=== Malsasa_ is now known as Malsasa === SirBrin is now known as MrGmail === MrGmail is now known as MrTimmy === MrTimmy is now known as lostSole [04:35] hi, I'm trying to find a way to stop the "auto opening" of new created files . When I create a New File, it opens up with Kate and that's not the program i want it opened with. [04:52] hello. [04:57] buenas noches alguien que hable español y me pueda asesorar [05:19] !es [05:19] En la mayoría de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #ubuntu-es; escriba " /join #ubuntu-es " (sin comillas) y presione intro. [06:07] Chuck? [06:29] anyone here? === jayhunold is now known as jhunold [07:05] pfff [07:16] good morning === David1977 is now known as Guest4508 [08:29] Good morning. [08:55] gmornin' lordievader [08:55] Hey Saphyel, how are you? [08:59] fine, trying to work and you? [09:00] Waking up... [09:15] lordievader: where are you from? [09:17] Saphyel: Stick around long enough and you'll find out ;) (hanging around in #kubuntu-offtopic helps) [09:36] lordievader: netherlands? [09:44] Saphyel: Nice guess ;) Did you lookup my ip? [09:45] I didn't need it, with /whois is enough xD [09:47] Ah, right XD [09:48] I always thought where you live people wakes up very soon === baba is now known as Guest87336 === Guest87336 is now known as baba_ === havingFun is now known as xrosnight [11:01] hello all. I'm having some trouble after messing with ltsp. The matter is that I am not able to boot in my machine but inside ltsp0 instead. [11:03] I think, after some irc with ltsp people, that I've messed up the boot sequence. But don't know in which way, and how can it be reverted [11:13] does anyone have any direction? I'm in a big trouble, providing this is my workstation [11:14] grub.cfg is in http://pastebin.com/B7jxN40i maybe it is useful [11:15] You should ask lordievader maybe asap. [11:20] thanks oromoda [11:27] !pm | jtornero2 [11:27] jtornero2: Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can help you, benefit from your questions and answers, and ensure that you're not getting bad advice. === floown_ is now known as floown [11:28] jtornero2: Anyhow, what seems to be the issue? [11:32] My apologies(thought it was better no to "bore" the other people), The issue is that I [11:33] jtornero2: This channel is logged, might be usefull for people with the same problem later on. [11:33] restarted my machine this morning and wasn't able to boot again. Instead, I am able to get (through tty1) a console login but instead of "my machine" i get ltsp0 as machine. Boot proccess stops at "stopping system V runlevel comaptibility" [11:34] jtornero2: I'm not familiar with ltsp, could you give some more details? [11:34] jtornero2: your report seems confused both in terminology and concept [11:35] jtornero2: if you «wasn't able to boot again» how can you «get (through tty1) a console login»? [11:36] Walex: I was wondering the same thing.. [11:36] walex: Sorry. I'm so confused, sorry about my language. When I said boot again I mean end up with my lovel KDE and my "usual" system [11:36] jtornero2: was your hardware swapped by the evil LTSP team overnight? :-) [11:37] jtornero2: because I am note sure whether by «i get ltsp0 as machine» you are reporting that the "hostname" of your OS changed or you got a completely different hw or a completely different installed system... [11:38] jtornero2: perhaps the issue is that you, without realizing it, cionfigured your existing system as a server for LTSP and with a different hostname, but your system is otherwise unchanged, so there is no reason to panic. [11:39] Sequence: 1) I switch on my machine. 2) Choose the usual menu item in grub menu at the beggining. 3) Boot sequence ends in what I pointe d out before (Stopping system V....) 3) I press ctrl-alt-F1 and I am able to log in with my habitual credentials... [11:39] jtornero2: for example when you login to the console, do you find your usual files and partitions etc.? [11:40] ok, Walex, that's the point. I don't get that. I get another linux-kind filesystem. All the rest of my data and partitions are still there (was able to find it with a live distro) [11:40] jtornero2: it is already good that you can login «with my habitual credentials», that suggests nothing fundamental has really changed [11:41] jtornero2: then the questions is whether you have reinstalled a different distribution on the "root" partition of your machine or just reconfigured it. [11:41] As ltsp-people said, after I told them, maybe it is matter of having installed ltsp-client in the same machine that should act as a server, that messes up everthing [11:42] jtornero2: reinstallation is unlikely because your userid and password are still there. [11:42] jtornero2: what do you see when you do 'cat /etc/issue'? [11:43] Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS \n \l [11:43] jtornero2: and 'lsb_release -d' says the same I hope... [11:43] Yes [11:43] jtornero2: that is very encouraging. [11:44] jtornero2: now try to do this: 'sudo telinit 3' [11:44] Walex: but, for instance, it complaints about not founding dpkg when doing the "obvious" apt-get remove ltsp and stuff [11:44] jtornero2: that's not so awesome. [11:44] Wales: done and nothing happens [11:45] jtornero2: can you 'ping 8.8.8.8'? [11:46] Walex: No. runlevel command raises /var/run/utmp not found [11:46] jtornero2: can you copy-and-paste to 'pastebinit' on another system? [11:47] jtornero2: it may be that you are inside a "restricted" environment such as a LTSP client environment. [11:48] Walex: Depends. If it is something I can paste when booting with a live distro (i have benn looking around with a old gparted live), yes. If not, it is difficult. Right now irc-ing with another machine, and old laptop. [11:49] Walex: But I have to do whatever I have to do!! [11:51] Walex: yes, it looks like that, after what ltsp people told me. And makes a lot of sense. The client won't never starts as the server (the same machine) neither will do [11:53] Walex: so I guess the point is to prevent booting from that restricted environment [12:13] Walex: I'm able to operate... how should I start? [12:17] jtornero2: sorry, brief away-from-keyboard [12:18] jtornero2: please put onto paste.debian.net the output of 'ps xu' or even better of 'ps axu' [12:18] jtornero2: to figure out the chain of processes that booted into the current runlevel [12:19] jtornero2: also the output of 'df -T -BG' [12:19] jtornero2: and that of 'blkid | sort' [12:21] Walex: Ok, let see how I perform that [12:22] jtornero2: also what kind of boot menu did you see at boot? [12:22] Walex typical kubuntu 14.04 grub menu (version 2.02 beta2-9ubuntu1 [12:29] Walex: I've to restart the machine to be able to export the outputs to the pastebin. Would you need any other information or can I proceed? [12:31] since upgrade to 14.10 my internet stops working after around 10-30 seconds when connected via wireless. Any ideas? [12:35] jtornero2: just proceed. [12:37] Walex: OK. In a while I paste the first two commands. But I can tell you in advance that the blkid command outputs nothing [12:37] jtornero2: what is most likely happening is that you are being logged into a LTSP "chroot", and the way out is to figure out how, so you can login in the full account [12:38] jtornero2: 'sudo blkid' too? [12:41] Walex: aaargh! wait a second! [12:41] Walex: yes, sudoing the command makes sense [12:51] Walex: command output are at http://paste.debian.net/130533 [12:57] Walex: sda3 and sda2 are mounted to be able to save the output commands and recover then booting from a live distro === kbroulik is now known as kbroulik-lunch [13:01] jtornero2: sorry, distracted again... [13:04] jtornero2: but if the 'ps' output is from the actual system and not from the live CD (and it is seems from the actual system) your login is likely not inside a 'chroot'... [13:06] the ps output is from wherever i boot into... don't know if a chroot but in any case it's not my usual system [13:11] Walex: pretty annoying issue? === kbroulik-lunch is now known as kbroulik [13:28] hello [13:28] anyone has problem with Kubuntu 14.10. with plazma 5, not being able to save custom shortcuts [13:29] ? [13:29] !plasma5 [13:29] Kubuntu Plasma 5 is a tech preview. To test it out, see http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-plasma5/daily-live/current/ . If you find a bug, you can also check it with kubuntu-ci images for latest builds. [13:29] paradox_: File a bug ;) [13:30] will do, just wanted to make sure it's not something i did [13:31] Walex: any other idea? [13:32] paradox_: Last time I tried it I had the same problem. Never filled a bug about it... guess it never got fixed. [13:44] jtornero2: sorry, being taken away again. I am now going to be here for a while I hope [13:46] jtornero2: the thing that seems to indicate a 'chroot' is that 'dpkg' is missing... [13:47] jtornero2: what does 'ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/' look like? Also 'ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/dpkg*' [13:48] jtornero2: my current working hypothesis is that your system is basically unchanged, but that your personal account is being logged into a 'chroot'. [13:49] Wouldn't that show up in /etc/passwd? [13:50] lordievader: that's one other check to do, but it may show up in the '/etc/passwd' in the containing system, not necessarily the 'chrooted' one. [13:50] Walex: I really appreciate your return and help, believeme. The ouput of both commands (with sudo or not) indicate that the file doesn't exists [13:50] lordievader: at some point I am going to suggest booting with 'init=/bin/bash' [13:51] From following this discussion from bit to bit leads me to conclude that ltsp is something nasty. [13:51] jtornero2: if '/var/lib/dpkg/info/' is empty or missing instead of existing and having hundreds of files either your system is very badly damaged or you are running inside a 'chroot' [13:52] lordievader: no, it is pretty good, but it assumes that you run the client sw on different machine from the server... [13:52] lordievader: http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Concepts#The_LTSP_chroot_environment [13:53] lordievader: basically it turns the clients into remote X terminals for VM-like 'chroot' instances on the server. [13:53] lordievader: "jtornero2" sort of confessed mixing the two. [13:53] Hmm, so not like PXE thinclient booting ;) [13:54] lordievader: PXE X terminal booting when done right on client machines :-) [13:54] Hmm the mini linux distro is likely to be PXE'ed. [13:54] Walex: well, actually not sort of confessed... completely confessed [13:54] lordievader: yes, but the mini distro only contains an X server :-) [13:55] Here we just provide a fluxbox desktop through PXE so users can RDP to our Windows server. [13:55] lordievader: LTSP is similar but with GNU/Linux (not quite the same though). [13:55] Check [13:57] jtornero2: the goal now is to find an account on your base system that does not get you into a 'chroot'. So the best thing is probably to boot with 'init=/bin/bash' and then edit '/etc/passwd' and/or give your 'root' account a password so you can log into it directly [13:57] jtornero2: so reboot your machine and when the GRUB menu comes up type 'e' to enter edit mode. [13:57] Walex: ok [13:58] Walex: I'm in edit mode === pvoigt_ is now known as pvoigt [13:59] jtornero2: then use arrow keys to go down to the 'linux' line and append " init=/bin/bash" to it (without quotes) [13:59] Walex: done [14:00] Walex: guess I must boot now [14:01] yes, Ctrl-x IIRC [14:01] when you are in the boot shell, do 'mount -o remount,rw /' [14:01] Walex: bash:done [14:02] jtornero2: and after remount '/' RW, have a look at 'egrep "root|peo" /etc/passwd' [14:02] jtornero2: what kind of shell or home directory have they got? [14:03] jtornero2: the line for 'root' should look like "root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash" [14:03] Walex: wait a second. 'peo' was a fast-name for mounting the thing that time. I guess I should put my regular user instead peo? [14:03] jtornero2: yes. [14:04] Walex: Ok: antares:x:1000:1000:antares,,,:/home/antares/bin/bash [14:04] jtornero2: is "/home/antares/bin/bash" expected? Why is it not "/bin/bash"? [14:05] Modified bash script/binary? [14:05] Walex: sorry, the final part is /home/antares:/bin/bash [14:06] jtornero2: that's fine then, but then I don't get how you end up in a 'chroot'. [14:06] Upstart service? [14:07] jtornero2: do you see now many files in 'ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/'? [14:07] lordievader: that would be horrifying :-) [14:07] Walex: It would be... but I wouldn't be surprised ;) [14:07] jtornero2: BTW, do you have a separate '/var/' partition? [14:08] jtornero2: look at 'cat /etc/fstab' for that [14:08] Walex: now my /etc/fstab just read "Dynamically generated by LTSP and just have a single line [14:09] Walex: but wait a second. I'll try to mount the sda partitions to see [14:09] jtornero2: what does that single line look like? [14:09] jtornero2: you seem to have tried to configure your system as LTSP "thick" client [14:10] Walex: proc /proc proc nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0 [14:10] Hehe :P [14:10] What a mess. [14:11] jtornero2: I need to have a look inside the LTSP client package because "lordievader" is probably quite right that having setup your system as a LTSP "thick" client there is an 'upstart' script that boots you into a LTSP client environment. [14:11] jtornero2: wait a bit [14:13] jtornero2: in the meantime try: 'ls -l /etc/init/ltsp*' [14:14] Walex: ltsp-client-core.conf and ltsp-cluster.accountmanager.conf [14:15] I think that 'ltsp-cluster.accountmanager.conf' is for the server part, and indeed 'ltsp-client-core.conf' is probably the source of much of your trouble. [14:16] Hey folks [14:17] Walex: guess is not going to be as easy as 'rm ltsp-client-core.conf' [14:18] jtornero2: it could be as easy as that... [14:18] jtornero2: Could you pastebin that script? [14:18] jtornero2: and then removing the 'ltsp-client' package. [14:18] jtornero2: I just looked at that script [14:18] lordievader: he cannot easily, but I can, wait a sec [14:19] lordievader: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8852327/ [14:19] lordievader: and this is '/usr/share/ltsp/ltsp-init-common': http://paste.ubuntu.com/8852329/ [14:20] Walex: Thank you very much. My file looks exactly equal as the first pastebin. I'll look the next, hold a second [14:22] Hmm, they don't seem to start chroots or something. [14:23] lordievader: because I think he installed the "thick" client stuff. So he may have turned his '/' filetree into a thick client one... [14:23] I.e. his install is nuked? [14:23] jtornero2: it would be exceptionally useful to figure out which partitions holds your '/var' filetree [14:24] Walex lodridevader: ok, let me boot with the live distro [14:24] lordievader: perhaps his install is nuked, but if that is the case it has been replaced by a mini-Ubuntu install, which can be easily upgraded to a full on [14:24] jtornero2: you don't need to boot the livedistro [14:25] Walex: too late :( It is just if I want to copy/paste whatever I can't do without that [14:25] jtornero2: do you remember the network parameters for your system? [14:26] Walex: more or less, but just my IP [14:26] Im running kubuntu 14.04 LTS on an ARM Samsung Chromebook [14:26] I'm getting an issue with installing swap on this device [14:26] sudo mkswap -L "SWAP-PARTITION" /dev/sda1 [14:27] more /etc/fstab LABEL="SWAP-PARTITION" none swap sw 0 0 [14:27] sudo swapon -v -L "SWAP-PARTITION" swapon on /dev/sda1 swapon: /dev/sda1: found swap signature: version 1, page-size 4, same byte order swapon: /dev/sda1: pagesize=4096, swapsize=2147483648, devsize=2147483648 swapon: /dev/sda1: swapon failed: Invalid argument [14:27] !paste | dashcloud [14:27] dashcloud: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [14:27] !paste | drandynisbet [14:27] drandynisbet: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [14:27] dashcloud: Whoops, sorry. [14:28] drandynisbet: What happens when you simply run "sudo swapon"? [14:29] swapon: /dev/sda1: swapon failed: Invalid argument [14:30] I am booting from an external SD card [14:30] I have tried to make a swapfile on the SD card (same error) [14:30] drandynisbet: out of curiousity when you installed, did you enable the "encrypted home directory" option? when i did that with 14.04 no swap file/partition was created at all, some sort of installer bug maybe...not sure about 14.10 i just used full disk encryption and left it off [14:31] I have tried a partition on a USB drive [14:31] saem error, [14:31] I am not using encryption, or at least I did not enable it [14:31] drandynisbet: Make the swappartition without the label, and put it in fstab with /dev/sda1. Then try again. [14:32] Done it already [14:32] Done it using /dev/sda1 [14:32] and wiuth UUID [14:32] and with LABEL [14:32] saem error each time [14:33] drandynisbet: Does a swap file work? [14:34] nisbeta@arndale2:/$ cat /proc/swaps [14:34] returns [14:34] Filename Type Size Used Priority [14:34] drandynisbet: ahh okay...sorry that was probably not very helpful, it's just the first swap issue that came to mind so i figured i'd check it out anyway :) [14:34] with no entries [14:34] so its not working [14:34] Walex: I've mounted all my sda's. In sda4 is where my dpkg/info folder is, and it contains a whole bunch of files [14:35] Are you using an ARM chromebook? And are you using an external SD? [14:35] drandynisbet: Who are you addressing here? [14:37] If anyone has got swap working on an ARMv7 chromebook, with an external SD install then I'd be interested to know how. I guess something is broken/turned off in the kernel. [14:38] Walex lordievader: 12835 files (.list, .md5sumds....) [14:39] drandynisbet: A swapfile on ARMvX RPi works fine. [14:39] drandynisbet: Hence the suggestion to use a swap file. [14:39] Have you used the internal storage to install? [14:39] to [14:39] drandynisbet: What internal storage? [14:40] drandynisbet: /boot is on the SD card, the rest is loaded through nfs. [14:40] lordievader: the internal nonvolatile memory [14:41] We have nfs working, and have had automount working previously. [14:41] drandynisbet: The RPi doesn't have any of that. (Unless you are referring to the SD card) [14:42] My target ... is a Samsung Chromebook XE303C12-A10UK [14:42] You can install on its internal NVM or on an external SD or USB. [14:43] Ive installed on an SD card so it's /dev/mmcblk1 [14:44] How would I determine if user directories were encrypted by default? [14:44] drandynisbet: Ls their directory with root. [14:45] I can see files, so I guess they are not encrypted? [14:45] and more them ... [14:45] sucessfully for text. [14:45] drandynisbet: For ecryptfs you'd see a text file on how to unlock your home-dir. [14:46] ok so enryption is not a reason wh y swapon might fail (I have seen this issue mentioned in some of the wikis) for me [14:47] Another user had the same problem on archlinux http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=7337 [14:51] jtornero2: that's good [14:52] Walex: I really want to believe that :) [14:52] jtornero2: did you find where the other partitions should be mounted? [14:53] Walex: oh yes, I am able to remount all the tree (well, my home is a little tricky due to some issues in the past) but the important things, yes I do [14:53] jtornero2: you still in the liveCD? [14:53] jtornero2: what kind of liveCD is it? [14:54] Walex: a gparted live from 2013 [14:54] jtornero2: that's a bit thin. Do you have an Ubuntu install/rescue disk? [14:54] jtornero2: never mind... [14:55] I have my Kubuntu 14.04 LTS dvd [14:55] jtornero2: make a note of which partitions should be mounted where... [14:56] Walex: just one thing, /tmp not pretty sure, but it should have plugtmp folder inside? [14:56] jtornero2: never mind about '/tmp' as it just be a directory on '/' anyhow [14:57] what could happen if I take away all rights on .xsession-errors so nobody (especially not the "this should neverh appen" spam) could write in there? [14:57] Walex: it is just I have a partition for this, I guess [14:57] jtornero2: that can be fixed later... [14:58] jtornero2: the plan I have in mind is to get you to 'chroot' into your system from a Ubuntu-like liveCD, as working from the 'init=/bin/bash' prompt is a bit uncomfortable and has some downsides. [14:58] jtornero2: are you familiar with using 'screen'? [14:59] Walex, just for peeking /dev/ttyS0 and related stuff [15:00] jtornero2: but do you know the commands to create sessions in it etc? [15:00] Walex: but know enogh for ctrl+a and :q to quit [15:00] jtornero2: good enough [15:00] jtornero2: then reboot with 'init=/bin/bash' as before and then when you are in BASH start 'screen' [15:00] Walex: no, but I have this laptop and the machine, so the googling could do the trick [15:00] Walex: ok [15:02] Walex: when screen, got '/var/run/screen/S-root': Read-only filesystem [15:02] jtornero2: Remount it rw ;) [15:03] jtornero2: you need to 'mount -o remount,rw /' as before... Forgot to remind you of that. [15:03] jtornero2: do that from outside 'screen'. [15:03] jtornero2: do 'ps t' to check whether you are inside 'screen' [15:03] wait a second, forgot to remount [15:04] Walex: screen on [15:04] now mount on '/var' the appropriate partition and the same for '/usr' [15:05] Walex: I sent ps t and got tw lines (/bin/sh and ps t) but prompt just # I guess it is correct [15:06] jtornero2: and which TTY did it list? [15:07] Walex: lost those lines, I'll start over (my font size is like a airplane) [15:09] Walex: pts/0 [15:09] jtornero2: that's good, you are indeed inside 'screen' which helps [15:10] jtornero2: have you mounted the partitions with '/usr' and '/var' in them? [15:10] Walex: I'll mount /var then. /usr is already mounted because / is mounted [15:10] Walex: /var mounted [15:14] Walex: sorry, maybe I've not explained well: When booting, /dev/sda2 is mounted, which means that I've / filesystem mounted. [15:15] Walex: In that partition I had / with man other folders but I have /var in a partition apart (/dev/sda4) [15:15] jtornero2: what does 'ls -ld /usr/bin/dppkg*' list? [15:15] jtornero2: what does 'ls -ld /usr/bin/dpkg*' list? [15:16] Walex: 2 files [15:17] Walex: sorry 24 files [15:17] jtornero2: that's good [15:17] jtornero2: now 'dpkg -l "ltsp*"' [15:20] Walex: it outputs a nice tabulated info screen with: ltsp-client, ltsp-client-co,ltsp-cluster-a,ltsp-docs,ltsp-server,ltsp-server-standalone,ltsp-utils,ltspfs,ltspfsd and ltspfsd-core packages. Columns are trimmed but first column shows 'ii' [15:20] jtornero2: good, good [15:22] jtornero2: then I would suggest 'dpkg --purge' at least the "ltsp-client" ones :-) [15:22] the package description for 'ltsp-client' says: "DO NOT install this package on a regular machine, it is intended only for installation inside a LTSP client file system." :-) [15:23] jtornero2: also 'dpkg --purge ltspfs' [15:23] Walex: Ok, let's see [15:27] for those who are following: using 'screen' in the 'init=/bin/bash' case helps for various reasons, but the main one is that 'init=/bin/bash' does not set up the TTY session properly. [15:27] I think that one can use 'init=/usr/bin/screen' directly, but on some systems '/usr' is not mounted at that point. [15:29] Walex: it complaints a little but I've managed to remove all. Time to reboot? [15:29] jtornero2: not yet... [15:29] jtornero2: almost. [15:29] Walex: ok [15:29] * lordievader is curious to see if Walex will pull it off :) [15:29] jtornero2: 'service networking start' and 'ip a' and 'ip r' [15:30] lordievader: there is no question that there is a working Kubuntu install on the disk, so one way or another, it now depends on how much damage installed 'ltsp-client*' did and how to fix it. [15:31] Walex: done [15:31] jtornero2: and what did 'ip a' and 'ip r' say? [15:31] just the dotted numbers... [15:32] jtornero2: do you recognize the dotted numbers? [15:32] Walex: yes I see a mac, I gueess. But the service start failed, I was "so excited" [15:33] jtornero2: so do you remember the IP address, gateway address and network mask? [15:33] Walex: initctl: Unable to connect to Upstart: failed to connecto to socket /com/unutu/upstart: connection refused [15:33] jtornero2: if your laptop is connected to the same network they can be easy to find or make up [15:33] Walex: yes, it is [15:33] jtornero2: ah yes, that's one of the problems with stupid init systems like 'systemd' (or even 'upstart' [15:34] jtornero2: so we need an IP address, gateway address, network prefix [15:35] jtornero2: in the meantime do 'echo nameserver 8.8.8.8 > /etc/resolv.conf' [15:35] when you have the numbers: ip a a $IPADDRESS/$PREFIX dev eth0 [15:36] and after that: ip r a default via $GATEWAYADDRESS [15:36] Walex: Wait a second. No resolv.conf [15:36] jtornero2: then first 'rm /etc/resolv.conf' and then the 'echo ....' [15:37] jtornero2: when you have done all that do 'apt-get update' [15:37] Walex: there is a resolv.conf (i see it when ls) but not able to reach. [15:37] Walex I'll do the rm then [15:38] Walex: done [15:39] Walex: network prefix is? [15:40] jtornero2: usually something like /24 [15:40] jtornero2: or use the netmask that usually looks like '255.255.255.0' [15:40] Walex: in this windows laptop the netmask is 255.255.0.0 so i should use that I guess [15:40] jtornero2: doing 'ip a' and 'ip r' on your laptop will show you the values [15:41] jtornero2: of course don't use the exact same address value as the laptop, but the prefix/network and gatway should be the same. [15:42] Walex: es, I'll use my usual (fixed) IP [15:42] jtornero2: good [15:45] Walex: troubles with the gateway I guess. No gateway bu automatic configuration adress (range 169.) [15:45] jtornero2: that is rather weird [15:46] Walex: Well I'm not at home... inside my work and things are weird out there. [15:46] jtornero2: on your laptop if you do 'tcptraceroute google.com' what is the first or second address? [15:47] jtornero2: but at work your IT people should be able to tell you which gateway address to use etc... [15:47] Walex: no such command in this windows. Wait a while for installing [15:48] jtornero2: that first address should tell you which gateway your network has [15:51] Walex: in this case is 172.194... I issue it with ip r and: RTNETLINK answers: network is unreachable [15:51] did you do 'ip a a ....' before? [15:52] is your static IP address beginning with '172.194.'? [15:53] Walex: I issued an ip a a before with wrong network mask. I see two inet entries when 'ip a' [15:53] Walex: and no, my fixed is 172.23 [15:53] jtornero2: my impression is that if you have so much difficulty configuring an interface IP addres and gateway address on your network perhaps you would benefit from a *a lot* more training before trying to install LTSP [15:54] jtornero2: how can it be that your gateway address is in a different subnet from your interface address? That does not make sense. [15:54] NAT /me flies away [15:55] lordievader: but the laptop must have the right gateway address... or else we would not be getting anything. [15:55] Walex: no doubt on that. I thougth I was pretty isolated, in the sense that reading the "recipes" About the gateway subnet... just I guess that are my copany it people tricks [15:56] jtornero2: if you do a 'ip r' on your laptop there must in there an address that begins '172.23.' in a line containing the word "default". [15:56] The fact that dhcp returns nothing also says something... [15:59] Walex: Ok don't know what does the installed tracetcp, but I have a fellow right here with linux, and it looks like issuing lp 3 whe get the default to be in 172.23. Sorry about the other stuff, don't know what did tractcp did on this Windows laptop [16:00] stati [16:00] c [16:00] jtornero2: if you have a MS-Windows laptop the you should have told us... [16:00] jtornero2: or perhaps you did... [16:01] Walex: Sorry... i said it but I fear I misused english... I said many times "in this windows" and maybe I said it badly, my apologies (terribly ashamed, believeme) [16:02] jtornero2: I thought you meant "in this window"... [16:02] Walex: yes, that's the point... very sorry about that [16:02] jtornero2: then the command for figuring out the numbers from MS-Windows are all different. [16:03] jtornero2: you never said that 'ip a' and 'ip r' did not work on the laptop. [16:03] jtornero2: ipconfig /all [16:04] Walex: done [16:05] jtornero2: two numbers will begin with '172.23.' and one of them will be the gateway address. it will be on a line containing also "0.0.0.0" [16:14] Walex: got disconnected [16:14] Walex: Sorry [16:15] Walex: I [16:15] jtornero2: ipconfig /all [16:15] jtornero2: two numbers will begin with '172.23.' and one of them will be the gateway address. it will be on a line containing also "0.0.0.0" [16:16] Walex: es, I told you that I haven't the line 0.0.0.0 but I have both the default gateway, which is coincident with a fella ere with linux [16:17] jtornero: then use that address as in 'ip a a defaul via $GATEWAY' [16:17] jtornero: it must have the same subnet as the address of the Kubuntu systenm [16:18] Walex: ip a a or ip a r default via gateway? the kubuntu complaints "an inet prefix is expected" [16:18] jtornero: then use that address as in 'ip r a default via $GATEWAY' [16:19] Walex: RTNETLINK answers: network is unreachable [16:19] jtornero: then they are not in the same subnet... [16:20] jtornero: ask the other user to help you. [16:20] Walex: it is possible to remove an entry issued with ip a a $IPADDRESS/MASK dev eth0? [16:20] jtornero: yes with 'ip a d $IPADDRESS/MASK' [16:20] jtornero: yes with 'ip a d $IPADDRESS/MASK dev eth0' [16:24] Walex: no way. I guess it looked promising [16:27] jtornero: if you don't know the IP address and gateway for your own network you really can't get much use out of that system anyhow. [16:28] jtornero: perhaps do 'cat /etc/network/interfaces' it might still be there [16:29] Walex: looking into my partner's output of lp a has, after inet 172.23.2.187/16 stuff the following: brd 172.23.255.255 [16:29] that is the broadcast address. The gateway address appears in 'ip r' [16:29] Walex: also, my /etc/netwrok/interfaces has auto lo and iface lo inet loopback, maybe an entry for eth0 is missing [16:30] jtornero: that's a problem for later. [16:31] Walex: Ok [16:33] guys [16:33] could u hear me? [16:33] or see what im writing? [16:34] k0s: no! [16:34] Walex: could it be possible that my interface is not eth0? [16:35] srly? [16:35] What are you writing? [16:35] k0s, what client? [16:35] i dont know [16:35] just testing [16:35] quassel IRC [16:35] kububtu IRC [16:35] how could i config it? [16:35] !test | k0s [16:35] k0s: Testing... Testing... 1. 2.. 3... ( by the way, remember that you can use /join #test ) [16:37] or join #quassel [16:39] Walex: on't know exactl what I've done but 1) i am able to ping some host inside m net and ip r shows a line [16:40] jtornero: can you 'ping 8.8.8.8'? [16:42] Walex: no, network unreachable [16:42]