| average_guy | why is there no lubuntu on the vivid-daily package testing tracker? | 03:46 |
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| holstein | average_guy: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/ | 03:50 |
| ianorlin | average_guy I think it is because we aren't sure if switching to lxqt | 05:07 |
| _joey | how do I upgrade to 14.10? apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't upgrade | 06:02 |
| wxl | _joey: add the -d switch | 06:20 |
| wxl | _joey: oops not paying attention don't do that :) | 06:20 |
| wxl | _joey: dist-upgrade is just like upgrade except you give it permission to remove unneeded dependencies | 06:21 |
| wxl | _joey: if you want to change versions (which is more than changing package versions) you need to do do-release-upgrade. and THAT you may need to add the -d switch to. | 06:21 |
| rww | wxl: -d is for upgrading to the latest devel release (not released release) | 07:08 |
| wxl | rww: not totally true | 07:08 |
| rww | "-d, --devel-release: Check if upgrading to the latest devel release is possible" | 07:09 |
| wxl | rww: for example if you're on lts, and the next release hasn't hit its first point release, it's considered a development release | 07:09 |
| wxl | rww: the man page unfortunately is misleading and does not tell the whole story | 07:09 |
| rww | the next lts release* | 07:09 |
| wxl | yep | 07:10 |
| rww | that behavior isn't relevant for 14.04 to 14.10. | 07:10 |
| wxl | unless you unintentionally installed an lts release | 07:10 |
| rww | !upgradeofflts | 07:10 |
| ubottu | To upgrade from an LTS release of Ubuntu to the next (non-LTS) release, run sudoedit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades and change the prompt= line to "prompt=normal". | 07:10 |
| rww | on the other hand, is | 07:10 |
| wxl | you need to edit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades | 07:10 |
| wxl | gmta | 07:10 |
| _joey | you lost me | 07:24 |
| _joey | what do I do in one line please? | 07:24 |
| wxl | sudo do-release-upgrade | 07:24 |
| _joey | No new release found | 07:25 |
| wxl | sudo do-release-upgrade -d | 07:25 |
| rww | _joey: follow ubottu's instructions, then do sudo do-release-upgrade. | 07:25 |
| _joey | cat /etc/issue - "Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS" | 07:25 |
| rww | !upgradeofflts =~ s/$/ Then, do sudo do-release-upgrade to begin the upgrade./ | 07:26 |
| ubottu | I'll remember that rww | 07:26 |
| _joey | wtf? | 07:26 |
| _joey | 2014 and there's no easy way of upgrade the distro | 07:27 |
| rww | You can do it with the GUI too, but I'm not familiar with it. | 07:27 |
| _joey | gui does not find a new release either | 07:27 |
| rww | I mean that GUI has a way to switch off the LTS track too. | 07:27 |
| rww | Considering that the average user generally sticks with LTS releases (14.04, 16.04 when it comes out), this not being obvious is not particularly unintentional, I expect. | 07:28 |
| _joey | I want to upgrade to 14.10 | 07:28 |
| rww | Then use the command-line instructions ubottu gave you, or wait for someone else in here to come up with the pointy-clicky way. | 07:29 |
| _joey | it didn't work | 07:29 |
| rww | !upgradeofflts | 07:29 |
| ubottu | To upgrade from an LTS release of Ubuntu to the next (non-LTS) release, run sudoedit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades and change the prompt= line to "prompt=normal". Then, do sudo do-release-upgrade to begin the upgrade. | 07:29 |
| rww | you did all of this? | 07:29 |
| wxl | _joey: grep Prompt /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades | 07:29 |
| _joey | Prompt=lts | 07:30 |
| wxl | _joey: that's your problem | 07:30 |
| _joey | do I really need to meddle with configuration files for an upgrade? | 07:31 |
| rww | < rww> | You can do it with the GUI too, but I'm not familiar with it. | 07:31 |
| _joey | I am afraid I am going to break the system, because all previous version upgraded nicely | 07:31 |
| wxl | if you want to move from an LTS version to a non-LTS version, yes. or you can try the GUI. | 07:31 |
| _joey | without editing configuration files | 07:31 |
| wxl | you upgraded fromw hat to what? | 07:31 |
| _joey | from previous version to 14.04 | 07:32 |
| wxl | so 13.10? or 12.04? | 07:32 |
| _joey | one of those | 07:32 |
| wxl | heh | 07:32 |
| wxl | probably 12.04 | 07:32 |
| wxl | in which case it would have just worked | 07:32 |
| wxl | your system is set up to move from 10.04 to 12.04 to 14.04 to 16.04, and so on | 07:33 |
| _joey | thanks! | 07:33 |
| _joey | I'd skip this method of upgrading | 07:33 |
| wxl | if you want to change that, you need to change a config file | 07:33 |
| wxl | whether you want to do it manually or through some gui | 07:33 |
| _joey | I'd rather stick with an old version than having my system broken | 07:33 |
| wxl | changing preferences in a gui is still changing config files | 07:33 |
| wxl | you're welcome to do what you want, but your fears are rather unfounded | 07:34 |
| rww | if you are troubled by changing a setting, sticking to the two-year LTS cycle sounds like a rather good idea. | 07:34 |
| wxl | +1 rww | 07:34 |
| _joey | I don't have a problem editing configuration file. i have a problem believing this is a proper way of upgrading the system | 07:34 |
| _joey | I've never seen anything like this before. It should be upgrading this way | 07:35 |
| wxl | _joey: it's how every single person running ubuntu server does it. of course, they, like you, only use LTS versions. well, usually. | 07:35 |
| rww | Ubuntu (and flavors') default behavior is to only offer upgrades off LTS releases when the first point release of the next LTS comes out. | 07:35 |
| rww | You can disbelieve that this is the case all you like, but it is. | 07:35 |
| _joey | apt-get dist-upgrade was the common method on all debian and ubuntu derives distros | 07:36 |
| rww | To change that default behavior, you need to modify its configuration, using either a text editor or the usual software sources configuration GUI. | 07:36 |
| wxl | nonono | 07:36 |
| wxl | all dist-upgrade is is a different method of upgrade | 07:36 |
| rww | apt-get dist-upgrade is not a supported method for upgrading Ubuntu, and has not been for about 8 years or so. | 07:36 |
| wxl | not a change in versions | 07:36 |
| _joey | lol | 07:36 |
| _joey | I upgraded Lubuntu this way | 07:36 |
| rww | Congratulations on doing things wrong? | 07:37 |
| _joey | from previous version | 07:37 |
| wxl | you upgraded your packages, yes. | 07:37 |
| _joey | nope | 07:37 |
| rww | wxl: if you edit /etc/apt/sources.list you can upgrade versions too. unless you hit a quirk that do-release-upgrade checks for, then you're hosed | 07:37 |
| _joey | /etc/issue has Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS | 07:37 |
| rww | of course, /etc/apt/sources.list is also a configuration file, so I'm not sure what _joey's on about since he doesn't edit those. | 07:37 |
| wxl | rww: true, done that, too. | 07:37 |
| wxl | _joey: head -n 1 /etc/apt/sources.list | 07:38 |
| wxl | what's that give you? | 07:38 |
| _joey | # deb cdrom:[Lubuntu 13.10 _Saucy Salamander_ - Release i386 (20131016.1)]/ saucy main multiverse restricted universe | 07:40 |
| wxl | so you upgraded from 13.10 to 14.04 | 07:41 |
| _joey | a while ago | 07:41 |
| wxl | which makes it interesting that you're marked lts | 07:41 |
| wxl | !dist-upgrade | _joey | 07:42 |
| ubottu | _joey: A dist-upgrade will install new dependencies for packages already installed and may remove packages if they are no longer needed. This will not bring you to a new release of Ubuntu, see !upgrade if that is your intention. | 07:42 |
| wxl | furthermore http://www.ghacks.net/2010/03/11/what-is-it-with-the-dist-upgrade-option-of-apt-get/ | 07:43 |
| _joey | ubottu: I upgraded from 13.10 to 14.04 using apt-get dist-upgrade | 07:43 |
| ubottu | _joey: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 07:43 |
| wxl | which suggests that, like rww said, you can use dist-upgrade as a first step to change distro versions | 07:43 |
| wxl | however, this would require you manually editing a configuration file. one that's more than one line. | 07:43 |
| wxl | you think you did that? | 07:43 |
| rww | and that process isn't officially supported. | 07:44 |
| _joey | I didn't do anything other than apt-get dist-upgrade | 07:44 |
| wxl | anywho | 07:44 |
| wxl | you got your answer to your dilemma or do you need further help? | 07:44 |
| _joey | GUI does not upgrade to new release either | 07:45 |
| _joey | wxl I already thanked you | 07:45 |
| _joey | but i am not editing configuration manually | 07:46 |
| wxl | _joey: oh missed that. so you're good? | 07:46 |
| _joey | the system should not be upgraded this way normally | 07:46 |
| _joey | is there a manual for lubuntu on upgrading the system? | 07:47 |
| wxl | ok | 07:47 |
| wxl | i got your solution | 07:48 |
| wxl | in the software preferences or whatever it's called (you can get to it by running update-manager and then clicking on settings) under the "updates" tab make sure the notify of a new version selection shows "any new ubuntu release" and not LTS | 07:48 |
| wxl | that will edit the configuration file for you | 07:48 |
| _joey | that seems to be working :) | 07:52 |
| _joey | groovy | 07:52 |
| _joey | what's new in 14.10 by the way? | 07:53 |
| wxl | read the release notes | 07:53 |
| wxl | basically: not much | 07:53 |
| _joey | where? | 07:53 |
| wxl | !utopic | _joey | 07:53 |
| ubottu | _joey: Ubuntu 14.10 (Utopic Unicorn) is the current release of Ubuntu. Download at http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.10 - Read the release notes at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseNotes | 07:53 |
| wxl | if you add /Lubuntu to that last url, you'll go right where you need to | 07:54 |
| _joey | okay | 07:54 |
| wxl | alright now that you're good i'm going to bed | 07:55 |
| wxl | if you have further problems, there's always mean old rww :) | 07:55 |
| rww | I prefer the label "curmudgeon" | 07:56 |
| _joey | thanks | 07:56 |
| wxl | :) | 07:56 |
| _joey | good night wxl | 07:56 |
| wxl | have a nice night folks | 07:56 |
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| asd | Hey guys, whats best dock for lubuntu? I tried cairo-dock but its pretty bad imo. | 15:05 |
| zy3pD_m | Is lubuntu-core just a metapaxkage? | 18:06 |
| holstein | !info lubuntu-core | 18:08 |
| ubottu | lubuntu-core (source: lubuntu-meta): Lubuntu Desktop environment - minimal installation. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.55 (utopic), package size 3 kB, installed size 31 kB (Only available for i386; amd64; powerpc; armhf) | 18:08 |
| zy3pD_m | So i can remove it without problems? | 18:09 |
| holstein | zy3pD_m: i would set it for removal, and look and see if anything else is being removed, or, elaboarate as to what it is you are trying to do.. i cant guarantee "without problems" without more detail.. | 18:09 |
| zy3pD_m | I want to remove anacron and anacron is part of lubuntu-core | 18:11 |
| zy3pD_m | No problems | 18:11 |
| holstein | i would say, if you remove something, and it wants to remove just that meta-package, you should have no problems.. if an update tries to bring them both back or whatever later, that might be fiddly | 18:13 |
| phillw | zy3pD_m: the meta-package is just a list of files to install. The only time you may want it back is when you do a dist-upgrade as it holds the list of what to upgrade. | 18:20 |
| zy3pD_m | So there are normally no updates for metapackages phillw? | 18:23 |
| phillw | zy3pD_m: it is an 'admin' list... let me go look it up.. | 18:23 |
| phillw | zy3pD_m: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MetaPackages | 18:24 |
| phillw | lubuntu has two meta packages, desktop and core... you may want to use core and then build on that, rather than delete stuff? | 18:25 |
| phillw | zy3pD_m: as always, it is the users' choice :) | 18:26 |
| zy3pD_m | I just deleted anacron and that is part of core :-) | 18:27 |
| zy3pD_m | Because i dont need it | 18:27 |
| phillw | zy3pD_m2: your computer is yours :) | 18:36 |
| Kubius | howdy | 19:32 |
| Kubius | I'm looking for a mouse cursor theme that has a state showing when a program is loading | 19:32 |
| Kubius | anyone have any suggestions? | 19:34 |
| Kubius | no one? | 19:43 |
| Kubius | I managed to install a mouse theme via 'customize look and feel' but the program loading icon doesn't appear in the theme | 20:40 |
| ianorlin | how did you try to install the mouse theme | 20:42 |
| Kubius | I installed a theme from a .tar.gz file | 20:47 |
| Kubius | http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Ubuntaero+-+Aero+based+w%2B+animated+logo?content=108598 | 20:47 |
| Kubius | this theme | 20:47 |
| Kubius | I want a theme with the capability to show a different cursor when a program's loading a la windows hourglass | 20:48 |
| Kubius | what theme it is does not matter | 20:48 |
| ianorlin | ah so it is not a package | 20:48 |
| Kubius | if a packaged theme could do that, I'd install one | 20:49 |
| Kubius | but I dunno if it can | 20:49 |
| ianorlin | did the install button pop up a file manager to select it? | 20:50 |
| Kubius | when I clicked install in 'customize look and feel' it went to a file manager-y screen, yes | 20:50 |
| Kubius | the theme .tar.gz file was there so I picked it | 20:50 |
| Kubius | after I picked it and clicked open, the program crashed | 20:51 |
| Kubius | when I reopened it the theme was there but missing the program loading cursor | 20:51 |
| ianorlin | try logging out and logging in again if you have not | 20:55 |
| ianorlin | it needs that to reload the cursor of a new session | 20:55 |
| Kubius | I have | 20:56 |
| Kubius | lxappearance doesn't recognize the program loading cursor - it doesn't show up in the theme | 20:56 |
| ianorlin | I am not sure it is lxappearnce | 20:57 |
| Kubius | when I start lxappearance via run it opens customize look and feel | 20:57 |
| ianorlin | yes that is what should happen | 20:58 |
| ianorlin | does it show up if you press control alt D to launch something via keyboard | 20:59 |
| ianorlin | as that is a keyboard shortcut that has startup notify | 20:59 |
| Kubius | nope | 20:59 |
| ianorlin | hmm I am not sure then | 21:03 |
| Kubius | linux: where installing your os takes 10 minutes and making the mouse work right takes one hour thirty minutes and counting | 21:04 |
| Kubius | eheheh | 21:04 |
| testdr | Kubius: if you want to see a animated-mouse-curser, you should think about using windows. There are some desktops, that tried to implement that, for example there is such an animation in some kde-versions for starting kde-programs. | 21:19 |
| Kubius | I do use windows for my main PC | 21:24 |
| Kubius | because some things just dun' run on linux | 21:24 |
| Kubius | I put linux on my netbook because it has super low specs | 21:24 |
| testdr | Kubius: the desktop-starter-entries (named *.desktop - the line: StartupNotify=true) have entries to enable an animationeffekt but this depends on the used desktop-system in linux and there are different ones. I never used this and wont use it, because the way i start programs is most times not out of the menusystem with such desktop-starters. | 21:29 |
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