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soeegood morning07:16
lordievaderGood morning.08:29
Riddellbon dia09:08
lordievaderHow is Riddell doing this fine day?09:10
Riddellactually a little wonky in my head which is annoying but happens rarely these days09:16
Riddellhttp://perezmeyer.blogspot.com.es/2014/11/early-announce-qt4-removal-in-jessie1.html debian want to remove qt4, that's ambitious09:16
lordievaderDoesn't sound nice...09:17
Riddellshrug, such is life with a head injury, I'll drink some Cacaolat to get over it09:19
valoriesounds like you are healing well, Riddell09:21
RiddellI only need cacaolat now, no longer do I require irn bru, it's a definate step up :)09:22
_Groo_bom dia09:23
Riddellbom?09:23
_Groo_yep09:23
_Groo_im portuguese, i know what im talking about09:23
valorieI never had any spanish chocolate!09:24
valoriecoffee was good, though09:24
apacheloggerhow is spanish chocolate a thing :O09:24
_Groo_try brazilian coffee, its nice :D09:26
valorieapachelogger: we savored the Viennese chocolate I brought back09:30
valorieit's gone, though09:30
valorie:(09:30
apacheloggerI am sure someone could send some :P09:31
valorieno temptation!09:32
valorietrying to run again09:32
valorieI mean, not this minute, since it is 1:30 am and I intend to look in on Scarlett's grilling09:33
* apachelogger looks at the pandaboard and goes Oo09:33
apacheloggerI think some yearly cron just started 09:33
apacheloggerdisco lights party going on here09:33
apacheloggervalorie: ^^09:33
* valorie throws confetti09:35
valorieany time is party time09:35
Riddellhow's this as advertising shots for the kubuntu polo shirts? https://www.flickr.com/photos/jriddell/15100445193/in/photostream/09:55
valoriethat isn't a polo!09:59
valorieis it?09:59
valoriebut cute09:59
Riddellyes it is10:01
Riddellit's a shame my phone has such a waterlogged camera10:01
valorieshould be closer up and better lighting10:02
valoriewaterlogged?10:02
Riddellit's a waterpoof phone that I take canoeing but it'll get some moisture in it10:02
valorielooks like the lens needs cleaning10:02
valorieah10:02
Riddellwhich gives that classy soft focus to the photos10:02
valoriebut she's young and cute, doesn't need the soft focus10:02
valorielol10:03
valoriethat's for us Women of a Certain Age10:03
Riddellhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/2842962/kubuntu-15-04-embraces-kdes-plasma-5-desktop.html "Kubuntu 15.04 embraces KDE's Plasma 5 desktop"10:58
Riddellhttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/10/kubuntu-15-04-vivid-plasma-5-desktop-default "Kubuntu 15.04 Will Use Plasma 5 Desktop by Default"11:00
Riddell"Unity may be same ol’, same ol’ for Vivid, but it’s great to hear there’ll be plenty of vivid versioning happening elsewhere." :)11:00
_Groo_:)11:01
_Groo_can someone take a look at the amd64 builds in ci? im crying a river over here, its broken all over the place. i386 are building just fine11:01
Riddellkde-workspace fails to upload "systemsettings_4.11.12-0ubuntu2_arm64.deb: Version older than that in the archive. 4:4.11.12-0ubuntu2 <= 4:5.1.0.1-0ubuntu1" guess it's time to kill it11:55
QuintasanHi12:14
Riddellhola Quintasan 12:15
yofelRIP kde-workspace, long live plasma-workspace ^^12:25
soeethere was LibreOffice upgrade last days, but the theming does not work right ?12:39
soeeso it was only  app version upgrade not integration12:39
sgclarkmorning12:43
yofelhey12:43
Riddellsgclark: yes12:44
Riddellit's sgclark!12:44
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sgclarkRiddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8851581/13:12
* Riddell looks13:13
Riddellsgclark: does shlibs make k3b depend on libk3b6-extracodecs ?13:14
Riddellsgclark: or did you leave in the recommends when it should have been replaced with the suggests?13:14
sgclarkRiddell: you did it when you packaged it last13:15
sgclarkmaybe it does not apply anymore?13:15
RiddellI did what?13:16
sgclarkRiddell: well when you merged it last rather13:16
Riddellsgclark: have you removed  Recommends: libk3b6-extracodecs  ?13:16
sgclarkRiddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8851636/13:16
Riddell"Suggest, not recommend libk3b6-extracodecs (Cannot be on the CD)" is still valid13:17
sgclarkRiddell: ahh it seems to be in both places13:17
sgclarkok, thank you13:18
sgclarkmerge + new release is fun! not13:18
sgclarkRiddell: what about: Do not install unused scalable icons to save space13:20
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bukai__Riddell: In the test.kubuntu.co.uk, blogs is just given as a heading but there are none present. Can I include your blogs and ask others for the links?13:32
apacheloggertrusty upgrade broke my pandaboard13:38
apachelogger:'<13:38
Riddellbukai__: the important "blog" to include is the news posts which are part of the kubuntu website13:51
Riddellhttp://test.kubuntu.co.uk/category/news13:51
Riddellalthough there's lots more since that was imported http://www.kubuntu.org/news/13:51
Riddellyou could include a feed for some other blogs like Kubuntu Wire or developer blogs if you think it's appropriate13:52
Riddellsgclark: there were some .svgz icons that were installed but which were not used, they still won't be used13:52
sgclarkok thank you13:52
sgclarksheesh I can certainly see the value in DEP3 patch headers now14:01
Riddellif they're kubuntu patches they should be named with kubuntu and they should have their full name searchable in the changelog14:02
RiddellI as smart enough to apply that rule early on14:02
sgclarkok14:02
bukai__Riddell: I was thinking of including around 4 blogs in the main page and the rest in the news section14:02
Riddellnews is stories posted on kubuntu.org, it shouldn't include random other blogs14:03
Riddellanother block for random other blogs that are relevant to kubuntu might be nice but it's not important14:04
Riddellbut kubuntu wire is the only one we have that's not just a personal blog14:04
BluesKajHey folks14:16
sgclarkhey14:16
bukai__Riddell: Ok, so 1 blog is kubuntu wire that will be going on the first page. And rest three I will choose from the stories in kubuntu.org?14:26
Riddellbukai__: I don't understand, http://www.kubuntu.org/news is a blog and it has several stories of which it might be good to show the latest three or four on the front page14:27
Riddellhttp://wire.kubuntu.org/ is another blog and it might be good to show the three or four latest on the front page14:27
Riddellit should also have prominant links to https://twitter.com/kubuntu https://plus.google.com/107577785796696065138/posts and http://facebook.com/kubuntu.org14:28
Riddelland maybe include content from them if possible14:29
bukai__Riddell: ok, I shall take 2 from each for the front page, as we are sticking to the second theme so too many will make it clumsy .14:33
Riddellcool14:34
soeebukai__: what theme ? :)14:40
* Riddell removes kde-workspace14:42
bukai__soee: I am making one myself14:58
bukai__but I am using, http://www.gewest13.nl/nl/werk , as a guideline :)15:01
Riddellbukai__: by the way what else do you do when not being an elite kubuntu wordpress developer?15:03
bukai__Riddell: Currently I am a final year student, I am porting klettres and also developing a new level for the same.15:05
Riddellbukai__: doing computer science?15:05
Riddellbukai__: do I guess right you're from India?15:06
bukai__Riddell: yes, I am doing my B.Tech in Computer Science . 15:09
Riddellbukai__: is any of this part of your dissertation or project?15:10
RiddellI think everyone should do some open source development as part of their dissertation, I'm always amazed how few people do15:10
bukai__No, sadly we are not allowed to select our own projects :(15:12
Riddellmeh that sucks15:12
bukai__I am working on java card as my college project. 15:13
bukai__Riddell: Yes, it really sucks.15:13
Riddellah java, universities do love it15:13
bukai__:) 15:13
sgclarkyeah I couldn't choose mine either15:15
RiddellI wonder whatever happened to C#, I hear so little about it these days, maybe I'm just living in a free software bubble 15:15
sgclarkRiddell: I will get our UOS scheduled one of these days, I keep running into every bug in the system possible.15:16
Riddellthanks!15:19
Riddelltsdgeos: no KDE Applications 14.12 Beta 1 yet?15:21
bukai__Riddell: I am adding meta tags for test.kubuntu should I so the same for kubuntu.org?15:21
tsdgeosRiddell: no15:22
tsdgeosRiddell: this evening maybe15:22
Riddelltsdgeos: let me know if I can help15:22
tsdgeossure15:22
Riddellbukai__: only if it's easy to do so, not much point spending time on a website that we're about to replace15:23
bukai__Riddell: then it's of no use :)15:25
Riddellalthough I did just accidently delete the Plasma 5.1.1 tars I spend the morning making so I may not be the most reliable of hands15:25
sgclarkdoh15:29
=== Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | 14.10 is out! | trello cards up for grabs! | KF5 5.4.0 Status http://goo.gl/gwCnYo | sglcark kubuntu-dev membership meeting 21:00 today
Riddell** sglcark kubuntu-dev membership meeting 21:00 today15:41
* sgclark hides15:42
Riddell21:00UTC15:42
=== Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | 14.10 is out! | trello cards up for grabs! | KF5 5.4.0 Status http://goo.gl/gwCnYo | sglcark kubuntu-dev membership meeting 21:00UTC today
sgclarkwho is sglcark? :)15:44
RiddellI head she's an elite packager who doesn't know how to spell clerk :)15:44
=== Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | 14.10 is out! | trello cards up for grabs! | KF5 5.4.0 Status http://goo.gl/gwCnYo | sgclark kubuntu-dev membership meeting 21:00UTC today
lordievaderDoes ssdm work properly with systemd?16:12
lordievaderI felt adventurous and enabled systemd.16:13
sgclarkPretty sure the answer is no, unless it has been fixed16:14
Riddellthe package we have does not16:14
lordievaderOkay, thanks for the answer. Lightdm also seems incompatible with systemd.16:15
yofelit shouldn't be16:16
yofelthere is one bug about lightdm issues open though that's incomplete IIRC (as not really reproducable)16:16
bukai__Riddell: Shall I put the feature tour in the main page where, the images will be put in a laptop kind of a slider and you can slide through it , rather than putting it on the nav bar?16:16
yofelotherwise you'll have problems with lxc and nfs updates. Otherwise systemd works fine16:16
Riddellbukai__: that sounds cool yeah16:17
lordievaderHmm, the logs show that lightdm tries to connect to upstart then a few lines about PAM and kwallet. Then X dies. (It might just be my setup ;) )16:18
bukai__thanks :)16:18
sgclarkRiddell: k3b is ready, but taking crazy long to start build. https://launchpad.net/~sgclark/+archive/ubuntu/kubuntu-vivid/+packages. I have to run some errands before my demise, I mean dev membership.16:18
sgclarkso I will be back in a few16:19
Riddellthanks sgclark!16:24
Riddellsgclark: uploaded!16:34
sgclarkback17:05
soeehey17:08
bukai__soee: Hi17:34
joseI knew a channel was missing :)18:38
josesgclark: ping18:39
sgclarkjose: pong18:39
josesgclark: need any help with summit and that meeting being scheduled?18:40
josehave some time around here now18:40
sgclarkjose: not sure what I did, I scheduled community instead of users. What is the difference?18:40
josesgclark: so, users are for sessions that will be focused on users (probably tutorials, introductions to community, etc.), and community is for planning of community-driven stuff18:41
joseit appears you are a track lead for users, but I can give you a hand to schedule that 'community-tagged' meeting, I'm a track lead for both community and devops18:41
sgclarkjose: hmm ours just might be both and devops lol, we are bundeling everything into an all in one as we do not have enough people to justify seperating it all18:42
sgclarkjose: basically we will show new features of the plasma5 and then a Q&A discussion and then we will go into some technical details for thos that remain.18:43
josedevops is cloud stuff18:43
sgclarkjose: our new CI etc18:44
sgclarkjose: CI.. :)18:44
josejinx'd18:44
joseerm18:44
sgclarkjose: that is the techy stuff18:44
joseso, you wanna do both things in one session?18:44
joseprobably the demoing could go in users, and the discussion could go in community18:44
sgclarkjose: perhaps we could have back to back sessions18:45
josemost end-users will not be interested in backend things18:45
sgclarkyeah18:45
joseyeah, one session following the other one18:45
josethat could work18:45
sgclarkjose: so for the demo and Q&A split, sounds fine but I don't think we need an hour each for that. Anyway to split one meetting for two tracks? lol18:49
josehehe, not that I'm aware of18:49
sgclarkhmm18:49
joseand all meetings are 55 mins long this time18:49
sgclarkCI could possibly take an hour if we have enough interest, it really is a good topic18:49
joseand catchy titles also help!18:50
sgclarkok18:50
sgclarkstill not sure what to do about the original problem haha, Would users be better? As showing off plasma5 definately would not fit with community.18:51
joseI think users is fine18:53
josejust change the blueprint spec name18:53
sgclarkok18:53
sgclarkand I will create a new one for our CI work for devops18:54
josecool19:01
joselet me know if you need scheduling19:01
joseif I'm not around on IRC, I'll read backlog as soon as I reconnect19:01
sgclarkjose: ty for your help!19:01
josethanks to you for helping lead users this UOS :)19:02
josesgclark: mind a quick PM?19:07
sgclarkjose: go ahead19:07
sgclarkjose: I made a CI one for devops but I cannot seem to approve the blueprint even though I am listed as such19:25
joseok, let me check...19:25
josesgclark: link, please19:27
sgclarkjose: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ci/+spec/devops1411-kubuntu-continuous-integration19:27
josealready accepted for the sprint19:28
josemake sure to name it track-1411, not track141119:28
josesummit is set to pull info from lp every certain time19:28
sgclarkgotcha thanks jose!19:36
josenp19:36
sgclarkboth fixed19:36
sgclarkjose: CI still says 19:39
sgclarkDirection:19:39
sgclarkNeeds approval19:39
sgclarkand no option to approve19:39
josedon't change anything19:40
josejust approve19:40
josecjohnston said that if you change anything summit will not pick it up19:40
josesummit's weird19:40
sgclarkI can't19:40
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Riddellhola19:55
* sgclark waves19:56
sgclarkRiddell:  tsdgeos was asking about kf5 in vivid in #kde-devel20:00
Riddellsgclark: thanks, replied20:05
Riddellplasma 5.1.1 is up if anyone wants to take it on20:05
sgclarkI can later20:05
sgclarkstart it anyway20:06
sgclarkdid I see an announcement for the apps?20:06
sgclarkthat should be umm fun heh20:06
sgclarkRiddell: also I am guessing I should backport k3b..? some significant fixes20:09
Riddelldunno if it's been announced but lots of them http://download.kde.org/unstable/applications/14.11.80/20:09
sgclarkRiddell: and we need to couple merges with those correct?20:10
Riddellsgclark: it would be nice, but remember to have some downtime as well :)20:10
sgclarkRiddell: my downtime is spent on SoK, lol I need to find time for sleep!20:10
* sgclark thinks she may have over extended herself20:11
sgclarkok taking a quick break before my grilling :) be back in 3020:13
Riddellsgclark: yeah I guess so, for each app merge it with debian, put it in debian git, if it's got a kf5 port then redo the packaging for that20:19
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sgclarkRiddell: ok20:27
* shadeslayer hopes apachelogger will be around for grilling20:39
* sgclark does too20:39
soeewoho 5.4.0 99% green :)20:42
shadeslayerI should figure out what I'm going to ask20:42
shadeslayersoee: yeah, packaging shouldn't ever be red now :p20:43
apacheloggershadeslayer: l10n20:45
shadeslayerpft, even I am not fully aware of that stuff20:45
* shadeslayer knows what to ask20:45
apacheloggerjust sayin that's why it wasnt green20:46
soeeshadeslayer: what about apps beta1 ?20:46
sgclarksoee: we have not started that yet20:46
soeesgclark: ok, thank you20:46
Riddellsoee: apps 14.12 is an empty canvas just waiting for helpful people to help out20:52
Riddellfabo, debfx, apachelogger, Quintasan, yofel, shadeslayer, ScottK: meeting in #ubuntu-meeting for sgclark membership in 8 minuts20:53
shadeslayeryo yo20:53
QuintasanRight.20:53
sgclarknot here?20:53
RiddellI quite like #ubuntu-meeting cos then some non-kubuntu people will see that kubuntu people are getting a new member (potentially)20:54
* sgclark is more scared now with strangers involved O.o20:54
yofelo/20:58
Riddell** #ubuntu-meeting now?21:01
Riddell** #ubuntu-meeting now!21:01
apacheloggerRiddell: if you add an upstream patch it would be super lovely if you could merge it into unstable locally, then drop the upstream patch in unstable then push unstable and then push next21:02
apacheloggercompletely pointless build failures that causes21:02
yofeler, commit in next, merge next into unstable, remove patch from unstable then push both? Or did I misunderstand that?21:03
apacheloggerexactly21:05
yofelk21:05
Riddellall sounds very faffy21:06
apacheloggerRiddell: the option is to not make upstream patches21:07
Riddellcan't the automerger worker it out?21:08
apacheloggeron the list of code to be written that has about as low a priority as a thing could have21:09
apacheloggerand I thought jar was just zip21:20
yofelwell, true. You could count a jar that contains sources as shipping sources in some way21:22
apacheloggershadeslayer: I could ask the question you did not manage to answer at your quiz21:34
shadeslayerapachelogger: go for it21:34
apacheloggershadeslayer: so what's with me and being scared?22:00
shadeslayerapachelogger: your questions scare the shit out of me still22:01
yofelkubotu: order fireworks22:01
* kubotu slides fireworks down the bar to yofel22:01
shadeslayerheh22:01
shadeslayersilly kubotu22:01
* yofel fires them away to celebrate sgclark22:01
yofelwe need to improve on that :P22:01
apacheloggermight be becuase you have a psychological trauma22:01
apacheloggerthose were mostly questions from your interview 22:01
shadeslayeryeah22:02
shadeslayerto both of those statements :P22:02
=== yofel changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | 14.10 is out! | trello cards up for grabs! | KF5 5.4.0 Status http://goo.gl/gwCnYo | congrats to our new kubuntu-dev: sgclark
* sgclark cheers22:02
shadeslayermy flatmates just went out, now I feel like partying too :(22:03
Riddellthanks a lot for helping kubuntu sgclark 22:03
shadeslayer^^22:04
* Riddell goes home to bed22:05
soeesgclark: gratz :D22:05
sgclarkthanks!22:09
shadeslayerRiddell: re core dev, question is, why would I want to apply23:08
shadeslayerI'm not really uploading core stuff 23:09
valorieshadeslayer: for the tiara you get!23:12
sgclarklol23:12
valorieAll Things Sparkly23:13
shadeslayerThey hand out tiara's to core devs? :O23:13
valorietry it and see!23:14
valoriethere has to be something to top the title Master of the Universe23:14
valorieyou get the He-Man sword with that one, right?23:15
Riddellshadeslayer: cos then you can be elite and get on sru team or archive admin or the like 23:31
shadeslayerRiddell: oh you're alive23:31
shadeslayerand by alive I mean not sleeping23:31
shadeslayerRiddell: Where do you plan to go to vote?23:32
* shadeslayer wants to join23:32
Riddellshadeslayer: sunday evening23:34
RiddellI'm away until then23:34
Riddelldunno where23:35
Riddelldunno what the options are 23:35
Riddellthe office has something on the street door saying escola joan miro23:35
valorieRiddell: you weren't kidding about the tanks heading your way!23:35
valorieseems the spanish gov. is not very reasonable23:36
Riddellnope, they really do know how to make people want to vote Si 23:36
shadeslayerMiro school?23:37
Riddelldunno where that is23:37
Riddellthere will be somehwer near raval I'm sure23:37
Riddelljust wait for it to be stuck on one of our flat door23:37
shadeslayerk heading to bed23:40
shadeslayerRiddell: heh23:40
shadeslayerah well23:40
shadeslayerWe can ask Aleix if there's a site where we can find out23:40
Riddellgencat.cat I think23:42
Riddellbut it didn't list them when I looked23:42
shadeslayerthere's also assemblea.cat23:43
shadeslayermaybe they list them23:43
shadeslayerRiddell: http://www.participa2014.cat/com-puc-participar.html23:43
shadeslayerahaha23:43
shadeslayerneeds ID card23:43
shadeslayeryou don't have one23:44
shadeslayeryou don't get to vote? :P23:44
shadeslayerah you can vote from 10th to 25th maybe23:44
shadeslayerRiddell: http://www.participa2014.cat/onpucparticipar/23:47
Riddellshadeslayer: you need to elpadronise23:48
RiddellI have that23:48
Riddellthat was no problem23:48
shadeslayeryay23:48
shadeslayerTrying to figure out what the 3rd field in there is23:48
Riddellwhich is what makes me think a catalan government will be more efficient than a spanish one for beurocracy23:49
shadeslayerRiddell: I think we have to go here https://www.google.es/maps/place/Ronda+de+Sant+Pau,+72,+08001+Barcelona/@41.3829387,2.1650108,16z/data=!4m7!1m4!3m3!1s0x12a4a260847a8ea3:0xbd0c984842240359!2sRonda+de+Sant+Pau,+72,+08001+Barcelona!3b1!3m1!1s0x12a4a260847a8ea3:0xbd0c984842240359?hl=en23:50
Riddellat mercat st antoni?23:51
shadeslayeryeah23:51
shadeslayerAdreça: rda. Sant Pau, 7223:51
Riddellgroovy23:52

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