[03:46] why is there no lubuntu on the vivid-daily package testing tracker? [03:50] average_guy: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/ [05:07] average_guy I think it is because we aren't sure if switching to lxqt [06:02] <_joey> how do I upgrade to 14.10? apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't upgrade [06:20] _joey: add the -d switch [06:20] _joey: oops not paying attention don't do that :) [06:21] _joey: dist-upgrade is just like upgrade except you give it permission to remove unneeded dependencies [06:21] _joey: if you want to change versions (which is more than changing package versions) you need to do do-release-upgrade. and THAT you may need to add the -d switch to. [07:08] wxl: -d is for upgrading to the latest devel release (not released release) [07:08] rww: not totally true [07:09] "-d, --devel-release: Check if upgrading to the latest devel release is possible" [07:09] rww: for example if you're on lts, and the next release hasn't hit its first point release, it's considered a development release [07:09] rww: the man page unfortunately is misleading and does not tell the whole story [07:09] the next lts release* [07:10] yep [07:10] that behavior isn't relevant for 14.04 to 14.10. [07:10] unless you unintentionally installed an lts release [07:10] !upgradeofflts [07:10] To upgrade from an LTS release of Ubuntu to the next (non-LTS) release, run sudoedit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades and change the prompt= line to "prompt=normal". [07:10] on the other hand, is [07:10] you need to edit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades [07:10] gmta [07:24] <_joey> you lost me [07:24] <_joey> what do I do in one line please? [07:24] sudo do-release-upgrade [07:25] <_joey> No new release found [07:25] sudo do-release-upgrade -d [07:25] _joey: follow ubottu's instructions, then do sudo do-release-upgrade. [07:25] <_joey> cat /etc/issue - "Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS" [07:26] !upgradeofflts =~ s/$/ Then, do sudo do-release-upgrade to begin the upgrade./ [07:26] I'll remember that rww [07:26] <_joey> wtf? [07:27] <_joey> 2014 and there's no easy way of upgrade the distro [07:27] You can do it with the GUI too, but I'm not familiar with it. [07:27] <_joey> gui does not find a new release either [07:27] I mean that GUI has a way to switch off the LTS track too. [07:28] Considering that the average user generally sticks with LTS releases (14.04, 16.04 when it comes out), this not being obvious is not particularly unintentional, I expect. [07:28] <_joey> I want to upgrade to 14.10 [07:29] Then use the command-line instructions ubottu gave you, or wait for someone else in here to come up with the pointy-clicky way. [07:29] <_joey> it didn't work [07:29] !upgradeofflts [07:29] To upgrade from an LTS release of Ubuntu to the next (non-LTS) release, run sudoedit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades and change the prompt= line to "prompt=normal". Then, do sudo do-release-upgrade to begin the upgrade. [07:29] you did all of this? [07:29] _joey: grep Prompt /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades [07:30] <_joey> Prompt=lts [07:30] _joey: that's your problem [07:31] <_joey> do I really need to meddle with configuration files for an upgrade? [07:31] < rww> | You can do it with the GUI too, but I'm not familiar with it. [07:31] <_joey> I am afraid I am going to break the system, because all previous version upgraded nicely [07:31] if you want to move from an LTS version to a non-LTS version, yes. or you can try the GUI. [07:31] <_joey> without editing configuration files [07:31] you upgraded fromw hat to what? [07:32] <_joey> from previous version to 14.04 [07:32] so 13.10? or 12.04? [07:32] <_joey> one of those [07:32] heh [07:32] probably 12.04 [07:32] in which case it would have just worked [07:33] your system is set up to move from 10.04 to 12.04 to 14.04 to 16.04, and so on [07:33] <_joey> thanks! [07:33] <_joey> I'd skip this method of upgrading [07:33] if you want to change that, you need to change a config file [07:33] whether you want to do it manually or through some gui [07:33] <_joey> I'd rather stick with an old version than having my system broken [07:33] changing preferences in a gui is still changing config files [07:34] you're welcome to do what you want, but your fears are rather unfounded [07:34] if you are troubled by changing a setting, sticking to the two-year LTS cycle sounds like a rather good idea. [07:34] +1 rww [07:34] <_joey> I don't have a problem editing configuration file. i have a problem believing this is a proper way of upgrading the system [07:35] <_joey> I've never seen anything like this before. It should be upgrading this way [07:35] _joey: it's how every single person running ubuntu server does it. of course, they, like you, only use LTS versions. well, usually. [07:35] Ubuntu (and flavors') default behavior is to only offer upgrades off LTS releases when the first point release of the next LTS comes out. [07:35] You can disbelieve that this is the case all you like, but it is. [07:36] <_joey> apt-get dist-upgrade was the common method on all debian and ubuntu derives distros [07:36] To change that default behavior, you need to modify its configuration, using either a text editor or the usual software sources configuration GUI. [07:36] nonono [07:36] all dist-upgrade is is a different method of upgrade [07:36] apt-get dist-upgrade is not a supported method for upgrading Ubuntu, and has not been for about 8 years or so. [07:36] not a change in versions [07:36] <_joey> lol [07:36] <_joey> I upgraded Lubuntu this way [07:37] Congratulations on doing things wrong? [07:37] <_joey> from previous version [07:37] you upgraded your packages, yes. [07:37] <_joey> nope [07:37] wxl: if you edit /etc/apt/sources.list you can upgrade versions too. unless you hit a quirk that do-release-upgrade checks for, then you're hosed [07:37] <_joey> /etc/issue has Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS [07:37] of course, /etc/apt/sources.list is also a configuration file, so I'm not sure what _joey's on about since he doesn't edit those. [07:37] rww: true, done that, too. [07:38] _joey: head -n 1 /etc/apt/sources.list [07:38] what's that give you? [07:40] <_joey> # deb cdrom:[Lubuntu 13.10 _Saucy Salamander_ - Release i386 (20131016.1)]/ saucy main multiverse restricted universe [07:41] so you upgraded from 13.10 to 14.04 [07:41] <_joey> a while ago [07:41] which makes it interesting that you're marked lts [07:42] !dist-upgrade | _joey [07:42] _joey: A dist-upgrade will install new dependencies for packages already installed and may remove packages if they are no longer needed. This will not bring you to a new release of Ubuntu, see !upgrade if that is your intention. [07:43] furthermore http://www.ghacks.net/2010/03/11/what-is-it-with-the-dist-upgrade-option-of-apt-get/ [07:43] <_joey> ubottu: I upgraded from 13.10 to 14.04 using apt-get dist-upgrade [07:43] _joey: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [07:43] which suggests that, like rww said, you can use dist-upgrade as a first step to change distro versions [07:43] however, this would require you manually editing a configuration file. one that's more than one line. [07:43] you think you did that? [07:44] and that process isn't officially supported. [07:44] <_joey> I didn't do anything other than apt-get dist-upgrade [07:44] anywho [07:44] you got your answer to your dilemma or do you need further help? [07:45] <_joey> GUI does not upgrade to new release either [07:45] <_joey> wxl I already thanked you [07:46] <_joey> but i am not editing configuration manually [07:46] _joey: oh missed that. so you're good? [07:46] <_joey> the system should not be upgraded this way normally [07:47] <_joey> is there a manual for lubuntu on upgrading the system? [07:47] ok [07:48] i got your solution [07:48] in the software preferences or whatever it's called (you can get to it by running update-manager and then clicking on settings) under the "updates" tab make sure the notify of a new version selection shows "any new ubuntu release" and not LTS [07:48] that will edit the configuration file for you [07:52] <_joey> that seems to be working :) [07:52] <_joey> groovy [07:53] <_joey> what's new in 14.10 by the way? [07:53] read the release notes [07:53] basically: not much [07:53] <_joey> where? [07:53] !utopic | _joey [07:53] _joey: Ubuntu 14.10 (Utopic Unicorn) is the current release of Ubuntu. Download at http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.10 - Read the release notes at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseNotes [07:54] if you add /Lubuntu to that last url, you'll go right where you need to [07:54] <_joey> okay [07:55] alright now that you're good i'm going to bed [07:55] if you have further problems, there's always mean old rww :) [07:56] I prefer the label "curmudgeon" [07:56] <_joey> thanks [07:56] :) [07:56] <_joey> good night wxl [07:56] have a nice night folks === yofel_ is now known as yofel [15:05] Hey guys, whats best dock for lubuntu? I tried cairo-dock but its pretty bad imo. [18:06] Is lubuntu-core just a metapaxkage? [18:08] !info lubuntu-core [18:08] lubuntu-core (source: lubuntu-meta): Lubuntu Desktop environment - minimal installation. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.55 (utopic), package size 3 kB, installed size 31 kB (Only available for i386; amd64; powerpc; armhf) [18:09] So i can remove it without problems? [18:09] zy3pD_m: i would set it for removal, and look and see if anything else is being removed, or, elaboarate as to what it is you are trying to do.. i cant guarantee "without problems" without more detail.. [18:11] I want to remove anacron and anacron is part of lubuntu-core [18:11] No problems [18:13] i would say, if you remove something, and it wants to remove just that meta-package, you should have no problems.. if an update tries to bring them both back or whatever later, that might be fiddly [18:20] zy3pD_m: the meta-package is just a list of files to install. The only time you may want it back is when you do a dist-upgrade as it holds the list of what to upgrade. [18:23] So there are normally no updates for metapackages phillw? [18:23] zy3pD_m: it is an 'admin' list... let me go look it up.. [18:24] zy3pD_m: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MetaPackages [18:25] lubuntu has two meta packages, desktop and core... you may want to use core and then build on that, rather than delete stuff? [18:26] zy3pD_m: as always, it is the users' choice :) [18:27] I just deleted anacron and that is part of core :-) [18:27] Because i dont need it [18:36] zy3pD_m2: your computer is yours :) [19:32] howdy [19:32] I'm looking for a mouse cursor theme that has a state showing when a program is loading [19:34] anyone have any suggestions? [19:43] no one? [20:40] I managed to install a mouse theme via 'customize look and feel' but the program loading icon doesn't appear in the theme [20:42] how did you try to install the mouse theme [20:47] I installed a theme from a .tar.gz file [20:47] http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Ubuntaero+-+Aero+based+w%2B+animated+logo?content=108598 [20:47] this theme [20:48] I want a theme with the capability to show a different cursor when a program's loading a la windows hourglass [20:48] what theme it is does not matter [20:48] ah so it is not a package [20:49] if a packaged theme could do that, I'd install one [20:49] but I dunno if it can [20:50] did the install button pop up a file manager to select it? [20:50] when I clicked install in 'customize look and feel' it went to a file manager-y screen, yes [20:50] the theme .tar.gz file was there so I picked it [20:51] after I picked it and clicked open, the program crashed [20:51] when I reopened it the theme was there but missing the program loading cursor [20:55] try logging out and logging in again if you have not [20:55] it needs that to reload the cursor of a new session [20:56] I have [20:56] lxappearance doesn't recognize the program loading cursor - it doesn't show up in the theme [20:57] I am not sure it is lxappearnce [20:57] when I start lxappearance via run it opens customize look and feel [20:58] yes that is what should happen [20:59] does it show up if you press control alt D to launch something via keyboard [20:59] as that is a keyboard shortcut that has startup notify [20:59] nope [21:03] hmm I am not sure then [21:04] linux: where installing your os takes 10 minutes and making the mouse work right takes one hour thirty minutes and counting [21:04] eheheh [21:19] Kubius: if you want to see a animated-mouse-curser, you should think about using windows. There are some desktops, that tried to implement that, for example there is such an animation in some kde-versions for starting kde-programs. [21:24] I do use windows for my main PC [21:24] because some things just dun' run on linux [21:24] I put linux on my netbook because it has super low specs [21:29] Kubius: the desktop-starter-entries (named *.desktop - the line: StartupNotify=true) have entries to enable an animationeffekt but this depends on the used desktop-system in linux and there are different ones. I never used this and wont use it, because the way i start programs is most times not out of the menusystem with such desktop-starters.