[08:25] <dkessel> good morning!
[08:26] <elfy> o/
[14:42] <balloons> dkessel, your changes are on http://162.213.35.92/?q=qatracker
[14:43] <dkessel> elfy ^ ;)
[14:44] <balloons> elfy, if you want to test let me know.. I can give you more than a normal user access
[14:45] <dkessel> balloons, thanks
[14:47] <balloons> merging the first change now
[14:51] <balloons> both look good to me
[14:55] <balloons> all merged ;-)
[14:56] <balloons> dkessel, did you see we're having a session at UOS on manual testing? I hope you can attend!
[14:56] <dkessel> \o/
[14:56] <balloons> the tracker will obviously be a good part of the discussion
[14:57] <balloons> woot, so I think I'd like to push this to prod now and we can give it a real shakedown
[14:57] <balloons> that's the web developer inside.. just deploy and see what breaks
[14:58] <dkessel> :D
[14:58] <dkessel> balloons: I guess i can attend... but which track is it? can't find it
[14:58] <elfy> balloons dkessel and what changes are in this test instance?
[14:58] <balloons> I think it's in community at the moment
[14:58] <balloons> elfy, date filtering should work now.. so historical builds
[14:59] <balloons> that and by default the testcase is expanded
[14:59] <elfy> grrr
[15:01] <elfy> balloons: can't see any manual testing session
[15:02] <balloons> elfy, what do you mean? There's not much data out there atm: http://162.213.35.92/?q=qatracker/milestones/1/
[15:02] <dkessel> balloons: it is not in the schedule :)
[15:02] <balloons> sadly I'm not in a position to fix that right now
[15:02] <balloons> dkessel, ohh really? I'll get it scheduled then. it should have autoscheduled
[15:02] <dkessel> elfy: it is on http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/all/ though.... but not schedules for any of the days
[15:03] <elfy> yea can see it there
[15:03] <elfy> balloons: and if by what you mean? you refer to grrr - I refer to "testcase is expanded" :)
[15:04] <elfy> I *really* dislike that ;)
[15:04] <balloons> elfy, I assumed as much. It's not deployed, but I did merge it :-)
[15:04] <balloons> elfy, I think it's confusing for it to be collapsed for new users. Why do you want it collapsed?
[15:04] <elfy> it gets in my way :)
[15:05] <dkessel> hit space then ;)
[15:05] <elfy> but not that important
[15:05] <balloons> elfy, wellI mean you can see summary data on the previous screen
[15:05] <elfy> balloons: time filter in there appeared to work - but as you say no data
[15:06] <elfy> balloons: do these fixes include getting rid of icons for bugs?
[15:06] <balloons> elfy, the merges link to the bugs.. just 2 bugs fixed
[15:07] <balloons> what's up with the icons for bugs?
[15:07] <elfy> have you ever tried to find 1 ?
[15:07] <elfy> amongst 50 you can't even read because they are chinese
[15:08] <balloons> I usually read the bug report.. I don't hover over them
[15:09] <elfy> imagine being someone who's just arrived to report a test result for *us*
[15:09] <elfy> would you WANT to have to do that ? how many people look and just don't bother
[15:10] <balloons> I'm confused on your point, but I do want to understand. So what's the scenario?
[15:10] <balloons> the scenario of a new user, reporting a test result yes?
[15:10] <balloons> and there
[15:10] <balloons> is a a list of bug icons
[15:12] <elfy> and to see if there is a bug already reported someone has to mouseover each one to see if it matches something they are seeing
[15:12] <elfy> tedious
[15:12] <elfy> very very tedious
[15:12] <elfy> the ONLY reason that I bother is because I'm XQA - if I wasn't I would just walk away
[15:13] <balloons> elfy, ahh ok I get it. Yes I agree that should be changed. The bug icons are effectively useless for the reason that so many get reported
[15:13] <balloons> is there a bug report for this?
[15:13] <elfy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+bug/1366581
[15:13] <elfy> balloons: was just finding it :)
[15:14] <balloons> elfy, awesome.. if dkessel has listening ears I'm sure he could help out there.
[15:15]  * balloons wonders if there is a better design idea
[15:15] <elfy> there are actually 9 reported bugs from the session that pleia knome and I did http://pad.ubuntu.com/trackers
[15:16] <elfy> (obviously including the existing at the time ones)
[15:16] <balloons> right, I would call those priority
[15:18] <elfy> the 2 have been merged now? that right? when will it be live or is it?
[15:19] <balloons> yes I merged what's on the dev site I linked
[15:19] <elfy> so live has date filtering now?
[15:20] <balloons> I'm working on getting live updated now
[15:20] <elfy> awesome :)
[15:20] <dkessel> I will have a look at that pad the other day
[19:02] <elopio> ubuntu-qa: where is the source code for nfss ?
[19:02] <nuclearbob> elopio: lp:uci-engine/nf-stats-service
[19:02] <elopio> thanks!
[19:05] <elopio>  nuclearbob: that doesn't seem right.
[19:06] <nuclearbob> elopio: what are you looking for that isn't there
[19:06] <elopio> oh I get
[19:06] <elopio> it
[19:06] <elopio> nuclearbob: I thought it was a branch of uci-engine
[19:06] <elopio> it's a directory inside the branch.
[19:06] <nuclearbob> yep
[19:06] <elopio> nm
[19:06] <nuclearbob> yeah, sorry, I wrote that ambiguously
[19:07] <elopio> nuclearbob: I need to get this to done: https://code.launchpad.net/~nuclearbob/uci-engine/nfss-check/+merge/239603
[19:07] <elopio> it
[19:07] <elopio> looks correct
[19:07] <elopio> where you missing something there?
[19:08] <elopio> *were
[19:08] <nuclearbob> elopio: I just need a review.  I can poke thomi or fginther or somebody about it
[19:09] <elopio> nuclearbob: I will see if it works for me and then ping them.
[19:26] <thomi> I can take a look
[19:27] <thomi> elopio: ummm... do you mind if I take that and clean it up a bit? or would you rather I give a critical review and you clean it up?
[19:28] <elopio> thomi: I have no preference. If you have time and want to clean it up, go ahead.
[19:30] <thomi> elopio: I'll review it - there's a few things I'd like you to fix
[19:30] <elopio> thomi: ok.
[20:30] <Letozaf_> hi balloons
[20:32] <ianorlin> hi I was asked to apport collect bug 1273524 but am having some trouble I tried logging into the guest session and running apport collect it starts to upload asks me to allow launchpad to access my computer log in it asks me to autheticate and give the password
[20:32] <balloons> hi Letozaf_
[20:32] <ianorlin> I can't do it from the guest session if I apport collect from a regular users will it grab the correct info?
[20:33] <balloons> ianorlin, why did you try from a guest/
[20:33] <balloons> ?
[20:33] <ianorlin> the bug is with guest session
[20:33] <balloons> ianorlin, ahh.. yea, it shouldn't matter
[20:37] <thomi> elopio: when our meeting is done, there's a review for you here: https://code.launchpad.net/~nuclearbob/uci-engine/nfss-check/+merge/239603
[20:43] <Letozaf_> balloons, I was trying to run my tests on my device, but having compiled filemanager app in qtcreator's build directory, how am I going to create a click package in the ubuntu-filemanager-app directory if there is no build ?
[20:47] <elopio> thomi: ack.
[20:48] <elopio> alesage: veebers: can you guys review this one please? https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-test-cases/sample-adt-test/+merge/240974
[20:49] <balloons> Letozaf_, I would click build in the build dir
[20:49] <balloons> Letozaf_, that said qtcreator should be able to build the click for you as well
[20:50] <Letozaf_> balloons, :P not used to qtcreator, but I suppose this is the right time to do so
[20:53] <veebers> elopio: ack, I'll add it to my list, should hit it soon
[20:53] <elopio> veebers: thanks.
[20:54] <balloons> Letozaf_, indeed
[20:55] <balloons> Letozaf_, also 'click build .' inside the build dir will build you one
[20:55] <alesage> elopio, ok I'll just run it to verify
[20:55] <elopio> alesage: that will be nice.
[20:55] <balloons> Letozaf_, the trouble with doing it that way is you don't have a armhf build, which the phone needs
[20:55] <balloons> Letozaf_, so I would personally use qtcreator or your own chroot to build it
[20:58] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok let me find out how to do it... I think I read it somewhere
[21:00] <Letozaf_> balloons, I have my device attached to the usb port of my PC, but qtcreator only lets me build application on device and not create a click package
[21:01] <Letozaf_> you mean I have to have an emulator ?
[21:02] <balloons> Letozaf_, it should ask you about creating a kit for the device
[21:02] <balloons> there's a guide for this, one sec
[21:03] <Letozaf_> balloons, mmm.... I messed around with my qtcreator, I should already have a kit... let me check
[21:04] <balloons> Letozaf_, I suspect you have a chroot already yes
[21:04] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes I've got three kits, an amd64 an armhf and i386
[21:05] <balloons> Letozaf_, brillant. build with armhf andyou should be good
[21:05] <Letozaf_> balloons, yep, let's try :P
[21:06] <balloons> perhaps trying out file manager wasn't a good first choice due to all these build requirements
[21:06] <balloons> for doug5 I mean :-)
[21:07] <Letozaf_> balloons, yeah! I think I have confused him a bit today :P
[21:07] <Letozaf_> balloons, no problems I will work it out
[21:08] <doug5> :D
[21:08] <balloons> doug5, if it helps tackle a test need on something like the calendar might be better as a first try
[21:09] <balloons> no compliation, qtcreator, or other extras required :-
[21:09] <balloons> did you get up and running anyway?
[21:10] <Letozaf_> balloons, he's got an emulator set up, I was just trying to find a way to create a click package for filemanager  to show him how to run tests on a device
[21:10] <balloons> here's the guide I was looking for: http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/sdk/tutorials/building-cross-architecture-click-applications/
[21:11] <Letozaf_> balloons, thanks
[21:11] <balloons> following that should allow you to build a cross arch click package as needed.. in this case, compiling for armhf on amd64 or i386
[21:20] <elopio> veebers: did you manage to talk with ogra, or should I mark it for my first thing to do tomorrow morning?
[21:21] <elopio> veebers: never mind. I saw your comment on the bug.
[21:21] <elopio> all happy and green now, awesome. Thanks.
[21:21] <dkessel> good evening Letozaf_
[21:21] <veebers> elopio: yeah, I'm chatting with him now :-)
[21:22] <Letozaf_> balloons, the creation of click package fails: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10083981/Ubuntu%20errors/click.png
[21:22] <Letozaf_> dkessel, good evening how are you ?
[21:23] <elopio> I've just noticed an sprint side-effect. Now when I read things on IRC I have your real voices in my head :D
[21:23] <balloons> haunting
[21:23] <Letozaf_> balloons, MANUAL REVIEW) 'unconfined' not allowed
[21:23] <dkessel> I am fine thank you
[21:24] <balloons> Letozaf_, yes it's a special app.. the click should have built just fine still
[21:24] <balloons> install it anyway
[21:24] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok thanks
[21:26] <elopio> veebers: on your memevents data file branch you have some comments at the end. Is that something that you will do before merging the branch?
[21:26] <Letozaf_> balloons, there is no click package: command failed /usr/bin/click-review that's the last line
[21:26] <veebers> elopio: I thought I had pushed the latest that didn't have that, let me dbl check
[21:27] <Letozaf_> balloons, I cannot find it in the build directory
[21:31] <Letozaf_> balloons, I made it :P I canceled this line from filemanager.apparmor : "template": "unconfined",
[21:32] <Letozaf_> I built the package :P hope it works :P
[21:37] <Letozaf_> balloons, so I tried to lauch the click package with adt-run but I get this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8857327/ so probaly I have done something wrong
[21:41] <balloons> Letozaf_, ohh you killed the template? it's needed in order to run
[21:41] <balloons> Letozaf_, I think the click package is up one directory above the build
[21:41] <Letozaf_> balloons, I killed what ? :P
[21:41] <balloons> or possibly in the branch directory
[21:42] <balloons> Letozaf_, I meant that you removed the unconfined line. It's needed
[21:42] <Letozaf_> balloons, oooh! :P
[21:42] <balloons> Letozaf_, version 3.7git2 looks good
[21:43] <balloons> Letozaf_, is your phone in r/w mode? did you install anything on it?
[21:43] <Letozaf_> balloons, if I leave the unconfined line the click is not created
[21:43] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes my phone is in r/w mode and yes I installed a lot of things on it
[21:43] <balloons> Letozaf_, well before we go through all this.. you didn't actually change the code do you?
[21:44] <balloons> Letozaf_, the adt issues stem from that looks like :-) That said, the autopilot-touch version looks old
[21:44] <balloons> Letozaf_, if you didn't change anything, there's no reason to have to push a new click package
[21:44] <balloons> just use what's already on the device :-)
[21:45] <Letozaf_> balloons, I only changed the tests
[21:46] <Letozaf_> balloons, how do I get the click on the device, I mean where is it placed ?
[21:46] <balloons> Letozaf_, right, so all this build silliness isn't actually needed anyway
[21:46] <balloons> adt-run ubuntu-filemanager-app --click=com.ubuntu.filemanager --- ssh -s adb
[21:47] <balloons> Letozaf_, adt will just use the click already installed if you just pass the name like so
[21:47] <Letozaf_> balloons, oh! cool didn't know you could do that
[21:47] <balloons> Letozaf_, yea. sometimes we go down rabbit holes we don't need to do
[21:47] <Letozaf_> balloons, you guys got magic wands
[21:48]  * dkessel imagines balloons with a wizard hat
[21:49]  * balloons stands up extra tall
[21:49] <Letozaf_> lol
[21:50] <Letozaf_> balloons, bad luck for me tonight: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8857435/
[21:51] <Letozaf_> balloons, maybe rebooting the device would help, or maybe I just messed something up
[21:55] <Letozaf_> balloons, oooh! it's running the com.ubuntu.filemanager_0.3.latest_armhf.click non the "default" one on the device...
[21:59] <balloons> Letozaf_, oh right the apt error will still be there
[22:00] <Letozaf_> balloons, :( no luck I tried again
[22:00] <balloons> Letozaf_, you really should have a r/o image without extras for best results. That said, since you are r/w, ry removing the stuff you installed. pitti would actually just recommend you reflash and leave it
[22:01] <balloons> I've not played around as much with adt since autopilot was removed from the image
[22:02] <Letozaf_> balloons, I will reflash my device and try again, and also leave it r/o ... but tomorrow, now I think I will go to bed :P
[22:03] <balloons> Letozaf_, sounds good. Let me know how it goes.. And the fun never ends does it? :-)
[22:04] <balloons> once this stuff with ap being removed and adt being used more instead things should settle
[22:04] <Letozaf_> balloons, well let's say that we wouldnt' be good testers if we did not have fun doing these things, right ?
[22:04] <Letozaf_> balloons, I enjoy myself :P
[22:05] <Letozaf_> balloons, night going to bed now, I will let you know how it goes tomorrow
[22:05] <Letozaf_> balloons, good night
[22:05] <Letozaf_> doug5, good night to you too
[22:10] <dkessel> meh. bug 1268359 is still there without any activity on it. I sure won't be able to use the webcam on UOS
[23:08] <elfy> balloons: you about for a quick question re what autopilot could do?
[23:18] <balloons> elfy, shoot
[23:18] <elfy> balloons: ok - so bear with me, I'll be as concise as I can
[23:18] <balloons> dkessel, any idea on the specific cam? it could be anything on something like that
[23:19] <elfy> so could we get ap to touch a bunch of files - foo.pdf, foo.mp3, foo etc
[23:19] <elfy> then get ap to check that each opens with it's default application?
[23:20] <elfy> balloons: does that make sense?
[23:23] <elfy> dkessel: watch balloons reply to ^^ as it refers to chat in xubuntu-devel
[23:30] <balloons> elfy, hmm.. That wouldn't actually need autopilot.
[23:31] <elfy> balloons: ok - so what *would* it need :)
[23:31] <balloons> you could do that in bash even I suppose. Just create the files and check for the existence of the default app running after you open with xdg-open
[23:31] <balloons> I'm saying you could do it very simply
[23:31] <elfy> yea
[23:31] <elfy> I am all for that :)
[23:31] <balloons> lol.. depending on what it was for, it would slot nicely as an autopkgtest I think
[23:31] <elfy> currently we're at touch and a bunch of right clicks :)
[23:32] <elfy> balloons: what we are after is a way to mitigate this happening again
[23:32] <elfy> bug 1382977
[23:33] <elfy> or at least catching it prior to release
[23:34] <elfy> all I think we need do is check that app opens from foo - rather than some odd thing
[23:35] <elfy> balloons: thanks for fixing the ubuntugnome upgrade thing btw - had people PMing me on forum re that :)
[23:36] <Nothing_Much> Hi everyone
[23:37] <elfy> hi Nothing_Much :)
[23:37] <Nothing_Much> Anybody know how to get the i386 15.04 Ubuntu Touch on VirtualBox?
[23:37] <Nothing_Much> Hey elfy
[23:37] <balloons> elfy, you are welcome.. as are the gnome folks :-)
[23:38] <wxl> is touch a possibility on virtualbox???
[23:38] <wxl> i'd love to do that
[23:38] <Nothing_Much> wxl: I don't know, that's why I'm asking
[23:38] <Nothing_Much> I extracted the 15.04 vivid preinstalled i386 Touch image
[23:38] <Nothing_Much> Though I'm not sure where to go from there
[23:39] <Nothing_Much> Though some of the files: bin, boot, and dev are empty
[23:40] <Nothing_Much> From this page: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
[23:40] <wxl> there is an emulator
[23:40] <Nothing_Much> Yeah, but I can't remember what I did with it :(
[23:40] <Nothing_Much> I'd rather use VBox anyways
[23:41] <elfy> Nothing_Much: I thought there was an issue with touch and vbox - but I don't know for sure
[23:41] <elfy> and hi wxl
[23:41] <wxl> hi elfy :) how's xubuntuville?
[23:42] <Nothing_Much> elfy: I know about some issues, but where would I go by installing the image? Should it have still been in a tar.gz or should it be extracted?
[23:45] <elfy> Nothing_Much: no really - I do lot's for Xubuntu, but as far as Ubuntu is concerned, if someone like balloons asks me to confirm a desktop bug or I'm checking an Xubuntu one is general I don't touch UBuntu much at all
[23:46] <Nothing_Much> oh ok
[23:46] <wxl> Nothing_Much: it sounds like what elfy's trying to say is he doesn't touch touch
[23:46] <Nothing_Much> Teehee
[23:46] <elfy> wxl: pretty much the same :) we're looking at pushing exploratory testing this cycle
[23:46] <elfy> lol wxl :)
[23:46] <wxl> elfy: oh new testcases?
[23:46] <elfy> no - just not calling for people to test unless we want specific testing done
[23:46] <elfy> nothing in stone yet though
[23:47] <wxl> yeah makes sense
[23:47] <wxl> i'm pushing for that, at least for the change to lxqt
[23:47] <wxl> i also need some freaking triagers. i swear, i'm the only one.
[23:48] <elfy> :)
[23:48] <elfy> I don't do that
[23:49] <wxl> yeah well i'm sure you have people to do that
[23:49] <elfy> wxl: does get a bit depressing out at the front trying to get people to join in sometimes :)
[23:49] <wxl> we don't have a separate bug team. it's part of qa for us
[23:49] <elfy> wxl: yep
[23:49] <wxl> totally
[23:52] <elfy> balloons: so yea - bash does it simply enough, what's the autopktest deal then?
[23:54] <elfy> nvm - worked it out - not sure that's the right way of looking at this issue
[23:56] <balloons> elfy, http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep8/
[23:56] <elfy> yea I'm there :)
[23:56] <balloons> there's a better link on the ubuntu wiki, but yea
[23:56] <balloons> it's the easiest way to get them to run as part of a package.. if you are looking for a one off then well
[23:57] <elfy> this issue is that mimetype's where all wrong, so pdf opened with gimp etc
[23:58] <elfy> so I can get bash to touch me some files and xdg-open opens them, just want to close them after enough time to see that some random app's not opened now
[23:59] <elfy> and the package was xubuntu-default-settings and it's Trolltech.conf
[23:59] <elfy> mmm
[23:59] <elfy> that was the Qt thing actually lol