[08:57] <mzanetti> MacSlow: hey ho
[09:08] <dandrader> Saviq, just flashed mako with devel-proposed and have unity8 crashing with this on start up: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8848881/  I think I read something about it somewhere. do you know what's the easy fix for it?
[09:09] <Saviq> dandrader, huuh, do you have media-hub running?
[09:10] <dandrader> let me "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade". maybe the fix is not in the current image yet...
[09:11] <dandrader> Saviq, oh yeah, media-hub is being upgraded now...
[09:14] <dandrader> Saviq, works now :)
[09:14] <Saviq> dandrader, still, shouldn't have happened...
[09:14] <Saviq> dandrader, sounds like we messed up the deps somewhere
[09:21] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ping
[09:21] <Saviq> tsdgeos, wassup?
[09:22] <Saviq> dednick, saw email from Kevin?
[09:22] <dednick> Saviq: ya. looking into it now
[09:22] <Saviq> dednick, ok, let me know if you need a hand
[09:22] <dednick> Saviq: i thought we were relasing that silo into rtm?
[09:22] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i don't udnerstand why some code i did in GenericScopeView regarding visibility ranges and stuff
[09:22] <tsdgeos> Saviq: was wondering if talking wiht you may help :D
[09:23] <Saviq> tsdgeos, sure :)
[09:24] <Saviq> tsdgeos, wanna mumble?
[09:24] <Saviq> dednick, first into vivid
[09:24] <tsdgeos> probably better yeah
[09:25] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ↑
[11:12] <facundobatista> Hola
[11:47] <dandrader> greyback, I'm having problems building unity8 and qtmir for the PPA as they're not getting the new unity-api
[11:47] <dandrader> greyback, https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/+recipe/qtmir-shellrotation
[11:47] <dandrader> greyback, the new unity-api is already in the PPA (https://launchpad.net/~unity-team/+archive/ubuntu/demo-stuff/+packages)
[11:48] <dandrader> greyback, but still qtmir and unity8 refuse to build due to missing dependencies. do I have to tweak their recipes somehow?
[11:50] <dandrader> mzanetti, ? ^
[11:51]  * mzanetti looking
[11:54] <mzanetti> dandrader: I think its because of the ~ in the version
[11:54] <mzanetti> dandrader: ~ makes it smaller
[11:55] <dandrader> versioning hell
[11:55] <mzanetti> so requires >= 7.94 won't be fulfilled with 7.94~foo
[11:55] <dandrader> mzanetti, in unity-api you mean?
[11:55] <mzanetti> yeah
[11:55] <mzanetti> dandrader: use - instead of ~
[11:55] <dandrader> mzanetti, ok, thanks!
[11:55] <kgunn> dandrader: or just add {time} to the end of the version, it will make it bigger
[11:56] <mzanetti> yeah, but not after a ~ :)
[11:56] <kgunn> right
[11:56] <greyback__> sodding broadcom chip
[11:57] <dandrader> mzanetti, so "7.94-0~164~ubuntu15.04.1 < 7.94"?
[11:57] <greyback__> I'd use 7.94+{bzr}
[11:57] <mzanetti> I think so... not entirely how the -0 comes into play
[11:57] <greyback__> the "-0" always confuses me
[11:57] <greyback__> 7.94-0 < 7.94
[11:58] <Zhenech> why don't you depend on ">= 7.94~"
[11:58] <dandrader> yeah, I just went with the default version rule that the recipe gives....
[11:59] <dandrader> greyback__, what's the difference between 123-foo and 123+foo?
[11:59] <mzanetti> Zhenech: because this is just a testing ppa and we don't want to mess with control file
[11:59] <greyback__> dandrader: dpkg treats them differently - the exact details I don't know.
[12:00] <greyback__> dpkg --compare-versions 7.94-0 le 7.94 && echo "yes"   - prints yes
[12:00] <greyback__> dpkg --compare-versions 7.94+0 le 7.94 && echo "yes"  - prints nothing
[12:00]  * dandrader write it down
[12:00] <kgunn> wow
[12:02] <greyback__> mterry understands this stuff. I just play it safe by avoiding the -
[12:02] <Saviq> greyback__, dandrader, that's because upstream version 1.00 is meant to be higher than debian version 1.00-debian1
[12:03] <kgunn> does anyone know how to simulate 1) a sim that is locked & 2) simulate locking on an actual sim ?
[12:03] <Saviq> kgunn, not all SIMs support it at all
[12:03] <greyback__> Saviq: *nod* makes sense
[12:03] <Saviq> kgunn, but with phonesim you can emulate it
[12:03] <kgunn> Saviq: yeah, i gotta at&t prepaid that has no locking
[12:04] <Saviq> kgunn, AFAIK in the US you basically don't get lockable SIMs
[12:05] <Saviq> kgunn, you can install ofono-phonesim-autostart
[12:05] <kgunn>  /me tries
[12:05] <Saviq> kgunn, and then you can interact with the virtual SIM, configure it in /usr/share/phonesim/default.xml I think
[12:06] <kgunn> ah-ha, thanks for pointers
[12:08] <Saviq> kgunn, actually /etc/ofono/phonesim.conf, don't touch the xml
[12:48] <Saviq> greyback__, we have a bug for qtubuntu-media on desktop? bug #1390056 looks like a duplicate
[12:49] <greyback__> Saviq: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtubuntu-media/+bug/1389276 you mean?
[12:49] <Saviq> greyback__, thanks
[13:14] <mzanetti> hmm... my unity8-dash is stuck in a restart loop
[13:14] <mzanetti> seems oomkiller kills it as soon as its started
[13:15] <mzanetti> ubuntu-location-service using 1GB of mem
[13:16] <mzanetti> Saviq: do we know about this or should I try to get more? ^
[13:18] <Saviq> mzanetti, what's the oom score of ubuntu-location-service? found in /proc/`pidof`/oom_*
[13:19] <mzanetti> adj: 0, score: 452
[13:19] <mzanetti> this is rtm (not proposed) on Nexus4, aka the dogfooding phone
[13:22] <Saviq> mzanetti, check in /usr/share/upstart/sessions/unity8-dash.conf
[13:22] <Saviq> mzanetti, does it contain an oom setting line?
[13:22] <mzanetti> oom score 50
[13:22] <Saviq> ok then oom killer is not doing its job
[13:23] <Saviq> mzanetti, find tvoss and talk to him about the service taking all mem
[13:23] <mzanetti> does a higher score mean it should be killed first?
[13:24] <Saviq> mzanetti, yes
[13:39] <greyback__> Anyone have recommendations for a file sync tool where I can mirror a directory across machines?
[13:40] <greyback__> preferably inside my network, not something like dropbox
[13:40] <Saviq> greyback__, rsync?
[13:41] <greyback__> Saviq: but kept up to date, not a one off
[13:41] <Saviq> greyback__, http://sparkleshare.org/
[13:41] <greyback__> Saviq: hmm cool, will give it a go
[13:41] <greyback__> Unison just fails on me
[13:42] <Saviq> greyback__, yeah, unison is not even maintained any more is it?
[13:42] <greyback__> no idea
[13:42] <greyback__> but I love the UI: "something went wrong" -> quit
[13:42] <Saviq> greyback__, Conduit is another potential solution, but sparkleshare should really be what you need
[13:43] <greyback__> oO it's written in Mono! evil
[13:43] <Saviq> greyback__, hmm the ui, maybe
[13:43] <Saviq> greyback__, it's backed with git
[13:43] <greyback__> I don't actually care, I use Tomboy anyway
[13:43] <Saviq> +1
[13:44] <davmor2> greyback__: there is that bittorrent sync thing
[13:44] <Saviq> oh
[13:44] <Saviq> interesting
[13:45] <greyback__> davmor2: true, I heard of that. I just want *something* which mirrors files in my network, save me figuring out scp commands all the time to copy stuff around
[13:47] <davmor2> greyback__: http://www.bittorrent.com/sync/how-it-works  kinda sound exactly like what you need :)
[13:47] <greyback__> davmor2: nice, worth checking out
[14:46] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, finally found the time to sort out the merge-conflicts with https://code.launchpad.net/~macslow/unity8/replace-combo-button-fix-1384730/+merge/240283
[14:46] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, so if you want to take another look.
[14:47] <Lugal> Hello
[14:48] <Lugal> does Unity still have the feature thats its sending search results to canonical, without letting the user know? or has it been changed?
[14:50] <larsu> Lugal: yes (but it doesn't send results, it sends the query). You can turn it off in System Settings > Security & Privacy > Search
[14:51] <Lugal> why is it not turned off at default? its not too obvious to all users.
[14:52] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: ok
[14:52] <Lugal> and is it the only thing that sends something? or does other programms contained in Ubuntu have similar features?
[14:52] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, thx
[14:53] <tsdgeos> Lugal: it's all free software, you should check the source code to be sure
[14:53] <larsu> Lugal: no, unity is not the only program communicating with the internet...
[14:53] <larsu> s/with/over
[14:54] <Lugal> I am not talking about communicating, I am talking about sending private data
[14:54] <larsu> what is private data to you?
[14:55] <larsu> chatting with another person? Sure, that's sent to that other person (via whatever chat provider you have set up)
[14:55] <larsu> doing a google search? That's sent to google...
[14:55] <larsu> joking aside, I really don't fully understand your question
[14:55] <Lugal> the filenames on ones computer can be private
[14:56] <larsu> unity only sends the string you search for
[14:56] <larsu> if you don't want that, you can turn it off
[14:56] <cwayne> and not from the files lens
[14:56] <larsu> right, thanks cwayne
[14:56] <davmor2> Lugal: it's not sending private data if you use the scopes provided, if you use the home then it sends out searches but if you use the files scope it only searches locally and you can turn on and off searches too
[14:57] <Lugal> for example   diary.txt  or    allMyPasswords.txt   or   patiens_data.txt   or what ever someone could have on a computer, he would not want cannonical to know about these file names.
[14:58] <Lugal> or did I misunderstand something
[14:58] <larsu> unity does not send the contents of those files (of course)
[14:58] <Lugal> it sends the strings then I search for my files or only when I search for a programm online?
[14:59] <larsu> the names themselves don't seem very sensitive to me
[14:59] <larsu> when you search for "diary" on the home scope, "diary" is sent to canonical, nothing else
[15:00] <Lugal> but other people knowing about the file names can make me a target for hackers
[15:00] <larsu> no, not really
[15:00] <larsu> but if you're concerned that the file names contain sensitive information, you have the choice to turn off that feture
[15:00] <larsu> *feature
[15:01] <davmor2> Lugal: or as we keep saying use the Files scope which only searches locally, not data sent out anywhere
[15:01] <Lugal> if someone searches for topSecretCompanyData.txt  that could make him a target for hackers
[15:01] <larsu> Lugal: how so?
[15:02] <larsu> how could a hacker use "topSecrectCompanyData.txt" to intrude your system?
[15:02] <tsdgeos> larsu: technically could use to to know you have such secret data
[15:02] <Lugal> because another comnpany who buys the info from canonical would pay hackers to steal the data e.g.
[15:02] <tsdgeos> which is irrelevant as davmor2 says
[15:03] <Lugal> ok, ok, then another example
[15:03] <davmor2> Lugal: it hits the canonical server encrypted so no-one can read that, it is then anonymously sent out to the search providers the results of which go straight to you, at which point do you think someone can read it other than you?
[15:03] <larsu> tsdgeos: yeah, fair enough
[15:03] <davmor2> Lugal: we don't sell info
[15:05] <Lugal> if I play a game, and make screenshot with the name b0mb, and then I search for it, then some secret services can mark me as teror1st. and thats not what your users would want . is it?
[15:05] <Saviq> kgunn, I'll add MacSlow's dropdown branch to vivid silo 16, this being the last remaining thing to land?
[15:05] <Saviq> (for unity8 that is)
[15:06] <kgunn> cool
[15:06] <larsu> Lugal: dude, you just said bomb on a public irc channel...
[15:06] <Lugal> u too
[15:06] <larsu> I say that a lot, actually
[15:06] <Lugal> but, I meant it only as an example
[15:06] <larsu> ya, I get your point
[15:07] <larsu> simply turn it off if you're privacy conscious
[15:08] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: hey! why have i been volunteered to https://code.launchpad.net/~macslow/unity8/replace-combo-button-fix-1384730/+merge/240283 ? i did only comment that it did not merge :D
[15:08] <Lugal> but anyway its not fair for people, who dont know about the turn off option. and if you really need the infos, you could just make a voluntarily survey for your users
[15:09] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, well I tried to "voluneteer" you ;)
[15:09] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: is this going for a critical, rtm, ota1, or what?
[15:10] <MacSlow> tsdgeos: it's critical for rtm
[15:11] <tsdgeos> but needs to be adjusted ^_^
[15:11] <davmor2> Lugal: you know when you open the dash what does the big search box say?
[15:11] <larsu> Lugal: the placeholder text in the search box is pretty clear, I think ("search your computer and online sources" )
[15:11] <larsu> davmor2: :)
[15:12] <davmor2> Lugal: then if you click along the icons at the bottom what do each of those say in comparison
[15:12] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, what adjustment is needed?
[15:12] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: i guess ti's fine
[15:12] <tsdgeos> but if it's critcal, should say critical somewhere and be set by someone of the "Crticail deciding team"
[15:12] <Lugal> I dont know
[15:13] <sil2100> Saviq: ping
[15:13] <Lugal> dont have unitz anymore since having reading bad things about it
[15:13] <sil2100> Saviq: or maybe not, unping!
[15:13] <Saviq> heh
[15:13] <larsu> Lugal: why do you complain about it, then?
[15:13] <Lugal> but is it true, that canonical gives the infos to amazon?
[15:14] <Saviq> Lugal, no, your identity actually never leaves Canonical's servers
[15:15] <Saviq> (identity == IP, nothing else)
[15:15] <Saviq> Lugal, just using your browser is much more "dangerous" in that sense than using Unity
[15:16] <Saviq> Lugal, you're being tracked by cookies, Google search, everything
[15:16] <tsdgeos> facebook!
[15:16] <davmor2> facebook, google+, twitter, any music service, any films service etc etc etc
[15:17] <MacSlow> Lugal, you can e.g. use netstat on the phone, to see what's going out from your device
[15:18] <MacSlow> Lugal, and nmap also works on the phone
[15:18] <Saviq> MacSlow, this was actually about Unity7, but yeah, same applies
[15:18] <MacSlow> Saviq, ah ok...
[15:18] <Saviq> MacSlow, with the exception of the concern what Canonical then does with the data (i.e. nothing)
[15:18] <MacSlow> Lugal, on the desktop it's even simplier
[15:18] <MacSlow> simpler
[15:19] <Lugal> but google/facebook etc track only what i upload, and I can still be sure my hdd to stay private, but when hearing that the makers of my operating system have interest of knowing my hdd content, then my last hope for privacy is gone :(
[15:19] <larsu> if you don't trust the software on your desktop, you probably shouldn't be using software on it to find out what it sends to the internet
[15:19] <Saviq> Lugal, that's plain FUD
[15:19] <MacSlow> Lugal, you're using an openSource OS... that's the best basis for digging really deep, if you have trust-concerns
[15:20] <Saviq> Lugal, Unity does not upload anything anywhere, only the query (meaning what you type into the search string)
[15:20] <Saviq> s/string/entry/
[15:21] <Lugal> ok, and is there  a way to find out with netstat what a programm send to the internet?
[15:22] <Saviq> Lugal, google for "logging internet traffic"
[15:22] <Lugal> ok
[15:22] <Lugal> and one last question
[15:22] <MacSlow> Lugal, common tools are nmap, tcpdump and netstat
[15:23] <Lugal> are the programms in the canonical repo the same as in the developer website and in other distros? or does each distro has its own version of programms e.g. firefox, pidgin, thunderbird, vlc, ....?
[15:24] <MacSlow> Lugal, 99.99% the same... usual difference are packaging-adjustments due to distro
[15:24] <Saviq> Lugal, most distros *builds* it themselves, unless they're derivative, when they use the same binaries even
[15:25] <Saviq> Lugal, as far as source goes, what MacSlow said
[15:25] <Saviq> Lugal, any differences are, again, public - it's all open source
[15:27] <Lugal> ok, thanks for the infos. cya
[15:40] <tsdgeos> Saviq: Cimi_: i changed a bit the updateRanges function on https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/photoscopeimprovements/+merge/239834
[15:40] <tsdgeos> also added a TODO of how to improve it for the future
[15:40] <tsdgeos> which is on what i'll try to work after i review MacSlow's branch
[15:40] <tsdgeos> comments more than welcome as always
[15:55] <tsdgeos> MacSlow:
[15:55] <tsdgeos> 309	- hints: {"x-canonical-private-affirmative-tint": "true"},
[15:55] <tsdgeos> 310	+ hints: {"x-canonical-private-affirmative-tint": "true",},
[15:55] <tsdgeos> ?
[15:56] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: also /*ActionModel {
[15:56] <tsdgeos> ?
[15:57] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, already fixed
[15:57] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, the action-model left-over
[15:57] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: i'm doiing tryOptionToggle
[15:58] <tsdgeos> and i can't seem to click on the combo stuff
[15:58] <tsdgeos> how do i use it?
[15:59] <tsdgeos> or is it just that click is not wired anywhere?
[15:59] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, the click on an option from the expanded OptionToggle does nothing
[16:00] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, only with the testOptionToggle the click is checked for
[16:04] <tatsuta> Hi guys! How can I send a notification with expire time??
[16:06] <MacSlow> tatsuta, what kind of notification? From what type of service/app?
[16:06] <tatsuta> notify-send to dunst
[16:06] <MacSlow> tatsuta, under unity7 or unity8?
[16:07] <tatsuta> I was just wonderung why notify-send doesn't support expire timeout
[16:07] <MacSlow> tatsuta, notify-send implies unity7/desktop
[16:07] <tatsuta> *wondering
[16:07] <MacSlow> tatsuta, notify-osd (unity7) does not allow expire-timeout to be controlled by notification-triggering apps.
[16:07] <tatsuta> why, my scripts need it
[16:08] <MacSlow> tatsuta, that's a design-decision to avoid notification-queue-blocking
[16:08] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: what does the getRaw function do in the test?
[16:08] <tatsuta> So how can we overcome this problem?
[16:09] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: ah i see
[16:09] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, it's needed because of the missing unity-notifications, which implements that call
[16:09] <tatsuta> I also have tried dbus-send with no effect
[16:10] <MacSlow> tatsuta, like I said... notify-osd (the notification deamon/rendering under unity7) does intentionally not support custom timeouts.
[16:10] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: what do you think of http://paste.ubuntu.com/8853665/ so that tryOptionToggle is less weird?
[16:11] <MacSlow> tatsuta, if you want to change that behaviour, you've to patch notify-osd
[16:11] <tatsuta> Oh I see... Can I use another notification daemon
[16:11] <MacSlow> tatsuta, or that
[16:11] <MacSlow> tatsuta, the default one from GNOME still does support that iirc
[16:12] <tatsuta> Thanks! I will google it.
[16:12] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, I'm ok with that
[16:12] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: cool, plz add it
[16:14] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, done
[16:17] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: can i see this in action in the phone with real stuff?
[16:17] <tsdgeos> just call?
[16:21] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, yup
[16:21] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, the changes are transparent to the app
[16:21] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, ah... no wait...
[16:22] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, I'm currently not sure if telephony-service does use the additional actions
[16:23] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, I'm not sure if Design chased telephony-service to add the additional actions.
[16:25] <tsdgeos> LOL
[16:25] <tsdgeos> untransltated strings
[16:25]  * tsdgeos cries
[16:27] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, that is not funny
[16:29] <tsdgeos> dednick: Cimi_: how do we handle translatations in ubuntu-settings-components ?
[16:30] <tsdgeos> or we don't?
[16:33] <Cimi_> tsdgeos, not for now iirc
[16:38] <dednick> tsdgeos: no, there is no translations
[16:38] <dednick> although we do have some strings in there
[16:39] <dednick> tsdgeos: you talking about the message translations? "Reply", "Call back", "Send" ?
[16:39] <tsdgeos> dednick: yes
[16:39] <dednick> there's already a bug and branches for it
[16:40] <tsdgeos> i don't see how any of the branches fixes "Call back"
[16:40] <dednick> tsdgeos: ^ although the fixes are somewhat of a workaround
[16:40] <tsdgeos> they pigy back on telephony-service to get the Reply translation
[16:40] <tsdgeos> but the rest?
[16:40] <dednick> tsdgeos: there is a branch for telephony-service, which supplies the button labels
[16:41] <dednick> the ones in u8/usc are supposed to be fallbacks
[16:41] <tsdgeos> ah i see