[03:46] <average_guy> why is there no lubuntu on the vivid-daily package testing tracker?
[03:50] <holstein> average_guy: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/
[05:07] <ianorlin> average_guy I think it is because we aren't sure if switching to lxqt
[06:02] <_joey> how do I upgrade to 14.10? apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't upgrade
[06:20] <wxl> _joey: add the -d switch
[06:20] <wxl> _joey: oops not paying attention don't do that :)
[06:21] <wxl> _joey: dist-upgrade is just like upgrade except you give it permission to remove unneeded dependencies
[06:21] <wxl> _joey: if you want to change versions (which is more than changing package versions) you need to do do-release-upgrade. and THAT you may need to add the -d switch to.
[07:08] <rww> wxl: -d is for upgrading to the latest devel release (not released release)
[07:08] <wxl> rww: not totally true
[07:09] <rww> "-d, --devel-release: Check if upgrading to the latest devel release is possible"
[07:09] <wxl> rww: for example if you're on lts, and the next release hasn't hit its first point release, it's considered a development release
[07:09] <wxl> rww: the man page unfortunately is misleading and does not tell the whole story
[07:09] <rww> the next lts release*
[07:10] <wxl> yep
[07:10] <rww> that behavior isn't relevant for 14.04 to 14.10.
[07:10] <wxl> unless you unintentionally installed an lts release
[07:10] <rww> !upgradeofflts
[07:10] <rww> on the other hand, is
[07:10] <wxl> you need to edit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[07:10] <wxl> gmta
[07:24] <_joey> you lost me
[07:24] <_joey> what do I do in one line please?
[07:24] <wxl> sudo do-release-upgrade
[07:25] <_joey> No new release found
[07:25] <wxl> sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[07:25] <rww> _joey: follow ubottu's instructions, then do sudo do-release-upgrade.
[07:25] <_joey> cat /etc/issue - "Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS"
[07:26] <rww> !upgradeofflts =~ s/$/ Then, do sudo do-release-upgrade to begin the upgrade./
[07:26] <_joey> wtf?
[07:27] <_joey> 2014 and there's no easy way of upgrade the distro
[07:27] <rww> You can do it with the GUI too, but I'm not familiar with it.
[07:27] <_joey> gui does not find a new release either
[07:27] <rww> I mean that GUI has a way to switch off the LTS track too.
[07:28] <rww> Considering that the average user generally sticks with LTS releases (14.04, 16.04 when it comes out), this not being obvious is not particularly unintentional, I expect.
[07:28] <_joey> I want to upgrade to 14.10
[07:29] <rww> Then use the command-line instructions ubottu gave you, or wait for someone else in here to come up with the pointy-clicky way.
[07:29] <_joey> it didn't work
[07:29] <rww> !upgradeofflts
[07:29] <rww> you did all of this?
[07:29] <wxl> _joey: grep Prompt /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[07:30] <_joey> Prompt=lts
[07:30] <wxl> _joey: that's your problem
[07:31] <_joey> do I really need to meddle with configuration files for an upgrade?
[07:31] <rww> < rww> | You can do it with the GUI too, but I'm not familiar with it.
[07:31] <_joey> I am afraid I am going to break the system, because all previous version upgraded nicely
[07:31] <wxl> if you want to move from an LTS version to a non-LTS version, yes. or you can try the GUI.
[07:31] <_joey> without editing configuration files
[07:31] <wxl> you upgraded fromw hat to what?
[07:32] <_joey> from previous version to 14.04
[07:32] <wxl> so 13.10? or 12.04?
[07:32] <_joey> one of those
[07:32] <wxl> heh
[07:32] <wxl> probably 12.04
[07:32] <wxl> in which case it would have just worked
[07:33] <wxl> your system is set up to move from 10.04 to 12.04 to 14.04 to 16.04, and so on
[07:33] <_joey> thanks!
[07:33] <_joey> I'd skip this method of upgrading
[07:33] <wxl> if you want to change that, you need to change a config file
[07:33] <wxl> whether you want to do it manually or through some gui
[07:33] <_joey> I'd rather stick with an old version than having my system broken
[07:33] <wxl> changing preferences in a gui is still changing config files
[07:34] <wxl> you're welcome to do what you want, but your fears are rather unfounded
[07:34] <rww> if you are troubled by changing a setting, sticking to the two-year LTS cycle sounds like a rather good idea.
[07:34] <wxl> +1 rww
[07:34] <_joey> I don't have a problem editing configuration file. i have a problem believing this is a proper way of upgrading the system
[07:35] <_joey> I've never seen anything like this before. It should be upgrading this way
[07:35] <wxl> _joey: it's how every single person running ubuntu server does it. of course, they, like you, only use LTS versions. well, usually.
[07:35] <rww> Ubuntu (and flavors') default behavior is to only offer upgrades off LTS releases when the first point release of the next LTS comes out.
[07:35] <rww> You can disbelieve that this is the case all you like, but it is.
[07:36] <_joey> apt-get dist-upgrade was the common method on all debian and ubuntu derives distros
[07:36] <rww> To change that default behavior, you need to modify its configuration, using either a text editor or the usual software sources configuration GUI.
[07:36] <wxl> nonono
[07:36] <wxl> all dist-upgrade is is a different method of upgrade
[07:36] <rww> apt-get dist-upgrade is not a supported method for upgrading Ubuntu, and has not been for about 8 years or so.
[07:36] <wxl> not a change in versions
[07:36] <_joey> lol
[07:36] <_joey> I upgraded Lubuntu this way
[07:37] <rww> Congratulations on doing things wrong?
[07:37] <_joey> from previous version
[07:37] <wxl> you upgraded your packages, yes.
[07:37] <_joey> nope
[07:37] <rww> wxl: if you edit /etc/apt/sources.list you can upgrade versions too. unless you hit a quirk that do-release-upgrade checks for, then you're hosed
[07:37] <_joey> /etc/issue has Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS
[07:37] <rww> of course, /etc/apt/sources.list is also a configuration file, so I'm not sure what _joey's on about since he doesn't edit those.
[07:37] <wxl> rww: true, done that, too.
[07:38] <wxl> _joey: head -n 1 /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:38] <wxl> what's that give you?
[07:40] <_joey> # deb cdrom:[Lubuntu 13.10 _Saucy Salamander_ - Release i386 (20131016.1)]/ saucy main multiverse restricted universe
[07:41] <wxl> so you upgraded from 13.10 to 14.04
[07:41] <_joey> a while ago
[07:41] <wxl> which makes it interesting that you're marked lts
[07:42] <wxl> !dist-upgrade | _joey
[07:43] <wxl> furthermore http://www.ghacks.net/2010/03/11/what-is-it-with-the-dist-upgrade-option-of-apt-get/
[07:43] <_joey> ubottu: I upgraded from 13.10 to 14.04 using apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:43] <wxl> which suggests that, like rww said, you can use dist-upgrade as a first step to change distro versions
[07:43] <wxl> however, this would require you manually editing a configuration file. one that's more than one line.
[07:43] <wxl> you think you did that?
[07:44] <rww> and that process isn't officially supported.
[07:44] <_joey> I didn't do anything other than apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:44] <wxl> anywho
[07:44] <wxl> you got your answer to your dilemma or do you need further help?
[07:45] <_joey> GUI does not upgrade to new release either
[07:45] <_joey> wxl I already thanked you
[07:46] <_joey> but i am not editing configuration manually
[07:46] <wxl> _joey: oh missed that. so you're good?
[07:46] <_joey> the system should not be upgraded this way normally
[07:47] <_joey> is there a manual for lubuntu on upgrading the system?
[07:47] <wxl> ok
[07:48] <wxl> i got your solution
[07:48] <wxl> in the software preferences or whatever it's called (you can get to it by running update-manager and then clicking on settings) under the "updates" tab make sure the notify of a new version selection shows "any new ubuntu release" and not LTS
[07:48] <wxl> that will edit the configuration file for you
[07:52] <_joey> that seems to be working :)
[07:52] <_joey> groovy
[07:53] <_joey> what's new in 14.10 by the way?
[07:53] <wxl> read the release notes
[07:53] <wxl> basically: not much
[07:53] <_joey> where?
[07:53] <wxl> !utopic | _joey
[07:54] <wxl> if you add /Lubuntu to that last url, you'll go right where you need to
[07:54] <_joey> okay
[07:55] <wxl> alright now that you're good i'm going to bed
[07:55] <wxl> if you have further problems, there's always mean old rww :)
[07:56] <rww> I prefer the label "curmudgeon"
[07:56] <_joey> thanks
[07:56] <wxl> :)
[07:56] <_joey> good night wxl
[07:56] <wxl> have a nice night folks
[15:05] <asd> Hey guys, whats best dock for lubuntu? I tried cairo-dock but its pretty bad imo.
[18:06] <zy3pD_m> Is lubuntu-core just a metapaxkage?
[18:08] <holstein> !info lubuntu-core
[18:09] <zy3pD_m> So i can remove it without problems?
[18:09] <holstein> zy3pD_m: i would set it for removal, and look and see if anything else is being removed, or, elaboarate as to what it is you are trying to do.. i cant guarantee "without problems" without more detail..
[18:11] <zy3pD_m> I want to remove anacron and anacron is part of lubuntu-core
[18:11] <zy3pD_m> No problems
[18:13] <holstein> i would say, if you remove something, and it wants to remove just that meta-package, you should have no problems.. if an update tries to bring them both back or whatever later, that might be fiddly
[18:20] <phillw> zy3pD_m: the meta-package is just a list of files to install. The only time you may want it back is when you do a dist-upgrade as it holds the list of what to upgrade.
[18:23] <zy3pD_m> So there are normally no updates for metapackages phillw?
[18:23] <phillw> zy3pD_m: it is an 'admin' list... let me go look it up..
[18:24] <phillw> zy3pD_m: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MetaPackages
[18:25] <phillw> lubuntu has two meta packages, desktop and core... you may want to use core and then build on that, rather than delete stuff?
[18:26] <phillw> zy3pD_m: as always, it is the users' choice :)
[18:27] <zy3pD_m> I just deleted anacron and that is part of core :-)
[18:27] <zy3pD_m> Because i dont need it
[18:36] <phillw> zy3pD_m2: your computer is yours :)
[19:32] <Kubius> howdy
[19:32] <Kubius> I'm looking for a mouse cursor theme that has a state showing when a program is loading
[19:34] <Kubius> anyone have any suggestions?
[19:43] <Kubius> no one?
[20:40] <Kubius> I managed to install a mouse theme via 'customize look and feel' but the program loading icon doesn't appear in the theme
[20:42] <ianorlin> how did you try to install the mouse theme
[20:47] <Kubius> I installed a theme from a .tar.gz file
[20:47] <Kubius> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Ubuntaero+-+Aero+based+w%2B+animated+logo?content=108598
[20:47] <Kubius> this theme
[20:48] <Kubius> I want a theme with the capability to show a different cursor when a program's loading a la windows hourglass
[20:48] <Kubius> what theme it is does not matter
[20:48] <ianorlin> ah so it is not a package
[20:49] <Kubius> if a packaged theme could do that, I'd install one
[20:49] <Kubius> but I dunno if it can
[20:50] <ianorlin> did the install button pop up a file manager to select it?
[20:50] <Kubius> when I clicked install in 'customize look and feel' it went to a file manager-y screen, yes
[20:50] <Kubius> the theme .tar.gz file was there so I picked it
[20:51] <Kubius> after I picked it and clicked open, the program crashed
[20:51] <Kubius> when I reopened it the theme was there but missing the program loading cursor
[20:55] <ianorlin> try logging out and logging in again if you have not
[20:55] <ianorlin> it needs that to reload the cursor of a new session
[20:56] <Kubius> I have
[20:56] <Kubius> lxappearance doesn't recognize the program loading cursor - it doesn't show up in the theme
[20:57] <ianorlin> I am not sure it is lxappearnce
[20:57] <Kubius> when I start lxappearance via run it opens customize look and feel
[20:58] <ianorlin> yes that is what should happen
[20:59] <ianorlin> does it show up if you press control alt D to launch something via keyboard
[20:59] <ianorlin> as that is a keyboard shortcut that has startup notify
[20:59] <Kubius> nope
[21:03] <ianorlin> hmm I am not sure then
[21:04] <Kubius> linux: where installing your os takes 10 minutes and making the mouse work right takes one hour thirty minutes and counting
[21:04] <Kubius> eheheh
[21:19] <testdr> Kubius: if you want to see a animated-mouse-curser, you should think about using windows. There are some desktops, that tried to implement that, for example there is such an animation in some kde-versions for starting kde-programs.
[21:24] <Kubius> I do use windows for my main PC
[21:24] <Kubius> because some things just dun' run on linux
[21:24] <Kubius> I put linux on my netbook because it has super low specs
[21:29] <testdr> Kubius: the desktop-starter-entries (named *.desktop  - the line: StartupNotify=true) have entries to enable an animationeffekt but this depends on the used desktop-system in linux and there are different ones. I never used this and wont use it, because the way i start programs is most times not out of the menusystem with such desktop-starters.