| aquarius | ralsina, ping | 00:47 |
|---|---|---|
| aquarius | or possibly chipaca, ping :) | 00:47 |
| aquarius | jdstrand, ping about app armor templates | 00:50 |
| aquarius | unping, everyone. :) | 00:51 |
| half_mast | Does anyone knows when or if the 14.10 devel channel is getting a system update? | 01:21 |
| pdxwebdev | dobey: A while ago I asked about how to add a system indicator and you advised against it. Good call, it wasn't necessary. Thanks for your feedback on that. | 02:03 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: restart ubuntu-push-client | 02:04 |
| aquarius | ah, it's upstart, I wasn't sure :) | 02:04 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: let me say you shouldn't have to do that, and i don't know what is going on, but it's friday and i'm tired so let's jfdi :) | 02:04 |
| * aquarius grins | 02:04 | |
| aquarius | cheers for being up | 02:04 |
| Chipaca | no worries; this is interesting | 02:04 |
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| aquarius | ahahahaha!! | 02:05 |
| aquarius | and all my notifications arrive! | 02:06 |
| Chipaca | __lucio__: ^ | 02:06 |
| aquarius | so, the push-client got confused somehow and stopped talking to the server. | 02:06 |
| aquarius | it wans't dead; the process was there | 02:06 |
| __lucio__ | friday night guys, really? :) | 02:06 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: yes. i want the whole log | 02:06 |
| aquarius | __lucio__, I know. I am *that* boring. :) | 02:06 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: you stopped getting pings, something really weird was going on. pedronis-grade weird :) | 02:06 |
| aquarius | ok, extra credit question: how do I get files off the device? | 02:06 |
| Chipaca | so gimme those sweet logs :) | 02:06 |
| __lucio__ | aquarius, i am coding too! i said "no one is going to interrupt me on friday night!") | 02:07 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: adb pull | 02:07 |
| * aquarius laughs | 02:07 | |
| popey | mtp | 02:07 |
| Chipaca | popey: in the emulator? that works? | 02:07 |
| aquarius | ok, uploading whole log file to bug report | 02:08 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: tks | 02:08 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: let me check it, i might also want the .1 or .2 logs | 02:08 |
| popey | oh | 02:08 |
| popey | sorry, missed that bit | 02:08 |
| Chipaca | popey: i don't think it was mentioned in this channel | 02:08 |
| __lucio__ | aquarius, and you know you have network in the device, right? | 02:08 |
| Chipaca | __lucio__: emulator, so a bit weird | 02:09 |
| Chipaca | sergiusens: how weird is networking on the emulator these days? | 02:09 |
| aquarius | __lucio__, yep -- first, I checked that the browser worked, and second, once I restarted ubuntu-push-client all my messages arrived | 02:09 |
| aquarius | full push client log added to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-push/+bug/1390663 | 02:09 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1390663 in Ubuntu Push Notifications "Push notifications never seem to arrive" [Undecided,New] | 02:09 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: can you greo "dialed in" in the .1 and .2 logs, and upload from whatever first matches that on up? | 02:10 |
| __lucio__ | Chipaca, can we infer network manager status from the logs? | 02:10 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: because the .log starts int he middel of things | 02:10 |
| * Chipaca wonders how much more time his fingers are going to work today | 02:10 | |
| aquarius | will upload whole list | 02:10 |
| Chipaca | __lucio__: yes, we can | 02:10 |
| __lucio__ | cool | 02:10 |
| Chipaca | __lucio__: in fact, that's one of the things that's missing: there are no connectivity checks (=> push thinks you're offline) | 02:11 |
| Chipaca | __lucio__: the other thing that's missing are pings | 02:11 |
| aquarius | I can upload the whole of the .1, .2, etc if that helps | 02:11 |
| aquarius | dialed-in search added to bug report | 02:12 |
| aquarius | popey, I imagine that someone very clever could probably mtp into the emulator, but it would be a ton of work for not much benefit :) adb works | 02:12 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: um.. sorry for misunderstanding, I didn't need the "dialed in" output; "dialed in" grep is push starting up, so you grep for that and give me logs from there on, i get the whole session | 02:12 |
| aquarius | oh, OK, I shall upload them all, it's easier, then you can get what you want :) | 02:13 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: fair :) | 02:13 |
| popey | aquarius: samba support in the file manager would also be neat ☻ | 02:13 |
| Chipaca | nfs on the phone \o/ | 02:13 |
| * Chipaca hides | 02:13 | |
| aquarius | popey, ooh, yeah, the file manager is unconfined, isn't it? | 02:14 |
| popey | i have a friend who used nfs on a nokia 6600 | 02:14 |
| popey | ~8 years ago | 02:14 |
| popey | yes | 02:14 |
| aquarius | an unconfined webdav server app on the phone would be very sweet, and not hard, but I can't write unconfined apps :) | 02:14 |
| popey | he also had a nice bluetooth daemon on his pc which would detect his phone when he came home and connect over nfs, pull the photos off and automagically upload them to the internet | 02:15 |
| aquarius | Chipaca, moar logs added to bug report. If you need .3 as well, let me know | 02:15 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: checking | 02:15 |
| popey | you can _write_ them | 02:15 |
| aquarius | popey, that's pretty cool, the bt thing | 02:15 |
| Chipaca | __lucio__: 2014/11/06 16:56:09.970335 DEBUG got state: Connecting | 02:16 |
| Chipaca | 2014/11/06 16:56:09.979968 DEBUG got state: Connected Global | 02:16 |
| Chipaca | 2014/11/06 16:56:09.980252 DEBUG State changed to Connecting. Assuming disconnect. | 02:16 |
| aquarius | popey, in theory. In practice, I'm not allowed to write python apps either ;) | 02:16 |
| Chipaca | __lucio__: that's NM events in the log, fwiw | 02:16 |
| aquarius | Chipaca, nah. that was two days ago | 02:16 |
| __lucio__ | and then, and then | 02:16 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: yes, just showing lucio that we do see nm events | 02:16 |
| aquarius | oh right :) | 02:16 |
| aquarius | I promise the emulator has not been up and running for the last two days | 02:16 |
| Chipaca | 2014/11/08 00:28:28.946657 INFO "com.ubuntu.PushNotifications" dialed in. | 02:16 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: that sound about right? | 02:17 |
| aquarius | yep, that's when I started this hacking session and started the emulator | 02:17 |
| aquarius | folder for this little app was created at 00.29 | 02:17 |
| popey | haha, just found picture of me on his blog http://www.matthewgrove.co.uk/moblog/2005/02/ | 02:17 |
| popey | from fosdem 2005 | 02:18 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: the trouble started just after you registered | 02:18 |
| Chipaca | device got a network hiccup or sth | 02:18 |
| Chipaca | lost connection to server | 02:18 |
| Chipaca | nm went to "connecting" | 02:18 |
| Chipaca | never left connecting | 02:18 |
| aquarius | huh. I just sent a message and it arrived (showed in the logs) | 02:19 |
| aquarius | but then I sent the same message again and it did not arrive. | 02:19 |
| aquarius | and again and it did not arrive, again | 02:19 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: if you send them in order, you'll get them in order | 02:20 |
| Chipaca | fwiw | 02:20 |
| aquarius | is there a message deduper? | 02:20 |
| Chipaca | no | 02:20 |
| aquarius | ok. the client is now in hung state again | 02:20 |
| Chipaca | sigh | 02:20 |
| Chipaca | logs again? | 02:20 |
| aquarius | I sent the same message 3 times, and the first one arrived | 02:20 |
| Chipaca | and then? | 02:20 |
| aquarius | and then nothing more about messages | 02:21 |
| Chipaca | in the logs i mean :) | 02:21 |
| aquarius | http://paste.ubuntu.com/8876370/ | 02:21 |
| aquarius | see the first message arrived at 02.17 | 02:21 |
| aquarius | and then the latter two have not | 02:21 |
| Chipaca | you've disconnected again :( | 02:23 |
| aquarius | I imagine that if I restart the push client I will get them, but if there's any useful info I can provide with it in this state, say the word :) | 02:23 |
| Chipaca | there should be a ping somewhere in those 5 minutes of logs | 02:23 |
| aquarius | no ping; nothing since 02:19 | 02:23 |
| Chipaca | man, that's very annoying | 02:24 |
| aquarius | ya, so it's getting disconnected somehow | 02:24 |
| Chipaca | wait | 02:24 |
| Chipaca | sorry, there's a ping right there | 02:24 |
| Chipaca | it's really late :) | 02:24 |
| aquarius | there's one at 02:16 | 02:24 |
| aquarius | there hasn't been one since | 02:24 |
| Chipaca | yep, so next one is at 02:21 | 02:24 |
| Chipaca | ah | 02:24 |
| aquarius | nope, no ping | 02:25 |
| aquarius | I've just got the 02:24 wakeup | 02:25 |
| aquarius | but no ping since 02:16 | 02:25 |
| aquarius | so it's not pinging | 02:25 |
| Chipaca | ok, so several things are broken :) | 02:25 |
| * Chipaca wonders what he's smiling about | 02:25 | |
| aquarius | no NM things in the log, though, so I guess that it is trying to ping and the response never comes back or something? | 02:25 |
| Chipaca | OTOH something is causing the connection to die | 02:25 |
| Chipaca | the ping is server-initiated | 02:26 |
| Chipaca | OT*O*H, we're not dropping the connection as quickly as i'd expect | 02:26 |
| Chipaca | we should drop it at ping time + connection delay time | 02:26 |
| Chipaca | whcih is ... | 02:26 |
| * Chipaca checks the config | 02:26 | |
| Chipaca | should drop the connection at 300s + 20s + 2*30s | 02:27 |
| Chipaca | or sth like that | 02:27 |
| Chipaca | need to chase that up tomorrow | 02:27 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: get an ubuntu phone already, the emulator sucks :-p | 02:28 |
| aquarius | :) | 02:28 |
| aquarius | I had one but my daughter's got it. | 02:28 |
| aquarius | if this is honestly an emulator problem, I'm basically OK with restarting the push client all the time when testing | 02:28 |
| Chipaca | At least one part of it isn't (the second part about it not dropping the connection) | 02:29 |
| aquarius | ok. Is there anything I can do to a client in this hung state to ask it what the problem was? | 02:29 |
| Chipaca | but the thing of network manager being silly, probably is (sergiusens might know more). and the thing about the network being silly certainly is :) | 02:29 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: to the push client you mean? | 02:30 |
| aquarius | Chipaca, yep | 02:30 |
| aquarius | if there isn't, I'll just restart it every time this happens | 02:30 |
| aquarius | but if there is, I'm happy to do it and give you the information it spits out | 02:31 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: that's part of the bug; it's supposed to realise on its own and at least log "yo, no connection yo" | 02:31 |
| aquarius | ah | 02:31 |
| aquarius | it has not done so ;) | 02:31 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: so i'll be fixing that one tomorrow | 02:31 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: might poke you to test, if you're still around | 02:31 |
| aquarius | I'm not tomorrow, but should be Sunday and during the week next week | 02:31 |
| Chipaca | sunday wfm | 02:32 |
| Chipaca | and next week too :) | 02:32 |
| Chipaca | ok | 02:32 |
| aquarius | yep. Restarted push client: got all the messages. | 02:32 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: oh | 02:32 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: one thing you could try is frobbing flight mode | 02:33 |
| Chipaca | not sure it'll work on the emulator, but worth a shot | 02:33 |
| aquarius | hm | 02:33 |
| aquarius | I wonder if it has anything to do with switching apps? | 02:33 |
| aquarius | I switched to another app to see if the notification stuff worked | 02:33 |
| aquarius | and I got a whole bunch of 2014/11/08 02:32:02.825620 DEBUG State changed to Connecting. Assuming disconnect. | 02:33 |
| Chipaca | wat | 02:34 |
| aquarius | frobbing flight mode puts nothing in the logs | 02:34 |
| Chipaca | switching apps sets it to connecting | 02:34 |
| Chipaca | wat | 02:34 |
| aquarius | ok. switched to differnet app and restarted hung push client, and i got notifications | 02:35 |
| aquarius | and I send new ones and they work | 02:35 |
| aquarius | Now I will use the app switcher | 02:35 |
| aquarius | nope. Must have been coincident | 02:36 |
| aquarius | all works now, regardless of switching. | 02:36 |
| aquarius | so, something is causing it to lose the connection and not care. We shall test more later. CHeers, pal: it works! modulo this bug, you should all be dead proud | 02:37 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: one thing you could do | 02:38 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: is use gdbus to throw the nm signal | 02:38 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: or just restart it :) | 02:38 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: i'm dead proud even *with* this bug :) | 02:39 |
| __lucio__ | weird | 02:39 |
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| aquarius | if you want to produce a blimey-this-logs-absolutely-*everything* version of push-client and I can install it easily in the emulator, I'm happy to | 02:40 |
| aquarius | but not now, because it's nearly 3am and I have to be at a conf in six hours ;) | 02:40 |
| aquarius | Chipaca, __lucio__, popey, thank you! | 02:40 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: o/! | 02:41 |
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| nimmersatt | hey i've got a question: how many (useful) apps are there for ubuntu touch and is there an ecosystem growing? | 19:13 |
| nimmersatt | and will ubuntu touch be awesome? | 19:15 |
| popey | nimmersatt: over 500, ys, yes | 19:15 |
| popey | *yes | 19:15 |
| nimmersatt | okay thanks | 19:17 |
| nimmersatt | how about android apps, are they easy to port or to bridgr or anything | 19:18 |
| nimmersatt | emulate | 19:21 |
| nimmersatt | copy | 19:21 |
| wolflarson | popeey! | 19:50 |
| wolflarson | popey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 19:50 |
| popey | wolflarson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 19:50 |
| wolflarson | what are you doing on the internet? | 19:50 |
| wolflarson | I thought you lived in the "real world" | 19:50 |
| popey | kittens | 19:50 |
| wolflarson | ah | 19:50 |
| popey | just about to close laptop for doctor who | 19:51 |
| wolflarson | lolz | 19:51 |
| wolflarson | is there a new season out? | 19:51 |
| popey | end of season ep tonight ☻ | 19:51 |
| wolflarson | is the doctor's assistant an attractive female this season? | 19:52 |
| popey | depends who you ask | 19:54 |
| popey | i think so | 19:54 |
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