[06:44] <pitti> Good morning
[08:16] <didrocks> morning
[08:49] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[08:49] <seb128> happy friday
[08:49] <didrocks> hey seb128
[08:50] <seb128> lut didrocks ;-)
[08:56]  * didrocks reboots under systemd
[08:59] <didrocks> hum, Alt + a is broken in gnome-terminal again :/
[09:00] <didrocks> mnemonics are still disabled though
[09:04] <Laney> yo yo
[09:04] <Laney> happy friday
[09:04] <didrocks> hey Laney!
[09:05]  * didrocks looks at Laney to now fix mnemonics :)
[09:05] <Laney> ...
[09:05] <didrocks> or rather mnemonics disablement
[09:05] <Laney> hello to you too
[09:05] <didrocks> ;)
[09:06] <didrocks> more seriously, weechat is really unusable with this bug :/
[09:06] <seb128> hey Laney, happy friday
[09:06] <Laney> well I'm sorry but the shortcuts work for me
[09:06] <Laney> so I'll need some help debugging
[09:07] <didrocks> Laney: the issue is that they work, there is an issue to disable mnemonics
[09:07] <seb128> xchat-gnome ftw!
[09:07] <didrocks> and so then, they are given to the terminal app
[09:07] <didrocks> seb128: I can run my weechat on the unity8 desktop session at least! :)
[09:07] <didrocks> Laney: edit -> preferences -> enable mnemonics (uncheck)
[09:08] <Laney> alt-a isn't even a mnemonic
[09:08] <Laney> I have it enabled and can switch to that window
[09:08] <didrocks> you global menu doesn't catch it?
[09:08] <Laney> no
[09:08] <didrocks> I can't Alt + a anymore thoughor Alt + 1, 2, 3… to switch windows
[09:09] <didrocks> I guess the Alt + 1, 2, 3 is better of this new tab behavior
[09:09] <didrocks> because*
[09:09] <didrocks> (even with one tab)
[09:09] <didrocks> alt + a, I don't know…
[09:09] <didrocks> Laney: maybe weechat changed its behavior, can you ping here?
[09:11] <Laney> you want me to highlight you?
[09:11] <didrocks> just writing something, so it seems this works
[09:11] <didrocks> I was able to switch where there was some activity with alt + a
[09:11] <didrocks> but weechat definition of activity changed
[09:12] <didrocks> (like join/quit isn't considered as an activity anymore it seems)
[09:12] <didrocks> so alt + a is still working
[09:12] <Laney> why can't you just switch whenever you want
[09:12] <Laney> did you upgrade weechat at the same time?
[09:12] <didrocks> yeah, it's been upgraded at the same time here
[09:12] <didrocks> so they just changed their behavior on alt + a, but it's working then
[09:13] <didrocks> Laney: to switch whenever I want, it's alt + 1, 2, 3…
[09:13] <Laney> ah, alt-a is something about jumping with activity
[09:13] <didrocks> yep :)
[09:13] <didrocks> quite handy
[09:13] <Laney> I have enough windows that it's alt-1-9q-mQ-Z ...
[09:13] <didrocks> Laney: but alt 1…9 doesn't work anymore for you, right?
[09:13] <Laney> you have to clear them, that's my mail
[09:14] <didrocks> I stopped at the troll!
[09:14]  * didrocks reads
[09:14] <seb128> hum
[09:15] <seb128> unity is replacing the firefox icon with a "?" in my launcher since today
[09:15] <seb128> wth?
[09:15] <Laney> I saw that yesterday
[09:15] <Laney> but it's right now?
[09:15] <didrocks> Laney: I can live again! thanks a lot man :)
[09:15] <seb128> Laney, "right now"?
[09:15] <Laney> like I started this morning and it has an icon again
[09:15] <seb128> oh, you mean it's working now for you?
[09:15] <seb128> does it still work if you run and close firefox?
[09:15] <seb128> I logged out and in and the icon was correct
[09:16] <Laney> oh yeah
[09:16] <seb128> but it got replaced with a "?" again now
[09:16] <Laney> second launch
[09:16] <Laney> also I didn't get my tabs back ...
[09:16] <seb128> chrisccoulson!!!
[09:16] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128
[09:16] <Laney> first launch was the close/restore tabs thing, then after I quit and reopened
[09:16] <seb128> weird, firefox didn't change recently
[09:16] <Laney> no icon and no tabs
[09:16] <Laney> GTK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:17] <chrisccoulson> desktop bug
[09:17] <chrisccoulson> :P
[09:17] <willcooke> popey <--> didrocks
[09:17] <seb128> Laney, could be, but firefox is still gtk2...
[09:17] <willcooke> scheduling ^
[09:17] <Laney> yeah
[09:17] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, how are you? ;-)
[09:17] <seb128> hey willcooke
[09:17] <didrocks> popey <--> popey
[09:17] <didrocks> zomg infinite loop! :)
[09:17] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, not too bad thanks. and you?
[09:17] <Laney> I would believe if bamf used it for icon stuff somehow though
[09:17] <willcooke> popey != popey
[09:17] <popey> yo
[09:17] <seb128> Laney, that makes sense
[09:17] <didrocks> !== (he's a web guy ;))
[09:17] <seb128> Laney, neither unity, bamf nor firefox changed
[09:18]  * seb128 adds to the pad
[09:18] <didrocks> popey: hey, you are scheduling my udtc session?
[09:18] <willcooke> morning seb128, Laney, chrisccoulson, didrocks, popey
[09:18] <Laney> seb128: check bamf actually does use it though
[09:18] <Laney> hi willcooke
[09:18] <chrisccoulson> hi willcooke
[09:18] <popey> didrocks: just just asking when you want it
[09:18] <Laney> yeah bamfdaemon links against gtk23
[09:18] <Laney> 3
[09:18] <seb128> Laney, $ ldd /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/bamf/bamfdaemon | grep gtk
[09:18] <seb128> 	libgtk-3.so.0 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgtk-3.so.0 (0xb6e2d000)
[09:18] <didrocks> popey: I have a community guy coming to the session, he can either on wednesday or thursday, but only at 5PM UTC
[09:19] <popey> 5pm is lunch
[09:19] <popey> "lunch"
[09:19] <popey> http://drool.popey.com/
[09:19] <didrocks> ok, then 6 (I'll just finish up a little bit earlier with him)
[09:19] <popey> ok
[09:20] <didrocks> hehe :)
[09:20] <popey> done
[09:20] <didrocks> popey: thanks! I'll email him! (did you set it to wednesday or thursday?)
[09:20] <Laney> you have lunch at 5pm?
[09:20] <popey> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/2014-11-12/display?edit
[09:20] <didrocks> Laney: that's what summit.ubuntu.com tells you, that's what you will do then! :)
[09:20] <popey> it's always lunchtime somewhere
[09:20] <Laney> UOS lunch
[09:20] <Laney> hahaha
[09:20] <popey> didrocks: that okay?
[09:21] <didrocks> popey: perfect! do you who should I ask for the platform track?
[09:21] <didrocks> I have the bluez session there
[09:22] <popey> didrocks: i cant see how to figure that data out. dpm may know.
[09:23] <didrocks> dpm? ^
[09:23] <didrocks> popey: thanks for scheduling :)
[09:26] <popey> np
[09:48] <didrocks> Laney: how would you handle a state that is computed in a preinst (and then we remove that info from the system), to get it back in the postinst?
[09:48] <didrocks> like, I'm grepping a conffiles in preinst
[09:48] <didrocks> sedding it to remove that whole deprecated info
[09:48] <didrocks> and want that info in the postinst (as I install an init script in the new package version) to perform an operation
[09:50]  * didrocks will go the manual way probably
[09:50] <Laney> didrocks: which information?
[09:51] <didrocks> Laney: basically, disabling some init scripts
[09:52] <didrocks> Laney: we have a package which only have systemd and upstart script
[09:52] <didrocks> no init
[09:52] <didrocks> consequence, we have some bugs in the debian systemd tools
[09:52] <didrocks> where it will restart the daemon after upgrade, even if disabled
[09:52] <didrocks> from discussion with the debian guys, we should ship an init script
[09:52] <Laney> I guess save the information you need into some file in the preinst
[09:52] <didrocks> but then, I need to disable as well the init script
[09:52] <greyback> Hey folks, some advice please. Starting my machine this morning, it remains stuck at the Plymouth screen. Usual log files not giving me anything relevant. And tips/advice or ideas?
[09:53] <didrocks> Laney: that's what I was doing, like in /tmp/
[09:53] <didrocks> Laney: but then, a lovely lintian warning:
[09:53] <Laney> I'd probably put it alongside the file you're editing
[09:53] <Laney> because you know this is mounted etc
[09:54] <didrocks> oh, neat idea!
[09:54] <didrocks> definitively doing that :)
[09:54] <didrocks> thanks Laney!
[09:54] <Laney> there could be some cool way I don't know about though ;-)
[09:54] <didrocks> doesn't seem from my googling
[09:55] <didrocks> and yeah, disabling the init file that you are just installing <-> chicken and egg pb :)
[09:56] <seb128> greyback, can you ctrl-alt-f1 to a command line?
[09:56] <seb128> what did you install/change? is that vivid?
[09:56] <Laney> larsu: hey, could you eyeball a couple of gnome-disk-utility changes for me please?
[09:56] <Laney> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8865126/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/8865127/
[09:57] <Laney> are we doing 'is Unity' or 'is not GNOME'?
[09:57] <Laney> and should I try to forward it? :)
[09:57] <seb128> the second one for sure
[09:58] <Laney> yes
[09:58] <greyback> seb128: no. Is utopic. I hadn't been fiddling at anything dodgy anyway. This is just a week old install.
[09:58] <seb128> weird :/
[09:58] <larsu> Laney: ya, let's max-width-chars ALL THE THINGS
[09:58] <Laney> that one is obvious
[09:58] <greyback> seb128: yeah, I'm kinda stumped
[09:58] <seb128> greyback, sudo status lightdm?
[09:59] <larsu> Laney: the other one seems to have an unclosed <object> tag
[09:59] <Laney> line 79?
[09:59] <greyback> seb128: how do I run that, if I can't switch to a virtual console
[09:59] <seb128> greyback, oh, ctrl-alt-f1 doesn't work?
[09:59] <larsu> Laney: or is this me reading the diff wrong?!
[09:59] <Laney> I didn't reindent it because diff noise
[09:59] <larsu> ah
[10:00] <seb128> greyback, shrug, you might want to ask on #ubuntu-devel, that seems early boot more than desktop
[10:00] <larsu> then it might be ok
[10:00] <Laney> xmllint believes me anyway
[10:00] <larsu> Laney: we do !GNOME
[10:00] <greyback> seb128: oh, I just thought of something stupid I didn't do - I switched to VT1, but didn't hit enter to actually see the console. D'oh
[10:01] <larsu> Laney: the commit message says that it adds the title bar on !Unity, but really you're adding the header bar on !Unity
[10:03] <Laney> it should say title bar on Unity, but that's changing anyway
[10:03] <Laney> I'll just say "Use a title bar on non-GNOME environments, keeping the header bar as a toolbar" or something
[10:08] <larsu> right
[10:08] <larsu> want me to properly test it as well?
[10:10] <Laney> nah it's ok
[10:10] <Laney> the only slightly weird thing is that it uses a subtitle but I'm not sure it's worth changing
[10:11] <Laney> might as well forward and see what they say
[10:13] <larsu> we might want to do "<main> - <subtitle>"
[10:16] <Laney> maybe
[10:55] <greyback> seb128: figured out main issue, had typo in /etc/fstab, mountall was waiting for the device to appear, blocking everything else
[10:56] <seb128> greyback, nice that you figured it out, did you edit that file yourself or...?
[10:56] <greyback> seb128: yep
[10:56] <greyback> user error
[10:56] <seb128> k
[10:56] <seb128> still annoying that the system doesn't cope better with those
[10:58] <greyback> seb128: true, I found bug 1096307 on the roughly same issue
[13:07] <Laney> oh hello yak, you're looking a bit unkempt
[13:08]  * ogra_ hands Laney the bag with curlers
[13:08]  * Laney pictures a different and more fun kind of yak curling
[13:09] <ogra_> ha
[13:17] <maddawgEOL> bleh i always have a nervous breakdown when i go to sign in to my bank account online
[17:41]  * willcooke -> EOW
[17:41]  * willcooke -> Zzzz
[18:10] <Laney> me too
[18:10] <Laney> happy weekend all!
[18:11]  * Laney notes didrocks silently left
[18:13] <seb128> Laney, have a good w.e!
[23:56] <xnox> Laney: mini-debconf cambridge?