[11:02] <radiomark> Hi, I've installed xubuntu, is there a GUI partition/LVM manager. One was offered at the install, but I can't find one on the system
[11:05] <andyfied> you an install on if you can't find one
[11:05] <andyfied> i think gparted was installed as standard though
[11:06] <andyfied> if not, run "sudo apt-get install gparted" from the terminal or find it in the software store
[11:08] <ObrienDave> gparted is on the live DVD, not installed by default
[11:09] <radiomark> Ok, gparted installed -- but actually I used LVM during the install
[11:09] <radiomark> I also installed a GUI 'logical volume manager'
[11:14] <andyfied> ah yeah, that's prossibly lvm2
[11:14] <andyfied> which is a bit more flexible than gparted
[11:15] <radiomark> I'm setting up a PC for my dad, and I want something he can mange (he's reasonably technical)
[11:15] <radiomark> But that probably means sensible GUIs and not command line
[11:15] <radiomark> I might avoid LVM if there isn't a decent GUI to manage it after install
[11:16] <andyfied> you should have something
[11:17] <andyfied> yeah, you want Disk Utility if you can install it
[11:17] <radiomark> Yes, found the GUI one. I'm trying to shrink the root partition now, doing that from the live cd instead of the booted system
[11:17] <andyfied> should also be in software centre
[11:17] <andyfied> i'm reading that it's not installed in xubuntu by default
[11:17] <radiomark> I'm on the LTS version ... I can't see a "Disk utility" in the software centre
[11:18] <andyfied> https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/precise/gnome-disk-utility/ check this link
[11:18] <andyfied> and try to get it from there
[11:19] <radiomark> Ah, it's actually called "Disks" -- but that is the "gnome-disk-utility" command
[11:19] <andyfied> i'm mostly an ubuntu user, my xubuntu PC doesn't have a monitor so i'm only on command line for it
[11:20] <radiomark> Ah, the GNOME utility still doesn't do any LVM
[11:20] <andyfied> and yeah, things have weird naming things
[11:21] <radiomark> I guess I was hoping to use LVM as a way to snapshot the root
[11:21] <radiomark> So in the event of catastrophe he can go back to the snapshot
[11:21] <andyfied> ah, well there are other things too
[11:21] <radiomark> But I am not an LVM user generally on my own Linux systems
[11:22] <andyfied> me neither, probably a normal backup program would do though
[11:22] <andyfied> backintime does good snapshots
[11:23] <andyfied> it's easy to configure and has a decent amount of options, i'm not a fan of deja dupe because you don't get many options
[11:24] <ObrienDave> just rsync to external drive
[11:25] <andyfied> massively important to automate the backup process
[11:25] <radiomark> rsync and that sort of thing is good for me, but I'd like it for dad if there is just an easy way to rewind the main system drive
[11:27] <andyfied> grsync :)
[11:27] <andyfied> for the GUI version, but backintime is pretty good since it just uses rsync anyway but has a nice gui
[11:47] <radiomark> Thanks, I will have to lok into backup tools
[14:37] <clov> hi
[14:38] <clov> when i login i can only see the wallpaper, the mouse pointer and open the terminal
[14:42] <deshipu> clov: press alt+f2 and type 'xfwm4'
[17:23] <xubuntu967> salve
[17:23] <xubuntu967> qualche italiano
[17:23] <xubuntu967> ?
[17:26] <bazhang> !it
[18:10] <Hedgework> *pout*  Whenever someone comes in and greets us with "salve" or "salvete", I get all excited that they might be about to ask a question in Latin. :P
[18:13] <deshipu> !la
[18:13] <deshipu> hmm...
[18:14] <Hedgework> :(
[18:21] <parkerd> Hello.  I have installed 14.10.  I would like it to shutdown immediately when I click shutdown.  It currently acts like Windows, demanding I confirm three times before it shutsdown.
[18:22] <Hedgework> parkerd: Mine does NOT do that, so I'll assume that's an Xfce4 setting rather than a system setting (as I don't use the stock Xfce4 DE)...at least that tells you where to look for the problem :/
[18:22] <parkerd> I don't know enough to know what desktop I am using.  Any help there?
[18:23] <holstein> parkerd: you are using xfce with xubuntu.. if that is what you are using... xubuntu 14.10?
[18:23] <Hedgework> parkerd: If you did not install and run something other than the default, you have Xfce4
[18:23] <parkerd> It is. 14.10
[18:23] <parkerd> OK.  Any idea how to change the shutdown sequence?
[18:24] <holstein> parkerd: i would see if this is still relevant in 14.10 http://xubuntugeek.blogspot.com/2012/06/restartshutdownlog-out-without.html
[18:25] <holstein> parkerd: http://askubuntu.com/questions/339842/xubuntu-hotkey-for-immediate-shutdown is also relevant, if you cant find anything "easy" in the GUI
[18:25] <parkerd> I'll look at that link.
[18:27] <parkerd> Looks like I need to have a terminal open to execute "dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit /org/freedesktop/ConsoleKi"
[18:30] <parkerd> I'll have to reboot.  Thank you for the links.  The first link addresses the problem.
[18:31] <parkerd> How do I leave chat?
[18:31] <parkerd> Elegantly that is.
[18:32] <Hedgework> parkerd: /quit
[18:32] <parkerd> Thanks
[18:32] <parkerd> Quit
[18:32] <bazhang>  /
[18:32] <Hedgework> parkerd: the '/' was important
[18:32] <Hedgework> :)
[20:09] <andyfied> no way, the elegant way is: /quit If we do meet again, why, we shall smile. If not, why then this parting was well made.
[20:09] <andyfied> either that of /quit booty booty booty
[20:13] <Hedgework> :P
[20:13]  * Hedgework considers /part andyfied made me do it.
[20:17] <andyfied> :)
[21:20] <parkerd> Hello.  How can I get the shutdown option to appear in the Xcfe panel (upper right by default)?
[21:22] <elfy> parkerd: add Action Buttons
[21:22] <parkerd> I installed 14.10 and I can't find that option.
[21:23] <elfy> then you can right click on that -> Properties and set it to what you want - if you just want the shutdown button you can do so - set appearance to action buttons
[21:23] <elfy> parkerd: it's there :)
[21:24] <elfy> right click on panel - panel - add new items
[21:27] <parkerd> I'm lost.  I right-clicked the panel, I clicked properties and I get a menu titled "Indicators".  Here I can "Arrange indicators in a single row", "Align left in deskbar mode" or hide indicators by default, clear known indicators and some other irrelevant stuff.
[21:27] <parkerd> Oh, I can select Panels instead of Properties.  I'll try that... .
[21:27] <elfy> parkerd: right click panel - add new items - add action buttons - then you can right click on THAT to just have shutdown
[21:32] <parkerd> OK, Now I have direct access to Shutdown.  What I want is for the system to shutdown without any further acknowledgement:  I click shutdown and it immediately shuts down.  Any ideas?
[21:33] <elfy> what do you see instead of that?
[21:35] <parkerd> I get a window asking if I really want to shutdown.
[21:36] <parkerd> Just like Microsoft.
[21:37] <elfy> parkerd: works perfectly here lol
[21:37] <elfy> go to action button properties and disable the confirmation dialogue
[21:43] <parkerd> elfi, that worked.  The computer is still in a hung state after shutdown, but the screen blanks immediately at least.  I have to hold the power button in on the computer to get it to actually shutdown before I can reboot.
[21:44] <elfy> then you have other issues I would suggest - not something I'll be able to help you with
[21:50] <parkerd> Thanks for getting shutdown to work.