[07:16] <soee> good morning
[08:29] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:08] <Riddell> bon dia
[09:10] <lordievader> How is Riddell doing this fine day?
[09:16] <Riddell> actually a little wonky in my head which is annoying but happens rarely these days
[09:16] <Riddell> http://perezmeyer.blogspot.com.es/2014/11/early-announce-qt4-removal-in-jessie1.html debian want to remove qt4, that's ambitious
[09:17] <lordievader> Doesn't sound nice...
[09:19] <Riddell> shrug, such is life with a head injury, I'll drink some Cacaolat to get over it
[09:21] <valorie> sounds like you are healing well, Riddell
[09:22] <Riddell> I only need cacaolat now, no longer do I require irn bru, it's a definate step up :)
[09:23] <_Groo_> bom dia
[09:23] <Riddell> bom?
[09:23] <_Groo_> yep
[09:23] <_Groo_> im portuguese, i know what im talking about
[09:24] <valorie> I never had any spanish chocolate!
[09:24] <valorie> coffee was good, though
[09:24] <apachelogger> how is spanish chocolate a thing :O
[09:26] <_Groo_> try brazilian coffee, its nice :D
[09:30] <valorie> apachelogger: we savored the Viennese chocolate I brought back
[09:30] <valorie> it's gone, though
[09:30] <valorie> :(
[09:31] <apachelogger> I am sure someone could send some :P
[09:32] <valorie> no temptation!
[09:32] <valorie> trying to run again
[09:33] <valorie> I mean, not this minute, since it is 1:30 am and I intend to look in on Scarlett's grilling
[09:33]  * apachelogger looks at the pandaboard and goes Oo
[09:33] <apachelogger> I think some yearly cron just started 
[09:33] <apachelogger> disco lights party going on here
[09:33] <apachelogger> valorie: ^^
[09:35]  * valorie throws confetti
[09:35] <valorie> any time is party time
[09:55] <Riddell> how's this as advertising shots for the kubuntu polo shirts? https://www.flickr.com/photos/jriddell/15100445193/in/photostream/
[09:59] <valorie> that isn't a polo!
[09:59] <valorie> is it?
[09:59] <valorie> but cute
[10:01] <Riddell> yes it is
[10:01] <Riddell> it's a shame my phone has such a waterlogged camera
[10:02] <valorie> should be closer up and better lighting
[10:02] <valorie> waterlogged?
[10:02] <Riddell> it's a waterpoof phone that I take canoeing but it'll get some moisture in it
[10:02] <valorie> looks like the lens needs cleaning
[10:02] <valorie> ah
[10:02] <Riddell> which gives that classy soft focus to the photos
[10:02] <valorie> but she's young and cute, doesn't need the soft focus
[10:03] <valorie> lol
[10:03] <valorie> that's for us Women of a Certain Age
[10:58] <Riddell> http://www.pcworld.com/article/2842962/kubuntu-15-04-embraces-kdes-plasma-5-desktop.html "Kubuntu 15.04 embraces KDE's Plasma 5 desktop"
[11:00] <Riddell> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/10/kubuntu-15-04-vivid-plasma-5-desktop-default "Kubuntu 15.04 Will Use Plasma 5 Desktop by Default"
[11:00] <Riddell> "Unity may be same ol’, same ol’ for Vivid, but it’s great to hear there’ll be plenty of vivid versioning happening elsewhere." :)
[11:01] <_Groo_> :)
[11:01] <_Groo_> can someone take a look at the amd64 builds in ci? im crying a river over here, its broken all over the place. i386 are building just fine
[11:55] <Riddell> kde-workspace fails to upload "systemsettings_4.11.12-0ubuntu2_arm64.deb: Version older than that in the archive. 4:4.11.12-0ubuntu2 <= 4:5.1.0.1-0ubuntu1" guess it's time to kill it
[12:14] <Quintasan> Hi
[12:15] <Riddell> hola Quintasan 
[12:25] <yofel> RIP kde-workspace, long live plasma-workspace ^^
[12:39] <soee> there was LibreOffice upgrade last days, but the theming does not work right ?
[12:39] <soee> so it was only  app version upgrade not integration
[12:43] <sgclark> morning
[12:43] <yofel> hey
[12:44] <Riddell> sgclark: yes
[12:44] <Riddell> it's sgclark!
[13:12] <sgclark> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8851581/
[13:13]  * Riddell looks
[13:14] <Riddell> sgclark: does shlibs make k3b depend on libk3b6-extracodecs ?
[13:14] <Riddell> sgclark: or did you leave in the recommends when it should have been replaced with the suggests?
[13:15] <sgclark> Riddell: you did it when you packaged it last
[13:15] <sgclark> maybe it does not apply anymore?
[13:16] <Riddell> I did what?
[13:16] <sgclark> Riddell: well when you merged it last rather
[13:16] <Riddell> sgclark: have you removed  Recommends: libk3b6-extracodecs  ?
[13:16] <sgclark> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8851636/
[13:17] <Riddell> "Suggest, not recommend libk3b6-extracodecs (Cannot be on the CD)" is still valid
[13:17] <sgclark> Riddell: ahh it seems to be in both places
[13:18] <sgclark> ok, thank you
[13:18] <sgclark> merge + new release is fun! not
[13:20] <sgclark> Riddell: what about: Do not install unused scalable icons to save space
[13:32] <bukai__> Riddell: In the test.kubuntu.co.uk, blogs is just given as a heading but there are none present. Can I include your blogs and ask others for the links?
[13:38] <apachelogger> trusty upgrade broke my pandaboard
[13:38] <apachelogger> :'<
[13:51] <Riddell> bukai__: the important "blog" to include is the news posts which are part of the kubuntu website
[13:51] <Riddell> http://test.kubuntu.co.uk/category/news
[13:51] <Riddell> although there's lots more since that was imported http://www.kubuntu.org/news/
[13:52] <Riddell> you could include a feed for some other blogs like Kubuntu Wire or developer blogs if you think it's appropriate
[13:52] <Riddell> sgclark: there were some .svgz icons that were installed but which were not used, they still won't be used
[13:52] <sgclark> ok thank you
[14:01] <sgclark> sheesh I can certainly see the value in DEP3 patch headers now
[14:02] <Riddell> if they're kubuntu patches they should be named with kubuntu and they should have their full name searchable in the changelog
[14:02] <Riddell> I as smart enough to apply that rule early on
[14:02] <sgclark> ok
[14:02] <bukai__> Riddell: I was thinking of including around 4 blogs in the main page and the rest in the news section
[14:03] <Riddell> news is stories posted on kubuntu.org, it shouldn't include random other blogs
[14:04] <Riddell> another block for random other blogs that are relevant to kubuntu might be nice but it's not important
[14:04] <Riddell> but kubuntu wire is the only one we have that's not just a personal blog
[14:16] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[14:16] <sgclark> hey
[14:26] <bukai__> Riddell: Ok, so 1 blog is kubuntu wire that will be going on the first page. And rest three I will choose from the stories in kubuntu.org?
[14:27] <Riddell> bukai__: I don't understand, http://www.kubuntu.org/news is a blog and it has several stories of which it might be good to show the latest three or four on the front page
[14:27] <Riddell> http://wire.kubuntu.org/ is another blog and it might be good to show the three or four latest on the front page
[14:28] <Riddell> it should also have prominant links to https://twitter.com/kubuntu https://plus.google.com/107577785796696065138/posts and http://facebook.com/kubuntu.org
[14:29] <Riddell> and maybe include content from them if possible
[14:33] <bukai__> Riddell: ok, I shall take 2 from each for the front page, as we are sticking to the second theme so too many will make it clumsy .
[14:34] <Riddell> cool
[14:40] <soee> bukai__: what theme ? :)
[14:42]  * Riddell removes kde-workspace
[14:58] <bukai__> soee: I am making one myself
[15:01] <bukai__> but I am using, http://www.gewest13.nl/nl/werk , as a guideline :)
[15:03] <Riddell> bukai__: by the way what else do you do when not being an elite kubuntu wordpress developer?
[15:05] <bukai__> Riddell: Currently I am a final year student, I am porting klettres and also developing a new level for the same.
[15:05] <Riddell> bukai__: doing computer science?
[15:06] <Riddell> bukai__: do I guess right you're from India?
[15:09] <bukai__> Riddell: yes, I am doing my B.Tech in Computer Science . 
[15:10] <Riddell> bukai__: is any of this part of your dissertation or project?
[15:10] <Riddell> I think everyone should do some open source development as part of their dissertation, I'm always amazed how few people do
[15:12] <bukai__> No, sadly we are not allowed to select our own projects :(
[15:12] <Riddell> meh that sucks
[15:13] <bukai__> I am working on java card as my college project. 
[15:13] <bukai__> Riddell: Yes, it really sucks.
[15:13] <Riddell> ah java, universities do love it
[15:13] <bukai__> :) 
[15:15] <sgclark> yeah I couldn't choose mine either
[15:15] <Riddell> I wonder whatever happened to C#, I hear so little about it these days, maybe I'm just living in a free software bubble 
[15:16] <sgclark> Riddell: I will get our UOS scheduled one of these days, I keep running into every bug in the system possible.
[15:19] <Riddell> thanks!
[15:21] <Riddell> tsdgeos: no KDE Applications 14.12 Beta 1 yet?
[15:21] <bukai__> Riddell: I am adding meta tags for test.kubuntu should I so the same for kubuntu.org?
[15:22] <tsdgeos> Riddell: no
[15:22] <tsdgeos> Riddell: this evening maybe
[15:22] <Riddell> tsdgeos: let me know if I can help
[15:22] <tsdgeos> sure
[15:23] <Riddell> bukai__: only if it's easy to do so, not much point spending time on a website that we're about to replace
[15:25] <bukai__> Riddell: then it's of no use :)
[15:25] <Riddell> although I did just accidently delete the Plasma 5.1.1 tars I spend the morning making so I may not be the most reliable of hands
[15:29] <sgclark> doh
[15:41] <Riddell> ** sglcark kubuntu-dev membership meeting 21:00 today
[15:42]  * sgclark hides
[15:42] <Riddell> 21:00UTC
[15:44] <sgclark> who is sglcark? :)
[15:44] <Riddell> I head she's an elite packager who doesn't know how to spell clerk :)
[16:12] <lordievader> Does ssdm work properly with systemd?
[16:13] <lordievader> I felt adventurous and enabled systemd.
[16:14] <sgclark> Pretty sure the answer is no, unless it has been fixed
[16:14] <Riddell> the package we have does not
[16:15] <lordievader> Okay, thanks for the answer. Lightdm also seems incompatible with systemd.
[16:16] <yofel> it shouldn't be
[16:16] <yofel> there is one bug about lightdm issues open though that's incomplete IIRC (as not really reproducable)
[16:16] <bukai__> Riddell: Shall I put the feature tour in the main page where, the images will be put in a laptop kind of a slider and you can slide through it , rather than putting it on the nav bar?
[16:16] <yofel> otherwise you'll have problems with lxc and nfs updates. Otherwise systemd works fine
[16:17] <Riddell> bukai__: that sounds cool yeah
[16:18] <lordievader> Hmm, the logs show that lightdm tries to connect to upstart then a few lines about PAM and kwallet. Then X dies. (It might just be my setup ;) )
[16:18] <bukai__> thanks :)
[16:18] <sgclark> Riddell: k3b is ready, but taking crazy long to start build. https://launchpad.net/~sgclark/+archive/ubuntu/kubuntu-vivid/+packages. I have to run some errands before my demise, I mean dev membership.
[16:19] <sgclark> so I will be back in a few
[16:24] <Riddell> thanks sgclark!
[16:34] <Riddell> sgclark: uploaded!
[17:05] <sgclark> back
[17:08] <soee> hey
[17:34] <bukai__> soee: Hi
[18:38] <jose> I knew a channel was missing :)
[18:39] <jose> sgclark: ping
[18:39] <sgclark> jose: pong
[18:40] <jose> sgclark: need any help with summit and that meeting being scheduled?
[18:40] <jose> have some time around here now
[18:40] <sgclark> jose: not sure what I did, I scheduled community instead of users. What is the difference?
[18:41] <jose> sgclark: so, users are for sessions that will be focused on users (probably tutorials, introductions to community, etc.), and community is for planning of community-driven stuff
[18:41] <jose> it appears you are a track lead for users, but I can give you a hand to schedule that 'community-tagged' meeting, I'm a track lead for both community and devops
[18:42] <sgclark> jose: hmm ours just might be both and devops lol, we are bundeling everything into an all in one as we do not have enough people to justify seperating it all
[18:43] <sgclark> jose: basically we will show new features of the plasma5 and then a Q&A discussion and then we will go into some technical details for thos that remain.
[18:43] <jose> devops is cloud stuff
[18:44] <sgclark> jose: our new CI etc
[18:44] <sgclark> jose: CI.. :)
[18:44] <jose> jinx'd
[18:44] <jose> erm
[18:44] <sgclark> jose: that is the techy stuff
[18:44] <jose> so, you wanna do both things in one session?
[18:44] <jose> probably the demoing could go in users, and the discussion could go in community
[18:45] <sgclark> jose: perhaps we could have back to back sessions
[18:45] <jose> most end-users will not be interested in backend things
[18:45] <sgclark> yeah
[18:45] <jose> yeah, one session following the other one
[18:45] <jose> that could work
[18:49] <sgclark> jose: so for the demo and Q&A split, sounds fine but I don't think we need an hour each for that. Anyway to split one meetting for two tracks? lol
[18:49] <jose> hehe, not that I'm aware of
[18:49] <sgclark> hmm
[18:49] <jose> and all meetings are 55 mins long this time
[18:49] <sgclark> CI could possibly take an hour if we have enough interest, it really is a good topic
[18:50] <jose> and catchy titles also help!
[18:50] <sgclark> ok
[18:51] <sgclark> still not sure what to do about the original problem haha, Would users be better? As showing off plasma5 definately would not fit with community.
[18:53] <jose> I think users is fine
[18:53] <jose> just change the blueprint spec name
[18:53] <sgclark> ok
[18:54] <sgclark> and I will create a new one for our CI work for devops
[19:01] <jose> cool
[19:01] <jose> let me know if you need scheduling
[19:01] <jose> if I'm not around on IRC, I'll read backlog as soon as I reconnect
[19:01] <sgclark> jose: ty for your help!
[19:02] <jose> thanks to you for helping lead users this UOS :)
[19:07] <jose> sgclark: mind a quick PM?
[19:07] <sgclark> jose: go ahead
[19:25] <sgclark> jose: I made a CI one for devops but I cannot seem to approve the blueprint even though I am listed as such
[19:25] <jose> ok, let me check...
[19:27] <jose> sgclark: link, please
[19:27] <sgclark> jose: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ci/+spec/devops1411-kubuntu-continuous-integration
[19:28] <jose> already accepted for the sprint
[19:28] <jose> make sure to name it track-1411, not track1411
[19:28] <jose> summit is set to pull info from lp every certain time
[19:36] <sgclark> gotcha thanks jose!
[19:36] <jose> np
[19:36] <sgclark> both fixed
[19:39] <sgclark> jose: CI still says 
[19:39] <sgclark> Direction:
[19:39] <sgclark> Needs approval
[19:39] <sgclark> and no option to approve
[19:40] <jose> don't change anything
[19:40] <jose> just approve
[19:40] <jose> cjohnston said that if you change anything summit will not pick it up
[19:40] <jose> summit's weird
[19:40] <sgclark> I can't
[19:55] <Riddell> hola
[19:56]  * sgclark waves
[20:00] <sgclark> Riddell:  tsdgeos was asking about kf5 in vivid in #kde-devel
[20:05] <Riddell> sgclark: thanks, replied
[20:05] <Riddell> plasma 5.1.1 is up if anyone wants to take it on
[20:05] <sgclark> I can later
[20:06] <sgclark> start it anyway
[20:06] <sgclark> did I see an announcement for the apps?
[20:06] <sgclark> that should be umm fun heh
[20:09] <sgclark> Riddell: also I am guessing I should backport k3b..? some significant fixes
[20:09] <Riddell> dunno if it's been announced but lots of them http://download.kde.org/unstable/applications/14.11.80/
[20:10] <sgclark> Riddell: and we need to couple merges with those correct?
[20:10] <Riddell> sgclark: it would be nice, but remember to have some downtime as well :)
[20:10] <sgclark> Riddell: my downtime is spent on SoK, lol I need to find time for sleep!
[20:11]  * sgclark thinks she may have over extended herself
[20:13] <sgclark> ok taking a quick break before my grilling :) be back in 30
[20:19] <Riddell> sgclark: yeah I guess so, for each app merge it with debian, put it in debian git, if it's got a kf5 port then redo the packaging for that
[20:27] <sgclark> Riddell: ok
[20:39]  * shadeslayer hopes apachelogger will be around for grilling
[20:39]  * sgclark does too
[20:42] <soee> woho 5.4.0 99% green :)
[20:42] <shadeslayer> I should figure out what I'm going to ask
[20:43] <shadeslayer> soee: yeah, packaging shouldn't ever be red now :p
[20:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: l10n
[20:45] <shadeslayer> pft, even I am not fully aware of that stuff
[20:45]  * shadeslayer knows what to ask
[20:46] <apachelogger> just sayin that's why it wasnt green
[20:46] <soee> shadeslayer: what about apps beta1 ?
[20:46] <sgclark> soee: we have not started that yet
[20:46] <soee> sgclark: ok, thank you
[20:52] <Riddell> soee: apps 14.12 is an empty canvas just waiting for helpful people to help out
[20:53] <Riddell> fabo, debfx, apachelogger, Quintasan, yofel, shadeslayer, ScottK: meeting in #ubuntu-meeting for sgclark membership in 8 minuts
[20:53] <shadeslayer> yo yo
[20:53] <Quintasan> Right.
[20:53] <sgclark> not here?
[20:54] <Riddell> I quite like #ubuntu-meeting cos then some non-kubuntu people will see that kubuntu people are getting a new member (potentially)
[20:54]  * sgclark is more scared now with strangers involved O.o
[20:58] <yofel> o/
[21:01] <Riddell> ** #ubuntu-meeting now?
[21:01] <Riddell> ** #ubuntu-meeting now!
[21:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: if you add an upstream patch it would be super lovely if you could merge it into unstable locally, then drop the upstream patch in unstable then push unstable and then push next
[21:02] <apachelogger> completely pointless build failures that causes
[21:03] <yofel> er, commit in next, merge next into unstable, remove patch from unstable then push both? Or did I misunderstand that?
[21:05] <apachelogger> exactly
[21:05] <yofel> k
[21:06] <Riddell> all sounds very faffy
[21:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: the option is to not make upstream patches
[21:08] <Riddell> can't the automerger worker it out?
[21:09] <apachelogger> on the list of code to be written that has about as low a priority as a thing could have
[21:20] <apachelogger> and I thought jar was just zip
[21:22] <yofel> well, true. You could count a jar that contains sources as shipping sources in some way
[21:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I could ask the question you did not manage to answer at your quiz
[21:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: go for it
[22:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so what's with me and being scared?
[22:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: your questions scare the shit out of me still
[22:01] <yofel> kubotu: order fireworks
[22:01]  * kubotu slides fireworks down the bar to yofel
[22:01] <shadeslayer> heh
[22:01] <shadeslayer> silly kubotu
[22:01]  * yofel fires them away to celebrate sgclark
[22:01] <yofel> we need to improve on that :P
[22:01] <apachelogger> might be becuase you have a psychological trauma
[22:01] <apachelogger> those were mostly questions from your interview 
[22:02] <shadeslayer> yeah
[22:02] <shadeslayer> to both of those statements :P
[22:02]  * sgclark cheers
[22:03] <shadeslayer> my flatmates just went out, now I feel like partying too :(
[22:03] <Riddell> thanks a lot for helping kubuntu sgclark 
[22:04] <shadeslayer> ^^
[22:05]  * Riddell goes home to bed
[22:05] <soee> sgclark: gratz :D
[22:09] <sgclark> thanks!
[23:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: re core dev, question is, why would I want to apply
[23:09] <shadeslayer> I'm not really uploading core stuff 
[23:12] <valorie> shadeslayer: for the tiara you get!
[23:12] <sgclark> lol
[23:13] <valorie> All Things Sparkly
[23:13] <shadeslayer> They hand out tiara's to core devs? :O
[23:14] <valorie> try it and see!
[23:14] <valorie> there has to be something to top the title Master of the Universe
[23:15] <valorie> you get the He-Man sword with that one, right?
[23:31] <Riddell> shadeslayer: cos then you can be elite and get on sru team or archive admin or the like 
[23:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh you're alive
[23:31] <shadeslayer> and by alive I mean not sleeping
[23:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Where do you plan to go to vote?
[23:32]  * shadeslayer wants to join
[23:34] <Riddell> shadeslayer: sunday evening
[23:34] <Riddell> I'm away until then
[23:35] <Riddell> dunno where
[23:35] <Riddell> dunno what the options are 
[23:35] <Riddell> the office has something on the street door saying escola joan miro
[23:35] <valorie> Riddell: you weren't kidding about the tanks heading your way!
[23:36] <valorie> seems the spanish gov. is not very reasonable
[23:36] <Riddell> nope, they really do know how to make people want to vote Si 
[23:37] <shadeslayer> Miro school?
[23:37] <Riddell> dunno where that is
[23:37] <Riddell> there will be somehwer near raval I'm sure
[23:37] <Riddell> just wait for it to be stuck on one of our flat door
[23:40] <shadeslayer> k heading to bed
[23:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: heh
[23:40] <shadeslayer> ah well
[23:40] <shadeslayer> We can ask Aleix if there's a site where we can find out
[23:42] <Riddell> gencat.cat I think
[23:42] <Riddell> but it didn't list them when I looked
[23:43] <shadeslayer> there's also assemblea.cat
[23:43] <shadeslayer> maybe they list them
[23:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://www.participa2014.cat/com-puc-participar.html
[23:43] <shadeslayer> ahaha
[23:43] <shadeslayer> needs ID card
[23:44] <shadeslayer> you don't have one
[23:44] <shadeslayer> you don't get to vote? :P
[23:44] <shadeslayer> ah you can vote from 10th to 25th maybe
[23:47] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://www.participa2014.cat/onpucparticipar/
[23:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you need to elpadronise
[23:48] <Riddell> I have that
[23:48] <Riddell> that was no problem
[23:48] <shadeslayer> yay
[23:48] <shadeslayer> Trying to figure out what the 3rd field in there is
[23:49] <Riddell> which is what makes me think a catalan government will be more efficient than a spanish one for beurocracy
[23:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I think we have to go here https://www.google.es/maps/place/Ronda+de+Sant+Pau,+72,+08001+Barcelona/@41.3829387,2.1650108,16z/data=!4m7!1m4!3m3!1s0x12a4a260847a8ea3:0xbd0c984842240359!2sRonda+de+Sant+Pau,+72,+08001+Barcelona!3b1!3m1!1s0x12a4a260847a8ea3:0xbd0c984842240359?hl=en
[23:51] <Riddell> at mercat st antoni?
[23:51] <shadeslayer> yeah
[23:51] <shadeslayer> Adreça: rda. Sant Pau, 72
[23:52] <Riddell> groovy