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MichaelHabibhi, I'm trying to find a way to stop the "auto opening" of new created files .  When I create a New File, it opens up with Kate and that's not the program i want it opened with.04:35
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lordievaderGood morning.08:29
Saphyelgmornin' lordievader08:55
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Saphyelfine, trying to work and you?08:59
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lordievaderSaphyel: Nice guess ;) Did you lookup my ip?09:44
SaphyelI didn't need it, with /whois is enough xD09:45
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jtornero2hello all. I'm having some trouble after messing with ltsp. The matter is that I am not able to boot in my machine but inside ltsp0 instead.11:01
jtornero2I think, after some irc with ltsp people, that I've messed up the boot sequence. But don't know in which way, and how can it be reverted11:03
jtornero2does anyone have any direction? I'm in a big trouble, providing this is my workstation11:13
jtornero2grub.cfg is in http://pastebin.com/B7jxN40i maybe it is useful11:14
oromodaYou should ask lordievader maybe asap.11:15
jtornero2thanks oromoda11:20
lordievader!pm | jtornero211:27
ubottujtornero2: Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can help you, benefit from your questions and answers, and ensure that you're not getting bad advice.11:27
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lordievaderjtornero2: Anyhow, what seems to be the issue?11:28
jtornero2My apologies(thought it was better no to "bore" the other people), The issue is that I11:32
lordievaderjtornero2: This channel is logged, might be usefull for people with the same problem later on.11:33
jtornero2restarted my machine this morning and wasn't able to boot again. Instead, I am able to get (through tty1) a console login but instead of "my machine" i get ltsp0 as machine. Boot proccess stops at "stopping system V runlevel comaptibility"11:33
lordievaderjtornero2: I'm not familiar with ltsp, could you give some more details?11:34
Walexjtornero2: your report seems confused both in terminology and concept11:34
Walexjtornero2: if you «wasn't able to boot again» how can you «get (through tty1) a console login»?11:35
lordievaderWalex: I was wondering the same thing..11:36
jtornero2walex: Sorry. I'm so confused, sorry about my language. When I said boot again I mean end up with my lovel KDE and my "usual" system11:36
Walexjtornero2: was your hardware swapped by the evil LTSP team overnight? :-)11:36
Walexjtornero2: because I am note sure whether by «i get ltsp0 as machine» you are reporting that the "hostname" of your OS changed or you got a completely different hw or a completely different installed system...11:37
Walexjtornero2: perhaps the issue is that you, without realizing it, cionfigured your existing system as a server for LTSP and with a different hostname, but your system is otherwise unchanged, so there is no reason to panic.11:38
jtornero2Sequence: 1) I switch on my machine. 2) Choose the usual menu item in grub menu at the beggining. 3) Boot sequence ends in what I pointe d out before (Stopping system V....) 3) I press ctrl-alt-F1 and I am able to log in with my habitual credentials...11:39
Walexjtornero2: for example when you login to the console, do you find your usual files and partitions etc.?11:39
jtornero2ok, Walex, that's the point. I don't get that. I get another linux-kind filesystem. All the rest of my data and partitions are still there (was able to find it with a live distro)11:40
Walexjtornero2: it is already good that you can login «with my habitual credentials», that suggests nothing fundamental has really changed11:40
Walexjtornero2: then the questions is whether you have reinstalled a different distribution on the "root" partition of your machine or just reconfigured it.11:41
jtornero2As ltsp-people said, after I told them, maybe it is matter of having installed ltsp-client in the same machine that should act as a server, that messes up everthing11:41
Walexjtornero2: reinstallation is unlikely because your userid and password are still there.11:42
Walexjtornero2: what do you see when you do 'cat /etc/issue'?11:42
jtornero2Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS \n \l11:43
Walexjtornero2: and 'lsb_release -d' says the same I hope...11:43
jtornero2Yes11:43
Walexjtornero2: that is very encouraging.11:43
Walexjtornero2: now try to do this: 'sudo telinit 3'11:44
jtornero2Walex: but, for instance, it complaints about not founding dpkg when doing the "obvious" apt-get remove ltsp and stuff11:44
Walexjtornero2: that's not so awesome.11:44
jtornero2Wales: done and nothing happens11:44
Walexjtornero2: can you 'ping 8.8.8.8'?11:45
jtornero2Walex: No. runlevel command raises /var/run/utmp not found11:46
Walexjtornero2: can you copy-and-paste to 'pastebinit' on another system?11:46
Walexjtornero2: it may be that you are inside a "restricted" environment such as a LTSP client environment.11:47
jtornero2Walex: Depends. If it is something I can paste when booting with a live distro (i have benn looking around with a old gparted live), yes. If not, it is difficult. Right now irc-ing with another machine, and old laptop.11:48
jtornero2Walex: But I have to do whatever I have to do!!11:49
jtornero2Walex: yes, it looks like that, after what ltsp people told me. And makes a lot of sense. The client won't never starts as the server (the same machine) neither will do11:51
jtornero2Walex: so I guess the point is to prevent booting from that restricted environment11:53
jtornero2Walex: I'm able to operate... how should I start?12:13
Walexjtornero2: sorry, brief away-from-keyboard12:17
Walexjtornero2: please put onto paste.debian.net the output of 'ps xu' or even better of 'ps axu'12:18
Walexjtornero2: to figure out the chain of processes that booted into the current runlevel12:18
Walexjtornero2: also the output of 'df -T -BG'12:19
Walexjtornero2: and that of 'blkid | sort'12:19
jtornero2Walex: Ok, let see how I perform that12:21
Walexjtornero2: also what kind of boot menu did you see at boot?12:22
jtornero2Walex typical kubuntu 14.04 grub menu (version 2.02 beta2-9ubuntu112:22
jtornero2Walex: I've to restart the machine to be able to export the outputs to the pastebin. Would you need any other information or can I proceed?12:29
cmt29since upgrade to 14.10 my internet stops working after around 10-30 seconds when connected via wireless. Any ideas?12:31
Walexjtornero2: just proceed.12:35
jtornero2Walex: OK. In a while I paste the first two commands. But I can tell you in advance that the blkid command outputs nothing12:37
Walexjtornero2: what is most likely happening is that you are being logged into a LTSP "chroot", and the way out is to figure out how, so you can login in the full account12:37
Walexjtornero2: 'sudo blkid' too?12:38
jtornero2Walex: aaargh! wait a second!12:41
jtornero2Walex: yes, sudoing the command makes sense12:41
jtornero2Walex: command output are at http://paste.debian.net/13053312:51
jtornero2Walex: sda3 and sda2 are mounted to be able to save the output commands and recover then booting from a live distro12:57
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Walexjtornero2: sorry, distracted again...13:01
Walexjtornero2: but if the 'ps' output is from the actual system and not from the live CD (and it is seems from the actual system) your login is likely not inside a 'chroot'...13:04
jtornero2the ps output is from wherever i boot into... don't know if a chroot but in any case it's not my usual system13:06
jtornero2Walex: pretty annoying issue?13:11
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paradox_hello13:28
paradox_anyone has problem with Kubuntu 14.10. with plazma 5, not being able to save custom shortcuts13:28
paradox_?13:29
lordievader!plasma513:29
ubottuKubuntu Plasma 5 is a tech preview. To test it out, see http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-plasma5/daily-live/current/ . If you find a bug, you can also check it with kubuntu-ci images for latest builds.13:29
lordievaderparadox_: File a bug ;)13:29
paradox_will do, just wanted to make sure it's not something i did13:30
jtornero2Walex: any other idea?13:31
lordievaderparadox_: Last time I tried it I had the same problem. Never filled a bug about it... guess it never got fixed.13:32
Walexjtornero2: sorry, being taken away again. I am now going to be here for a while I hope13:44
Walexjtornero2: the thing that seems to indicate a 'chroot' is that 'dpkg' is missing...13:46
Walexjtornero2: what does 'ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/' look like? Also 'ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/dpkg*'13:47
Walexjtornero2: my current working hypothesis is that your system is basically unchanged, but that your personal account is being logged into a 'chroot'.13:48
lordievaderWouldn't that show up in /etc/passwd?13:49
Walexlordievader: that's one other check to do, but it may show up in the '/etc/passwd' in the containing system, not necessarily the 'chrooted' one.13:50
jtornero2Walex: I really appreciate your return and help, believeme. The ouput of both commands (with sudo or not) indicate that the file doesn't exists13:50
Walexlordievader: at some point I am going to suggest booting with 'init=/bin/bash'13:50
lordievaderFrom following this discussion from bit to bit leads me to conclude that ltsp is something nasty.13:51
Walexjtornero2: if '/var/lib/dpkg/info/' is empty or missing instead of existing and having hundreds of files either your system is very badly damaged or you are running inside a 'chroot'13:51
Walexlordievader: no, it is pretty good, but it assumes that you run the client sw on different machine from the server...13:52
Walexlordievader: http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Concepts#The_LTSP_chroot_environment13:52
Walexlordievader: basically it turns the clients into remote X terminals for VM-like 'chroot' instances on the server.13:53
Walexlordievader: "jtornero2" sort of confessed mixing the two.13:53
lordievaderHmm, so not like PXE thinclient booting ;)13:53
Walexlordievader: PXE X terminal booting when done right on client machines :-)13:54
lordievaderHmm the mini linux distro is likely to be PXE'ed.13:54
jtornero2Walex: well, actually not sort of confessed... completely confessed13:54
Walexlordievader: yes, but the mini distro only contains an X server :-)13:54
lordievaderHere we just provide a fluxbox desktop through PXE so users can RDP to our Windows server.13:55
Walexlordievader: LTSP is similar but with GNU/Linux (not quite the same though).13:55
lordievaderCheck13:55
Walexjtornero2: the goal now is to find an account on your base system that does not get you into a 'chroot'. So the best thing is probably to boot with 'init=/bin/bash' and then edit '/etc/passwd' and/or give your 'root' account a password so you can log into it directly13:57
Walexjtornero2: so reboot your machine and when the GRUB menu comes up type 'e' to enter edit mode.13:57
jtornero2Walex: ok13:57
jtornero2Walex: I'm in edit mode13:58
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Walexjtornero2: then use arrow keys to go down to the 'linux' line and append " init=/bin/bash" to it (without quotes)13:59
jtornero2Walex: done13:59
jtornero2Walex: guess I must boot now14:00
Walexyes, Ctrl-x IIRC14:01
Walexwhen you are in the boot shell, do 'mount -o remount,rw /'14:01
jtornero2Walex: bash:done14:01
Walexjtornero2: and after remount '/' RW, have a look at 'egrep "root|peo" /etc/passwd'14:02
Walexjtornero2: what kind of shell or home directory have they got?14:02
Walexjtornero2: the line for 'root' should look like "root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash"14:03
jtornero2Walex: wait a second. 'peo' was a fast-name for mounting the thing that time. I guess I should put my regular user instead peo?14:03
Walexjtornero2: yes.14:03
jtornero2Walex: Ok: antares:x:1000:1000:antares,,,:/home/antares/bin/bash14:04
Walexjtornero2: is "/home/antares/bin/bash" expected? Why is it not "/bin/bash"?14:04
lordievaderModified bash script/binary?14:05
jtornero2Walex: sorry, the final part is /home/antares:/bin/bash14:05
Walexjtornero2: that's fine then, but then I don't get how you end up in a 'chroot'.14:06
lordievaderUpstart service?14:06
Walexjtornero2: do you see now many files in 'ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/'?14:07
Walexlordievader: that would be horrifying :-)14:07
lordievaderWalex: It would be... but I wouldn't be surprised ;)14:07
Walexjtornero2: BTW, do you have a separate '/var/' partition?14:07
Walexjtornero2: look at 'cat /etc/fstab' for that14:08
jtornero2Walex: now my /etc/fstab just read "Dynamically generated by LTSP and just have a single line14:08
jtornero2Walex: but wait a second. I'll try to mount the sda partitions to see14:09
Walexjtornero2: what does that single line look like?14:09
Walexjtornero2: you seem to have tried to configure your system as LTSP "thick" client14:09
jtornero2Walex: proc /proc proc nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 014:10
lordievaderHehe :P14:10
lordievaderWhat a mess.14:10
Walexjtornero2: I need to have a look inside the LTSP client package because "lordievader" is probably quite right that having setup your system as a LTSP "thick" client there is an 'upstart' script that boots you into a LTSP client environment.14:11
Walexjtornero2: wait a bit14:11
Walexjtornero2: in the meantime try: 'ls -l /etc/init/ltsp*'14:13
jtornero2Walex: ltsp-client-core.conf and ltsp-cluster.accountmanager.conf14:14
WalexI think that 'ltsp-cluster.accountmanager.conf' is for the server part, and indeed 'ltsp-client-core.conf' is probably the source of much of your trouble.14:15
BluesKajHey folks14:16
jtornero2Walex: guess is not going to be as easy as 'rm ltsp-client-core.conf'14:17
Walexjtornero2: it could be as easy as that...14:18
lordievaderjtornero2: Could you pastebin that script?14:18
Walexjtornero2: and then removing the 'ltsp-client' package.14:18
Walexjtornero2: I just looked at that script14:18
Walexlordievader: he cannot easily, but I can, wait a sec14:18
Walexlordievader: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8852327/14:19
Walexlordievader: and this is '/usr/share/ltsp/ltsp-init-common': http://paste.ubuntu.com/8852329/14:19
jtornero2Walex: Thank you very much. My file looks exactly equal as the first pastebin. I'll look the next, hold a second14:20
lordievaderHmm, they don't seem to start chroots or something.14:22
Walexlordievader: because I think he installed the "thick" client stuff. So he may have turned his '/' filetree into a thick client one...14:23
lordievaderI.e. his install is nuked?14:23
Walexjtornero2: it would be exceptionally useful to figure out which partitions holds your '/var' filetree14:23
jtornero2Walex lodridevader: ok, let me boot with the live distro14:24
Walexlordievader: perhaps his install is nuked, but if that is the case it has been replaced by a mini-Ubuntu install, which can be easily upgraded to a full on14:24
Walexjtornero2: you don't need to boot the livedistro14:24
jtornero2Walex: too late :( It is just if I want to copy/paste whatever I can't do without that14:25
Walexjtornero2: do you remember the network parameters for your system?14:25
jtornero2Walex: more or less, but just my IP14:26
drandynisbetIm running kubuntu 14.04 LTS on an ARM Samsung Chromebook14:26
drandynisbetI'm getting an issue with installing swap on this device14:26
drandynisbetsudo mkswap -L "SWAP-PARTITION" /dev/sda114:26
drandynisbet more /etc/fstab LABEL="SWAP-PARTITION" none swap sw 0 014:27
drandynisbetsudo swapon -v -L "SWAP-PARTITION" swapon on /dev/sda1 swapon: /dev/sda1: found swap signature: version 1, page-size 4, same byte order swapon: /dev/sda1: pagesize=4096, swapsize=2147483648, devsize=2147483648 swapon: /dev/sda1: swapon failed: Invalid argument14:27
lordievader!paste | dashcloud14:27
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lordievader!paste | drandynisbet14:27
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lordievaderdashcloud: Whoops, sorry.14:27
lordievaderdrandynisbet: What happens when you simply run "sudo swapon"?14:28
drandynisbetswapon: /dev/sda1: swapon failed: Invalid argument14:29
drandynisbetI am booting from an external SD card14:30
drandynisbetI have tried to make  a swapfile on the SD card (same error)14:30
arthurfiggisdrandynisbet: out of curiousity when you installed, did you enable the "encrypted home directory" option? when i did that with 14.04 no swap file/partition was created at all, some sort of installer bug maybe...not sure about 14.10 i just used full disk encryption and left it off14:30
drandynisbetI have tried a partition on a USB drive14:31
drandynisbetsaem error,14:31
drandynisbetI am not using encryption, or at least I did not enable it14:31
lordievaderdrandynisbet: Make the swappartition without the label, and put it in fstab with /dev/sda1. Then try again.14:31
drandynisbetDone it already14:32
drandynisbetDone it using /dev/sda114:32
drandynisbetand wiuth UUID14:32
drandynisbetand with LABEL14:32
drandynisbetsaem error each time14:32
lordievaderdrandynisbet: Does a swap file work?14:33
drandynisbetnisbeta@arndale2:/$ cat /proc/swaps14:34
drandynisbetreturns14:34
drandynisbetFilenameTypeSizeUsedPriority14:34
arthurfiggisdrandynisbet: ahh okay...sorry that was probably not very helpful, it's just the first swap issue that came to mind so i figured i'd check it out anyway :)14:34
drandynisbetwith no entries14:34
drandynisbetso its not working14:34
jtornero2Walex: I've mounted all my sda's. In sda4 is where my dpkg/info folder is, and it contains a whole bunch of files14:34
drandynisbetAre you using an ARM chromebook? And are you using an external SD?14:35
lordievaderdrandynisbet: Who are you addressing here?14:35
drandynisbetIf anyone has got swap working on an ARMv7 chromebook, with an external SD install then I'd be interested to know how. I guess something is broken/turned off in the kernel.14:37
jtornero2Walex lordievader: 12835 files (.list, .md5sumds....)14:38
lordievaderdrandynisbet: A swapfile on ARMvX RPi works fine.14:39
lordievaderdrandynisbet: Hence the suggestion to use a swap file.14:39
drandynisbetHave you used the internal storage to install?14:39
drandynisbetto <lordievader>14:39
lordievaderdrandynisbet: What internal storage?14:39
lordievaderdrandynisbet: /boot is on the SD card, the rest is loaded through nfs.14:40
drandynisbetlordievader: the internal nonvolatile memory14:40
drandynisbetWe have nfs working, and have had automount working previously.14:41
lordievaderdrandynisbet: The RPi doesn't have any of that. (Unless you are referring to the SD card)14:41
drandynisbetMy target ... is  a Samsung Chromebook XE303C12-A10UK14:42
drandynisbetYou can install on its internal NVM or on an external SD or USB.14:42
drandynisbetIve installed on an SD card so it's /dev/mmcblk114:43
drandynisbetHow would I determine if  user directories were encrypted by default?14:44
lordievaderdrandynisbet: Ls their directory with root.14:44
drandynisbetI can see files, so I guess they are not encrypted?14:45
drandynisbetand more them ...14:45
drandynisbetsucessfully for text.14:45
lordievaderdrandynisbet: For ecryptfs you'd see a text file on how to unlock your home-dir.14:45
drandynisbetok so enryption is not a reason wh y swapon might fail (I have seen this issue mentioned in some of the wikis) for me14:46
drandynisbetAnother user had the same problem on archlinux http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=733714:47
Walexjtornero2: that's good14:51
jtornero2Walex: I really want to believe that :)14:52
Walexjtornero2: did you find where the other partitions should be mounted?14:52
jtornero2Walex: oh yes, I am able to remount all the tree (well, my home is a little tricky due to some issues in the past) but the important things, yes I do14:53
Walexjtornero2: you still in the liveCD?14:53
Walexjtornero2: what kind of liveCD is it?14:53
jtornero2Walex: a gparted live from 201314:54
Walexjtornero2: that's a bit thin. Do you have an Ubuntu install/rescue disk?14:54
Walexjtornero2: never mind...14:54
jtornero2I have my Kubuntu 14.04 LTS dvd14:55
Walexjtornero2: make a note of which partitions should be mounted where...14:55
jtornero2Walex: just one thing, /tmp not pretty sure, but it should have plugtmp folder inside?14:56
Walexjtornero2: never mind about '/tmp' as it just be a directory on '/' anyhow14:56
kbroulikwhat could happen if I take away all rights on .xsession-errors so nobody (especially not the "this should neverh appen" spam) could write in there?14:57
jtornero2Walex: it is just I have a partition for this, I guess14:57
Walexjtornero2: that can be fixed later...14:57
Walexjtornero2: the plan I have in mind is to get you to 'chroot' into your system from a Ubuntu-like liveCD, as working from the 'init=/bin/bash' prompt is a bit uncomfortable and has some downsides.14:58
Walexjtornero2: are you familiar with using 'screen'?14:58
jtornero2Walex, just for peeking /dev/ttyS0 and related stuff14:59
Walexjtornero2: but do you know the commands to create sessions in it etc?15:00
jtornero2Walex: but know enogh for ctrl+a and :q to quit15:00
Walexjtornero2: good enough15:00
Walexjtornero2: then reboot with 'init=/bin/bash' as before and then when you are in BASH start 'screen'15:00
jtornero2Walex: no, but I have this laptop and the machine, so the googling could do the trick15:00
jtornero2Walex: ok15:00
jtornero2Walex: when screen, got '/var/run/screen/S-root': Read-only filesystem15:02
lordievaderjtornero2: Remount it rw ;)15:02
Walexjtornero2: you need to 'mount -o remount,rw /' as before... Forgot to remind you of that.15:03
Walexjtornero2: do that from outside 'screen'.15:03
Walexjtornero2: do 'ps t' to check whether you are inside 'screen'15:03
jtornero2wait a second, forgot to remount15:03
jtornero2Walex: screen on15:04
Walexnow mount on '/var' the appropriate partition and the same for '/usr'15:04
jtornero2Walex: I sent ps t and got tw lines (/bin/sh and ps t) but prompt just # I guess it is correct15:05
Walexjtornero2: and which TTY did it list?15:06
jtornero2Walex: lost those lines, I'll start over (my font size is like a airplane)15:07
jtornero2Walex: pts/015:09
Walexjtornero2: that's good, you are indeed inside 'screen' which helps15:09
Walexjtornero2: have you mounted the partitions with '/usr' and '/var' in them?15:10
jtornero2Walex: I'll mount /var then. /usr is already mounted because / is mounted15:10
jtornero2Walex: /var mounted15:10
jtornero2Walex: sorry, maybe I've not explained well: When booting, /dev/sda2 is mounted, which means that I've / filesystem mounted.15:14
jtornero2Walex: In that partition I had / with man other folders but I have /var in a partition apart (/dev/sda4)15:15
Walexjtornero2: what does 'ls -ld /usr/bin/dppkg*' list?15:15
Walexjtornero2: what does 'ls -ld /usr/bin/dpkg*' list?15:15
jtornero2Walex: 2 files15:16
jtornero2Walex: sorry 24 files15:17
Walexjtornero2: that's good15:17
Walexjtornero2: now 'dpkg -l "ltsp*"'15:17
jtornero2Walex: it outputs a nice tabulated info screen with: ltsp-client, ltsp-client-co,ltsp-cluster-a,ltsp-docs,ltsp-server,ltsp-server-standalone,ltsp-utils,ltspfs,ltspfsd and ltspfsd-core packages. Columns are trimmed but first column shows 'ii'15:20
Walexjtornero2: good, good15:20
Walexjtornero2: then I would suggest 'dpkg --purge' at least the "ltsp-client" ones :-)15:22
Walexthe package description for 'ltsp-client' says: "DO NOT install this package on a regular machine, it is intended only for installation inside a LTSP client file system." :-)15:22
Walexjtornero2: also 'dpkg --purge ltspfs'15:23
jtornero2Walex: Ok, let's see15:23
Walexfor those who are following: using 'screen' in the 'init=/bin/bash' case helps for various reasons, but the main one is that 'init=/bin/bash' does not set up the TTY session properly.15:27
WalexI think that one can use 'init=/usr/bin/screen' directly, but on some systems '/usr' is not mounted at that point.15:27
jtornero2Walex: it complaints a little but I've managed to remove all. Time to reboot?15:29
Walexjtornero2: not yet...15:29
Walexjtornero2: almost.15:29
jtornero2Walex: ok15:29
* lordievader is curious to see if Walex will pull it off :)15:29
Walexjtornero2: 'service networking start' and 'ip a' and 'ip r'15:29
Walexlordievader: there is no question that there is a working Kubuntu install on the disk, so one way or another, it now depends on how much damage installed 'ltsp-client*' did and how to fix it.15:30
jtornero2Walex: done15:31
Walexjtornero2: and what did 'ip a' and 'ip r' say?15:31
Walexjust the dotted numbers...15:31
Walexjtornero2: do you recognize the dotted numbers?15:32
jtornero2Walex: yes I see a mac, I gueess. But the service start failed, I was "so excited"15:32
Walexjtornero2: so do you remember the IP address, gateway address and network mask?15:33
jtornero2Walex: initctl: Unable to connect to Upstart: failed to connecto to socket /com/unutu/upstart: connection refused15:33
Walexjtornero2: if your laptop is connected to the same network they can be easy to find or make up15:33
jtornero2Walex: yes, it is15:33
Walexjtornero2: ah yes, that's one of the problems with stupid init systems like 'systemd' (or even 'upstart'15:33
Walexjtornero2: so we need an IP address, gateway address, network prefix15:34
Walexjtornero2: in the meantime do 'echo nameserver 8.8.8.8 > /etc/resolv.conf'15:35
Walexwhen you have the numbers: ip a a $IPADDRESS/$PREFIX dev eth015:35
Walexand after that: ip r a default via $GATEWAYADDRESS15:36
jtornero2Walex: Wait a second. No resolv.conf15:36
Walexjtornero2: then first 'rm /etc/resolv.conf' and then the 'echo ....'15:36
Walexjtornero2: when you have done all that do 'apt-get update'15:37
jtornero2Walex: there is a resolv.conf (i see it when ls) but not able to reach.15:37
jtornero2Walex I'll do the rm then15:37
jtornero2Walex: done15:38
jtornero2Walex: network prefix is?15:39
Walexjtornero2: usually something like /2415:40
Walexjtornero2: or use the netmask that usually looks like '255.255.255.0'15:40
jtornero2Walex: in this windows laptop the netmask is 255.255.0.0 so i should use that I guess15:40
Walexjtornero2: doing 'ip a' and 'ip r' on your laptop will show you the values15:40
Walexjtornero2: of course don't use the exact same address value as the laptop, but the prefix/network and gatway should be the same.15:41
jtornero2Walex: es, I'll use my usual (fixed) IP15:42
Walexjtornero2: good15:42
jtornero2Walex: troubles with the gateway I guess. No gateway bu automatic configuration adress (range 169.)15:45
Walexjtornero2: that is rather weird15:45
jtornero2Walex: Well I'm not at home... inside my work and things are weird out there.15:46
Walexjtornero2: on your laptop if you do 'tcptraceroute google.com' what is the first or second address?15:46
Walexjtornero2: but at work your IT people should be able to tell you which gateway address to use etc...15:47
jtornero2Walex: no such command in this windows. Wait a while for installing15:47
Walexjtornero2: that first address should tell you which gateway your network has15:48
jtornero2Walex: in this case is 172.194... I issue it with ip r and: RTNETLINK answers: network is unreachable15:51
Walexdid you do 'ip a a ....' before?15:51
Walexis your static IP address beginning with '172.194.'?15:52
jtornero2Walex: I issued an ip a a before with wrong network mask. I see two inet entries when 'ip a'15:53
jtornero2Walex: and no, my fixed is 172.2315:53
Walexjtornero2: my impression is that if you have so much difficulty configuring an interface IP addres and gateway address on your network perhaps you would benefit from a *a lot* more training before trying to install LTSP15:53
Walexjtornero2: how can it be that your gateway address is in a different subnet from your interface address? That does not make sense.15:54
lordievaderNAT /me flies away15:54
Walexlordievader: but the laptop must have the right gateway address... or else we would not be getting anything.15:55
jtornero2Walex: no doubt on that. I thougth I was pretty isolated, in the sense that reading the "recipes" About the gateway subnet... just I guess that are my copany it people tricks15:55
Walexjtornero2: if you do a 'ip r' on your laptop there must in there an address that begins '172.23.' in a line containing the word "default".15:56
lordievaderThe fact that dhcp returns nothing also says something...15:56
jtornero2Walex: Ok don't know what does the installed tracetcp, but I have a fellow right here with linux, and it looks like issuing lp 3 whe get the default to be in 172.23. Sorry about the other stuff, don't know what did tractcp did on this Windows laptop15:59
BluesKajstati16:00
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Walexjtornero2: if you have a MS-Windows laptop the you should have told us...16:00
Walexjtornero2: or perhaps you did...16:00
jtornero2Walex: Sorry... i said it but I fear I misused english... I said many times "in this windows" and maybe I said it badly, my apologies (terribly ashamed, believeme)16:01
Walexjtornero2: I thought you meant "in this window"...16:02
jtornero2Walex: yes, that's the point... very sorry about that16:02
Walexjtornero2: then the command for figuring out the numbers from MS-Windows are all different.16:02
Walexjtornero2: you never said that 'ip a' and 'ip r' did not work on the laptop.16:03
Walexjtornero2: ipconfig /all16:03
jtornero2Walex: done16:04
Walexjtornero2: two numbers will begin with '172.23.' and one of them will be the gateway address. it will be on a line containing also "0.0.0.0"16:05
jtorneroWalex: got disconnected16:14
jtorneroWalex: Sorry16:14
jtorneroWalex: I16:15
Walexjtornero2: ipconfig /all16:15
Walexjtornero2: two numbers will begin with '172.23.' and one of them will be the gateway address. it will be on a line containing also "0.0.0.0"16:15
jtorneroWalex: es, I told you that I haven't the line 0.0.0.0 but I have both the default gateway, which is coincident with a fella ere with linux16:16
Walexjtornero: then use that address as in 'ip a a defaul via $GATEWAY'16:17
Walexjtornero: it must have the same subnet as the address of the Kubuntu systenm16:17
jtorneroWalex: ip a a or ip a r default via gateway? the kubuntu complaints "an inet prefix is expected"16:18
Walexjtornero: then use that address as in 'ip r a default via $GATEWAY'16:18
jtorneroWalex: RTNETLINK answers: network is unreachable16:19
Walexjtornero: then they are not in the same subnet...16:19
Walexjtornero: ask the other user to help you.16:20
jtorneroWalex: it is possible to remove an entry issued with ip a a $IPADDRESS/MASK dev eth0?16:20
Walexjtornero: yes with 'ip a d $IPADDRESS/MASK'16:20
Walexjtornero: yes with 'ip a d $IPADDRESS/MASK dev eth0'16:20
jtorneroWalex: no way. I guess it looked promising16:24
Walexjtornero: if you don't know the IP address and gateway for your own network you really can't get much use out of that system anyhow.16:27
Walexjtornero: perhaps do 'cat /etc/network/interfaces' it might still be there16:28
jtorneroWalex: looking into my partner's output of lp a has, after inet 172.23.2.187/16 stuff the following: brd 172.23.255.25516:29
Walexthat is the broadcast address. The gateway address appears in 'ip r'16:29
jtorneroWalex: also, my /etc/netwrok/interfaces has auto lo and iface lo inet loopback, maybe an entry for eth0 is missing16:29
Walexjtornero: that's a problem for later.16:30
jtorneroWalex: Ok16:31
k0sguys16:33
k0scould u hear me?16:33
k0sor see what im writing?16:33
Walexk0s: no!16:34
jtorneroWalex: could it be possible that my interface is not eth0?16:34
k0ssrly?16:35
oromodaWhat are you writing?16:35
BluesKajk0s, what client?16:35
k0si dont know16:35
k0sjust testing16:35
k0squassel IRC16:35
k0skububtu IRC16:35
k0show could i config it?16:35
lordievader!test | k0s16:35
ubottuk0s: Testing... Testing... 1. 2.. 3... ( by the way, remember that you can use /join #test )16:35
BluesKaj or join #quassel16:37
jtorneroWalex: on't know exactl what I've done but 1) i am able to ping some host inside m net and ip r shows a line16:39
Walexjtornero: can you 'ping 8.8.8.8'?16:40
jtorneroWalex: no, network unreachable16:42
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Walexjtornero: then your gateway is wrong and you cannot access the internet from that system.16:43
Walexjtornero: can you 'ping' your laptop?16:43
Walexjtornero: have you done 'ip l s up dev eth0'?16:43
jtorneroWalex: yes for the laptop, sent the ommand and still unreachable. ip r shows 172.23.0.0/1616:46
Walexjtornero: that's a network address not a gateway address.16:46
Walexjtornero: ask someone else around you...16:46
jtorneroWalex: YYYYYYEEEEESSSS I ping 8.8.8.8 after sending again ip r a default via 172...16:47
Walexjtornero: so now do 'apt-get update'16:47
jtorneroWalex: yes, I guessed that (but I waited for you :))16:48
jtorneroWalex: done16:48
Walexjtornero: now 'dpkg --configure -a'16:49
jtorneroWalex: done, no output from the command16:50
Walexjtornero: apt-get upgrade16:50
jtorneroWalex: going on16:51
Walexjtornero: good good16:51
Walexjtornero: hopefully it will fix some of the damage.16:51
Walexjtornero: have you made a note of the gateway address, IP address and network mask?16:51
jtorneroWalex: yes16:52
Walexjtornero: then do 'Ctrl-a c' and in the new 'screen' session use some editor to add something like this to '/etc/network/interfaces': https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Configuring_the_interface_manually16:53
jtorneroWalex: Ok, dpkg still working but ready in a little16:54
jtorneroWalex: all done16:58
Walexjtornero: including the editing of '/etc/network/interfaces'?17:00
jtorneroWalex: yes17:01
Walexjtornero: now do 'ip flush dev eth0' and then 'ifup eth0' and then 'ping 8.8.8.8'17:01
jtorneroWalex: ip flush complaints of "object flush is unkown, googling a little17:03
Walexjtornero: 'ip a flush dev eth0'17:04
jtorneroWalex, yes, it what I just found and seems to work17:04
jtorneroWalex: Yes, it works perfectly17:04
Walexjtornero: now do 'update-grub'17:05
jtorneroWalex: cannot create /boot/grub/grub.cfg.new I think it is because I had /boot in another partition not munted yed. I'll mount it an try again17:06
jtorneroWalex: yes, now update-grub is working and finished17:06
jtorneroWalex: so I guess it is time to reb....17:07
Walexjtornero: yes...17:07
jtorneroWalex: ok17:08
jtorneroWalex: Incredible17:09
jtorneroWalex: It has stopped loading. But far away than before17:09
jtorneroWalex mabe it is an issue with fstab17:15
lordievader /var being on a different partition means it is not being mounted (if it still just /proc)17:17
jtorneroNow it stops in "starting enable remaining boot-time encrpted block devices" and it still brings up tftp-hpa severs, I think it was related to ltsp17:19
jtorneroI've modified fstab to accomodate my old partitions17:19
lordievaderjtornero: It is, it is used for PXE ;)17:19
jtornerolordievader Walex: I guess I should unisntall that17:22
lordievaderMeh, it is the least of your problems ;)17:23
jtornerolordievader: have an idea where they are?17:24
lordievaderjtornero: Where what is?17:24
jtornerolordievader: those fixable problems :(17:24
lordievaderjtornero: I have no idea what the current state of your machine is...17:25
Walexjtornero: if you have updated 'fstab' then reboot again. Don't worry about the 'tftp-ha' server or remove it.17:27
jtorneroWalex: I've updated it (I let there the mount line for /proc) but it stucks17:28
Walexjtornero: where?17:29
jtorneroWalex: first line of fstab17:30
Walexjtornero: what appears on the screen?17:30
jtorneroWalex: maybe trouble with mount optoins17:30
jtorneroWalex: on the screen?17:31
Walexjtornero: if the boot is stuck, what is the last message printed?17:32
jtorneroNow, Stoppimg System V runlevel compatibility.17:34
jtorneroWalex: Now, after several seconds, aanother message "stopping boot sequence auditing" is shown17:34
jtorneroI can login as reular user, a mount shows a nfsd on /proc/fs/nfsd17:35
jtorneroWalex: and when login I log in my (real) home directory17:36
jtorneroWalex: Some good news. My postgresql server works. startx makes an attempt but fails.17:38
jtorneroWalex loridevader: I have a little kde glimse. Guess it is going possible to make it.17:51
lordievaderjtornero: X starts?17:51
jtornerolordievader: system loading stops, I log throug tty1 and after an update-alternatives, sudo startx works more or less (well, less)17:53
jtorneroAt least once17:53
jtorneronot again :(17:53
jtornerobut once17:53
lordievaderjtornero: Err, where does it go when it fails to start?17:56
Walexjtornero:'dpkg-reconfigure' for the X server and desktop manager17:57
Walexjtornero: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/07/how-to-switch-between-gdm-lightdm-or.html17:57
jtornerolordievade Walex: yes I found dpkg-reconfigure kdm but m sstem complaints kdm is not found. guess I should dpkg-reconfigure xserver and kde?17:58
Walexjtornero: sudo apt-get install kdm17:58
jtornerobut kdm is apart from kde?18:00
jtorneroanyway, going on18:00
Walexjtornero: please remember that this is #Kubuntu not #Ubuntu18:02
lordievaderErr kdm? Lightdm has been the default for Kubuntu for ages.18:05
Walexlordievader: terrible mistake :-)#18:07
jtornerowell guys. I must go. I really appreciate your help, and tomorrow will be more. Now kde fails to load but right now I'm seeing a graphical thing on my screen. Not functional at all but i see light18:07
kyfellaanyone know a good channel to discuss pasword cracking?18:09
lordievaderkyfella: Likely not on Freenode as it is in most cases illegal.18:09
kyfellaother than Freenode?18:10
kyfellaI have a legit reason for what I am asking.  It is part of an investigation18:10
lordievader!coc18:10
ubottuThe Ubuntu Code of Conduct is the document that spells out etiquette in the Ubuntu community | http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/conduct | For information on how to electronically sign the CoC, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SigningCodeofConduct | Watch http://static.screencasts.ubuntu.com/videos/2010/12/22/004-SigningCoC.ogv18:10
kyfellaanyone else have an idea?  coc's don't help what I need18:11
lordievaderkyfella: That wasn't the point of the Coc...18:11
kyfellawell, lordie, might it be approperate if your going to throw a link out there, to actually enlighten one as to why your doing it?18:12
sgclarkkyfella: to sum up, I highly doubt anyone can/will assist opn the topic you are asking, because of the CoC18:13
kyfellaso what your saying is, noone here has any knowledge or brains of the subject?18:14
sgclarkthat is not what I am saying, I am saying they can't if they signed the CoC which most of has.18:14
kyfellaI love how people throw policies out there in front of them to actually prevent sharing knowlege, of which is the whole reason why linux exists18:15
kyfellaI think the real reason here, extends beyond coc18:15
kyfellaanyhow, thanks for not aiding a real question18:16
lordievaderkyfella: If you actually read the Coc you would understand why we react the way we react.18:17
BluesKajkyfella, give it up, nobody is going to help you legit or not ...this an banable offence for users and support on freenode ...go somewhere else18:19
BluesKaja bannable offence rather18:19
kyfellayou know, my life revolves around more than IRC.  Getting banned from this channel amounts to me kicking a grain of sand off my boot.  I asked for simple help.  You and your coherts here apparently don't know the information, so why can't you just say that?18:21
kyfellapardon my direct nature here, but i think this extends beyond coc18:22
BluesKajkyfella, whether we know or not is immaterial, it' against the rules...period this is as far as it extends..and the result is anyone who helps with suchg request will get banned not just you18:24
BluesKajso enough18:25
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scherenhaendenhi everybody... id need some help trying to install/get woorking a pci usb 3.0 card18:59
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BluesKajscherenhaenden, usb or pci ?19:00
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aljosaI've added "apple wireless keyboard" and used it w/o problems, put computer to sleep and after that it's not working anymore. i'm getting "apple wireless keyboard is requesting access to this computer" and i'm clicking "trust and authorize" but nothing changes - it's not working anymore.19:19
mokushRiddell: any change you could add sddm to the backports ppa? the guys fixed the sddm-helper huge memory usage issue: https://github.com/sddm/sddm/issues/297#event-18950622319:42
memphistoHi to all20:13
memphistoI'm using kubunut 14.04.1 and trying to mount luks encrypted hdd with dolphin20:15
memphistoerror i get is An unspecified error has occurred: No such interface 'org.freedesktop.UDisks2.Filesystem' on object at path /org/freedesktop/UDisks2/block_devices/dm_2d020:15
memphistorunning udisksctl dump shows the device is there20:16
memphistoit seems that dolphin didn't recofnized my external, encrypted hdd at all20:33
memphistothis dm_2d0, now that i've double checked is my internall hdd, which is also encrypted20:34
memphistohave anyone faced same issue?20:36
memphisto*has20:37
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scherenhaendenBluesKaj:  pci21:18
scherenhaendensorry had a few things to do... but how ive said... i bought a pci card... USB 3.0... not way to make it work21:19
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MichaelHabibhi, is it normal for xorg to use  1.6GB ram ?\22:18
MichaelHabibI have many windows open (~40windows) but is 1.6gb for that too much ?22:19
bpromptMichaelHabib:    not sure.. .my Xorg process shows 22mbs22:22
MichaelHabibwoo22:23
MichaelHabibhow many windows U have open22:23
MichaelHabibI have the 40 windows spread out on few activites so could be that is using more ram ?22:24
bpromptMichaelHabib:     have 3 browsers.... one with 3 tabs, other with 5 tabs, and other with 1 tab.... and an IDE..... hmm about 9 windows22:24
MichaelHabibdoes each browser tab add to the xorg usage22:25
bpromptMichaelHabib:    does it show as a subprocess of xorg.? no22:25
scherenhaendendoes know someone here something about this pci to usb 3.0 cards?22:30
Waffl3xwhat are the commands to update23:47
valorieWaffl3x: how do you usually update?23:55
Waffl3xI dont remember23:55
valoriein muon, in the cli, or what?23:55
FritigernWaffl3x: sudo apt-full-upgrade23:55
FritigernOops.... sudo apt full-upgrade23:55
valorieupgrading and updating are different23:56
Waffl3xk thanks23:56
valorieone always updates first23:56
valoriethen upgrade23:56
FritigernOr, if you wanted to upgrade from 14:04 to 14:10  do-release-upgrade23:56
valoriebut Waffl3x, what are you wanting to update?23:56
Fritigernvalorie is right23:56
valoriebest to be precise about what you want23:57
Waffl3xflash23:57
Waffl3xdo facebook games generally not work?23:58
valorieah, I don't ever play on FB23:58
valorieyou might need pepper-flash23:58
valorie!flash23:58
ubottuTo install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - See also  !Restricted and !Gnash23:58
valorie!info pepper-flash23:58
ubottuPackage pepper-flash does not exist in utopic23:58
FritigernOr install chrome or chromium23:58
valoriepfff, what is it called23:59
Unit193!info pepperflashplugin-nonfree23:59
ubottupepperflashplugin-nonfree (source: pepperflashplugin-nonfree): Pepper Flash Player - browser plugin. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.7ubuntu1 (utopic), package size 10 kB, installed size 69 kB (Only available for i386; amd64)23:59
valoriewoah, that one's a mouthful23:59
valoriethanks, Unit19323:59
Unit193Sure.23:59

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