external sound cards and the like. I also saved £79 on one option....
[14:42] <Azelphur> TwistedLucidity: me neither, I got the i7 six core, 32GB kingson hyperx, nvidia 880Ms, twin 1TB Samsung 840 EVOs, MX-4 thermal compound, and the Intel AC-7260.
[14:52] <popey> tempted to plug my desktop into the telly and use it as a steam box
[14:52] <Azelphur> popey: running SteamOS too?
[14:53] <popey> nah, steam on ubuntu or windows
[14:53] <Azelphur> I see
[16:16] <mapps> hm
[16:16] <mapps> what to do
[16:17] <daftykins> fixed your tubes yet? :)
[16:19] <mapps> gah no ive bene putting off contacting them
[16:19] <mapps> as i know it's gonna be a hassle:(
[16:20] <daftykins> is the language barrier a pain?
[16:20] <daftykins> actually you said they speak it well eh
[16:20] <mapps> na
[16:20] <mapps> they speak english and spanish fluently
[16:20] <mapps> even mixing both mid sentence which is funny
[16:21] <daftykins> :D
[16:21] <daftykins> my mates ADSL finally got enabled today, only 9 days late
[16:21] <mapps> :D
[16:21] <daftykins> i told them there was no service on the line so there had to be a fault at the exchange end
[16:21] <mapps> like my sky that didnt get connected? this was lol
[16:21] <mapps> i paid connection charge..went away to latvia..and come back nothings done
[16:21] <daftykins> they passed a message through to that department who pushed it back to the engineers
[16:22] <daftykins> they came onsite this morning, it was a faulty line card in the exchange like i said at the very beginning
[16:22] <mapps> phone them and they said basically couldnt do phoneline and net at same tie..sometimes cant..so rather than do it seperately they did NOTHING
[16:22] <daftykins> absolute idiots
[16:22] <mapps> line card?
[16:22] <mapps> hm
[16:22] <daftykins> yeah the thing your line connects into at the other end :>
[16:22] <mapps> and how stupid are sky?:P i paid connection fee agreed terms i dont care if i get phoneline or adsl seperate or at same time
[16:22] <daftykins> in the DSLAM basically
[16:23] <mapps> but they did NOTHING when they couldnt do both at same time..so i phone they do phone and say theyll phone in a week
[16:23] <mapps> irritates me when they say they'll phone..i'm not that stupid
[16:23] <mapps> 0 chance they do
[16:23] <mapps> damn tired
[16:23] <mapps> debating doing spinning
[16:23] <daftykins> i don't hugely follow that, one thing at a time 0o granted you have to have a landline before you can apply for a broadband service over here
[16:23] <daftykins> brb
[16:24] <mapps> but im yawning :I
[16:24] <mapps> had to switch my landline to sky..and then get my net upograded they did both orders at once
[16:24] <mapps> then claimed it failed..sometimes does for some reason..so they did nothing
[16:24] <mapps> clearly i still wanted it
[17:11] <daftykins> mapps: fun and games indeed
[18:20] <Azelphur> Does Linux still hate PCIe SSDs?
[18:22] <daftykins> hmm i hadn't even considered support for that
[18:23] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/snspaymkijxsr40/AABXChwPtUmHpWj_42j6osmOa?dl=0
[18:23] <daftykins> i did a lovely build there a bit ago that was using a nice new M.2 SSD :>
[18:23] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:23] <Azelphur> did it work with Linux?
[18:23] <daftykins> i could fire up a live session on it some time to see what it says
[18:24] <daftykins> the boot speed vid is pretty impressive
[18:25] <Azelphur> :)
[18:36] <ali1234> is there a way to force X11 to draw the mouse cursor in software?
[18:39] <Azelphur> ali1234: ftp://www.x.org/pub/xorg/X11R6.7.0/doc/SiS2.html that top thing looks like what you want?
[18:40] <ali1234> what i want is something that will turn off the regular cursor and draw one with a normal window
[18:40] <ali1234> so that if you take a screenshot the cursor will show up in it (without trickery like screenshot tools do)
[18:40] <popey> Azelphur: mSATA SSDs?
[18:41] <Azelphur> popey: no, PCIe (M.2)
[18:41] <popey> oh, desktop?
[18:41] <Azelphur> laptop
[18:42] <popey> link to one
[18:42] <daftykins> M.2 is ace
[18:42] <daftykins> my dropbox link shows one
[18:42] <Azelphur> popey: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.2 there's an image in there too
[18:42] <daftykins> in the flesh! albeit mounted to a supporting motherboard.
[18:43] <popey> wow, thats tiny
[18:43] <daftykins> they vary in length
[18:43] <popey> what makes you say linux hates them?
[18:43] <daftykins> they typically come off PCI-E lanes direct from the CPU, so i'd imagine the kernel has a few surprises early on
[18:44] <daftykins> NVMe is the newer standard to operate them with too
[18:48] <Azelphur> popey: I've heard people saying you can't boot from them / they need special drivers
[18:49] <ali1234> that stuff is painfully new
[18:49] <ali1234> my brother got a new computer a couple of months ago, ubuntu live cd could not access the ethernet, usb ports, and half the sata ports
[18:50] <ali1234> and neither could windows, even with the drivers from the motherboard cd. we had to download updates from the websites
[19:01] <daftykins> in what can only be described as my biggest 'derp' moment, i just worked out why there are so many fireworks going off tonight
[19:01] <daftykins> ¬_¬
[20:42] <mapps> hi all
[20:44] <daftykins> welcome back
[20:44] <mapps> hey daftykins
[20:44] <mapps> quick question..you ever used MRTG much
[20:44] <daftykins> i'm not even familiar with the acronym off hand
[20:44] <ali1234> i've used it
[20:44] <diddledan> multi router trafic graph
[20:44] <ali1234> all i can remember abut it is that it's really strange
[20:44] <daftykins> D:
[20:44] <daftykins> lol
[20:44] <mapps> is it possible to get it to monitor the wireless on my pi
[20:45] <daftykins> mapps: what's your latest hair-brained scheme exactly? :>
[20:45] <mapps> the sky router doesnt support SNMP or it didnt respond
[20:45] <diddledan> should be, yes
[20:45] <mapps> :D
[20:45] <ali1234> sure, it is just a graphing tool
[20:45] <mapps> yea
[20:45] <ali1234> it can graph any data source you want
[20:45] <diddledan> daftykins: you say "hair-brained" as though that's a bad thing?
[20:45] <mapps> so time to google search
[20:45] <mapps> not sure how to get it to monitor wlan0
[20:46] <ali1234> it doesn't have any built in monitoring capability
[20:46] <mapps> how can i probe wlan?
[20:46] <daftykins> out of interest who's given in and is using heating at home already? :D
[20:46] <mapps> not me
[20:46] <ali1234> daftykins: i've still got the windows open
[20:46] <ali1234> too many computers
[20:46] <daftykins> hahaha
[20:46] <daftykins> nicely insulated place too?
[20:46] <ali1234> not really no
[20:47] <diddledan> I'm too hot and no heating yet
[20:47] <diddledan> two puters at my feet probably don't help
[20:47] <daftykins> i'm fine in t-shirt and thin jacket, but my cat's already going in her bed which she never uses :> https://www.dropbox.com/s/99pnnu611cla8qh/IMG_20141105_002324.jpg?dl=0
[20:47] <diddledan> squeeee!
[20:48] <daftykins> hrmm think i'm going to move the travelling client from Vodafone to O2
[20:48] <daftykins> hopefully they shall be a good improvement reception wise, all around England :>
[22:56] <popey> directhex / daftykins is there some way in steam on Windows to tell big screen to open on the TV rather than PC monitor?
[22:56] <popey> other than set the windows default screen to the tv
[22:56] <popey> or switching off the desktop pc monitor
[22:58] <directhex> popey: apparently settable from the display options inside BPM
[22:58] <popey> i tried that, but it showed two entries for "generic pc monitor" and neither worked, they both kept pc monitor on
[22:58]  * popey tries again
[22:59] <directhex> lol
[22:59] <popey> oh worked that time
[22:59] <popey> must be pilot error
[22:59] <popey> sweet
[23:00]  * popey plays
[23:01] <popey> hmm, doesnt re-route sound too
[23:02] <daftykins> Windows set to the HDMI device?
[23:17] <daftykins> wow an auto-remove on a 14.04 server slowly iterating through older initrd's to remove seems oddly tedious
[23:28] <popey> daftykins: yeah, but it's a faff. ☻
[23:28] <popey> I wanted to just be on my desktop, plug in tv, open steam, off you go
[23:28] <popey> but there's a little fiddling which isn't too bad
[23:29] <popey> I can live with it
[23:29] <popey> Meantime, anyone (I expect Azelphur) tried any bluetooth keyboards with their phone? Cheap and small = better
[23:29] <daftykins> what's the graphics card there? i find they vary a lot with how clever they are with that
[23:29] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bluetooth-Keyboard-iPhone-Symbian-smartphone/dp/B004401ZME that kinda thing
[23:29] <popey> daftykins: nvidia something something
[23:30] <Azelphur> popey: actually nope, never done that
[23:30] <popey> surprising
[23:30] <daftykins> but Azelphur has all the gadgets!
[23:30] <daftykins> popey: hmm, as long as the drivers are new enough, that is a surprise
[23:34] <popey> its a reall old manky tv that the windows box has only just seen for the first time
[23:34] <popey> got a new TV in the lounge, so I got the old one in my den
[23:35] <popey> which triggered the desk moving around to put the pc near the telly, which now is my steam box
[23:37] <daftykins> ah so might be more of a live-plug than a boot-with-connected situation?
[23:37] <popey> no, it was booted with it attached, then i turned it on after boot
[23:37] <popey> nvm, all sorted now ☻
[23:38] <daftykins> ah yes, HDMI likes them on during boot or connect
[23:41] <daftykins> hrmm how strange, i'm proxy'd over SSH through this friends web server, he hosts a website from home and so has just updated the DNS with his new IP after getting a new router from his ISP
[23:41] <daftykins> now however, the wordpress site he hosts doesn't load properly when i try the server's internal IP
[23:41] <daftykins> (DNS has updated correctly for him)
[23:41] <daftykins> also, his domain just gives a 'connection reset' from firefox if i try to go to that, over said proxy
[23:46] <ali1234> popey: i have a bluetooth keyboard, but i don't see the point
[23:46] <ali1234> i literally used it once when i got it and never again
[23:48] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/IPHONE-BLUETOOTH-KEYBOARD-SLIDER-CASE/dp/B0052TI7ZY
[23:49] <ali1234> the jolla keyboard attachment is on kickstarter now. or maybe indiegogo, i don't remember
[23:50] <popey> yeah, thats what got me thinking
[23:50] <popey> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2028347278/tohkbd-the-other-half-keyboard-for-your-jolla
[23:50] <ali1234> "the other half" is a really clever idea
[23:50] <popey> yeah
[23:51] <popey> theirs isnt bluetooth though, directly connected over i2c
[23:51] <ali1234> yes, so uses less battery and is immune to interference
[23:52] <popey> wonder how many jolla devices have sold