[14:23] <Lugal> hello
[14:23] <Lugal> what is the difference between the Ubuntu Kernel and Kernels from other distros like Debian, Arch, Fedora...?
[14:27] <apw> Lugal, they are generally at different base versions and carry differnt patches, for more specifics you woudl want to compare the source
[14:28] <Lugal> is one better than another or are they just best for its purpose_
[14:28] <Lugal> ?
[14:30] <Lugal> and another thin: some systems start up faster then others and some run faster.  does this depend on the kernel, or the packages? or on what?
[14:40] <apw> Lugal, i'd suggest that each distro would claim theirs is best for their distro's purpose
[14:40] <apw> speed of boot depends on pretty much everything, speed of machine, speed of disk, size of memory, versions of things, how much crap is installed.  how long is a piece of string
[16:14] <kees> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack implies there should be an "early preview" of 3.16 on trusty by now. Where do things stand for that? (I'm curious to try an LTS backport of the utopic kernel on trusty...)
[16:14] <kees> and in other news, http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/sru-report.html seems pretty empty for utopic...
[16:15] <stgraber> kees: currently hasn't hit trusty-proposed yet. An experimental backport is available in the kernel team PPA though (I've been using it for a week or so here)
[16:16] <kees> stgraber: ah, cool. I can't find the PPA ...
[16:17] <kees> oh, wait, maybe
[16:17] <kees> me checks ~canonical-kernel-team/ubuntu/trusty 
[16:18] <stgraber> https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-team/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[16:18] <fibbance> In 14.10, what is the difference between 'linux-generic' and 'linux-kernel-generic'? It seems that 'linux-kernel-generic' depends on 3.13, while 'linux-generic' depends on 3.16. Is there any other difference?
[16:19] <kees> stgraber: cool, yeah, got it now. thanks!
[16:20] <kees> fibbance: I don't see that on trusty.
[16:20] <kees> $ apt-cache show linux-generic | grep -m1 Version
[16:20] <kees> Version: 3.13.0.39.46
[16:25] <fibbance> I'm on utopic
[16:27] <kees> fibbance: I think you've got a left-over package. I don't see linux-kernel-generic on utopic
[16:27] <kees> apt-cache show linux-kernel-generic | grep -m1 Version
[16:27] <kees> E: No packages found
[16:28] <fibbance> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8853901/
[16:28] <fibbance> This is from apt-cache show linux-generic linux-kernel-generic | pastebinit
[16:28] <kees> Maintainer: Clement Lefebvre <root@linuxmint.com>
[16:29] <kees> you've got some other repositories...
[16:30] <fibbance> Oh, didn't notice that. This was originally a Mint install, I switched to Ubuntu in-place & then upgraded to utopic
[16:30] <kees> double-check your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ for left overs, I'd say. then "apt-get update"
[16:32] <fibbance> I removed all the other sources before upgrading, and just checked that it is indeed the case. Is linux-generic the default kernel metapackage?
[16:36] <apw> yep, that is the default kernel meta
[16:36] <fibbance> Thank you
[16:37] <fibbance> Normally Debian doesn't remove old kernels when new versions are installed, so I wonder why those two can't be installed at the same time.
[16:38] <apw> fibbance, which two ?
[16:38] <fibbance> linux-generic & linux-kernel-generic
[16:39] <apw> what happens if you try
[16:39] <apw> oh i bet they both depend on linux-image-generic but different ones
[16:39] <fibbance> From aptitude: linux-kernel-generic : Conflicts: linux-generic but 3.16.0.25.26 is to be installed.
[16:40] <apw> well that sounds like it has an explicit Conflicts: probabally from a debian kernle name change
[16:40] <apw> trying to install a debian and ubuntu kernel at the smae time does sound like asking for trouble
[16:40] <apw> though of course rmeoving just the metas doesn't actually remove the kernel either
[16:41] <fibbance> apw: the kernels are from ubuntu & mint - http://paste.ubuntu.com/8853901/
[16:41] <kees> stgraber: wooo, thanks. rockin' 3.16 now. 
[16:41] <kees> "kaslr" on the commandline works. :) :)
[16:41] <stgraber> nice :)
[16:42] <apw> fibbance, ok the mint kernel explicityly conflicts with ours, presumably to prevent its install
[16:42] <apw> or because they use that to uninstall ours when they install theirs
[16:42] <fibbance> That makes sense
[16:43] <apw> which makes some sense if thye are using an ubuntu base, but want to control when you get our kernels
[16:43] <apw> and ours doesn't conflict with theirs, because we have no reason to
[16:43] <fibbance> Although only the metapackage is removed, not the kernel itself
[16:43] <apw> right, that is the way with kernels
[16:43] <apw> and indeed is how the "some old kernles" are maintained
[16:45] <fibbance> brb rebooting into new kernel
[16:51] <fibbance> That seems to have worked :)
[16:52] <fibbance> Is there a reason ubuntu-desktop (or some other such package) doesn't depend on linux-generic?
[17:51] <tseliot> apw: JFYI I've just fixed fglrx and nvidia for Linux 3.18. I only have to fix the nvidia legacy (304) driver and broadcom
[18:14] <apw> fibbance (N,BFTL), because different arches have different kernels but the same desktop
[22:13] <infinity> zequence: There's a new precise kernel because reasons (sorry), if you have time to do another rebase?
[22:13] <infinity> zequence: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-lowlatency/+bug/1390177