[00:01] <RAOF> desrt: Enjoy https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739697
[00:01] <ubot5> Gnome bug 739697 in .General "GTK should warn when reparenting a shown window" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[00:03] <desrt> brb
[00:04] <desrt> hmm... the one time a year i restart my irc host and now i've forgotten yet again how to connect to canonical irc :)
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[07:24] <pitti> Good morning
[07:29] <seb128> lut pitti, wie gehts?
[07:29] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:30] <pitti> bonjour seb128 ! très bien, merci !
[07:30] <pitti> et toi ?
[07:30] <seb128> très bien aussi, merci ;-)
[07:40] <larsu> guten morgen!
[07:47] <seb128> larsu, howdy!
[08:00] <didrocks> morning
[08:01] <seb128> lut didrocks, en forme ?
[08:02] <didrocks> seb128: encore des petits trucs dans la gorge et donc de la toux, mais sinon, ça va !
[08:02] <didrocks> et toi ?
[08:03] <pitti> hey larsu
[08:03] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[08:03] <mvo> hey seb128, didrocks,pitti and larsu!
[08:03]  * pitti waves to mvo, guten Morgen!
[08:03] <didrocks> guten tag pitti & mvo!
[08:03] <seb128> didrocks, ça va bien merci
[08:03] <seb128> hey mvo
[08:04] <pitti> l'équipe du bureau se leve !
[08:04] <didrocks> pitti: le fait d'être + ou - malade me fait me lever plus tard, oui :)
[08:05] <seb128> pitti, certains étaient déjà réveillés ,-)
[08:05] <seb128> ;-)
[08:06] <pitti> seb128: oui - les gens comme seb128 qui se leve très tard tous le jours !
[08:06] <seb128> lol
[08:07] <pitti> je 'nai jamais pensé ça il y a quelques mois :)
[08:07] <seb128> pitti, moi non plus ;-)
[08:09] <pitti> seb128: est-ce que ce signifie que nous devenons plus vieux :(
[08:09] <seb128> c'est possible...
[08:10] <pitti> ok, so how do we stop nm-applet from writing a pointless .gconf/apps/nm-applet/%gconf.xml
[08:10] <pitti> it's an outright insult now that it seems to be the only thing still using gconf..
[08:10] <willcooke> bonjour madame
[08:10] <pitti> willcooke: "madame"?
[08:10] <pitti> bonjour willcooke
[08:11] <pitti> willcooke: je vois seulement des hommes ici :/
[08:11] <willcooke> :D
[08:15] <TheMuso`> Hey willcooke.
[08:16] <willcooke> hi TheMuso` - just getting the little one ready for school and I'll be with you
[08:16] <TheMuso`> np
[08:21] <seb128> hey willcooke TheMuso`
[08:22] <seb128> didrocks, willcooke, just as another fyi, qtubuntu-media has been fixed in vivid, current desktop-next daily should start and let you log-in now, robert_ancell also have a fix for the "can't click in gtk" issue ... improvements! ;-)
[08:23] <willcooke> \o/
[08:23] <willcooke> good start to the day
[08:25] <didrocks> seb128: nice! will give it a try :)
[08:27] <willcooke> All of a sudden I've got lots of email from the devel mailing list in my inbox
[08:28]  * larsu just got an email: "Indicator scroll event broken from Python for 2 years already. Fix is one line. Can you please fix it."
[08:29] <willcooke> I wonder if this is more spam from that nutter yesterday
[08:29] <willcooke> e.g.
[08:29] <willcooke> "I am using Ubuntu 10.04 LTS working on a 64 bit AMD. "
[08:29] <pitti> yeah, I just got a ton of ubuntu-devel@ mail from 2010
[08:29] <willcooke> oh, yes - it's 2010
[08:29] <pitti> someone who is subscribed apparently bounced a whole lot of old mail
[08:30] <didrocks> yeah, quite annoying
[08:38] <willcooke> libreoffice update this morning too - thanks Sweetshark
[08:38]  * seb128 grrs at the new gtk
[08:38] <seb128> http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/gtkfs.png
[08:39] <seb128> new - old (fileselector)
[08:39] <willcooke> oh yeah
[08:39] <seb128> It looks like they are trying to push some touch ui on desktop
[08:39] <seb128> looks weird to me
[08:39] <willcooke> I hate people who do that
[08:39] <willcooke> ;)
[08:39] <seb128> I wonder if that's just because it changed or if it really looks weird
[08:40] <seb128> willcooke, irony?
[08:40] <willcooke> :)
[08:40] <seb128> I really think it looks less good
[08:40] <seb128> I wonder if we should tweak it back
[08:40] <willcooke> +1
[08:43] <seb128> larsu, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/newgcc.png btw
[08:43] <seb128> u-c-c with the new version
[08:44]  * seb128 opens some bugs for tracking
[08:44] <larsu> seb128: yep, theming is first on my list. Thanks
[08:44] <seb128> larsu, do you want bug reports for those?
[08:45] <larsu> seb128: for now it's fine if you report them here (too many for individual bugs)
[08:45]  * larsu has a list as well...
[08:45] <seb128> larsu, do you want a bug for the combo issue?
[08:45] <larsu> seb128: yes, please
[08:59] <seb128> larsu, I'm tooking notes on http://pad.ubuntu.com/gtk-update-v
[08:59] <seb128> easier than bug reports/keeping track from IRC
[08:59] <larsu> cool thanks!
[08:59] <seb128> yw!
[09:00] <seb128> feel free to annotate/add things
[09:01] <seb128> larsu, checkboxes not having a border, bug or design choice?
[09:02] <larsu> bug
[09:02] <seb128> it's ok for checked one, but you don't even know there is something you can tick for unchecked ones
[09:02] <seb128> k
[09:02] <seb128> added it to the list
[09:03] <larsu> oh, we get minimize and maximize buttons on header bars now
[09:04] <seb128> yeah
[09:04] <seb128> improvement ;-)
[09:04] <larsu> everything still crashes for me. I'll investigate further once the i-messages stuff is done
[09:08] <seb128> larsu, i-m, what process needs to be restarted?
[09:08] <larsu> seb128: just i-m
[09:08] <seb128> larsu, ok, no segfault anymore
[09:09] <larsu> yay
[09:09] <Laney> waah
[09:09] <seb128> :-)
[09:09] <seb128> hey Laney
[09:09] <seb128> how are things?
[09:09] <Laney> alarm failed to sound!
[09:09] <larsu> Laney: 'good morning' would have worked as well
[09:10] <larsu> why do you have an alarm? Didn't we tell you how this job works? ;)
[09:11] <Laney> by maintaining a SUPER STRICT ROUTINE
[09:12] <seb128> ja
[09:12] <seb128> Laney, what do you use for your alarm?
[09:12] <seb128> (don't tell utouch :p)
[09:13] <Laney> nah, a squeezebox
[09:13] <Laney> it's been a bit shoddy lately
[09:14] <larsu> Laney: what are you, German?
[09:14] <larsu> Laney: in any case: good morning :)
[09:14] <larsu> hope you had a pleasent sleep-in
[09:15] <larsu> *pleasant
[09:16]  * seb128 adds lines to the pad
[09:16] <seb128> sorry larsu
[09:16] <didrocks> where is the pad url!
[09:16] <didrocks> quick Laney, bring it back :)
[09:16] <larsu> keep it from didrocks!
[09:16]  * didrocks creates a spreadsheet then
[09:16] <larsu> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[09:16] <didrocks> :)
[09:16] <larsu> didrocks: http://pad.ubuntu.com/gtk-update-v
[09:17]  * larsu is allergic to spreadsheets
[09:17] <didrocks> oh, but you do really have a pad, it wasn't a joke! :)
[09:17] <larsu> ya, too many things to track in launchpad (it's only in the ppa for now, too)
[09:17] <seb128> didrocks, easier than tracking it by irc pings
[09:17] <seb128> we could use a blueprint, but a bit formal
[09:18] <didrocks> the pad is not scrummy enough! :)
[09:18] <seb128> lol
[09:18] <seb128> larsu, did you notice the indicator-sound icons being bigger?
[09:18] <didrocks> (just as a note: I like the pad as well)
[09:18] <willcooke> did someone say spreadsheet?
[09:18] <Laney> I was just passing issues on via irc :p
[09:18] <didrocks> quick quick, find something to please the manager
[09:18] <seb128> shrug, didrocks, see what you did!
[09:18] <didrocks> slides!
[09:18] <didrocks> meeting
[09:18] <didrocks> hangouts
[09:18] <seb128> :-)
[09:18]  * willcooke goes back to his slides
[09:18] <larsu> seb128: nope
[09:18] <didrocks> seb128: with that, we are back to safety ^ :)
[09:19] <seb128> didrocks, well done :-)
[09:19] <didrocks> \o/
[09:20] <seb128> larsu, the indicator-datetime one is obvious
[09:20] <seb128> need to restart u-p-s after installing gtk though
[09:22] <larsu> haha i have it in datetime
[09:22] <larsu> not in sound, though
[09:22] <seb128> larsu, I've it with totem in sound
[09:22] <seb128> not with rb
[09:23] <larsu> I don't have it with totem either
[09:25] <larsu> weird
[09:26] <larsu> ah, now I do (it's only a bit bigger though)
[09:26]  * larsu restarted u-p-s _and_ i-s
[09:27] <seb128> yeah, only a bit
[09:27] <larsu> datetime is awesome though
[09:28] <seb128> yeah
[09:38] <seb128> Laney, not sure if you have details, I know that's a topic that we discussed a bit before, but if you details can you comment on bug #1389336
[09:38] <ubot5> bug 1389336 in webkitgtk (Ubuntu) "Use geoclue-2.0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1389336
[09:38] <Laney> You said the issue
[09:40] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/geoclue-2.0/+bug/1388294/comments/4
[09:40] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1388294 in geoclue-2.0 (Ubuntu) "[MIR] geoclue-2.0" [Undecided,Fix committed]
[09:40] <seb128> Laney, right, I was pointing it in case I was saying something inaccurate
[09:40] <seb128> thanks for checking
[09:41] <Laney> no worries
[09:41] <Laney> I suppose we could think about taking this work on
[09:42] <seb128> I guess we could, not sure what would be the right way to approach the issue though
[09:43] <Laney> that would be step 1
[09:43] <Laney> From the sounds of it it might be in-tree
[09:43] <seb128> well, that comment suggest we could change our server maybe
[09:43] <seb128> or patch the code
[09:45] <Laney> I think there are other clients of the server so you'd want to keep both protocols working
[09:46] <Laney> but yeah, would need poking
[10:11] <seb128> hum, dsl is down (doing IRC through my phone, but I've a limited data plan so I might just drop offline)
[10:37]  * pitti tosses seb128 an interweb cable
[10:37] <seb128> pitti, danke
[10:37] <pitti> "Jordi, boost the pittinet signal strength to extend to Netherlands! Divert power from the coffee machine!"
[10:38]  * pitti hugs seb128
[10:38] <seb128> shrug, we can't have internet and coffee at the same time?
[10:38] <seb128> we are screwed :p
[10:38]  * seb128 hugs pitti back
[10:38] <pitti> seb128: that's what Picard and LaForge always did, no? divert power from live support to the warp drive or shields
[10:38] <pitti> (as if that would make any measurable difference :) )
[10:39] <pitti> and if the coffee machine doesn't count as "life support" for hackers, then what does
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[14:14] <mhall119> didrocks: hey, so the Android thing I'm working on needed the NDK, would be nice if udtc could install that for me too
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[14:15] <mhall119> and do whatever it needs to do so that android studio and/or eclipse know about it
[14:40] <willcooke> didrocks, fyi from mhall119 ^^^^
[14:42] <mdeslaur> md_test: test test
[14:44] <mhall119> willcooke: well I did tag him in it, I assume he'll get an annoying popup or ping or something :)
[14:44] <willcooke> oh - you did, sorry
[14:48] <didrocks> mhall119: the NDK shouldn't be needed with the default options, was it?
[14:48] <mhall119> didrocks: I'm trying to compile a project that uses it
[14:49] <didrocks> mhall119: yeah, so you need to install it
[14:49] <mhall119> studio complained that it didn't have it
[14:49] <didrocks> we can't install all services
[14:49] <didrocks> or the default install would be ~10G
[14:49] <didrocks> because NDK is one thing, but there are support library, google services, google play services
[14:49] <mhall119> right, but being able to `udtc android ndk` would have been much nicer than going to developer.android.com, downloading their .bin, chmod-ing it and executing it
[14:50] <didrocks> mhall119: ah, you mean for something not available in their sdk-manager?
[14:50] <mhall119> the others I can install via the SDK Manager right?
[14:50] <didrocks> yeah, that's doable, mind filing a bug?
[14:50] <didrocks> yep :)
[14:50] <mhall119> sure, what's the LP project name?
[14:50] <didrocks> mhall119: it's on github: https://github.com/didrocks/ubuntu-developer-tools-center/issues
[14:51] <mhall119> oh, right
[14:51] <didrocks> mhall119: what kind of project are you on to have to download the NDK? This is really for a nice-thing :)
[14:51] <didrocks> niche*
[14:52] <mhall119> https://github.com/didrocks/ubuntu-developer-tools-center/issues/47
[14:52] <mhall119> didrocks: it's for a game engine, AndEngine
[14:53] <didrocks> interesting, so yeah, you need it to access the gl stack :)
[14:53] <mhall119> yeah
[15:44] <dgadomski> bregma: hi, is this somehow possible to turn off the "untrusted application launcher" check in unity on precise? For every shortcut I create by dragging from dash to the desktop I end up with a untrusted launcher and I need to modify the perms in /usr/share/applications/*.desktop (which I would like to avoid)
[15:50] <bregma> dgadomski, in 12.04?  I don't think so
[15:52] <dgadomski> bregma: I was afraid of that, thank you
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[18:17] <Laney> bye!
[18:32] <seb128> back
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[22:31] <RAOF> desrt: Or maybe in here, because #-mir is being a bit busy :)
[22:31] <desrt> hm?
[22:31] <RAOF> desrt: Do you mean “what is the definitive list of available cursor names”?
[22:32] <desrt> i already answered my own question by reading the source :)
[22:32] <RAOF> Hah.
[22:32] <desrt> which is that it is open-ended
[22:32] <desrt> if i give you a cursor name that you don't recognise then you'll attempt to open the x11 cursor with this name out of the cursor theme
[22:32] <desrt> which is more or less what i want :)
[22:33] <desrt> there is only one annoying thing: if the name of the icon in the cursor theme is the same as a name that mir uses for its purposes then i'll get the mir icon instead
[22:33] <RAOF> Yeah. We'll give you something more flexible later.
[22:33] <desrt> i'm sure there are some conflicts there.  i'm not sure if they matter.
[22:46] <attente_> robert_ancell: how are you testing things such as the test program from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/1388875 under unity 8?
[22:46] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1388875 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu Vivid) "GTK+ applications unable to be clicked on in Unity 8" [High,Fix committed]
[22:47] <robert_ancell> sudo cp to /usr/bin and make a file in /usr/share/applications/foo.desktop with X-Ubuntu-Touch=true
[22:47] <robert_ancell> Then launch from Unity 8
[22:47] <robert_ancell> For the environment variables I made /usr/bin/mir-test a shell script that called /usr/bin/mir-test.real
[22:48] <robert_ancell> Then the logs are in ~/.cache/upstart/application-legacy-mir-test-*.log
[22:48] <robert_ancell> i.e. stdout/err
[22:49] <attente_> robert_ancell: ah, ok, thanks!
[22:49] <robert_ancell> For faster testing though I run sudo mir_demo_server_shell from a VT. Set the ownership of /var/run/user/*/mir_socket to all writable and launch the apps with DISPLAY=
[22:50] <robert_ancell> I don't know if there's a way to launch things directly into Unity 8 (I suspect the security stuff disallows it)
[22:50] <robert_ancell> attente_, how goes the GTK3 port?
[22:52] <attente_> robert_ancell: not much progress, added some basic cursor support, but xchat-gnome doesn't even launch under unity 8