[04:35] <MichaelHabib> hi, I'm trying to find a way to stop the "auto opening" of new created files .  When I create a New File, it opens up with Kate and that's not the program i want it opened with.
[04:52] <Pickers> hello.
[04:57] <renzorzons> buenas noches alguien que hable español y me pueda asesorar
[05:19] <rww> !es
[06:07] <renzorzons> Chuck?
[06:29] <digitaldefector> anyone here?
[07:05] <valorie> pfff
[07:16] <soee> good morning
[08:29] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:55] <Saphyel> gmornin' lordievader
[08:55] <lordievader> Hey Saphyel, how are you?
[08:59] <Saphyel> fine, trying to work and you?
[09:00] <lordievader> Waking up...
[09:15] <Saphyel> lordievader: where are you from?
[09:17] <lordievader> Saphyel: Stick around long enough and you'll find out ;) (hanging around in #kubuntu-offtopic helps)
[09:36] <Saphyel> lordievader: netherlands?
[09:44] <lordievader> Saphyel: Nice guess ;) Did you lookup my ip?
[09:45] <Saphyel> I didn't need it, with /whois is enough xD
[09:47] <lordievader> Ah, right XD
[09:48] <Saphyel> I always thought where you live people wakes up very soon
[11:01] <jtornero2> hello all. I'm having some trouble after messing with ltsp. The matter is that I am not able to boot in my machine but inside ltsp0 instead.
[11:03] <jtornero2> I think, after some irc with ltsp people, that I've messed up the boot sequence. But don't know in which way, and how can it be reverted
[11:13] <jtornero2> does anyone have any direction? I'm in a big trouble, providing this is my workstation
[11:14] <jtornero2> grub.cfg is in http://pastebin.com/B7jxN40i maybe it is useful
[11:15] <oromoda> You should ask lordievader maybe asap.
[11:20] <jtornero2> thanks oromoda
[11:27] <lordievader> !pm | jtornero2
[11:28] <lordievader> jtornero2: Anyhow, what seems to be the issue?
[11:32] <jtornero2> My apologies(thought it was better no to "bore" the other people), The issue is that I
[11:33] <lordievader> jtornero2: This channel is logged, might be usefull for people with the same problem later on.
[11:33] <jtornero2> restarted my machine this morning and wasn't able to boot again. Instead, I am able to get (through tty1) a console login but instead of "my machine" i get ltsp0 as machine. Boot proccess stops at "stopping system V runlevel comaptibility"
[11:34] <lordievader> jtornero2: I'm not familiar with ltsp, could you give some more details?
[11:34] <Walex> jtornero2: your report seems confused both in terminology and concept
[11:35] <Walex> jtornero2: if you «wasn't able to boot again» how can you «get (through tty1) a console login»?
[11:36] <lordievader> Walex: I was wondering the same thing..
[11:36] <jtornero2> walex: Sorry. I'm so confused, sorry about my language. When I said boot again I mean end up with my lovel KDE and my "usual" system
[11:36] <Walex> jtornero2: was your hardware swapped by the evil LTSP team overnight? :-)
[11:37] <Walex> jtornero2: because I am note sure whether by «i get ltsp0 as machine» you are reporting that the "hostname" of your OS changed or you got a completely different hw or a completely different installed system...
[11:38] <Walex> jtornero2: perhaps the issue is that you, without realizing it, cionfigured your existing system as a server for LTSP and with a different hostname, but your system is otherwise unchanged, so there is no reason to panic.
[11:39] <jtornero2> Sequence: 1) I switch on my machine. 2) Choose the usual menu item in grub menu at the beggining. 3) Boot sequence ends in what I pointe d out before (Stopping system V....) 3) I press ctrl-alt-F1 and I am able to log in with my habitual credentials...
[11:39] <Walex> jtornero2: for example when you login to the console, do you find your usual files and partitions etc.?
[11:40] <jtornero2> ok, Walex, that's the point. I don't get that. I get another linux-kind filesystem. All the rest of my data and partitions are still there (was able to find it with a live distro)
[11:40] <Walex> jtornero2: it is already good that you can login «with my habitual credentials», that suggests nothing fundamental has really changed
[11:41] <Walex> jtornero2: then the questions is whether you have reinstalled a different distribution on the "root" partition of your machine or just reconfigured it.
[11:41] <jtornero2> As ltsp-people said, after I told them, maybe it is matter of having installed ltsp-client in the same machine that should act as a server, that messes up everthing
[11:42] <Walex> jtornero2: reinstallation is unlikely because your userid and password are still there.
[11:42] <Walex> jtornero2: what do you see when you do 'cat /etc/issue'?
[11:43] <jtornero2> Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS \n \l
[11:43] <Walex> jtornero2: and 'lsb_release -d' says the same I hope...
[11:43] <jtornero2> Yes
[11:43] <Walex> jtornero2: that is very encouraging.
[11:44] <Walex> jtornero2: now try to do this: 'sudo telinit 3'
[11:44] <jtornero2> Walex: but, for instance, it complaints about not founding dpkg when doing the "obvious" apt-get remove ltsp and stuff
[11:44] <Walex> jtornero2: that's not so awesome.
[11:44] <jtornero2> Wales: done and nothing happens
[11:45] <Walex> jtornero2: can you 'ping 8.8.8.8'?
[11:46] <jtornero2> Walex: No. runlevel command raises /var/run/utmp not found
[11:46] <Walex> jtornero2: can you copy-and-paste to 'pastebinit' on another system?
[11:47] <Walex> jtornero2: it may be that you are inside a "restricted" environment such as a LTSP client environment.
[11:48] <jtornero2> Walex: Depends. If it is something I can paste when booting with a live distro (i have benn looking around with a old gparted live), yes. If not, it is difficult. Right now irc-ing with another machine, and old laptop.
[11:49] <jtornero2> Walex: But I have to do whatever I have to do!!
[11:51] <jtornero2> Walex: yes, it looks like that, after what ltsp people told me. And makes a lot of sense. The client won't never starts as the server (the same machine) neither will do
[11:53] <jtornero2> Walex: so I guess the point is to prevent booting from that restricted environment
[12:13] <jtornero2> Walex: I'm able to operate... how should I start?
[12:17] <Walex> jtornero2: sorry, brief away-from-keyboard
[12:18] <Walex> jtornero2: please put onto paste.debian.net the output of 'ps xu' or even better of 'ps axu'
[12:18] <Walex> jtornero2: to figure out the chain of processes that booted into the current runlevel
[12:19] <Walex> jtornero2: also the output of 'df -T -BG'
[12:19] <Walex> jtornero2: and that of 'blkid | sort'
[12:21] <jtornero2> Walex: Ok, let see how I perform that
[12:22] <Walex> jtornero2: also what kind of boot menu did you see at boot?
[12:22] <jtornero2> Walex typical kubuntu 14.04 grub menu (version 2.02 beta2-9ubuntu1
[12:29] <jtornero2> Walex: I've to restart the machine to be able to export the outputs to the pastebin. Would you need any other information or can I proceed?
[12:31] <cmt29> since upgrade to 14.10 my internet stops working after around 10-30 seconds when connected via wireless. Any ideas?
[12:35] <Walex> jtornero2: just proceed.
[12:37] <jtornero2> Walex: OK. In a while I paste the first two commands. But I can tell you in advance that the blkid command outputs nothing
[12:37] <Walex> jtornero2: what is most likely happening is that you are being logged into a LTSP "chroot", and the way out is to figure out how, so you can login in the full account
[12:38] <Walex> jtornero2: 'sudo blkid' too?
[12:41] <jtornero2> Walex: aaargh! wait a second!
[12:41] <jtornero2> Walex: yes, sudoing the command makes sense
[12:51] <jtornero2> Walex: command output are at http://paste.debian.net/130533
[12:57] <jtornero2> Walex: sda3 and sda2 are mounted to be able to save the output commands and recover then booting from a live distro
[13:01] <Walex> jtornero2: sorry, distracted again...
[13:04] <Walex> jtornero2: but if the 'ps' output is from the actual system and not from the live CD (and it is seems from the actual system) your login is likely not inside a 'chroot'...
[13:06] <jtornero2> the ps output is from wherever i boot into... don't know if a chroot but in any case it's not my usual system
[13:11] <jtornero2> Walex: pretty annoying issue?
[13:28] <paradox_> hello
[13:28] <paradox_> anyone has problem with Kubuntu 14.10. with plazma 5, not being able to save custom shortcuts
[13:29] <paradox_> ?
[13:29] <lordievader> !plasma5
[13:29] <lordievader> paradox_: File a bug ;)
[13:30] <paradox_> will do, just wanted to make sure it's not something i did
[13:31] <jtornero2> Walex: any other idea?
[13:32] <lordievader> paradox_: Last time I tried it I had the same problem. Never filled a bug about it... guess it never got fixed.
[13:44] <Walex> jtornero2: sorry, being taken away again. I am now going to be here for a while I hope
[13:46] <Walex> jtornero2: the thing that seems to indicate a 'chroot' is that 'dpkg' is missing...
[13:47] <Walex> jtornero2: what does 'ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/' look like? Also 'ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/dpkg*'
[13:48] <Walex> jtornero2: my current working hypothesis is that your system is basically unchanged, but that your personal account is being logged into a 'chroot'.
[13:49] <lordievader> Wouldn't that show up in /etc/passwd?
[13:50] <Walex> lordievader: that's one other check to do, but it may show up in the '/etc/passwd' in the containing system, not necessarily the 'chrooted' one.
[13:50] <jtornero2> Walex: I really appreciate your return and help, believeme. The ouput of both commands (with sudo or not) indicate that the file doesn't exists
[13:50] <Walex> lordievader: at some point I am going to suggest booting with 'init=/bin/bash'
[13:51] <lordievader> From following this discussion from bit to bit leads me to conclude that ltsp is something nasty.
[13:51] <Walex> jtornero2: if '/var/lib/dpkg/info/' is empty or missing instead of existing and having hundreds of files either your system is very badly damaged or you are running inside a 'chroot'
[13:52] <Walex> lordievader: no, it is pretty good, but it assumes that you run the client sw on different machine from the server...
[13:52] <Walex> lordievader: http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Concepts#The_LTSP_chroot_environment
[13:53] <Walex> lordievader: basically it turns the clients into remote X terminals for VM-like 'chroot' instances on the server.
[13:53] <Walex> lordievader: "jtornero2" sort of confessed mixing the two.
[13:53] <lordievader> Hmm, so not like PXE thinclient booting ;)
[13:54] <Walex> lordievader: PXE X terminal booting when done right on client machines :-)
[13:54] <lordievader> Hmm the mini linux distro is likely to be PXE'ed.
[13:54] <jtornero2> Walex: well, actually not sort of confessed... completely confessed
[13:54] <Walex> lordievader: yes, but the mini distro only contains an X server :-)
[13:55] <lordievader> Here we just provide a fluxbox desktop through PXE so users can RDP to our Windows server.
[13:55] <Walex> lordievader: LTSP is similar but with GNU/Linux (not quite the same though).
[13:55] <lordievader> Check
[13:57] <Walex> jtornero2: the goal now is to find an account on your base system that does not get you into a 'chroot'. So the best thing is probably to boot with 'init=/bin/bash' and then edit '/etc/passwd' and/or give your 'root' account a password so you can log into it directly
[13:57] <Walex> jtornero2: so reboot your machine and when the GRUB menu comes up type 'e' to enter edit mode.
[13:57] <jtornero2> Walex: ok
[13:58] <jtornero2> Walex: I'm in edit mode
[13:59] <Walex> jtornero2: then use arrow keys to go down to the 'linux' line and append " init=/bin/bash" to it (without quotes)
[13:59] <jtornero2> Walex: done
[14:00] <jtornero2> Walex: guess I must boot now
[14:01] <Walex> yes, Ctrl-x IIRC
[14:01] <Walex> when you are in the boot shell, do 'mount -o remount,rw /'
[14:01] <jtornero2> Walex: bash:done
[14:02] <Walex> jtornero2: and after remount '/' RW, have a look at 'egrep "root|peo" /etc/passwd'
[14:02] <Walex> jtornero2: what kind of shell or home directory have they got?
[14:03] <Walex> jtornero2: the line for 'root' should look like "root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash"
[14:03] <jtornero2> Walex: wait a second. 'peo' was a fast-name for mounting the thing that time. I guess I should put my regular user instead peo?
[14:03] <Walex> jtornero2: yes.
[14:04] <jtornero2> Walex: Ok: antares:x:1000:1000:antares,,,:/home/antares/bin/bash
[14:04] <Walex> jtornero2: is "/home/antares/bin/bash" expected? Why is it not "/bin/bash"?
[14:05] <lordievader> Modified bash script/binary?
[14:05] <jtornero2> Walex: sorry, the final part is /home/antares:/bin/bash
[14:06] <Walex> jtornero2: that's fine then, but then I don't get how you end up in a 'chroot'.
[14:06] <lordievader> Upstart service?
[14:07] <Walex> jtornero2: do you see now many files in 'ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/'?
[14:07] <Walex> lordievader: that would be horrifying :-)
[14:07] <lordievader> Walex: It would be... but I wouldn't be surprised ;)
[14:07] <Walex> jtornero2: BTW, do you have a separate '/var/' partition?
[14:08] <Walex> jtornero2: look at 'cat /etc/fstab' for that
[14:08] <jtornero2> Walex: now my /etc/fstab just read "Dynamically generated by LTSP and just have a single line
[14:09] <jtornero2> Walex: but wait a second. I'll try to mount the sda partitions to see
[14:09] <Walex> jtornero2: what does that single line look like?
[14:09] <Walex> jtornero2: you seem to have tried to configure your system as LTSP "thick" client
[14:10] <jtornero2> Walex: proc /proc proc nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0
[14:10] <lordievader> Hehe :P
[14:10] <lordievader> What a mess.
[14:11] <Walex> jtornero2: I need to have a look inside the LTSP client package because "lordievader" is probably quite right that having setup your system as a LTSP "thick" client there is an 'upstart' script that boots you into a LTSP client environment.
[14:11] <Walex> jtornero2: wait a bit
[14:13] <Walex> jtornero2: in the meantime try: 'ls -l /etc/init/ltsp*'
[14:14] <jtornero2> Walex: ltsp-client-core.conf and ltsp-cluster.accountmanager.conf
[14:15] <Walex> I think that 'ltsp-cluster.accountmanager.conf' is for the server part, and indeed 'ltsp-client-core.conf' is probably the source of much of your trouble.
[14:16] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[14:17] <jtornero2> Walex: guess is not going to be as easy as 'rm ltsp-client-core.conf'
[14:18] <Walex> jtornero2: it could be as easy as that...
[14:18] <lordievader> jtornero2: Could you pastebin that script?
[14:18] <Walex> jtornero2: and then removing the 'ltsp-client' package.
[14:18] <Walex> jtornero2: I just looked at that script
[14:18] <Walex> lordievader: he cannot easily, but I can, wait a sec
[14:19] <Walex> lordievader: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8852327/
[14:19] <Walex> lordievader: and this is '/usr/share/ltsp/ltsp-init-common': http://paste.ubuntu.com/8852329/
[14:20] <jtornero2> Walex: Thank you very much. My file looks exactly equal as the first pastebin. I'll look the next, hold a second
[14:22] <lordievader> Hmm, they don't seem to start chroots or something.
[14:23] <Walex> lordievader: because I think he installed the "thick" client stuff. So he may have turned his '/' filetree into a thick client one...
[14:23] <lordievader> I.e. his install is nuked?
[14:23] <Walex> jtornero2: it would be exceptionally useful to figure out which partitions holds your '/var' filetree
[14:24] <jtornero2> Walex lodridevader: ok, let me boot with the live distro
[14:24] <Walex> lordievader: perhaps his install is nuked, but if that is the case it has been replaced by a mini-Ubuntu install, which can be easily upgraded to a full on
[14:24] <Walex> jtornero2: you don't need to boot the livedistro
[14:25] <jtornero2> Walex: too late :( It is just if I want to copy/paste whatever I can't do without that
[14:25] <Walex> jtornero2: do you remember the network parameters for your system?
[14:26] <jtornero2> Walex: more or less, but just my IP
[14:26] <drandynisbet> Im running kubuntu 14.04 LTS on an ARM Samsung Chromebook
[14:26] <drandynisbet> I'm getting an issue with installing swap on this device
[14:26] <drandynisbet> sudo mkswap -L "SWAP-PARTITION" /dev/sda1
[14:27] <drandynisbet>  more /etc/fstab LABEL="SWAP-PARTITION" none swap sw 0 0
[14:27] <drandynisbet> sudo swapon -v -L "SWAP-PARTITION" swapon on /dev/sda1 swapon: /dev/sda1: found swap signature: version 1, page-size 4, same byte order swapon: /dev/sda1: pagesize=4096, swapsize=2147483648, devsize=2147483648 swapon: /dev/sda1: swapon failed: Invalid argument
[14:27] <lordievader> !paste | dashcloud
[14:27] <lordievader> !paste | drandynisbet
[14:27] <lordievader> dashcloud: Whoops, sorry.
[14:28] <lordievader> drandynisbet: What happens when you simply run "sudo swapon"?
[14:29] <drandynisbet> swapon: /dev/sda1: swapon failed: Invalid argument
[14:30] <drandynisbet> I am booting from an external SD card
[14:30] <drandynisbet> I have tried to make  a swapfile on the SD card (same error)
[14:30] <arthurfiggis> drandynisbet: out of curiousity when you installed, did you enable the "encrypted home directory" option? when i did that with 14.04 no swap file/partition was created at all, some sort of installer bug maybe...not sure about 14.10 i just used full disk encryption and left it off
[14:31] <drandynisbet> I have tried a partition on a USB drive
[14:31] <drandynisbet> saem error,
[14:31] <drandynisbet> I am not using encryption, or at least I did not enable it
[14:31] <lordievader> drandynisbet: Make the swappartition without the label, and put it in fstab with /dev/sda1. Then try again.
[14:32] <drandynisbet> Done it already
[14:32] <drandynisbet> Done it using /dev/sda1
[14:32] <drandynisbet> and wiuth UUID
[14:32] <drandynisbet> and with LABEL
[14:32] <drandynisbet> saem error each time
[14:33] <lordievader> drandynisbet: Does a swap file work?
[14:34] <drandynisbet> nisbeta@arndale2:/$ cat /proc/swaps
[14:34] <drandynisbet> returns
[14:34] <drandynisbet> Filename				Type		Size	Used	Priority
[14:34] <arthurfiggis> drandynisbet: ahh okay...sorry that was probably not very helpful, it's just the first swap issue that came to mind so i figured i'd check it out anyway :)
[14:34] <drandynisbet> with no entries
[14:34] <drandynisbet> so its not working
[14:34] <jtornero2> Walex: I've mounted all my sda's. In sda4 is where my dpkg/info folder is, and it contains a whole bunch of files
[14:35] <drandynisbet> Are you using an ARM chromebook? And are you using an external SD?
[14:35] <lordievader> drandynisbet: Who are you addressing here?
[14:37] <drandynisbet> If anyone has got swap working on an ARMv7 chromebook, with an external SD install then I'd be interested to know how. I guess something is broken/turned off in the kernel.
[14:38] <jtornero2> Walex lordievader: 12835 files (.list, .md5sumds....)
[14:39] <lordievader> drandynisbet: A swapfile on ARMvX RPi works fine.
[14:39] <lordievader> drandynisbet: Hence the suggestion to use a swap file.
[14:39] <drandynisbet> Have you used the internal storage to install?
[14:39] <drandynisbet> to <lordievader>
[14:39] <lordievader> drandynisbet: What internal storage?
[14:40] <lordievader> drandynisbet: /boot is on the SD card, the rest is loaded through nfs.
[14:40] <drandynisbet> lordievader: the internal nonvolatile memory
[14:41] <drandynisbet> We have nfs working, and have had automount working previously.
[14:41] <lordievader> drandynisbet: The RPi doesn't have any of that. (Unless you are referring to the SD card)
[14:42] <drandynisbet> My target ... is  a Samsung Chromebook XE303C12-A10UK
[14:42] <drandynisbet> You can install on its internal NVM or on an external SD or USB.
[14:43] <drandynisbet> Ive installed on an SD card so it's /dev/mmcblk1
[14:44] <drandynisbet> How would I determine if  user directories were encrypted by default?
[14:44] <lordievader> drandynisbet: Ls their directory with root.
[14:45] <drandynisbet> I can see files, so I guess they are not encrypted?
[14:45] <drandynisbet> and more them ...
[14:45] <drandynisbet> sucessfully for text.
[14:45] <lordievader> drandynisbet: For ecryptfs you'd see a text file on how to unlock your home-dir.
[14:46] <drandynisbet> ok so enryption is not a reason wh y swapon might fail (I have seen this issue mentioned in some of the wikis) for me
[14:47] <drandynisbet> Another user had the same problem on archlinux http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=7337
[14:51] <Walex> jtornero2: that's good
[14:52] <jtornero2> Walex: I really want to believe that :)
[14:52] <Walex> jtornero2: did you find where the other partitions should be mounted?
[14:53] <jtornero2> Walex: oh yes, I am able to remount all the tree (well, my home is a little tricky due to some issues in the past) but the important things, yes I do
[14:53] <Walex> jtornero2: you still in the liveCD?
[14:53] <Walex> jtornero2: what kind of liveCD is it?
[14:54] <jtornero2> Walex: a gparted live from 2013
[14:54] <Walex> jtornero2: that's a bit thin. Do you have an Ubuntu install/rescue disk?
[14:54] <Walex> jtornero2: never mind...
[14:55] <jtornero2> I have my Kubuntu 14.04 LTS dvd
[14:55] <Walex> jtornero2: make a note of which partitions should be mounted where...
[14:56] <jtornero2> Walex: just one thing, /tmp not pretty sure, but it should have plugtmp folder inside?
[14:56] <Walex> jtornero2: never mind about '/tmp' as it just be a directory on '/' anyhow
[14:57] <kbroulik> what could happen if I take away all rights on .xsession-errors so nobody (especially not the "this should neverh appen" spam) could write in there?
[14:57] <jtornero2> Walex: it is just I have a partition for this, I guess
[14:57] <Walex> jtornero2: that can be fixed later...
[14:58] <Walex> jtornero2: the plan I have in mind is to get you to 'chroot' into your system from a Ubuntu-like liveCD, as working from the 'init=/bin/bash' prompt is a bit uncomfortable and has some downsides.
[14:58] <Walex> jtornero2: are you familiar with using 'screen'?
[14:59] <jtornero2> Walex, just for peeking /dev/ttyS0 and related stuff
[15:00] <Walex> jtornero2: but do you know the commands to create sessions in it etc?
[15:00] <jtornero2> Walex: but know enogh for ctrl+a and :q to quit
[15:00] <Walex> jtornero2: good enough
[15:00] <Walex> jtornero2: then reboot with 'init=/bin/bash' as before and then when you are in BASH start 'screen'
[15:00] <jtornero2> Walex: no, but I have this laptop and the machine, so the googling could do the trick
[15:00] <jtornero2> Walex: ok
[15:02] <jtornero2> Walex: when screen, got '/var/run/screen/S-root': Read-only filesystem
[15:02] <lordievader> jtornero2: Remount it rw ;)
[15:03] <Walex> jtornero2: you need to 'mount -o remount,rw /' as before... Forgot to remind you of that.
[15:03] <Walex> jtornero2: do that from outside 'screen'.
[15:03] <Walex> jtornero2: do 'ps t' to check whether you are inside 'screen'
[15:03] <jtornero2> wait a second, forgot to remount
[15:04] <jtornero2> Walex: screen on
[15:04] <Walex> now mount on '/var' the appropriate partition and the same for '/usr'
[15:05] <jtornero2> Walex: I sent ps t and got tw lines (/bin/sh and ps t) but prompt just # I guess it is correct
[15:06] <Walex> jtornero2: and which TTY did it list?
[15:07] <jtornero2> Walex: lost those lines, I'll start over (my font size is like a airplane)
[15:09] <jtornero2> Walex: pts/0
[15:09] <Walex> jtornero2: that's good, you are indeed inside 'screen' which helps
[15:10] <Walex> jtornero2: have you mounted the partitions with '/usr' and '/var' in them?
[15:10] <jtornero2> Walex: I'll mount /var then. /usr is already mounted because / is mounted
[15:10] <jtornero2> Walex: /var mounted
[15:14] <jtornero2> Walex: sorry, maybe I've not explained well: When booting, /dev/sda2 is mounted, which means that I've / filesystem mounted.
[15:15] <jtornero2> Walex: In that partition I had / with man other folders but I have /var in a partition apart (/dev/sda4)
[15:15] <Walex> jtornero2: what does 'ls -ld /usr/bin/dppkg*' list?
[15:15] <Walex> jtornero2: what does 'ls -ld /usr/bin/dpkg*' list?
[15:16] <jtornero2> Walex: 2 files
[15:17] <jtornero2> Walex: sorry 24 files
[15:17] <Walex> jtornero2: that's good
[15:17] <Walex> jtornero2: now 'dpkg -l "ltsp*"'
[15:20] <jtornero2> Walex: it outputs a nice tabulated info screen with: ltsp-client, ltsp-client-co,ltsp-cluster-a,ltsp-docs,ltsp-server,ltsp-server-standalone,ltsp-utils,ltspfs,ltspfsd and ltspfsd-core packages. Columns are trimmed but first column shows 'ii'
[15:20] <Walex> jtornero2: good, good
[15:22] <Walex> jtornero2: then I would suggest 'dpkg --purge' at least the "ltsp-client" ones :-)
[15:22] <Walex> the package description for 'ltsp-client' says: "DO NOT install this package on a regular machine, it is intended only for installation inside a LTSP client file system." :-)
[15:23] <Walex> jtornero2: also 'dpkg --purge ltspfs'
[15:23] <jtornero2> Walex: Ok, let's see
[15:27] <Walex> for those who are following: using 'screen' in the 'init=/bin/bash' case helps for various reasons, but the main one is that 'init=/bin/bash' does not set up the TTY session properly.
[15:27] <Walex> I think that one can use 'init=/usr/bin/screen' directly, but on some systems '/usr' is not mounted at that point.
[15:29] <jtornero2> Walex: it complaints a little but I've managed to remove all. Time to reboot?
[15:29] <Walex> jtornero2: not yet...
[15:29] <Walex> jtornero2: almost.
[15:29] <jtornero2> Walex: ok
[15:29]  * lordievader is curious to see if Walex will pull it off :)
[15:29] <Walex> jtornero2: 'service networking start' and 'ip a' and 'ip r'
[15:30] <Walex> lordievader: there is no question that there is a working Kubuntu install on the disk, so one way or another, it now depends on how much damage installed 'ltsp-client*' did and how to fix it.
[15:31] <jtornero2> Walex: done
[15:31] <Walex> jtornero2: and what did 'ip a' and 'ip r' say?
[15:31] <Walex> just the dotted numbers...
[15:32] <Walex> jtornero2: do you recognize the dotted numbers?
[15:32] <jtornero2> Walex: yes I see a mac, I gueess. But the service start failed, I was "so excited"
[15:33] <Walex> jtornero2: so do you remember the IP address, gateway address and network mask?
[15:33] <jtornero2> Walex: initctl: Unable to connect to Upstart: failed to connecto to socket /com/unutu/upstart: connection refused
[15:33] <Walex> jtornero2: if your laptop is connected to the same network they can be easy to find or make up
[15:33] <jtornero2> Walex: yes, it is
[15:33] <Walex> jtornero2: ah yes, that's one of the problems with stupid init systems like 'systemd' (or even 'upstart'
[15:34] <Walex> jtornero2: so we need an IP address, gateway address, network prefix
[15:35] <Walex> jtornero2: in the meantime do 'echo nameserver 8.8.8.8 > /etc/resolv.conf'
[15:35] <Walex> when you have the numbers: ip a a $IPADDRESS/$PREFIX dev eth0
[15:36] <Walex> and after that: ip r a default via $GATEWAYADDRESS
[15:36] <jtornero2> Walex: Wait a second. No resolv.conf
[15:36] <Walex> jtornero2: then first 'rm /etc/resolv.conf' and then the 'echo ....'
[15:37] <Walex> jtornero2: when you have done all that do 'apt-get update'
[15:37] <jtornero2> Walex: there is a resolv.conf (i see it when ls) but not able to reach.
[15:37] <jtornero2> Walex I'll do the rm then
[15:38] <jtornero2> Walex: done
[15:39] <jtornero2> Walex: network prefix is?
[15:40] <Walex> jtornero2: usually something like /24
[15:40] <Walex> jtornero2: or use the netmask that usually looks like '255.255.255.0'
[15:40] <jtornero2> Walex: in this windows laptop the netmask is 255.255.0.0 so i should use that I guess
[15:40] <Walex> jtornero2: doing 'ip a' and 'ip r' on your laptop will show you the values
[15:41] <Walex> jtornero2: of course don't use the exact same address value as the laptop, but the prefix/network and gatway should be the same.
[15:42] <jtornero2> Walex: es, I'll use my usual (fixed) IP
[15:42] <Walex> jtornero2: good
[15:45] <jtornero2> Walex: troubles with the gateway I guess. No gateway bu automatic configuration adress (range 169.)
[15:45] <Walex> jtornero2: that is rather weird
[15:46] <jtornero2> Walex: Well I'm not at home... inside my work and things are weird out there.
[15:46] <Walex> jtornero2: on your laptop if you do 'tcptraceroute google.com' what is the first or second address?
[15:47] <Walex> jtornero2: but at work your IT people should be able to tell you which gateway address to use etc...
[15:47] <jtornero2> Walex: no such command in this windows. Wait a while for installing
[15:48] <Walex> jtornero2: that first address should tell you which gateway your network has
[15:51] <jtornero2> Walex: in this case is 172.194... I issue it with ip r and: RTNETLINK answers: network is unreachable
[15:51] <Walex> did you do 'ip a a ....' before?
[15:52] <Walex> is your static IP address beginning with '172.194.'?
[15:53] <jtornero2> Walex: I issued an ip a a before with wrong network mask. I see two inet entries when 'ip a'
[15:53] <jtornero2> Walex: and no, my fixed is 172.23
[15:53] <Walex> jtornero2: my impression is that if you have so much difficulty configuring an interface IP addres and gateway address on your network perhaps you would benefit from a *a lot* more training before trying to install LTSP
[15:54] <Walex> jtornero2: how can it be that your gateway address is in a different subnet from your interface address? That does not make sense.
[15:54] <lordievader> NAT /me flies away
[15:55] <Walex> lordievader: but the laptop must have the right gateway address... or else we would not be getting anything.
[15:55] <jtornero2> Walex: no doubt on that. I thougth I was pretty isolated, in the sense that reading the "recipes" About the gateway subnet... just I guess that are my copany it people tricks
[15:56] <Walex> jtornero2: if you do a 'ip r' on your laptop there must in there an address that begins '172.23.' in a line containing the word "default".
[15:56] <lordievader> The fact that dhcp returns nothing also says something...
[15:59] <jtornero2> Walex: Ok don't know what does the installed tracetcp, but I have a fellow right here with linux, and it looks like issuing lp 3 whe get the default to be in 172.23. Sorry about the other stuff, don't know what did tractcp did on this Windows laptop
[16:00] <BluesKaj> stati
[16:00] <BluesKaj> c
[16:00] <Walex> jtornero2: if you have a MS-Windows laptop the you should have told us...
[16:00] <Walex> jtornero2: or perhaps you did...
[16:01] <jtornero2> Walex: Sorry... i said it but I fear I misused english... I said many times "in this windows" and maybe I said it badly, my apologies (terribly ashamed, believeme)
[16:02] <Walex> jtornero2: I thought you meant "in this window"...
[16:02] <jtornero2> Walex: yes, that's the point... very sorry about that
[16:02] <Walex> jtornero2: then the command for figuring out the numbers from MS-Windows are all different.
[16:03] <Walex> jtornero2: you never said that 'ip a' and 'ip r' did not work on the laptop.
[16:03] <Walex> jtornero2: ipconfig /all
[16:04] <jtornero2> Walex: done
[16:05] <Walex> jtornero2: two numbers will begin with '172.23.' and one of them will be the gateway address. it will be on a line containing also "0.0.0.0"
[16:14] <jtornero> Walex: got disconnected
[16:14] <jtornero> Walex: Sorry
[16:15] <jtornero> Walex: I
[16:15] <Walex> jtornero2: ipconfig /all
[16:15] <Walex> jtornero2: two numbers will begin with '172.23.' and one of them will be the gateway address. it will be on a line containing also "0.0.0.0"
[16:16] <jtornero> Walex: es, I told you that I haven't the line 0.0.0.0 but I have both the default gateway, which is coincident with a fella ere with linux
[16:17] <Walex> jtornero: then use that address as in 'ip a a defaul via $GATEWAY'
[16:17] <Walex> jtornero: it must have the same subnet as the address of the Kubuntu systenm
[16:18] <jtornero> Walex: ip a a or ip a r default via gateway? the kubuntu complaints "an inet prefix is expected"
[16:18] <Walex> jtornero: then use that address as in 'ip r a default via $GATEWAY'
[16:19] <jtornero> Walex: RTNETLINK answers: network is unreachable
[16:19] <Walex> jtornero: then they are not in the same subnet...
[16:20] <Walex> jtornero: ask the other user to help you.
[16:20] <jtornero> Walex: it is possible to remove an entry issued with ip a a $IPADDRESS/MASK dev eth0?
[16:20] <Walex> jtornero: yes with 'ip a d $IPADDRESS/MASK'
[16:20] <Walex> jtornero: yes with 'ip a d $IPADDRESS/MASK dev eth0'
[16:24] <jtornero> Walex: no way. I guess it looked promising
[16:27] <Walex> jtornero: if you don't know the IP address and gateway for your own network you really can't get much use out of that system anyhow.
[16:28] <Walex> jtornero: perhaps do 'cat /etc/network/interfaces' it might still be there
[16:29] <jtornero> Walex: looking into my partner's output of lp a has, after inet 172.23.2.187/16 stuff the following: brd 172.23.255.255
[16:29] <Walex> that is the broadcast address. The gateway address appears in 'ip r'
[16:29] <jtornero> Walex: also, my /etc/netwrok/interfaces has auto lo and iface lo inet loopback, maybe an entry for eth0 is missing
[16:30] <Walex> jtornero: that's a problem for later.
[16:31] <jtornero> Walex: Ok
[16:33] <k0s> guys
[16:33] <k0s> could u hear me?
[16:33] <k0s> or see what im writing?
[16:34] <Walex> k0s: no!
[16:34] <jtornero> Walex: could it be possible that my interface is not eth0?
[16:35] <k0s> srly?
[16:35] <oromoda> What are you writing?
[16:35] <BluesKaj> k0s, what client?
[16:35] <k0s> i dont know
[16:35] <k0s> just testing
[16:35] <k0s> quassel IRC
[16:35] <k0s> kububtu IRC
[16:35] <k0s> how could i config it?
[16:35] <lordievader> !test | k0s
[16:37] <BluesKaj>  or join #quassel
[16:39] <jtornero> Walex: on't know exactl what I've done but 1) i am able to ping some host inside m net and ip r shows a line
[16:40] <Walex> jtornero: can you 'ping 8.8.8.8'?
[16:42] <jtornero> Walex: no, network unreachable
[16:42] <marv_>  /join #kubuntu-de
[16:43] <Walex> jtornero: then your gateway is wrong and you cannot access the internet from that system.
[16:43] <Walex> jtornero: can you 'ping' your laptop?
[16:43] <Walex> jtornero: have you done 'ip l s up dev eth0'?
[16:46] <jtornero> Walex: yes for the laptop, sent the ommand and still unreachable. ip r shows 172.23.0.0/16
[16:46] <Walex> jtornero: that's a network address not a gateway address.
[16:46] <Walex> jtornero: ask someone else around you...
[16:47] <jtornero> Walex: YYYYYYEEEEESSSS I ping 8.8.8.8 after sending again ip r a default via 172...
[16:47] <Walex> jtornero: so now do 'apt-get update'
[16:48] <jtornero> Walex: yes, I guessed that (but I waited for you :))
[16:48] <jtornero> Walex: done
[16:49] <Walex> jtornero: now 'dpkg --configure -a'
[16:50] <jtornero> Walex: done, no output from the command
[16:50] <Walex> jtornero: apt-get upgrade
[16:51] <jtornero> Walex: going on
[16:51] <Walex> jtornero: good good
[16:51] <Walex> jtornero: hopefully it will fix some of the damage.
[16:51] <Walex> jtornero: have you made a note of the gateway address, IP address and network mask?
[16:52] <jtornero> Walex: yes
[16:53] <Walex> jtornero: then do 'Ctrl-a c' and in the new 'screen' session use some editor to add something like this to '/etc/network/interfaces': https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Configuring_the_interface_manually
[16:54] <jtornero> Walex: Ok, dpkg still working but ready in a little
[16:58] <jtornero> Walex: all done
[17:00] <Walex> jtornero: including the editing of '/etc/network/interfaces'?
[17:01] <jtornero> Walex: yes
[17:01] <Walex> jtornero: now do 'ip flush dev eth0' and then 'ifup eth0' and then 'ping 8.8.8.8'
[17:03] <jtornero> Walex: ip flush complaints of "object flush is unkown, googling a little
[17:04] <Walex> jtornero: 'ip a flush dev eth0'
[17:04] <jtornero> Walex, yes, it what I just found and seems to work
[17:04] <jtornero> Walex: Yes, it works perfectly
[17:05] <Walex> jtornero: now do 'update-grub'
[17:06] <jtornero> Walex: cannot create /boot/grub/grub.cfg.new I think it is because I had /boot in another partition not munted yed. I'll mount it an try again
[17:06] <jtornero> Walex: yes, now update-grub is working and finished
[17:07] <jtornero> Walex: so I guess it is time to reb....
[17:07] <Walex> jtornero: yes...
[17:08] <jtornero> Walex: ok
[17:09] <jtornero> Walex: Incredible
[17:09] <jtornero> Walex: It has stopped loading. But far away than before
[17:15] <jtornero> Walex mabe it is an issue with fstab
[17:17] <lordievader>  /var being on a different partition means it is not being mounted (if it still just /proc)
[17:19] <jtornero> Now it stops in "starting enable remaining boot-time encrpted block devices" and it still brings up tftp-hpa severs, I think it was related to ltsp
[17:19] <jtornero> I've modified fstab to accomodate my old partitions
[17:19] <lordievader> jtornero: It is, it is used for PXE ;)
[17:22] <jtornero> lordievader Walex: I guess I should unisntall that
[17:23] <lordievader> Meh, it is the least of your problems ;)
[17:24] <jtornero> lordievader: have an idea where they are?
[17:24] <lordievader> jtornero: Where what is?
[17:24] <jtornero> lordievader: those fixable problems :(
[17:25] <lordievader> jtornero: I have no idea what the current state of your machine is...
[17:27] <Walex> jtornero: if you have updated 'fstab' then reboot again. Don't worry about the 'tftp-ha' server or remove it.
[17:28] <jtornero> Walex: I've updated it (I let there the mount line for /proc) but it stucks
[17:29] <Walex> jtornero: where?
[17:30] <jtornero> Walex: first line of fstab
[17:30] <Walex> jtornero: what appears on the screen?
[17:30] <jtornero> Walex: maybe trouble with mount optoins
[17:31] <jtornero> Walex: on the screen?
[17:32] <Walex> jtornero: if the boot is stuck, what is the last message printed?
[17:34] <jtornero> Now, Stoppimg System V runlevel compatibility.
[17:34] <jtornero> Walex: Now, after several seconds, aanother message "stopping boot sequence auditing" is shown
[17:35] <jtornero> I can login as reular user, a mount shows a nfsd on /proc/fs/nfsd
[17:36] <jtornero> Walex: and when login I log in my (real) home directory
[17:38] <jtornero> Walex: Some good news. My postgresql server works. startx makes an attempt but fails.
[17:51] <jtornero> Walex loridevader: I have a little kde glimse. Guess it is going possible to make it.
[17:51] <lordievader> jtornero: X starts?
[17:53] <jtornero> lordievader: system loading stops, I log throug tty1 and after an update-alternatives, sudo startx works more or less (well, less)
[17:53] <jtornero> At least once
[17:53] <jtornero> not again :(
[17:53] <jtornero> but once
[17:56] <lordievader> jtornero: Err, where does it go when it fails to start?
[17:57] <Walex> jtornero:'dpkg-reconfigure' for the X server and desktop manager
[17:57] <Walex> jtornero: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/07/how-to-switch-between-gdm-lightdm-or.html
[17:58] <jtornero> lordievade Walex: yes I found dpkg-reconfigure kdm but m sstem complaints kdm is not found. guess I should dpkg-reconfigure xserver and kde?
[17:58] <Walex> jtornero: sudo apt-get install kdm
[18:00] <jtornero> but kdm is apart from kde?
[18:00] <jtornero> anyway, going on
[18:02] <Walex> jtornero: please remember that this is #Kubuntu not #Ubuntu
[18:05] <lordievader> Err kdm? Lightdm has been the default for Kubuntu for ages.
[18:07] <Walex> lordievader: terrible mistake :-)#
[18:07] <jtornero> well guys. I must go. I really appreciate your help, and tomorrow will be more. Now kde fails to load but right now I'm seeing a graphical thing on my screen. Not functional at all but i see light
[18:09] <kyfella> anyone know a good channel to discuss pasword cracking?
[18:09] <lordievader> kyfella: Likely not on Freenode as it is in most cases illegal.
[18:10] <kyfella> other than Freenode?
[18:10] <kyfella> I have a legit reason for what I am asking.  It is part of an investigation
[18:10] <lordievader> !coc
[18:11] <kyfella> anyone else have an idea?  coc's don't help what I need
[18:11] <lordievader> kyfella: That wasn't the point of the Coc...
[18:12] <kyfella> well, lordie, might it be approperate if your going to throw a link out there, to actually enlighten one as to why your doing it?
[18:13] <sgclark> kyfella: to sum up, I highly doubt anyone can/will assist opn the topic you are asking, because of the CoC
[18:14] <kyfella> so what your saying is, noone here has any knowledge or brains of the subject?
[18:14] <sgclark> that is not what I am saying, I am saying they can't if they signed the CoC which most of has.
[18:15] <kyfella> I love how people throw policies out there in front of them to actually prevent sharing knowlege, of which is the whole reason why linux exists
[18:15] <kyfella> I think the real reason here, extends beyond coc
[18:16] <kyfella> anyhow, thanks for not aiding a real question
[18:17] <lordievader> kyfella: If you actually read the Coc you would understand why we react the way we react.
[18:19] <BluesKaj> kyfella, give it up, nobody is going to help you legit or not ...this an banable offence for users and support on freenode ...go somewhere else
[18:19] <BluesKaj> a bannable offence rather
[18:21] <kyfella> you know, my life revolves around more than IRC.  Getting banned from this channel amounts to me kicking a grain of sand off my boot.  I asked for simple help.  You and your coherts here apparently don't know the information, so why can't you just say that?
[18:22] <kyfella> pardon my direct nature here, but i think this extends beyond coc
[18:24] <BluesKaj> kyfella, whether we know or not is immaterial, it' against the rules...period this is as far as it extends..and the result is anyone who helps with suchg request will get banned not just you
[18:25] <BluesKaj> so enough
[18:25] <kyfella> 01011001 01101111 01110101 00100000 01100111 01110101 01111001 01110011 00100000 01100001 01110010 01100101 00100000 01100110 01110101 01100011 01101011 01101001 01101110 01100111 00100000 01101101 01101111 01110010 01101111 01101110 01110011
[18:59] <scherenhaenden> hi everybody... id need some help trying to install/get woorking a pci usb 3.0 card
[19:00] <BluesKaj> scherenhaenden, usb or pci ?
[19:19] <aljosa> I've added "apple wireless keyboard" and used it w/o problems, put computer to sleep and after that it's not working anymore. i'm getting "apple wireless keyboard is requesting access to this computer" and i'm clicking "trust and authorize" but nothing changes - it's not working anymore.
[19:42] <mokush> Riddell: any change you could add sddm to the backports ppa? the guys fixed the sddm-helper huge memory usage issue: https://github.com/sddm/sddm/issues/297#event-189506223
[20:13] <memphisto> Hi to all
[20:15] <memphisto> I'm using kubunut 14.04.1 and trying to mount luks encrypted hdd with dolphin
[20:15] <memphisto> error i get is An unspecified error has occurred: No such interface 'org.freedesktop.UDisks2.Filesystem' on object at path /org/freedesktop/UDisks2/block_devices/dm_2d0
[20:16] <memphisto> running udisksctl dump shows the device is there
[20:33] <memphisto> it seems that dolphin didn't recofnized my external, encrypted hdd at all
[20:34] <memphisto> this dm_2d0, now that i've double checked is my internall hdd, which is also encrypted
[20:36] <memphisto> have anyone faced same issue?
[20:37] <memphisto> *has
[21:18] <scherenhaenden> BluesKaj:  pci
[21:19] <scherenhaenden> sorry had a few things to do... but how ive said... i bought a pci card... USB 3.0... not way to make it work
[22:18] <MichaelHabib> hi, is it normal for xorg to use  1.6GB ram ?\
[22:19] <MichaelHabib> I have many windows open (~40windows) but is 1.6gb for that too much ?
[22:22] <bprompt> MichaelHabib:    not sure.. .my Xorg process shows 22mbs
[22:23] <MichaelHabib> woo
[22:23] <MichaelHabib> how many windows U have open
[22:24] <MichaelHabib> I have the 40 windows spread out on few activites so could be that is using more ram ?
[22:24] <bprompt> MichaelHabib:     have 3 browsers.... one with 3 tabs, other with 5 tabs, and other with 1 tab.... and an IDE..... hmm about 9 windows
[22:25] <MichaelHabib> does each browser tab add to the xorg usage
[22:25] <bprompt> MichaelHabib:    does it show as a subprocess of xorg.? no
[22:30] <scherenhaenden> does know someone here something about this pci to usb 3.0 cards?
[23:47] <Waffl3x> what are the commands to update
[23:55] <valorie> Waffl3x: how do you usually update?
[23:55] <Waffl3x> I dont remember
[23:55] <valorie> in muon, in the cli, or what?
[23:55] <Fritigern> Waffl3x: sudo apt-full-upgrade
[23:55] <Fritigern> Oops.... sudo apt full-upgrade
[23:56] <valorie> upgrading and updating are different
[23:56] <Waffl3x> k thanks
[23:56] <valorie> one always updates first
[23:56] <valorie> then upgrade
[23:56] <Fritigern> Or, if you wanted to upgrade from 14:04 to 14:10  do-release-upgrade
[23:56] <valorie> but Waffl3x, what are you wanting to update?
[23:56] <Fritigern> valorie is right
[23:57] <valorie> best to be precise about what you want
[23:57] <Waffl3x> flash
[23:58] <Waffl3x> do facebook games generally not work?
[23:58] <valorie> ah, I don't ever play on FB
[23:58] <valorie> you might need pepper-flash
[23:58] <valorie> !flash
[23:58] <valorie> !info pepper-flash
[23:58] <Fritigern> Or install chrome or chromium
[23:59] <valorie> pfff, what is it called
[23:59] <Unit193> !info pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[23:59] <valorie> woah, that one's a mouthful
[23:59] <valorie> thanks, Unit193
[23:59] <Unit193> Sure.